Adjust game mechanics please!!!!

[Kinamara]

It is now impossible to know what goes and what does not go, if you just want to play everquest and not spend time reading the forums for the daily rulechanges and precedence for who gets banned for what everyday.

Can we please have game mechanics adjusted instead of this nonsense pvp where it's about who brings most cameras to a fight and sends in the most petitions?

[Rellapse36]

some more Nilly tears

RedDawn doin gods work

[Kinamara]

You're right. I'm sad to see everquest ruined by bullshit.

Bans should be for people who exploit, rmt, 2box, threaten others irl and all that good stuff. Not for pressing your attack button or casting spells.

If people should not be attacked when they are on LNS from pvp, then give them a divine aura that lasts until 5 minutes after they loot their items and is broken in case they use any ability or agro a mob. Hell, just make them ghosts so it's like WOW where there is no penalty for dying.

Regulated playstyle based on subjective evaluations from GMs in each case and based on who wants to spend the time petitioning is just dumb. Everytime someone is banned for pvp, I think it is a loss to the server. It was dumb as fuck that Andis got banned for what happened, same with the others who suffered from it yesterday.

If I log on and kill someone, I can't possibly know if he is on loot and scoot or not. Same if i zone into a new zone etc. There's just so many gray areas. The PNP is overall the same as making a law, that says you're not allowed to drive too fast on the highway, but there's no speed limit mentioned. Further, you'll get punished with the death penalty even if you did not know about it when driving too fast.

[Rellapse36]

Bans should be for people who exploit, rmt, 2box, threaten others irl and all that good stuff.
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you're right get those people that have broke these rules in your guild banned and we can talk

[Kinamara]

you're right get those people that have broke these rules in your guild banned and we can talk

This has nothing to do with guilds. Please take your whine to another thread and keep this one on topic.

[rusty81]

There is some truth to OP's post...

At this point I have just logged off in fear of being banned for doing nothing but dying.

[runlvlzero]

been on every day since the rules change have not been banned had pvp and had no problems

[rusty81]

been on every day since the rules change have not been banned had pvp and had no problems

It's the uncertainty of it. You get killed in a zone where you can't just leave or Gate because you are bound in said zone, Other player says in OOC "You have to scoot"

what do you do? wait 45 mins for a boat because that doesn't make sense might as well stay in zone or log? because if not you could be suspended for not scooting?

there are just some grey areas in the rules is all. Regardless who OP is these are some problems affecting other players as well.

The rules may be a good idea for the good of the whole server, but really need to be tweaked to become more accurate/efficient.

As of now it has produced a new kind of grief... Someone zones in kills you tells you to "Scoot" for no reason then either leaves zone or logs off and has no original intention on Xp'in/camping that zone. but all the world would see is that you did not scoot and can possibly face a suspension.

Now one may say well don't XP in that zone? why should I be told that I cant do something in a Video Game. The sole purpose of these damn things are fun, when you start adding unclear rules on how to play on what you can and can't do then that just causes confusion and simply put, takes the fun out of it.

If the rules exist to force people to play nice then they should do just that not give a new opportunity at grief.

That is the problem, the LnS policy has IMO <-- just created a new type of Grief.

[Kinamara]

That is the problem, the LnS policy has IMO <-- just created a new type of Grief.
http://i.imgur.com/JfJwjzz.jpg
Exactly. In this case for example, I buffed myself up while sitting in a group of guildies next to the zone line. I was about to leave even though we had the complete control of the zone and if anyone needed buffs they could just get it from another cleric, but apparantly, it was not good enough to not get "griefed." I didn't know what I could and could not do, and that's the point.

This exact kind of gameplay makes me want to play other games instead, but I am sure majority of the people on this forum would be just fine with that, since I'm one of the most toxic and at the same time less skilled pvpers on the server. It's been about a month since i died pvp, so excuse me for not being extremely up to date on what rules apply in that case.

[Twainz]

You could just try not being a dick and attacking every naked person or lowbie you see. The PnP was put in place because people like Tune run around griefing anyone and everyone until they join Nihilum or quit.

[heartbrand]

You could just try not being a dick and attacking every naked person or lowbie you see. The PnP was put in place because people like Tune run around griefing anyone and everyone until they join Nihilum or quit.

[Stasis01]

Well you died in LS and then were buffing people in LS, and then attacked us in SOLB with them - I'd say the GM's were fairly lenient with the actual engage.

Which is cool, but we won the fight in SOLB - and you guys started to do your typical port back quickly, start looting and picking naked people off that were trying to get back to SOLB.

We won the fight, it wasn't arguable. I don't understand why you can't just say good fight and say see you next time - and always turn fights into all night events that people just end up quitting and saying "you fucking losers" peace.

[Kinamara]

Oh, you mean like when Colgate logged into Erudin yesterday to kill a few people at their binds?

I honestly don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to do it, what I want to address here is, that it should be adjusted through game mechanics, NOT through whoever sends in the most petitions.

I will quite frankly not report anyone for anything unless it is of abusive nature, which could ruin the server. I don't want to see people banned for playing the game, the population is small enough as it is.

It is of course one way to get rid of competition to just petition everyone and their mother, but it is not a game I feel like participating in during my sparetime.

[DeadlyApostle]

Is that the same as Ricardo being killed and then sitting around buffing people since he was the only enchanter your side had? The point is that you guys all threaten to get people banned for the same shit you do.

[Stasis01]

Exactly my point, why argue bullshit - the fight was had RD won it, good fight move on.

[rusty81]

Just want to be clear, in no way shape or form was my reply related to this specific incident.

I am only talking about my personal encounters with the new rules in place.

[Kinamara]

I would kindly request that the thread is kept on topic. The topic is NOT whether nihilum or red dawn won the fight yesterday. I enjoyed about 5 minutes of running around and healing inside sol b and then there was a bunch of bullshit afterwards. Good fight, I hope we get more without GM interference and banned accounts.

I really see a big problem with the ruleset being something you:

1) Have to be aware of, as it is often changed.
2) Get threatened with just for using the existing game mechanics.

It is not fun to do either, and it is keeping people from starting on the server. Noone wants to risk getting banned over pushing a button in the wrong situation.

[Ryko]

The game is no longer Everquest... it is For(um)everquest.... you can no longer win in game alone, it is now a battle of in game + Forums/petitions.

If I logged in today after a one month hiatus I would probably be banned within 2 hours if I didn't first spend one hour reading the forums. It becomes a job.

I think that all we need in order to fix the problems that we saw yesterday would be a simple flagging system. When someone dies in PVP... make there name GREEN for one hour

Seeing as we all seem to be skipping around every back alley of the rules... and those with enough nerd rage are petitioning everyone, When your name turns green don't even fucking think of PVP.

This sounds like bluebie bullshit... because it is... but that's the way the CSR staff wants it at the moment.... I feel if this went into place there would be MUCH less gray area and help people from losing there chars over accidents...

Also if you attacked a green name... or sat in the middle of Mass PVP with a green name healing... you deserve your ban... and there will definitive proof you fucked up...


Anyone Feelers me?

[Twainz]

Is that the same as Ricardo being killed and then sitting around buffing people since he was the only enchanter your side had? The point is that you guys all threaten to get people banned for the same shit you do.

The person playing Ricardo has never played EQ before. He is learning and was not in TS. Checkraise kicked him from TS because we didn't know who he was and he never came back lol. This is the same person that almost killed Cinda the other day after I killed Cinda. Luckily I wasn't doing anything so I could send him a tell and tell him to stop attacking Cinda before he got banned.

[Kinamara]

The person playing Ricardo has never played EQ before. He is learning and was not in TS.

But he broke the rules so ban him! This just proves exactly why there is a problem with the ruleset. I'd honestly prefer all playstyle regulating rules removed and have game mechanics adjusted instead.

[Stasis01]

Did you not think dying in LS, coming back buffing your raid force and charging in SOLB was breaking LNS? Did you hear anything from GM'S?

I think they only intervened once it was over, and you guys were about to say fuck the rules and do what you always do.

[Twainz]

The rules aren't hard to follow if you have half a brain. If you think someone could possibly be on LnS, don't kill them... You are in a teamspeak with 40 people. Try using you mic to ask if that person is on LnS. OR you could use the classic method of the /tell command. Its really not hard to obey these rules. Stop griefing people to make yourself feel superior. Tune is online 23 hours a day and killed the same person multiple times on LnS last night. Are you telling me that he didn't deserve to be suspended for his malicious intent? You can't sit here and tell me killing nakeds is fun.


PS.

Jizzar, Tune and Spectre were all banned from GMs being online and watching, not petitionquest.

[Kinamara]

I don't think either of those accounts, Andis or anyone else should have been banned or suspended for killing players on a pvp server.

Sure, Jizzar had a mob or two hit him while he was killing a group. I mean, a warrior cannot really train. He can bring mobs that are still hitting him...If he had brought 20 mobs and just died at the group, that would be a train, and a warning should be issued.

What if the group was already fighting a mob when Jizzar arrived and they fought back, should they all be banned for training?

However a suspension or ban or whatever was used. Death penalty for overspeeding by 1 mph.

For unclear rules.

It's the same rule lawyering shit that happens when people are going crazy over a raid of 20 people bringing 1 ldc to a dragon fight and blaming the wipe on the 1 ldc. Sure it's not allowed but it's not game changing, not in advantage of the trainer as the mob will hit him, and most likely not intended.

[Labanen]

I don't understand why you can't just say good fight and say see you next time
I think we ll manage, good job on the opposition to man the fuck up and bring a fight

But thats all besides the point here. PnP by default is ok with me, but this isnt an ideal system yet, and tweaking makes sense to me.

[rusty81]

But thats all besides the point here. PnP by default is ok with me, but this isnt an ideal system yet, and tweaking makes sense to me.

This

[Twainz]

I don't think either of those accounts, Andis or anyone else should have been banned or suspended.

Sure, Jizzar had a mob or two hit him while he was killing a group. I mean, a warrior cannot really train. He can bring mobs that are still hitting him...If he had brought 20 mobs and just died at the group, that would be a train, and a warning should be issued.

What if the group was already fighting a mob when Jizzar arrived and they fought back, should they all be banned for training?

However a suspension or ban or whatever was used. Death penalty for overspeeding by 1 mph.

For unclear rules.

It's the same rule lawyering shit that happens when people are going crazy over a raid of 20 people bringing 1 ldc to a dragon fight and blaming the wipe on the 1 ldc. Sure it's not allowed but it's not game changing, not in advantage of the trainer as the mob will hit him, and most likely not intended.

Being that I was in the group I will tell you what happened.

Jizzar zoned in and agroed a few kobolds. He could of easily killed those kobolds but he didnt. He runs up to the entrance of Efreeti and sees a few imps. He could of easily killed those imps but didnt. Instead, he pulls the couple kobolds and couple imps to a group of sub 50s that had 3 mobs on them. We were killing our mobs and when he pulled the mobs up to us, we got social agro. Charm pet broke and the chanter started to go down, he got low hp agro from Jizzar and the charm pet and I healed him. Now our whole group has agro on all 7 mobs. Jizzar pops his disc and kills the chanter and now all the mobs are on my cleric which Jizzar then goes to crippling blow me to death. The point is, he didn't have to bring the mobs. No one that has half a brain would bring those mobs thinking it wouldn't train that group. If he really cared about PvPing us, he would of done that. Instead, he decided to bring PvE with him to assist him with PvPing us. Training is illegal anyway you look at it. If I agro a bat while running out, I don't sit at the zoneline waiting for them to get there while attacking you, I reset agro and comeback.

[Labanen]

if you look at the log file you can see the imps hitting and backstabbing jizzar until the end of the fight... hardly assisting him in doing so.

[Kinamara]

Jizzar zoned in and agroed a few kobolds. He could of easily killed those kobolds but he didnt. He runs up to the entrance of Efreeti and sees a few imps. He could of easily killed those imps but didnt. Instead, he pulls the couple kobolds and couple imps to a group of sub 50s that had 3 mobs on them. We were killing our mobs and when he pulled the mobs up to us, we got social agro. Charm pet broke and the chanter started to go down, he got low hp agro from Jizzar and the charm pet and I healed him. Now our whole group has agro on all 7 mobs. Jizzar pops his disc and kills the chanter and now all the mobs are on my cleric which Jizzar then goes to crippling blow me to death. The point is, he didn't have to bring the mobs. No one that has half a brain would bring those mobs thinking it wouldn't train that group. If he really cared about PvPing us, he would of done that. Instead, he decided to bring PvE with him to assist him with PvPing us. Training is illegal anyway you look at it. If I agro a bat while running out, I don't sit at the zoneline waiting for them to get there while attacking you, I reset agro and comeback.



I was not there and don't know the exact details. I heard another version of the story. If it was as you just mentioned and you got agro for trying to save him from xp death, a penalty could be OK.

If you healed him to ensure you got agro of any mobs he had, so that you could petition him and get him suspended in order to hurt your competition, I think it is something you should be permanently banned for however. But we will never really know, will we?

This is why it's a gray area and I'd rather see something done about how the mechanics work than people losing their characters.

[Twainz]

if you look at the log file you can see the imps hitting and backstabbing jizzar until the end of the fight... hardly assisting him in doing so.

When you are attacking a group of 50s in rags then only have maybe 1500hp buffed? 20% of 1500 = 300hp
300hp = 3-4 hits from one of those imps or 1-2 hits from Jizzar criping.

It only takes a split second for All those mobs to assist Jizzar on low hp targets and kill them. Why does a lvl 60 warrior in full BiS need to bring mobs with him in the first place? He could of easily killed those mobs then came to PvP right? The answer is he doesn't care. He got suspended and immediately started talking shit about the rules and how he doesn't care. You guild leader gives 0 fucks about anyone but the few people that suck his dick. Its funny after you guys lost the fight how many people sent me tells about how horrible Nihilum is at losing and how people's true feelings about one another come out. I'm glad you guys have fun winning together, lets see how strong your friendships are when they get tested.

[Twainz]

I was not there and don't know the exact details. I heard another version of the story. If it was as you just mentioned and you got agro for trying to save him from xp death, a penalty could be OK.

If you healed him to ensure you got agro of any mobs he had, so that you could petition him and get him suspended in order to hurt your competition, I think it is something you should be permanently banned for however. But we will never really know, will we?

This is why it's a gray area and I'd rather see something done about how the mechanics work than people losing their characters.

I have one question for you. Is training legal?

If no, Nizzar should be banned for his 3rd train in the last 3 months.

If yes, unban Nizzar.

[hagard]

The rules aren't hard to follow if you have half a brain.

This must be why nihilum keeps eating suspensions lolol

[Twainz]

This must be why nihilum keeps eating suspensions lolol

No need for insults bro. Shit is so boring.

[Labanen]

noone likes to loose. Some care too much, you know me well enough to know that im pretty chilled either way.

I guess this is the same reason why you dont like to admit that having mobs stabbing you in the back isnt a good help. Can you afford not too care if you re 60 in good gear, well maybe, but they actually killed him in the end.

Why do he have to kill 50ies in rags... i think he may have gone there for you more than them, but thats just assumptions on my part.

[Thrilla]

lol gladly don't even play much these days, seems like whoever petitions the fastest and hardest wins-- sad times.

I'd hate to be GM on this box

[Technique]

PnP by default is ok with me, but this isnt an ideal system yet, and tweaking makes sense to me.Derubael claimed he was going to discuss revisions to the absurd rules with sirkenAgain, will edit the PnP after Sirken and I talk.over a week ago, but in the meantime they seem to have no qualms enforcing them.

I've never played an MMO, commercial or otherwise, in which the CSRs were informed enough about the game to actually understand the problems in it, let alone fix them with external rules, and r99 appears to be no exception.

[Twainz]

lol gladly don't even play much these days, seems like whoever petitions the fastest and hardest wins-- sad times.

I'd hate to be GM on this box

Ive noticed you have become what Tune was in BW out in OOT. You should stop harboring fugitives and come make a difference with your YT. Feels so good killing VP geared lvl 60s.

[hagard]

No need for insults bro. Shit is so boring.

Twot??

[HippoNipple]

I was not there and don't know the exact details. I heard another version of the story. If it was as you just mentioned and you got agro for trying to save him from xp death, a penalty could be OK.

If you healed him to ensure you got agro of any mobs he had, so that you could petition him and get him suspended in order to hurt your competition, I think it is something you should be permanently banned for however. But we will never really know, will we?

This is why it's a gray area and I'd rather see something done about how the mechanics work than people losing their characters.

When there is a clear case of training and disregard for server rules a suspension is needed. In addition guild leaders should be held at a higher regard, which Nizzar has not been. He has actually been very fortunate with his treatment over the history of Project 1999, probably mostly due to lack of man power in regulating the rules. Nizzar isn't a player that upholds the values of a true leader and this server has suffered from it since the inception of Nihilum. He is power hungry, selfish, arrogant and accused cheater and RMTer. He isn't someone other guild leaders can look to for leadership or maintain a respectful competitive relationship with.

I'm sure you did hear a different side of the story to this one insignificant instance but everyone on this server knows he is guilty of much more than he has been persecuted for so as a lackey of his I wouldn't waste my time pushing this subject.

[Kinamara]

I have one question for you. Is training legal?

If no, Nizzar should be banned for his 3rd train in the last 3 months.

If yes, unban Nizzar.

Purposely training is not legal and shouldn't be. It shouldn't be in VP either if you ask me, but it is.

I don't walk around and fraps everyone and their mother, but I can tell you, that we've also been trained a bunch of times - the difference is I don't want people banned, so I don't report it. Instead i'll try to root whoever is training or run away until the trainer dies.

Next question from the rule lawyering person would then be: Why should it not be legal - it is a game mechanic? Well, one person being able to bind outside fear and stop 20 people from killing anything just by training mobs on the raid over and over is lame and just as game breaking as having to deal with the people reporting trains.

It's just really difficult to deal with all these gray areas.

If a fire beetle is agroed on you in neriak and you kill a lvl 60 at the same time, did you train him? What if it was 5 green-agro lvl 20 frogs in upper guk? What if it was a LDC and 2 kobolds in sol b? Or all the frogs from entrance in sebillis to disco?

I think the limit should be somewhere between the last two mentioned, but where exactly? impossible to define, and therefore gm judgement will be subjective and in the end people will fraps their enemies to get their characters banned and the game gets lame.

I'd instead propose a game mechanic (WHICH IS ACTUALLY CLASSIC), that whoever first agros a mob has a higher agro than the 2nd player to damage it. On this server, you can pull with the biggest shaman slow and it creates 1 point of agro.

[Kinamara]

Above post is by the way a bit derailed.

I think really the play nice policy regarding loot and scoot is the most game-breaking right now. I haven't overall had many issues with people training me (except in VP where it's legal) or people reporting me for having a mob agroed somewhere in a zone while killing them.

However, this new loot and scoot whistle blowing is making pvp lame and it needs to stop, now.

[Tassador]

Let's all go to the Lobby!!!

[mcappy]

Purposely training is not legal and shouldn't be. It shouldn't be in VP either if you ask me, but it is.

I don't walk around and fraps everyone and their mother, but I can tell you, that we've also been trained a bunch of times - the difference is I don't want people banned, so I don't report it. Instead i'll try to root whoever is training or run away until the trainer dies.

Next question from the rule lawyering person would then be: Why should it not be legal - it is a game mechanic? Well, one person being able to bind outside fear and stop 20 people from killing anything just by training mobs on the raid over and over is lame and just as game breaking as having to deal with the people reporting trains.

It's just really difficult to deal with all these gray areas.

If a fire beetle is agroed on you in neriak and you kill a lvl 60 at the same time, did you train him? What if it was 5 green-agro lvl 20 frogs in upper guk? What if it was a LDC and 2 kobolds in sol b? Or all the frogs from entrance in sebillis to disco?

I think the limit should be somewhere between the last two mentioned, but where exactly? impossible to define, and therefore gm judgement will be subjective and in the end people will fraps their enemies to get their characters banned and the game gets lame.

I'd instead propose a game mechanic (WHICH IS ACTUALLY CLASSIC), that whoever first agros a mob has a higher agro than the 2nd player to damage it. On this server, you can pull with the biggest shaman slow and it creates 1 point of agro.

Intent is always up for interpretation, I just don't see it being enforced that way. It seems like it's "if mob agro transfers from you to your enemy for any reason, you trained them".

Example: As a Monk, FD is my best escape ability by far. If I were to run from a fight through two dozen mobs and feign in a corner, would it be training if some idiot followed me the whole way and died to the mobs I just feigned off? I'd say no, but I have a feeling I'd eat a suspension for it.

[Thrilla]

Ive noticed you have become what Tune was in BW out in OOT. You should stop harboring fugitives and come make a difference with your YT. Feels so good killing VP geared lvl 60s.

Nothing I can do in EQ atm would make any diff to me as far as fun factor goes outside of Velious

In the mean time I been trying to sharpen my FPS skills again playing some QuakeLive, it's F2P you should try it its fun

[Twainz]

Purposely training is not legal and shouldn't be. It shouldn't be in VP either if you ask me, but it is.

Training is not legal in VP anymore. I didn't really enjoy doing it anyway.

I don't walk around and fraps everyone and their mother, but I can tell you, that we've also been trained a bunch of times - the difference is I don't want people banned, so I don't report it. Instead i'll try to root whoever is training or run away until the trainer dies.

I don't report people for accidental trains. I will report you for malicious trains. I don't have fraps but I know Nihilum has a link to fraps stickied on their forums and at one point Nizzar said everyone must have it installed.

Next question from the rule lawyering person would then be: Why should it not be legal - it is a game mechanic? Well, one person being able to bind outside fear and stop 20 people from killing anything just by training mobs on the raid over and over is lame and just as game breaking as having to deal with the people reporting trains.

Is the first train not as bad as the second or third train? I think the initial train is always going to be the worst because it will set everyone back. People will have to CR/Rez/Rebuff. Only takes 1 train to ruin a group/raid.

It's just really difficult to deal with all these gray areas.

Its simple really. Don't train, don't grief and don't be a dick.

If a fire beetle is agroed on you in neriak and you kill a lvl 60 at the same time, did you train him? What if it was 5 green-agro lvl 20 frogs in upper guk? What if it was a LDC and 2 kobolds in sol b? Or all the frogs from entrance in sebillis to disco?

If the mobs do not attack the person you are attacking then no. If you bring mobs to a group and die on them then yes. If you bring mobs to a group and they have mobs that social and get agro on you transfer agro to their group then yes.

I think the limit should be somewhere between the last two mentioned, but where exactly? impossible to define, and therefore gm judgement will be subjective and in the end people will fraps their enemies to get their characters banned and the game gets lame.

I'd instead propose a game mechanic (WHICH IS ACTUALLY CLASSIC), that whoever first agros a mob has a higher agro than the 2nd player to damage it. On this server, you can pull with the biggest shaman slow and it creates 1 point of agro.

Why not try playing nice for once and not train? Sounds pretty simple to me. Doesn't require any GM/Dev assistance. It also helps you not come off as a dick.

[Twainz]

Nothing I can do in EQ atm would make any diff to me as far as fun factor goes outside of Velious

In the mean time I been trying to sharpen my FPS skills again playing some QuakeLive, it's F2P you should try it its fun

I do miss my pal. I never played Quake much. I played a lot of CSS though if you want to come play there with me. :D. Idk if you play LoL either but if you do we should play that sometime.

[freez]

if you look at the log file you can see the imps hitting and backstabbing jizzar until the end of the fight... hardly assisting him in doing so.



charmed pet, idiot?

[Labanen]

charmed pet, idiot?
no (and why are you always so angry?)
Charm pet broke and the chanter started to go down

[freez]

so youre telling me his proxy agro was enough to hold all mobs he brought on him till everyone was dead?





right












I mean wrong

[Labanen]

im not saying anything anything about what agro he had, who recieved it and why. I am saying there was at least one imp stabbing him the entire fight, that did not help him. I am also saying that it was not a charm pet, since that broke and would never be on him.

[freez]

im not saying anything anything about what agro he had, who recieved it and why. I am saying there was at least one imp stabbing him the entire fight, that did not help him. I am also saying that it was not a charm pet, since that broke and would never be on him.

gonna go out on a limb and say every mob that was on him switched agro at the same time onto his opponents


except one?



wonder why?










either way banned banned



:D

[Labanen]

fine do that. But it would be neat with some evidence to support it. Everything i said is based on logs, screenshots and/or explanations by people present (from the other side).

[freez]

sure it is pal




that's y ur leader is banned for training in this exact incident






/sadface =(

[k9quaint]

I don't understand what is so difficult about LNS.
If you die in PvP, either:
a) don't come back
b) come back, then loot and leave.

If you are killing in PvP don't kill naked people.

Is it hard to follow these rules because Nizzar is offering DKP for every player griefed on a CR?

[Labanen]

I am sure the GMs can see stuff that i cant... would be sad if they couldnt.

I wasnt there and can only work with that people put on here. But even evidence that is readily available here people will ignore/misinterprete to make their case look better than it is, thats what im shooting down here.

That, and you calling me an idiot for not seeing that the broken charmed pet killed Jizzar ;-)

[Kinamara]

no, it is hard to follow because there are many gray areas of the rules, as displayed by this thread.

[HeisChuck]

Something coming hard for the ppl who joined the server then immediately went to nihilum for uncontested pixels for a full year??

oh man I feel bad for yall

[HippoNipple]

no, it is hard to follow because there are many gray areas of the rules, as displayed by this thread.

It is only grayed by those defending the scum lord that has plagued this server far too long. The GMs and righteous players of the server understand it well and follow these rules.

[Kinamara]

It would be a million times better to have the game mechanics adjusted instead of having people banned for not walking in line.

I can see the lawyers not wanting this to happen...

[freez]

I am sure the GMs can see stuff that i cant... would be sad if they couldnt.

I wasnt there and can only work with that people put on here. But even evidence that is readily available here people will ignore/misinterprete to make their case look better than it is, thats what im shooting down here.

That, and you calling me an idiot for not seeing that the broken charmed pet killed Jizzar ;-)

nizzar died last. this is why you are an idiot.



ofcorse the broken charmed pet killed nizzar


he trained and killed the charmer



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I enjoyed the chat







tard

[Technique]

It would be a million times better to have the game mechanics adjusted Yes, but it probably won't happen because Nilbog/Rogean apparently don't have time or don't see a need for it.

Instead they allow their staff to make a mess of things by trying to fix a problem that doesn't even exist.

[Mac Dretti]

If people don't request lns in ooc they shouldn't be protected by LnS

Why hasn't this been fixed yet?


MAKE PEOPLE REQUESTED IT

[Mac Dretti]

Test

[freez]

If people don't request lns in ooc they shouldn't be protected by LnS

Why hasn't this been fixed yet?


MAKE PEOPLE REQUESTED IT



cause that's not the rules moran





l2 adapt


ty

[Mac Dretti]

Stop pressing enter 5 times between sentences







Thanks

[freez]

naw

*****




lick





muh








sak

[Mac Dretti]

Reported for Rnf

[freez]

naw

*****




lick





muh








sak


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[Colgate]

Oh, you mean like when Colgate logged into Erudin yesterday to kill a few people at their binds?

I honestly don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to do it, what I want to address here is, that it should be adjusted through game mechanics, NOT through whoever sends in the most petitions.

I will quite frankly not report anyone for anything unless it is of abusive nature, which could ruin the server. I don't want to see people banned for playing the game, the population is small enough as it is.

It is of course one way to get rid of competition to just petition everyone and their mother, but it is not a game I feel like participating in during my sparetime.

it is clearly stated in the rules that if you find someone naked at their bind, you can kill them once

what the fuck are you crying about it for? what about when elderan died in mass pvp, then logged on skorge and attacked me at my bind? derubael confirmed that what he did was against the rules

[Kinamara]

I am not crying about you doing that Colgate. My post was an answer was to Twainz calling me a mean player for doing the exact same thing.

Quite frankly, I'm so tired of these rules already, it's destroying the game with players from red dawn and azrael running around naked and taunting us with LNS so they can report it. This needs to be addressed via game mechanics, not through who sends in the most petitions.

Gonna go play smite, have a good evening.

[freez]

I am not crying about you doing that Colgate. My post was an answer was to Twainz calling me a mean player for doing the exact same thing.

Quite frankly, I'm so tired of these rules already, it's destroying the game with players from red dawn and azrael running around naked and taunting us with LNS so they can report it. This needs to be addressed via game mechanics, not through who sends in the most petitions.

Gonna go play smite, have a good evening.




griefed off server day 1 of naggy loss











LOL





ps ill rape you in a 1v1 on smite

[Colgate]

you guys ignore the LNS shit anyway

on my way out of solb i had 3 different nihilum members attack me despite spamming in shout that i was scooting

[HippoNipple]

I am not crying about you doing that Colgate. My post was an answer was to Twainz calling me a mean player for doing the exact same thing.

Quite frankly, I'm so tired of these rules already, it's destroying the game with players from red dawn and azrael running around naked and taunting us with LNS so they can report it. This needs to be addressed via game mechanics, not through who sends in the most petitions.

Gonna go play smite, have a good evening.

The leadership you follow has filled you with lies and propaganda. These poor victims you are slaying, while breaking server rules, are not taunting but being griefed. All you have to do is follow the simple rules and stop the finger pointing. They are simple to follow. If you have questions please /t an officer of Red Dawn and they can answer it for you. They will lead this server in the right direction unbiased, no matter what guild you are in.

[Eslade]

The PnP doesn't benefit Nihilim? You mean the guild that didn't play nice in the first place is now adversely affected by a GM enforced play nice policy?
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[Tradesonred]

You people should screw your heads together and make sure you dont become the next Nihilum.

It doesnt matter if someone that complains has a Nihilum tag or not (although it should make you suspicious at this point)

What matters is is a piece of the ruleset good or bad for gameplay, sandboxiness, etc..

PnP is bad, blue as fuck. Its something thought of by people who wouldnt play a game like eve in a million years.

[freez]

pnp = you win pvp, you win pve

no pnp = zerg rushing


ill take pnp thanks

[Tradesonred]

The devs should be forced to handle the petition load for a month so they get a feel of what theyve set in motion.

[AmukTZ]

QQ

[Clark]

some more Nilly tears

RedDawn doin Gods work

[Nizzarr]

it is clearly stated in the rules that if you find someone naked at their bind, you can kill them once

what the fuck are you crying about it for? what about when elderan died in mass pvp, then logged on skorge and attacked me at my bind? derubael confirmed that what he did was against the rules

wtf is different from the other?

You kill naked people at their binds, he kills you at your bind and you petition?

[runlvlzero]

That is the problem, the LnS policy has IMO <-- just created a new type of Grief.

There was always grief, but bans should not be the form grief takes.

I'm all for stuff like shadowrest. Or as some others suggested changes to PnP, such as making it guild leader specific or officer, or making it only apply to groups and not mass pvp. But make it count if someone asks for it.

TBH - the best suggestions i've seen are make people ooc for LNS, if a guild leader oocs it applies to guild, and lastly shadowrest.

[Rellapse36]

0 RD leadership suspended for breaking pnp rules.

all of nilly leadership is suspended and couple alts 2

Until these idiots can respect the staff none of the rules needs to be tweaked, they just need a raid suspension or two or a guild disband.

[Rellapse36]

cool

[freez]

You sound like a little bitch...

hehemadhehe

[Rellapse36]

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[Rallyd]

Entire Red Dawn guild being disingenuous on forums so that brennard (derubael) and sirken (azrael) can show nilbog the forums and say "see we're doing it right" while behind the scenes in ts/vent with red dawn snickering their way to destroying the server simply to get the "opposition" some pixels. Anyone who can't see through it is doing so on purpose.

[Rellapse36]

Entire Red Dawn guild being disingenuous on forums so that brennard (derubael) and sirken (azrael) can show nilbog the forums and say "see we're doing it right" while behind the scenes in ts/vent with red dawn snickering their way to destroying the server simply to get the "opposition" some pixels. Anyone who can't see through it is doing so on purpose.

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[Rellapse36]

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[Eslade]

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[heartbrand]

Entire Red Dawn guild being disingenuous on forums so that brennard (derubael) and sirken (azrael) can show nilbog the forums and say "see we're doing it right" while behind the scenes in ts/vent with red dawn snickering their way to destroying the server simply to get the "opposition" some pixels. Anyone who can't see through it is doing so on purpose.

Who told you?

[heartbrand]

You people should screw your heads together and make sure you dont become the next Nihilum.

It doesnt matter if someone that complains has a Nihilum tag or not (although it should make you suspicious at this point)

What matters is is a piece of the ruleset good or bad for gameplay, sandboxiness, etc..

PnP is bad, blue as fuck. Its something thought of by people who wouldnt play a game like eve in a million years.

I am 100% committed to a competitive server. That means endangered dragons, potentially open raids, if it became one giant guild even splitting into teams and having friendly fights for the loot, doing a monthly guild draft with two or even three sides, ANYTHING to have fun and keep it interesting. You can quote me on this.

[Rallyd]

I am 100% committed to a competitive server. That means endangered dragons, potentially open raids, if it became one giant guild even splitting into teams and having friendly fights for the loot, doing a monthly guild draft with two or even three sides, ANYTHING to have fun and keep it interesting. You can quote me on this.

People have quoted you on hundreds of occasions where you have flip flopped, you're the last person anyone would put any weight on said statements. #Romneybrand

[k9quaint]

People have quoted you on hundreds of occasions where you have flip flopped, you're the last person anyone would put any weight on said statements. #Romneybrand

Server was competitive at a Nagafen spawn. Nihilum lost. There might be a thread about it on these forums...

[Colgate]

wtf is different from the other?

You kill naked people at their binds, he kills you at your bind and you petition?

i was not involved in killing those people beforehand; i am not obligated to let them loot n scoot

elderan was involved in the fight in which i died; he is obligated to let me loot n scoot

i did not die, though, because he has down's syndrome and instead of rooting the naked monk, he just casts bane of nife and tries to melee me while i just run to a firepot

it explicitly states in the rules that you're allowed to kill someone naked at their bind once as long as you were not involved in killing them beforehand

derubael told me that what elderan did was against the rules when i asked for a clarification, and to post it, so i did

but yeah, try to justify your members breaking the rules that you're currently suspended on two characters for

[Colgate]

Entire Red Dawn guild being disingenuous on forums so that brennard (derubael) and sirken (azrael) can show nilbog the forums and say "see we're doing it right" while behind the scenes in ts/vent with red dawn snickering their way to destroying the server simply to get the "opposition" some pixels. Anyone who can't see through it is doing so on purpose.

would put this in my sig if nizzar getting destroyed on forumquest weren't better

this is an A+ quote

[Technique]

i was not involved in killing those people beforehand; i am not obligated to let them loot n scootWas this not exactly what Andis was punished for?

[Colgate]

andis's ban was lifted, wasn't it? i even asked derubael right after i killed one of them and he said that i was entitled to kill them once