PNP clarification please

[Kergan]

Here is the situation:

A group of 6 people are leveling in SolA:
25 warrior
25 rogue
28 enchanter
27 monk
29 wizard
30 cleric

Things are going well until an SK zones in and attacks the cleric. The SK is only in range to the cleric, and kills him. Upon zoning back in, the SK tells the cleric to LNS. Fearing punishment, the cleric leaves the zone and the exp group disbands as they cannot continue without a healer.

So my question is, does the cleric have to LNS, or does the fact the group is still there allow the cleric to stay? If allowed to stay, can the SK continue to attack or would that be considered griefing?

[Tassador]

Possible troll post as there is only 1 maybe 2 low level groups going on ever on this server.

[Kergan]

Although the information has been altered to protect the innocent, this situation did indeed happen and this is not a troll post.

[Elderan]

Here is the situation:

A group of 6 people are leveling in SolA:
25 warrior
25 rogue
28 enchanter
27 monk
29 wizard
30 cleric

Things are going well until an SK zones in and attacks the cleric. The SK is only in range to the cleric, and kills him. Upon zoning back in, the SK tells the cleric to LNS. Fearing punishment, the cleric leaves the zone and the exp group disbands as they cannot continue without a healer.

So my question is, does the cleric have to LNS, or does the fact the group is still there allow the cleric to stay? If allowed to stay, can the SK continue to attack or would that be considered griefing?

Sadly due to the new rules the cleric must LNS while the SK is still in the zone for 1 hour.

[HippoNipple]

If the SK is chilling in that zone and claims it as his the cleric has to leave for the full hour.

If PnP wasn't in play the SK would corpse camp the cleric while the rest of the group watched over and over again.

What is your point with this dumb question?

[heartbrand]

Sadly due to the new rules the cleric must LNS while the SK is still in the zone for 1 hour.

Interesting, because Weta justified the multiple Nilly rezzed in who didn't immediately scoot @ DL battle due to "zone control."

[Kergan]

Don't shit up my thread.

It was a legitimate question.

And in this case the healer did in fact leave and the group disbanded, rules were followed and no suspensions were issued. RIP lowbie exp group.

[Kergan]

Interesting, because Weta justified the multiple Nilly rezzed in who didn't immediately scoot @ DL battle due to "zone control."

I dunno, kind of a gray area yeah? Since the other players couldn't attack the SK you can't really establish control one way or the other.

[Elderan]

Interesting, because Weta justified the multiple Nilly rezzed in who didn't immediately scoot @ DL battle due to "zone control."

Actually heck if I know at this point. The OOR thing makes this situation weird.

One reason these new rules are terrible. Whoever wrote them has clearly never worked in a professional environment where detail is needed and required to fill in possible holes before putting something like this into place.

[Tassador]

Friendly reminder this is Everquest not Iraq

[HippoNipple]

Don't shit up my thread.

It was a legitimate question.

And in this case the healer did in fact leave and the group disbanded, rules were followed and no suspensions were issued. RIP lowbie exp group.

Why would the lowbie exp group be any different if there was no PnP policy and the SK didn't want them there?

You do realize that the cleric can ask the SK if it is okay for him to stay and the exp group can continue.

The PnP is to protect the person who gets killed and that is it. If the victor wants to let them stay he can. If he didn't want him to stay he can tell him to leave or in the old system corpse camp him.

[chu]

cleric should uninstall while the rest of the group just watches

[Kergan]

Why would the lowbie exp group be any different if there was no PnP policy and the SK didn't want them there?

You do realize that the cleric can ask the SK if it is okay for him to stay and the exp group can continue.

The PnP is to protect the person who gets killed and that is it. If the victor wants to let them stay he can. If he didn't want him to stay he can tell him to leave or in the old system corpse camp him.

When did I ask what would happen without the PNP exactly? I simply asked for clarification on the PNP and you have made multiple posts telling me what would happen without the PNP. Seriously stop shitting up my thread with your propaganda. Are you that scared whenever a post that outlines a possible gray area/flaw with the PNP pops up that you must immediately take a giant dump on it?

[mcappy]

Why would the lowbie exp group be any different if there was no PnP policy and the SK didn't want them there?

You do realize that the cleric can ask the SK if it is okay for him to stay and the exp group can continue.

The PnP is to protect the person who gets killed and that is it. If the victor wants to let them stay he can. If he didn't want him to stay he can tell him to leave or in the old system corpse camp him.

Stupid logic.

What if someone else in the group WAS in range and made the SK run? Is the cleric just supposed to leave (essentially disbanding the group) because the SK is allowed to force LNS on them?

Killing one person in a group of 6 does not equal zone or camp control. I'm fairly certain it's already been established that someone who dies can return if their group was able to win the fight.

The question was how the PnP rules are enacted when level range makes it impossible for the rest of the group to fight back. If everyone was in range, it'd be an easy answer. But of course, these wonderful policies have all sorts of gray or entirely blank areas that didn't take into account leveling players (you know, the people that we'll need to stick around if we want the server population to rise).

[HippoNipple]

When did I ask what would happen without the PNP exactly? I simply asked for clarification on the PNP and you have made multiple posts telling me what would happen without the PNP. Seriously stop shitting up my thread with your propaganda. Are you that scared whenever a post that outlines a possible gray area/flaw with the PNP pops up that you must immediately take a giant dump on it?

I answered your question and addressed your concern of how PnP was hurting the server. Allowing you to see how it would have played out the same with either system should put your mind at ease.

[HippoNipple]

Stupid logic.

What if someone else in the group WAS in range and made the SK run? Is the cleric just supposed to leave (essentially disbanding the group) because the SK is allowed to force LNS on them?

Killing one person in a group of 6 does not equal zone or camp control. I'm fairly certain it's already been established that someone who dies can return if their group was able to win the fight.

The question was how the PnP rules are enacted when level range makes it impossible for the rest of the group to fight back. If everyone was in range, it'd be an easy answer. But of course, these wonderful policies have all sorts of gray or entirely blank areas that didn't take into account leveling players (you know, the people that we'll need to stick around if we want the server population to rise).

If a group of 2 people attack 1 person and people die on both sides the victory goes to the team with someone still standing. In this case it is a 1 v 1 and the loser would need to leave if the victor forced it.

Very clear rules being muddied up by manipulative people or those with a learning disability.

The only rules I see in question that has good reason to needing a makeover is LnS policy in the middle of a mass fight. I am all for just not allowing it until a clear victor has won the fight and claimed control of a zone. The only issue is once one zone is under control how do you address looting and moving to the next zone which then becomes the new focus of contention. The zone dance is tough to police.

[meatspin]

Cleric has to LNS. Refusing to LNS should = ban. Easy answer. The OOR people make no difference in this example.

[meatspin]

And for the people who argue that ruins 5 other players day, it wouldn't even be ruining the exp group. If they want to stick with cleric just go to another dungeon...

[HippoNipple]

Cleric has to LNS. Refusing to LNS should = ban. Easy answer. The OOR people make no difference in this example.

Unless the cleric asks the SK for permission to stay in zone and lvl peacefully. In reality this exact same situation would have happened in the past. Why would a cleric want to stay if he was going to be beaten down on continuously.

On the positive the Cleric can move to another zone and level with his group if the SK won't let them stay.

AND

The SK may have won over a spawn it wanted and continue to camp uncontested from a mad bind rushing cleric for an hour before he must once again compete over if the Cleric wishes to challenge.

[maverixdamighty]

Here is the situation:

A group of 6 people are leveling in SolA:
25 warrior
25 rogue
28 enchanter
27 monk
29 wizard
30 cleric

Things are going well until an SK zones in and attacks the cleric. The SK is only in range to the cleric, and kills him. Upon zoning back in, the SK tells the cleric to LNS. Fearing punishment, the cleric leaves the zone and the exp group disbands as they cannot continue without a healer.

So my question is, does the cleric have to LNS, or does the fact the group is still there allow the cleric to stay? If allowed to stay, can the SK continue to attack or would that be considered griefing?

If the SK leaves the zone he loses the right to ask the cleric to abide by the LNS rules or that's how i always interpreted them. You don't just port around clearing zones and expecting people to not come back for an hour.

alternative for the group would be /ooc full group of noobs leveling up needs a post to a better exp location due to LNS rules. i'm sure a friendly porter would oblige, but i get the point of your OP.

[Tubzy]

I'm kind of confused on this stuff too. Here's some questions I have:

1. Can someone just follow you while you're LNSing and kill you in the next zone and then the next zone and basically get you banned from multiple zones + still corpse camp you?

2. WHat if you're binded to a zone that you got in with help from others and can't get out without dying what do you do?

3. Can you gate or self buff or ANYTHING at all or is walking away the only way to not get killed again?

4. If someone has multiple alts and you kill him and make him LNS and he just logs on other alts to keep fighting you you just have to beat him 5x and if he beats you even once and you have no alts you gotta bounce?

5. Already asked but if someone just logs on once an hour to kill you and then logs off because they just want to grief you and keep you out of a zone for the lulz do you still have to abide by the rules?

It seems to me there is a lot of ways to still not play nice in the play nice policies. There's even ways to grief people harder than ever before. Although it makes raiding a lot simpler it seems to open the doors for lowbies to get griefed extra hard by twinks.

[Elderan]

1. Can someone just follow you while you're LNSing and kill you in the next zone and then the next zone and basically get you banned from multiple zones + still corpse camp you?

This in fact true. As soon as you leave the LNS zone you are free game.

2. WHat if you're binded to a zone that you got in with help from others and can't get out without dying what do you do?

You must camp then.

3. Can you gate or self buff or ANYTHING at all or is walking away the only way to not get killed again?

Gate is allowed. You are not supposed to buff yourself, but I think most people would be ok with sowing yourself.

4. If someone has multiple alts and you kill him and make him LNS and he just logs on other alts to keep fighting you you just have to beat him 5x and if he beats you even once and you have no alts you gotta bounce?

Yes, alts are not on the LNS.

5. Already asked but if someone just logs on once an hour to kill you and then logs off because they just want to grief you and keep you out of a zone for the lulz do you still have to abide by the rules?

If that person logs off then you can remain in the zone. But yes they can log in once an hour and kill you.

[meatspin]

Gate is allowed. You are not supposed to buff yourself, but I think most people would be ok with sowing yourself.




Gating would be fine, buffing and medding would make me think you were trying to be aggressive to the person who killed you. Especially when your corpse is right next to the zoneline. Loot your corpse and get out

[Goobles]

Don't shit up my thread.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/RiddlN/shitting.jpg

[Kergan]

I answered your question and addressed your concern of how PnP was hurting the server. Allowing you to see how it would have played out the same with either system should put your mind at ease.

Where exactly did I express concern that PNP was hurting the server? I very simply asked for clarification of the PNP rules. You are drawing conclusions based on your own biased agenda. The fact of the matter is the cleric in this case who was a legitimate new player didn't even know about the PNP and after reading them he still wasn't sure how to act.

Seriously, I know you guys are being told by your handlers to do this but if you are going to answer a simple question by spewing propaganda just stay out of the thread so we can have a meaningful conversation ok?

[Kergan]

If the SK leaves the zone he loses the right to ask the cleric to abide by the LNS rules or that's how i always interpreted them. You don't just port around clearing zones and expecting people to not come back for an hour.

alternative for the group would be /ooc full group of noobs leveling up needs a post to a better exp location due to LNS rules. i'm sure a friendly porter would oblige, but i get the point of your OP.

So does being able to force LNS expire immediately upon the SK zoning out, or is there a timer, does he have to verbally relinquish it, etc?

[maverixdamighty]

So does being able to force LNS expire immediately upon the SK zoning out, or is there a timer, does he have to verbally relinquish it, etc?

IMO yes, in that situation, immediately upon zoning he would relinquish his right to enforce the LNS without verbally saying it. If the cleric stays in the zone though the SK could zone back in and repeatedly do the same thing without it being a violation.

This would not be my position for mass pvp that happens in multiple zones due to fighting at a zone line, making that clear.

[HippoNipple]

Where exactly did I express concern that PNP was hurting the server? I very simply asked for clarification of the PNP rules. You are drawing conclusions based on your own biased agenda. The fact of the matter is the cleric in this case who was a legitimate new player didn't even know about the PNP and after reading them he still wasn't sure how to act.

Seriously, I know you guys are being told by your handlers to do this but if you are going to answer a simple question by spewing propaganda just stay out of the thread so we can have a meaningful conversation ok?

Oh goodie, conspiracy theories of mass underground organization for the PnP movement!

If it was a random person asking it would be different but your previous posts do follow you. You won't escape your reputation that easy scum.

[HippoNipple]

IMO yes, in that situation, immediately upon zoning he would relinquish his right to enforce the LNS without verbally saying it. If the cleric stays in the zone though the SK could zone back in and repeatedly do the same thing without it being a violation.

This would not be my position for mass pvp that happens in multiple zones due to fighting at a zone line, making that clear.

Mass PvP LnS and zone jumping is the biggest issue by far and needs some clarification. I know how I would urge my guildies to act if I was in power but that isn't the case and there is no clear ruling on this from the GMs. This sort of issue would be best discussed by leaders of RD, Azrael and Nihilum because opinions will differ across the server. We need the leaders to make a decision and guildies would then be expected to respect their leader's decision.

[Kergan]

Oh goodie, conspiracy theories of mass underground organization for the PnP movement!

If it was a random person asking it would be different but your previous posts do follow you. You won't escape your reputation that easy scum.

I'm just fine with my reputation. I have tried multiple times to create threads/posts containing constructive feedback and on each occasion the thread has turned to shit. I expressed 0 opinion in the original post in this thread either, leaving it up for discussion based purely on a real situation that occurred a few days ago.

I will say you have mixed in some actual responses in between putting words into my mouth, if you could just focus on the meaningful part of your posts and leave out the bullshit then we'd be in a good place.

[Kergan]

IMO yes, in that situation, immediately upon zoning he would relinquish his right to enforce the LNS without verbally saying it. If the cleric stays in the zone though the SK could zone back in and repeatedly do the same thing without it being a violation.

This would not be my position for mass pvp that happens in multiple zones due to fighting at a zone line, making that clear.

Playing the devils advocate here...

SK gets mob agro while fighting the cleric, zones out to clear agro. Zones back in 30 seconds later. Can he kill the cleric again? Was the ability to force LNS relinquished or no?

[maverixdamighty]

Playing the devils advocate here...

SK gets mob agro while fighting the cleric, zones out to clear agro. Zones back in 30 seconds later. Can he kill the cleric again? Was the ability to force LNS relinquished or no?

if he's in the zone before the cleric comes back I would argue he still maintains zone control, so the cleric would have to LNS or come to an agreement with the SK to stay and be left alone. it would seem to me to just be griefing and a waste of time on his part to just sit in the zone to make sure the cleric doesn't get to stay though, but that's their choice.

If he zones out and has no intentions of coming back then I would say he relinqueshes the zone control and the cleric should not have to LnS.

[Nizzarr]

LOL @ rules. 4 pages and still nobody knows what the fuck is going on

[Kergan]

LOL @ rules. 4 pages and still nobody knows what the fuck is going on

:)

[runlvlzero]

Rules state:

We are the GM's and owners of this server and the database. At our discretion we can do what we want. Be nice to each other.

RD continues to be huge <Full Retards>.

Nili tries to fathom wtf is going on and be a bit professional about it.

[maverixdamighty]

Rules state:

We are the GM's and owners of this server and the database. At our discretion we can do what we want. Be nice to each other.

RD continues to be huge <Full Retards>.

Nili tries to fathom wtf is going on and be a bit professional about it.

yet the staff that you say has control keeps banning one group and not the other...doesn't sound like you have a bias or agenda at all...

[Pudge]

If he's back in the zone before the cleric comes for his corpse, the the cleric must still lns (within 1 hour of time of death). After the cleric has looted, if he leaves for even 30 seconds he relinquishes zone control. Leaving for any reason = you lost the zone.

Except getting trained. If he was trained, then he does not. Also if you go LD and come back quickly I'd say you should not.

[chu]

what if its leapyear?
what if you log quickly to scratch a genital itch but then come back after 45 seconds?

[maverixdamighty]

what if its leapyear?
what if you log quickly to scratch a genital itch but then come back after 45 seconds?

banned.

[Kergan]

If he's back in the zone before the cleric comes for his corpse, the the cleric must still lns (within 1 hour of time of death). After the cleric has looted, if he leaves for even 30 seconds he relinquishes zone control. Leaving for any reason = you lost the zone.

Except getting trained. If he was trained, then he does not. Also if you go LD and come back quickly I'd say you should not.

So is quickly 30 seconds? 2 minutes? 5 minutes?

[Pudge]

Well. I think when you go LD you're timed out for 2 minutes. So how about 3.

[HippoNipple]

LOL @ rules. 4 pages and still nobody knows what the fuck is going on

I do Nizzar. If you have any questions please PM me. Defaming the server and the rules our fine GMs have implemented only hurts the server and our community.

[Clark]

Possible troll post as there is only 1 maybe 2 low level groups going on ever on this server.

LOL

[Kergan]

I do Nizzar. If you have any questions please PM me. Defaming the server and the rules our fine GMs have implemented only hurts the server and our community.

If I were the staff I would be insulted by your posts. Your transparent and obvious attempts to turn this into Nihilum vs. Everyone + Staff are really sad. They are sad because they get in the way of improvement, which is what the RD charter claims to want.

If you want, prove me wrong by referencing either a post by a staff member or directly from the PNP to answer every question brought up in this thread in specifics. No gray area, no room for interpretation.

For example, show me where it explicitly defines if a winner in PVP can still dictate LNS if they go LD after the fight, and how long they have to return to the zone to establish zone control.

And when you can't do that, maybe then you will be willing to entertain the shocking idea that these rules are not perfect and need modifications.

[HippoNipple]

If I were the staff I would be insulted by your posts. Your transparent and obvious attempts to turn this into Nihilum vs. Everyone + Staff are really sad. They are sad because they get in the way of improvement, which is what the RD charter claims to want.

If you want, prove me wrong by referencing either a post by a staff member or directly from the PNP to answer every question brought up in this thread in specifics. No gray area, no room for interpretation.

For example, show me where it explicitly defines if a winner in PVP can still dictate LNS if they go LD after the fight, and how long they have to return to the zone to establish zone control.

And when you can't do that, maybe then you will be willing to entertain the shocking idea that these rules are not perfect and need modifications.

I refuse to speak to every runlvlzero running their mouth, trying to muddy the waters and bring down a system that has the potential to bring balance to this server. You have made it apparent that your opinion only echoes that of Nizzar's and his agenda of uncontested PvE.

I will educate your leader if he wishes to push forward and grow as a leader, but not in the public eye. I won't aid you in making a joke of this fine server and the GMs that donate their time to create a vision of the purest form of Everquest.

[chu]

above poster is spewing propaganda as usual
nothing to see here

[runlvlzero]

yet the staff that you say has control keeps banning one group and not the other...doesn't sound like you have a bias or agenda at all...

i am not /praising the staff in this situation, i'm just saying this is where it's gotten 2 and the whole purpose of the rules from their perspective

I'm not going to judge the staff, they don't want judgement, in these forums. They'll probably take criticism via PM. But I'm not gonna say I disagree 100% here either.

[HippoNipple]

above poster is spewing propaganda as usual
nothing to see here

Propaganda? This isn't an election the GMs do what they want.

You can handle the truth anyway you want to buddy.

[BeautBabeC]

It's not that complicated, some of you guys are being so fucking stupid. Play nice quit the bullshit. Is it this big of a deal to not corpse camp each other. These rules are here to stop the massive homo shit IMO we don't need to bring them up in every event. A big part of these rules are brought in because nihilum would get dkp for corpse camping and would actively try to corpse camp te opposition off the server. I'm sure the other side did things just as bad, I never had a problem with them doing anything to me so can't say for 100% what evils they did. I think these rules should only really apply to lower level twinks harassing people off the server, nihilum ccing for dkp or running people off the server, and to not zerging raids.

The people who corpse camp are just so fucked up, and people that bind rush can fuck off to. Rules are to get rid of these types of players. Why can't we all just be a little more respectful?

Writing on my phone sorry if it reads like shit

[Nizzarr]

we'd get dkp for corpse camping? news to me.

[chu]

i forced hundreds of players off the server pre-PNP
u think i should be banned?
i think they shoulda just played better NAMEEN

[Kergan]

It's not that complicated, some of you guys are being so fucking stupid. Play nice quit the bullshit. Is it this big of a deal to not corpse camp each other. These rules are here to stop the massive homo shit IMO we don't need to bring them up in every event. A big part of these rules are brought in because nihilum would get dkp for corpse camping and would actively try to corpse camp te opposition off the server. I'm sure the other side did things just as bad, I never had a problem with them doing anything to me so can't say for 100% what evils they did. I think these rules should only really apply to lower level twinks harassing people off the server, nihilum ccing for dkp or running people off the server, and to not zerging raids.

The people who corpse camp are just so fucked up, and people that bind rush can fuck off to. Rules are to get rid of these types of players. Why can't we all just be a little more respectful?

Writing on my phone sorry if it reads like shit

Yeah, so like punish the really bad offenders obviously griefing and don't create a system so bogged down with rules and bullshit that the constant rule lawyering and petitionquest becomes the focal point of pvp encounters?

I like the way you think.

[BeautBabeC]

we'd get dkp for corpse camping? news to me.

Oooh that's what they told should have done a fact check. What was the reason for nihilum members rampently corpse camping?

[HippoNipple]

It's not that complicated, some of you guys are being so fucking stupid. Play nice quit the bullshit. Is it this big of a deal to not corpse camp each other. These rules are here to stop the massive homo shit IMO we don't need to bring them up in every event. A big part of these rules are brought in because nihilum would get dkp for corpse camping and would actively try to corpse camp te opposition off the server. I'm sure the other side did things just as bad, I never had a problem with them doing anything to me so can't say for 100% what evils they did. I think these rules should only really apply to lower level twinks harassing people off the server, nihilum ccing for dkp or running people off the server, and to not zerging raids.

The people who corpse camp are just so fucked up, and people that bind rush can fuck off to. Rules are to get rid of these types of players. Why can't we all just be a little more respectful?

Writing on my phone sorry if it reads like shit

These current rules I believe are temporary until the guild leaders can figure it out. Blue is going through this same thing by having their raiding taken away. So instead of taking the raiding away the GMs are enforcing PvP rules.

Until Nizzar, HB and Lite can come up with a better solution I think these policies are here to stay. Sirken already made the comment that they are cleaning up blue and will soon make it over to Red to deal with us. This was just a temporary fix to give the GMs the power to clean the shit up until the big hitters make a final decision.

[Kergan]

Oooh that's what they told should have done a fact check. What was the reason for nihilum members rampently corpse camping?

RDs alliance with confirmed server scum, compromising every value they hold up high in nearly every thread with a multitude of propaganda posts.

The first RD vs Nihilum engagement was in PoF, Nihilum allowed LNS before it was a server rule and HB commented positively afterwards. When he realized his guild was going nowhere fighting both Nihilum and Azrael he decided to compromise his values and create an unholy alliance.

To be honest, probably a good decision by him though. Nearly every recruit in his guild is a newer player that has no idea the griefing PK alts like Mrbigs that they cursed leveling up are the people grouping with them now.

http://blog.1800baskets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/the-more-you-know1.jpg

[Kergan]

These current rules I believe are temporary until the guild leaders can figure it out. Blue is going through this same thing by having their raiding taken away. So instead of taking the raiding away the GMs are enforcing PvP rules.

Until Nizzar, HB and Lite can come up with a better solution I think these policies are here to stay. Sirken already made the comment that they are cleaning up blue and will soon make it over to Red to deal with us. This was just a temporary fix to give the GMs the power to clean the shit up until the big hitters make a final decision.

WHAT THE FUCK?!

This is literally the best post you've ever made.

[HippoNipple]

RDs alliance with confirmed server scum, compromising every value they hold up high in nearly every thread with a multitude of propaganda posts.

The first RD vs Nihilum engagement was in PoF, Nihilum allowed LNS before it was a server rule and HB commented positively afterwards. When he realized his guild was going nowhere fighting both Nihilum and Azrael he decided to compromise his values and create an unholy alliance.

To be honest, probably a good decision by him though. Nearly every recruit in his guild is a newer player that has no idea the griefing PK alts like Mrbigs that they cursed leveling up are the people grouping with them now.

http://blog.1800baskets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/the-more-you-know1.jpg

Strawman argument that doesn't deal with the issues. The server is trying to create a healthy environment where competition can thrive and you want to talk about some newbie PvP in Unrest 5 months ago and push a system that promotes 1 guild raiding content for the 3rd year uncontested with 0 PvP. Get outta here.

[Kergan]

Strawman argument that doesn't deal with the issues. The server is trying to create a healthy environment where competition can thrive and you want to talk about some newbie PvP in Unrest 5 months ago and push a system that promotes 1 guild raiding content for the 3rd year uncontested with 0 PvP. Get outta here.

Uh, what? Dude asked why Nihilum was CCing Red Dawn before the PNP was in place and I answered it. You make one good post and then go back to this shit again, just when I had hope for you.

[HippoNipple]

Uh, what? Dude asked why Nihilum was CCing Red Dawn before the PNP was in place and I answered it. You make one good post and then go back to this shit again, just when I had hope for you.

You try to put focus on the evils in Unrest while this servers real problem is at the top. Nizzar has always been the problem with this server. The current server rules force a zerg mentality and if the server rules don't change it needs a zerg run by someone that promotes server health.

People know that everyone they have to align with isn't perfect. The server is ultimately cut down the middle with two teams. It is the uniting of the tribes to defeat the evil that is Nizzar.

[BeautBabeC]

Uh, what? Dude asked why Nihilum was CCing Red Dawn before the PNP was in place and I answered it. You make one good post and then go back to this shit again, just when I had hope for you.

I never said RedDawn actually, was way before RDv.2 was even around. Seems like you don't understand what really fucked up shit went on this server. You scream propaganda at other people but what are you really trying to accomplish on the forums?

You have zero integrity as of joining Nihilum Kergan. Actions speak louder than words, I quit playing when I figured out Mrbigs was in Azrael and that we were allied with guys like phaedra.

HB holds up to his charter and has actively kicked high level players who could be helping him right now. Lets see anything from Nizzar that isn't shit talk, raiding, or RMTing.

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I think what Kergan was aiming for here was that if the PnP wasn't being used against the cleric to keep him from coming back, and using his group's healing/buffing/twitching whatever to defeat the SK and make him leave.. then the problem would solve itself.

Instead the SK is allowed to just say hey you can LNS but you have to leave the zone and you can't attack me or I'll have you suspended. This is completely counter to the way pvp servers should work. The cleric should have the right to come back, and push the SK out of the zone with his friends backing him.

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I think what Kergan was aiming for here was that if the PnP wasn't being used against the cleric to keep him from coming back, and using his group's healing/buffing/twitching whatever to defeat the SK and make him leave.. then the problem would solve itself.

Instead the SK is allowed to just say hey you can LNS but you have to leave the zone and you can't attack me or I'll have you suspended. This is completely counter to the way pvp servers should work. The cleric should have the right to come back, and push the SK out of the zone with his friends backing him.

Well that is one mans idea of the server but I guess it wasn't the devs idea. You lose you are out for an hour. If your friends can down the SK and claim victory over the zone you can come back. Pretty simple.

Being clever, quick and timely is also part of PvP, especially on Everquest. If you can defeat a group or foe that is more powerful than you then you get the benefits of it. Resulting to mindless bind rushing over and over again is what PnP is to avoid. Some like to bind rush, more don't. It isn't perfect for everyone.