Im confused

[aasch08]

I am a bit confused on what to do on this server. I am new to EQEmu in general and started off on the pvp server of project1999. I originally played on Rallos Zek as Abobo in Population Control.

I am fine with there being twink & general people being dicks, I was once like that and its just the way some people are.

What I dont understand is will I really get banned if I dont leave the zone once I'm PKd? For instance, I am a lvl 4 WE warrior, I got stream rolled by someone with a lamentation. This is fine & all until I was told I need to loot and scoot (meaning leaving the zone). Its kinda that he let me loot my corpse, but where am I supposed to go? I've read on the forums I am supposed to leave for 1 hour and come back. The run from Gfay to butcherblock as a lvl 4 warrior takes some time and is quite dangerous.

I really dont understand the logic to these rules, if anyone could offer some advice to a new player what to do in this situation I would appreciate it.

Or is this just some sort of inside joke on the project1999 pvp server that I'm not aware of?

[Kergan]

Oh boy...

[Stasis01]

LOL please

[Colgate]

hey sundawg

[aasch08]

I don't understand any of these replies. I am assuming its sarcastic though? So am I wasting my time? I didn't really have to leave or log out?

[Tradesonred]

I don't understand any of these replies. I am assuming its sarcastic though? So am I wasting my time? I didn't really have to leave or log out?

Yeah, its been thought through that much

Or that little, you pick

[Stasis01]

I can't imagine any GM coming down on the lvl 4 for not scooting the lowbie zone.

[Tradesonred]

But hey GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE NOOBS right? Lets press a button, any button, and see if it fixes stuff.

[Colgate]

I can't imagine any GM coming down on the lvl 4 for not scooting the lowbie zone.

i don't know, they've clearly shown a really retarded sense of discretion in the past

[vinnidel]

I don't understand any of these replies. I am assuming its sarcastic though? So am I wasting my time? I didn't really have to leave or log out?

hi agatha.

[vinnidel]

aggy just loves creating new forum names and creating noob personas to try to illustrate supposed flaws in system

[Tradesonred]

The rule says that if both parties agree to forfeit LNS, then the rule can be broken. If you do not leave the zone with your level 4 after ganker doesnt agree to break LnS, youre breaking that rule and the punishment for that is a ban.

This is correct right

Wether its agatha or not doesnt change this is a plausible scenario

[aasch08]

Thanks for the replies guys. It seems like this is something I shouldn't really be worried about til high up. I feel though they should add this to the wiki rule set for pvp1999 since thats where I originally got my info.

For those that keep claiming I'm other players Im not, you can check my post history, it shows I first asked for an exempt to play with my gf & brother. Then the issues we had getting eqemu to run properly.

All 3 of us are new players just trying to start out on here.

Thanks again.

[aasch08]

Also, this might be a better spot to ask this since I'v seen more people in this thread compared to in game.

But would anyone be able to port an ogre warrior to the freeport area & bind? I've decided to remake into an ogre for various reasons.

[HippoNipple]

I am a bit confused on what to do on this server. I am new to EQEmu in general and started off on the pvp server of project1999. I originally played on Rallos Zek as Abobo in Population Control.

I am fine with there being twink & general people being dicks, I was once like that and its just the way some people are.

What I dont understand is will I really get banned if I dont leave the zone once I'm PKd? For instance, I am a lvl 4 WE warrior, I got stream rolled by someone with a lamentation. This is fine & all until I was told I need to loot and scoot (meaning leaving the zone). Its kinda that he let me loot my corpse, but where am I supposed to go? I've read on the forums I am supposed to leave for 1 hour and come back. The run from Gfay to butcherblock as a lvl 4 warrior takes some time and is quite dangerous.

I really dont understand the logic to these rules, if anyone could offer some advice to a new player what to do in this situation I would appreciate it.

Or is this just some sort of inside joke on the project1999 pvp server that I'm not aware of?

Well young wood elf you are in luck. This is a pvp server but with an anti griefing policy so that PKer with lamentations can only kill you once. From Gfay you should be able to get that corpse in a matter of a couple minutes and then you have a couple choices young lad. You can head to the land of gnomes or dwarfs and adventure there for the remainder of your hour.

As an alternative you can message the pker and see if they will allow you to continue leveling there. Give it a try. If you see someone from Red Dawn be sure to ask for some buffs, they are very nice folks and will make sure you are taken care of.

Good luck young traveler. Don't let griefers discourage you, you are protected here friend.

[Tradesonred]

What happens if the guy follows him around and asks him to LnS everytime

lol

[HippoNipple]

What happens if the guy follows him around and asks him to LnS everytime

lol

Then you are griefing them and not following the rules of the play nice policy, your account will be cleansed.

[Kergan]

I would argue very strongly that forcing a level 4 to LNS from the only zone within a 15 minute run he can experience in is griefing far more than killing him.

[Kergan]

Then you are griefing them and not following the rules of the play nice policy, your account will be cleansed.

Sorry, where in the rules does it say you can't follow someone (geared, not on CR, not LNS enabled in that zone) and kill them in another zone? This scenario is very much within the rules, in fact the slain player would have to continue to LNS from each zone or risk punishment, not the other way around.

[runlvlzero]

If you die in game you must immediately log off and slap yourself in the face while staring into the mirror saying "I will not be beaten" for 1 hr, prior to logging in game and scooting.

GM's will be arriving at your home to enforce this.

[HippoNipple]

Sorry, where in the rules does it say you can't follow someone (geared, not on CR, not LNS enabled in that zone) and kill them in another zone? This scenario is very much within the rules, in fact the slain player would have to continue to LNS from each zone or risk punishment, not the other way around.

I think the members of a certain organization within Norrath are going about this play nice policy all wrong. Instead of searching for ways to grief within limitations it is supposed to help guide you to being a better player.

You shouldn't have to read a long dialogue of rules to understand following someone and killing them in every zone is griefing and it shouldn't be done. It isn't helping you control a zone for PvE and it isn't competitive PvP. There is no reason for it outside of griefing.

Why do you insist on finding ways to bend and break the rules our GMs worked hard on to implement?

Red Dawn will do what they can to help enforce these rules and help police the griefers that try to break the system in such ways. It will make sure guilds like Nihilum don't corpse camp level 4 warriors and follow them from zone to zone.

[Mac Dretti]

I got stream rolled by someone

[Technique]

Why do you insist on finding ways to bend and break the rules our GMs worked hard on to implement?Judging by the fact that the r99 PNP post is a carbon copy of blue's rules (most of which don't apply here yet remain in the post because apparently it requires too much effort to edit) with a short red-specific addendum tacked to the bottom in the fashion of an afterthought, I rather doubt they slaved long over it.

[Slathar]

Judging by the fact that the r99 PNP post is a carbon copy of blue's rules (most of which don't apply here yet remain in the post because apparently it requires too much effort to edit) with a short red-specific addendum tacked to the bottom in the fashion of an afterthought, I rather doubt they slaved long over it.

Another fine example of a toxic, entitled player complaining about volunteer staff on a free server.

[Eslade]

Sorry, where in the rules does it say you can't follow someone (geared, not on CR, not LNS enabled in that zone) and kill them in another zone? This scenario is very much within the rules, in fact the slain player would have to continue to LNS from each zone or risk punishment, not the other way around.

If you followed them and killed them in another zone, then they can return to the other zone because you aren't there anymore.
Come on dude common sense. The rule was put in place to prevent bind rushing and you're trying to use it to grief. This is why people get banned. Instead of taking the spirit of the rule, you ass hats have to try to push the boundaries of the rules until you break them. Have fun with your future suspensions friend.

[Clark]

I can't imagine any GM coming down on the lvl 4 for not scooting the lowbie zone.

[Technique]

Another fine example of a toxic, entitled player complaining about volunteer staff on a free server.

It's utterly irrelevant whether they're volunteers or not, whether it's a commercial game or not, so spare me that specious line of reasoning. Regardless of how or why the staff came to be in their positions, they still have the exact same responsibilities to the game and its players.

I am entitled. As are you. As is every person who plays this server. We're entitled to governance by staff who take their responsibilities seriously enough not to codify half-baked ideas into external rules on a whim with no prior conversation with the community.

Koster touches on this in his article describing the rights of players in virtual worlds (http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/playerrights.shtml).
6. The code of conduct is the expression of the general will of the community and the will of the individual who maintains the hardware and software that makes up the virtual space. Every member of the community has the right to contribute either directly or via representatives in the shaping of the code of conduct as the culture of the virtual space evolves, particularly as it evolves in directions that the administrator did not predict; the ultimate right of the administrator to shape and define the code of conduct shall not be abrogated, but it is clear that the administrator therefore has the duty and responsibility to work with the community to arrive at a code of conduct that is shaped by the input of the community. As a member of the community himself, the administrator would be damaging the community itself if he failed in this responsibility, for abrogation of this right of avatars could result in the loss of population and therefore damage to the common weal.I don't expect anyone to read that or do anything but dismiss it out of hand, but it's relevant to recent events here, so there it is.

On the subject of being toxic, every jackass who can't stanch his stupidity long enough to resist derailing threads discussing these issues by accusing other players of misdeeds with no evidence, mislabeling people and their motives, propagandizing for change under the pretense of benefiting the community as a whole, or just uselessly spouting the latest witless internet idioms isn't merely toxic to the community—

they are a fucking disease.

[Koota]

I think the members of a certain organization within Norrath are going about this play nice policy all wrong. Instead of searching for ways to grief within limitations it is supposed to help guide you to being a better player.

You shouldn't have to read a long dialogue of rules to understand following someone and killing them in every zone is griefing and it shouldn't be done. It isn't helping you control a zone for PvE and it isn't competitive PvP. There is no reason for it outside of griefing.

Why do you insist on finding ways to bend and break the rules our GMs worked hard on to implement?




Fucking THANK YOU

[Butthead]

it'll get better in time hopefully. gm's sound like they're fully commited to making red99 flourish again... i disagreed wit the rules but once i talked to em, it doesnt sound as bad.

i bet after sometime wit these new weird rules, they'll edit em and maybe even take some away once the point is made and the community is nicer.... (its a pvp server i know lol)
but aparently its been too brutal to the newer players and they're prlly tryin to suck in more players before all hope is lost...


Originally Posted by Kergan View Post
Sorry, where in the rules does it say you can't follow someone (geared, not on CR, not LNS enabled in that zone) and kill them in another zone? This scenario is very much within the rules, in fact the slain player would have to continue to LNS from each zone or risk punishment, not the other way around.

theres still alota kinks to b worked out, the rules are still newish.
Kergan technically could do that w.o 'breaking the rules' but he'd still be 'griefing' and id assume would b granted a swift justice..

(i do miss the days of when players would deal with such things. if some1 was griefing on sullon zek, you might get a few kills in before some1 above you would kill you, or a group or equal lvl's rolls you. but since wer either too low in population or no1 cares but the gms feel the need to be involved to prevent such things and allow noobs to play w.o the worry of being pvp'd to death)

=P

[Butthead]

lastly, people in my time would take over pve zones to purposely prevent other players from leveling there.. those other players wer forced to join together and attack n get the zone for themselves orr admit defeat and find somewhere else to go.

(pretty sure sz even had a website that showed the map of norrath and which places wer currently under good, evil, or neutral control... was pretty awsome holding down a zone for your side, but maybe thats best for teams)

[Eslade]

It's utterly irrelevant whether they're volunteers or not, whether it's a commercial game or not, so spare me that specious line of reasoning. Regardless of how or why the staff came to be in their positions, they still have the exact same responsibilities to the game and its players.

I am entitled. As are you. As is every person who plays this server. We're entitled to governance by staff who take their responsibilities seriously enough not to codify half-baked ideas into external rules on a whim with no prior conversation with the community.

Koster touches on this in his article describing the rights of players in virtual worlds (http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/playerrights.shtml).
I don't expect anyone to read that or do anything but dismiss it out of hand, but it's relevant to recent events here, so there it is.

On the subject of being toxic, every jackass who can't stanch his stupidity long enough to resist derailing threads discussing these issues by accusing other players of misdeeds with no evidence, mislabeling people and their motives, propagandizing for change under the pretense of benefiting the community as a whole, or just uselessly spouting the latest witless internet idioms isn't merely toxic to the community—

they are a fucking disease.

I'm sorry, but you aren't entitled to shit. Have fun playing on your FREE server and stfu. Or you can go play live, or make your own server. Until YOU actually have something to do with the development or server maintenance, you take a back seat to what the staff wants to do. If they wanted to enforce a mod where we all had to wear pink hats and dresses, guess what you'll be doing and you'll enjoy it or gtfo. Plain and simple.

TLDR
You're not entitled to anything, you can suggest but you can't demand.

[Technique]

TLDR
You're not entitled to anything, you can suggest but you can't demand.You hold a mistaken connotation of the word "entitled", but that's typical of most people who've taken to bandying around the term in recent years.

I'd go to the trouble of explaining further if your other posts didn't indicate to me that it'd be a lost cause. You are the disease.

[Eslade]

You hold a mistaken connotation of the word "entitled", but that's typical of most people who've taken to bandying around the term in recent years.

I'd go to the trouble of explaining further if your other posts didn't indicate to me that it'd be a lost cause. You are the disease.

en·ti·tle (n-ttl)
tr.v. en·ti·tled, en·ti·tling, en·ti·tles
1. To give a name or title to.
2. To furnish with a right or claim to something: The coupon entitles the bearer to a 25 percent savings. Every citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law.

What part am I not getting? It's a lost cause because your argument is flimsy at best and you know it. Now go play on your free server and calm down.