Call for LNS to be disabled for all Raids... GMs, lets talk...

[Elderan]

LNS works well in small pvp situations. It is easy to tell who is dead, coming back for corpse recovery and such.

However in mass pvp it is a TOTAL nightmare. It is impossible for someone to see a geared person in the middle of 20-40 people and know if they just looted their stuff when pvp action is still happening.

Also LNS is being used as a shield. Here is the example from tonight. After the main battle in Solb, Nihilum zoned our the remaining 12-16 people and Red Dawn did not follow. Nihilum then controlled Lavastorm while Red Dawn controlled Solb. Our goal was to prevent them from adding more people to their raid and luring them out into Lavastorm to negate their numbers, we also had reinforcements coming. Red Dawn had people coming from Nek to add to their raid. We would kill them in Lavastorm. Then they would come back and we could not touch them, they would loot and then walk into Solb and add to Red Dawns existing raid.

According to LNS once you die in pvp if you are ressed in you must LNS. This is IMPOSSIBLE to track. Meaning you cannot combat ress.

By far the easiest solution for this is to just disable LNS for any raids greater than 12 people.

[Loto]

Red Dawn had people coming from Nek to add to their raid. We would kill them in Lavastorm.

You forgot to mention that all of the people you killed in Lavastorm after the main battle were naked and trying to get to their bodies in Sol B to begin with. And you would kill us without the chance. Which is why the ban hammer came down on your ilk.

[hagard]

Take a deep breath, step away from the computer, this just a game, keep repeating this to yourself, this is just a game, eventually u will realize norrath ain't rl

[Witness]

Elderan, it's actually not impossible, if your force gets so small you get pushed out of the zone the raid mob is in..LEAVE, dont stay in lavastorm, just freaking leave. that's what any normal person would do. Instead you guys stayed in Lavastorm, tried to grief (which was the whole point of the pnp to stop griefing) any late comers, and got yourselves banned in the process.

Lose control of raid zone? GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. solved.

[Elderan]

You forgot to mention that all of the people you killed in Lavastorm after the main battle were naked and trying to get to their bodies in Sol B to begin with. And you would kill us without the chance. Which is why the ban hammer came down on your ilk.


Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

[Elderan]

Elderan, it's actually not impossible, if your force gets so small you get pushed out of the zone the raid mob is in..LEAVE, dont stay in lavastorm, just freaking leave. that's what any normal person would do. Instead you guys stayed in Lavastorm, tried to grief (which was the whole point of the pnp to stop griefing) any late comers, and got yourselves banned in the process.

Lose control of raid zone? GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. solved.

Never heard of regrouping?

[hagard]

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

Not Julian like 5x?

[Witness]

Never heard of regrouping?

your "regrouping" is exactly what the PnP is trying to stop. What don't you get about that? if Red Dawn was on the flip side and we had 16 people in lavastorm we would have gone and done something else, not see if we can grief 1 or 2 people.

there was mass pvp, you guys lost control of the raid zone, and pnp did its job

[Elderan]

your "regrouping" is exactly what the PnP is trying to stop. What don't you get about that? if Red Dawn was on the flip side and we had 16 people in lavastorm we would have gone and done something else, not see if we can grief 1 or 2 people.

there was mass pvp, you guys lost control of the raid zone, and pnp did its job

Our 16 is worth about 30 Red dawn.. we had 12 more people coming ready to go. We were not out of it by a long shot.

[Loto]

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

I wasn't aware that the Hand of CSR spoke to their targets before they smote them.

[Witness]

Our 16 is worth about 30 Red dawn.. we had 12 more people coming ready to go. We were not out of it by a long shot.

you obviously were out of it as you did not infact kill nag. you got pushed from raid zone, decided to grief the stragglers, and these 12 more peopel you are talking about never arrived

[Mac Dretti]

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

[HeisChuck]

elderMORAN at it again

step away from the pc you putz

[hagard]

Gif wud have made more sense u imbecile

[Elderan]

you obviously were out of it as you did not infact kill nag. you got pushed from raid zone, decided to grief the stragglers, and these 12 more peopel you are talking about never arrived

Clearly you have not been on this server long...

Far too many times oods have been against us and we won.

[Witness]

Clearly you have not been on this server long...

Far too many times oods have been against us and we won.

ya but not this time.

They didnt put pnp in to help you guys overcome all odds. they put it in to make server more fair.

tonight was a perfectly example of pnp working perfectly.

here's advice: next time you lose control of raid zone, go do something else.

[Smedy]

Tune finally got what the fuck he deserved, he has single handedly griefed more then 200 players off the server by running around in vp gear killing people at lvl 52, Elderans old leaderboard proved it, you could track his stats there, around 480 / 4 and 90% of those kills were on no bodys trying to level up

Pras the oyster world, smedy is coming back soon

[hagard]

Tune finally got what the fuck he deserved, he has single handedly griefed more then 200 players off the server by running around in vp gear killing people at lvl 52, Elderans old leaderboard proved it, you could track his stats there, around 480 / 4 and 90% of those kills were on no bodys trying to level up

Pras the oyster world, smedy is coming back soon

Vztz team assemble

[Mac Dretti]

Pvp = grief.

[hagard]

Pvp = grief.

U blue as they come

[Elderan]

ya but not this time.

They didnt put pnp in to help you guys overcome all odds. they put it in to make server more fair.

tonight was a perfectly example of pnp working perfectly.

here's advice: next time you lose control of raid zone, go do something else.

Earlier we won lavastorm control.. why didnt you leave then?

See the problem?

[Mac Dretti]

I'm not the one in tears demanding blue variance and trying to turn pvp off

[hagard]

Earlier we won lavastorm control.. why didnt you leave then?

See the problem?

We zoned to solb where the raid mob was

[Witness]

Earlier we won lavastorm control.. why didnt you leave then?

See the problem?

lavastorm isnt a raid zone, and im not sure what you're talking about? you mean after we killed naggy?

[Clark]

Pvp = grief.

[jeffd]

summary

rd killed nag/vox
tune banned
elderan on suicide watch

[Origin]

Dumbest post ever. Its a pvp server. So what if he is in VP gear, he earned it. So what if he kills level 52s. (there is a level limit set for a reason). So what if he is killing people who are leveling up. This is a COMPETITION on a PVP server. Just because he is killing those types of people by the dozens, doesn't mean he is griefing.

I don't care what you say, everyone's goal on this server is to gear up and kill others as efficiently as possible. Just cause he had the time and effort to beat you to it, you hate him. Its the same reason you hate Nilly, and why people hate America, celebrities, and attractive sexy beasts like myself.

Its the Envy most you unhappy people have that drive your hate.

Get over it, and figure out what you want from the game, and just do it. If you fail to do so in this 15 y/o game, then find another hobby or get some fucking pussy to make you a happier person.

You're a fucking retard.

[Origin]

Shut your bluebie ass up. You are exactly what I am talking about. Clueless to classic pvp. 90s bluebie babies will never understand how it works. Sit on your blue server and compare pixels with online friends, faggot.

hahaha

You're still a retard, retard.

[mikemandella]

Clearly you have not been on this server long...

Far too many times oods have been against us and we won. edit "OFFERED 3x DKP AND BATFONED

-Oppressor

[Smedy]

Just because he is killing those types of people by the dozens, doesn't mean he is griefing.

Well there was a leaderboard sponsored by nihilum themselves showing tunes daily griefing routine, so yes... he was running around at bard speed in xp zones looking for lvl 52s to kill, it's impossible to die in outdoor zone so he was taking absolutely zero risks doing so aswell, zero real pvp, full grief.


Its the Envy

You're not the only one here going the gym 4 days a week to build a good body, but you're the only one posting pictures of it constantly and then when people get sick and tired of ya you call it envy... your cries for attention goes numb on big smedys ears dog

[Kraftwerk]

So how many people in Red Dawn have been banned for violating PNP policy? Just curious since Nilly is at 3 that I know of.

[Labanen]

Wasnt present for the most recent suspensions, but for instance Andis' and jizzar's suspensions seemed really harsh to me.

However, respawn at 10 am on a vacation day = win, next week ill work though, can we have this moved one day please ;-)

[Supreme]

So how many people in Red Dawn have been banned for violating PNP policy? Just curious since Nilly is at 3 that I know of.

Zero.

Nihilum does not participate in petition wars to compete. We would rather just work it out ingame.

The dead and defeated losers fraps, screenshot and petition everything they can to try and compete.

This too shall pass.

[Kraftwerk]

But didnt Nilly lose pvp in SolB as well as have people suspended for violating PNP?

[Supreme]

But didnt Nilly lose pvp in SolB as well as have people suspended for violating PNP?

People are suspended when they fraps, screenshot and petition war instead of just handling it ingame.

Nihilum does not participate in this kind of petty crybaby behavior.

[heartbrand]

People are suspended when they fraps, screenshot and petition war instead of just handling it ingame.

Nihilum does not participate in this kind of petty crybaby behavior.

Noah petitioned Clayton for not leaving neriak immediately after being killed, so that's factually untrue. When I was guilded they also petitioned Colgate for speed hacking no less then a dozen times, ender also frapsed and petitioned Kringe for screen dragging I can only imagine how times they've petitioned lite for alleged boxing. The infamous petition you guys made in plane of fear when lethdar gave you a taste of your own medicine etc. Save the propaganda bro no one is buying it.

[Elderan]

Noah petitioned Clayton for not leaving neriak immediately after being killed, so that's factually untrue. When I was guilded they also petitioned Colgate for speed hacking no less then a dozen times, ender also frapsed and petitioned Kringe for screen dragging I can only imagine how times they've petitioned lite for alleged boxing. The infamous petition you guys made in plane of fear when lethdar gave you a taste of your own medicine etc. Save the propaganda bro no one is buying it.

Listen, solb was a nice fight. No trains etc..

Then we went to regroup outside and the stupid petition questing happened. All you had to do was zone out and clear the remaining people in lavastorm but you didn't. You relied on GMs to grief us.

I know this has been your plan all along. You want to change the rule because you cannot compete with Nihilum on the same level.

[mcappy]

LNS shouldn't apply in group fights until one side wins. If RD wipes Nihilum, they should have an opportunity to get their shit and leave, and vice versa. Nobody should be punished for a kill (naked or not) during an ongoing fight. That's the same shit that had Andis screaming last week.

GMs have brains, and they're obviously going to be watching any big fight between RD. I don't think it's particularly difficult to tell when one side or the other is corpse camping or bind rushing.

Or, you could go with Mac (and just about everyone else) and eliminate 90% of the problems by changing LNS from implied to requested.


Tune finally got what the fuck he deserved, he has single handedly griefed more then 200 players off the server by running around in vp gear killing people at lvl 52, Elderans old leaderboard proved it, you could track his stats there, around 480 / 4 and 90% of those kills were on no bodys trying to level up

Pras the oyster world, smedy is coming back soon

If it's not ok for 60s to kill 52s then why the fuck can 60s attack 52s? You're just using arbitrary and obviously biased criteria. Is it ok for 60s to kill 52s if they're not VP geared, or if they only kill so many?

[Elderan]

LNS shouldn't apply in group fights until one side wins. If RD wipes Nihilum, they should have an opportunity to get their shit and leave, and vice versa. Nobody should be punished for a kill (naked or not) during an ongoing fight. That's the same shit that had Andis screaming last week.

GMs have brains, and they're obviously going to be watching any big fight between RD. I don't think it's particularly difficult to tell when one side or the other is corpse camping or bind rushing.

Or, you could go with Mac (and just about everyone else) and eliminate 90% of the problems by changing LNS from implied to requested.


If it's not ok for 60s to kill 52s then why the fuck can 60s attack 52s? You're just using arbitrary and obviously biased criteria. Is it ok for 60s to kill 52s if they're not VP geared, or if they only kill so many?

I thought the gms would use common sense in mass pvp as well.

However they didnt..

[Kraftwerk]

I thought the gms would use common sense in mass pvp as well.

However they didnt..

I can't believe GMs put up with this moran's toxic anti-GM behavior all the time. A less patient man would have forum banned him ages ago.

[Elderan]

I can't believe GMs put up with this moran's toxic anti-GM behavior all the time. A less patient man would have forum banned him ages ago.

I know you dont pvp other then ganking people but in mass pvp things are crazy. Some guy who just looted and walked into a group of 20 people pvping there is a good chance he is going to get killed again.

Sirken said accidental killings are OK and common sense should be used.. However GMs common sense was not used in this case.

Spectre was banned in Lavastorm and did not kill a single naked person or anyone twice.

[Kraftwerk]

Andis got suspended for same thing, dealt with, cried for a bit but still dealt with it.

Why can't you be as honorable as Andis?

[Zalaerian]

Listen, solb was a nice fight. No trains etc..

Then we went to regroup outside and the stupid petition questing happened. All you had to do was zone out and clear the remaining people in lavastorm but you didn't. You relied on GMs to grief us.

I know this has been your plan all along. You want to change the rule because you cannot compete with Nihilum on the same level.

Why would we zone out to LS. We had zone control of Sol B and LNS protected us from any real re engage while our 52s slew the dragon...

[Elderan]

Why would we zone out to LS. We had zone control of Sol B and LNS protected us from any real re engage while our 52s slew the dragon...

LNS is not intended to be a shield so you can funnel new people to your raid.

[Zalaerian]

You could have attacked with anyone who didn't die. LNS is by player, not guild....yet. I ran my necro in with DAs. Completely legit and as the rule intends. Any of our crew who died could not have engaged if you attacked

[Supreme]

PVP was not allowed to dictate the outcome but instead GM PNP.

I get the premise that they want to encourage *growth* and feel the only way is to "ban" people do not follow PNP and allow other guilds the chance at content.

But this is Red99 which was the market choice for players to not have GM involvement to resolve PVE matters.

[Danien]

PVP was not allowed to dictate the outcome but instead GM PNP.

I get the premise that they want to encourage *growth* and feel the only way is to "ban" people do not follow PNP and allow other guilds the chance at content.

But this is Red99 which was the market choice for players to not have GM involvement to resolve PVE matters.

If you really think people started here due to the premise of there being no CSR I'll just settle with a simple; Wow.

[runlvlzero]

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.


LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

LNS should he requested not always on. People should have to ooc for LnS and then GTFO.

Also +/-4 levels, item loot, classic resists, FFA, NO RULES

But since the server want's, needs law and order from the GMs, at least make people call for LnS in /shout in zone. And give people warnings before suspending, 1 accidently kill on an LnS cause you zoned in 2 seconds later and saw the other guy running out is dumb to suspend on. I know you guys want to drive home that this is your server and players obey, but this is a trivial issue being made intense and dramatic without need.

[Zalaerian]

PVP was not allowed to dictate the outcome but instead GM PNP.

I get the premise that they want to encourage *growth* and feel the only way is to "ban" people do not follow PNP and allow other guilds the chance at content.

But this is Red99 which was the market choice for players to not have GM involvement to resolve PVE matters.

We can always go back to classic and just train your raids non stop w 2-3 people like holocaust days. O wait you guys cried about that too.

[Ryko]

Also +/-4 levels, item loot, classic resists, FFA, NO RULES

But since the server want's, needs law and order from the GMs, at least make people call for LnS in /shout in zone. And give people warnings before suspending, 1 accidently kill on an LnS cause you zoned in 2 seconds later and saw the other guy running out is dumb to suspend on. I know you guys want to drive home that this is your server and players obey, but this is a trivial issue being made intense and dramatic without need.

I think the biggest issue at hand here is that Runlvlzero must be back on his medication, because lately he has made a hell of a lot of sense

[Holey]

Andis got suspended for same thing, dealt with, cried for a bit but still dealt with it.

Why can't you be as honorable as Andis?

honorable as andis? when he bitched and cried in sooooo many threads? LOL at that

[Not_Kazowi]

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

I ran through lava storm on my cleric for naggy and got ganked. I ran back looted and nihilum were trying to force me to LNS to nektulos instead of solb. You can't tell me where to zone. If I die in lava storm then I can scoot to a zone of my preference.

They tried to snare me and attack me but I resisted and ran into solb. You guys wonder why ban hammers were laid down? Because you do shit like that. Serves you right

[vouss]

Listen

stopped reading right there

[Elderan]

I ran through lava storm on my cleric for naggy and got ganked. I ran back looted and nihilum were trying to force me to LNS to nektulos instead of solb. You can't tell me where to zone. If I die in lava storm then I can scoot to a zone of my preference.

There is the massive flaw in the current LNS..

[Kraftwerk]

There is the massive flaw in the current LNS..

You are only saying that because you lost in SolB and couldn't do the same thing with roles reversed.

[mcappy]

I ran through lava storm on my cleric for naggy and got ganked. I ran back looted and nihilum were trying to force me to LNS to nektulos instead of solb. You can't tell me where to zone. If I die in lava storm then I can scoot to a zone of my preference.

They tried to snare me and attack me but I resisted and ran into solb. You guys wonder why ban hammers were laid down? Because you do shit like that. Serves you right

That could be more of a gray area than you're making it out to be (at least with how I always thought LNS rules were applied).

How I see it:
A fight over a contested mob can span multiple zones, and until one side loses (i.e. has to LNS because they lack the ability to rez/loot their dead on their own), zone lines alone don't dictate what 'scooting' means. Example - Nihilum backs out to lavastorm while waiting for help in order to block reinforcements, but did not have to invoke LNS. If they're still fighting over Nagafen, zoning into solb isn't 'scooting'.

This is hypothetical - if they DID LNS out of solb they no longer have claim enough to consider that a contested zone, in which case you'd be 'scooting' out of lavastorm, not out of the Nagafen fight.


How it's being enforced:
LNS is defined entirely by the zone you're in with no consideration given to what you're actually fighting over.


Now, I haven't participated in any of these fights. To be honest, I'm getting discouraged about leveling up at all - it feels like even if I do my best to keep pvp grief-free I'll cross some line I didn't know existed and get suspended or banned outright. It makes me want to avoid pvping altogether.

[Elderan]

You are only saying that because you lost in SolB and couldn't do the same thing with roles reversed.

Wrong..

We would have zoned out and took control of lavastorm too..

[Nirgon]

However in mass pvp it is a TOTAL nightmare


Yes when it is people's goal to try to break the rules or rule lawyer, yes.

But if you treat it like dodge ball and sit out when you are killed like a gentleman, you will be fine.

I never trained people on my wizard when I played here. I did on 2 occasions assist mobs in finishing a player, very intentionally, but this was because they were people who constantly tried to do the same to me or attack me constantly throughout the day. I only scummed one person who needed to be scummed (allegedly Tune).

See what I did there? You guys will corpse camp/raid invade ANYONE who shows ANY chance of coming near you content wise (planar clears/Naggy). Stop being scum bags. I know you can't and you won't, but hopefully Sirken and company won't have to ban you rule breakers too many times before they realize you will never reform.

[chu]

blah blah blah new rules r dumb
lets just settle disputes via pvp like we were born to do

[Bamz4l]

How it's being enforced:
LNS is defined entirely by the zone you're in with no consideration given to what you're actually fighting over.


Now, I haven't participated in any of these fights.

That is completely wrong. How you could get it so wrong? Oh right, you weren't at any of these fights.

Yesterday GM's were broadcasting that if u got YT'd in either of the zones, u need to clear out of both of them! Then an hour later, a few RD died in neriak Commons but got suspended because scooting to Neriak Foreign Quarters wasn't far enough apparently.

[Ames who?]

LNS works well in small pvp situations. It is easy to tell who is dead, coming back for corpse recovery and such.

However in mass pvp it is a TOTAL nightmare. It is impossible for someone to see a geared person in the middle of 20-40 people and know if they just looted their stuff when pvp action is still happening.

Also LNS is being used as a shield. Here is the example from tonight. After the main battle in Solb, Nihilum zoned our the remaining 12-16 people and Red Dawn did not follow. Nihilum then controlled Lavastorm while Red Dawn controlled Solb. Our goal was to prevent them from adding more people to their raid and luring them out into Lavastorm to negate their numbers, we also had reinforcements coming. Red Dawn had people coming from Nek to add to their raid. We would kill them in Lavastorm. Then they would come back and we could not touch them, they would loot and then walk into Solb and add to Red Dawns existing raid.

According to LNS once you die in pvp if you are ressed in you must LNS. This is IMPOSSIBLE to track. Meaning you cannot combat ress.

By far the easiest solution for this is to just disable LNS for any raids greater than 12 people.


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[Ames who?]

Shut your bluebie ass up. You are exactly what I am talking about. Clueless to classic pvp. 90s bluebie babies will never understand how it works. Sit on your blue server and compare pixels with online friends, faggot.

Your body is not ready you mexican faygit. You will wish you looked this good at my age.


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AWW YEAHH

[Ames who?]

Keep thinkin about me.

stop PMing me and asking what my workout routine is. Mexicans are not allowed to join crossfit anyway.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

good thread, elderan posting furiously at the loss of dragons

[SamwiseRed]

Yes when it is people's goal to try to break the rules or rule lawyer, yes.

But if you treat it like dodge ball and sit out when you are killed like a gentleman, you will be fine.

I never trained people on my wizard when I played here. I did on 2 occasions assist mobs in finishing a player, very intentionally, but this was because they were people who constantly tried to do the same to me or attack me constantly throughout the day. I only scummed one person who needed to be scummed (allegedly Tune).

See what I did there? You guys will corpse camp/raid invade ANYONE who shows ANY chance of coming near you content wise (planar clears/Naggy). Stop being scum bags. I know you can't and you won't, but hopefully Sirken and company won't have to ban you rule breakers too many times before they realize you will never reform.

Dodge ball a good analogy for this. Eldarmoran strikes again with this Lulzy thread

[Darksinga]

Forward Lns should be a bannable offense.


Hows custom PnP working for you pals?

[Darksinga]

I ran through lava storm on my cleric for naggy and got ganked. I ran back looted and nihilum were trying to force me to LNS to nektulos instead of solb. You can't tell me where to zone. If I die in lava storm then I can scoot to a zone of my preference.

They tried to snare me and attack me but I resisted and ran into solb. You guys wonder why ban hammers were laid down? Because you do shit like that. Serves you right

Wasnt legal on live Rexxy boy. Its called forward LnS which we all know is bullshit

[k9quaint]

Typical Nihilum. They lose, then blame the rules.
If Nihilum had won the fight, they would have gotten Naggy. They lost.

BTW, it isn't hard to stay unbanned during raids. See someone naked, don't kill them. See someone looting their corpse, don't kill them. See GM announce his presence in OOC, follow the rules.

[HippoNipple]

Wasnt legal on live Rexxy boy. Its called forward LnS which we all know is bullshit

That's bs, you fight for the zone you want. If you want SolB then pvp there. Might as well just corpse camp people in Erudin and say the Nihilum members were headed to raid zone, forward LnS rules.

[Darksinga]

Dont be dumb Hippo, even though I have pals in your guild I can definitely see you guys are using these custom PnP rules to your advantage. Whether you died LS or Sol B you were engaged in a mass pvp zone control fight over Nagafen. PNP is supposed to encourage honorable friendly pvp. How is, say for ex, zoning out from sol b at 5% and dying in LS encouraging honorable pvp? Gms had good intentions but banning the competition for playing by the way they did on live is bullshit. At this rate RD will win the box and become the new Nihilum only for the server to be a dead one guild box again.

[AmukTZ]

QQ

[Slathar]

so much complaining over a free to play emulation of a 14 year old computer game. if you dont like it, i suggest you stop playing. otherwise, deal with the rules in place.

[Eslade]

I felt a great disturbance in the the jimmies, as if tens of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear many jimmies were rustled.