Remove exp bonus;pvp range;solb;permafrost

[Nizzarr]

The exp bonus just ruins lvl 1-50, can even argue it ruins 50-60. Theres no sense of community, nobody helping each other at those level since you group with somebody and the next day they got 10 level on you and you cant group anymore.

There's no more journey as everybody gets to the high level really fast and pretty much quit because a) they never had time to make friends/ennemies b) they get ganked by 60s at lvl 52s.

Remove bard low hp kiting -- this is all people does on red to level. OT --> DL --> burningwood 1-2 levels every kite. Shit is ridiculous.

On live, it took awhile to level up, youd have time to group with a lot more people for a longer time. You'd fight the PKs for a longer time and get to know people. Maybe some people would find some security knowing the guys they grouped with last night will still be there the next day.

You should also put the pvp range as +4/-4.

Also make solb/permafrost a normal zone. Theres no need for 60s to grief people in there.

just some ranting.

Nizzarr

[Rellapse36]

So p much remove exp bonus b/c RD members all are nearly reaching lvl 60 and youre scared?

[Stasis01]

Personally I've seen the opposite, 50-60 is brutal, even the lower levels take forever - considering level range is 8 and you have people like Tune roaming zones to ruin EXP grps, and the lack of EXP grps - the grind is way worse than on blue, especially for non solo classes.

That bonus doesn't even come close to compensate for the obstacles the box faces.

[iiNGloriouS]

So p much remove exp bonus b/c RD members all are nearly reaching lvl 60 and your scared?

Need bigger exp bonuses in permafrost, not enough ice giants dying

[Stasis01]

Hence the post "Red Dawn I unleash Tune on you" Aka the level 60 max geared bard who is very skilled and plays 16 hrs a day to farm EXP grps.

I think this is a troll - I am not sure though.

[Tradesonred]

Again, nihilum asking for something, alarm bells should ring off

Wanna solve soloing, add group xp bonus

[Rellapse36]

Troll thread. He is smiling so hard right now his yellow teeth is blinding him from the reflection on his computer screen.

[freez]

So p much remove exp bonus b/c RD members all are nearly reaching lvl 60 and youre scared?

ehhhhhzaaaktly

[Eslade]

You should also put the pvp range as +4/-4.

Also make solb/permafrost a normal zone. There's no need for 60's to grief people in there. Until then, I'll tell my guild to stop going there for the sole purpose of griefing xp groups.

Nizzarr

ftfy

[rusty81]

I agree with you on this subject... However the other side would be more people moving to blue. Don't think the population can support lower xp at this time.

[iiNGloriouS]

Crabbers stop hush your sexy lil gnome body. :P

[rusty81]

MmmmMmm Sexy Gnome body!

[Holey]

Hence the post "Red Dawn I unleash Tune on you" Aka the level 60 max geared bard who is very skilled and plays 16 hrs a day to farm EXP grps.

I think this is a troll - I am not sure though.

hey tune he called u skilled,
:D

[freez]

lmao

[Eslade]

hey tune he called u skilled,
:D

If the entire quote is true, I'd hope that I'd be skilled in something that I do 16 hours a day also.

[freez]

tune never got a killshot before full bis and top level


skill? dats a good 1

[iiNGloriouS]

tune never got a killshot before full bis and top level


skill? dats a good 1

#jodysbestbard :P

[Stasis01]

Remove bonus, enable boxing - then everyone can box a cleric or ench and grps will be going around the clock.

[Kastro]

Remove bonus, enable boxing - then everyone can box a cleric or ench and grps will be going around the clock.

Truth..... playing on a low pop server without boxing is enough to make me want to /wrist in frustration........ Kinda funny thinking about it.... When the server was new and i was playing pretty much euro times.. . having to run from guk to Mistmoore or misty was enough to just take the risk of exploiting the shit out certain exp spots..... instead of trying to grind in a group... much more rewarding too.

[Dullah]

Agree with everything in OP cept 4 level range for pvp. 4 level range would be horrible unless it came with an flagging system.

8 levels is classic, or no level range at all. Only 1 of 4 pvp servers had 4 lvl range and it was because the server had item loot.

Solb, perma, seb should not be FFA unless a raid mob is present. Being able to grief people 20+ levels under you is bad.

On the same token, Karnors should be FFA when VS is up.

[iiNGloriouS]

Sooooo what's your opinion on /stick and being able to backstab from any angle?

[Colgate]

it's real funny how blatantly obvious it is that nihilum wants a dead server to farm uncontested pixels on

they are truly the banned/exiled from the blue server

[Eslade]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/group-cry.gif
Nihilum after Heartbrand reformed Red Dawn.

[heartbrand]

I tried to not bother reading any post other than the OP to avoid the Nilly vs Everyone shit. For the level range and sol b / perma, couldn't agree more. For the EXP bonus, I would like to see a group bonus instead, but removing the bonus would be brutal. When you roll a toon on Red, you are in an empty newb zone, with likely empty connecting zones, and almost no shot at finding groups. All lowering the exp bonus will do is force people to do PL's more than they already do. We need to fundamentally fix the reason people don't roll here, which is the desolate zones. Destin's idea of a box allowed for sub level 50 is a great idea.

[Nizzarr]

so we could box lvl 49 clerics on raids? nice

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

exp bonus don't matter as there is no reason to level on red99

[Not_Kazowi]

Take the exp bonus out and end bard kiting?

Convenient and easy to say now that you are 60 and in a guild full of 60s.

Anyone who plays here and is not 60 now already has a hard enough time to level and "make friends''

Sorry dude but this isn't live where there are multiple exp groups in each zone your level. You are forced to solo or hope you can scrape a group together in some desolate zone.


Bard kiting? Your guild did this the most, so pretty shitty of you to push for having it taken out after your guild got to benefit from it for 2 years.

Honestly if XP bonus gets taken out, i wont play here. Leveling is already too difficult. We arent in highschool or college anymore, I can't spend 5 hours a day 4 days a week to get to 60.

Nizarr and these other no lifers look at things through a pair of nerd glasses, they play 18 hours a day and expect people who can only log on casually to fit their mold.

You need to put yourself in other peoples shoes. Try and understand that an XP bonus encourages more players to log in and start on the server.

[Dullah]

Add boxing up to 2 accounts only if neither account has a character over level 45. This would prohibit boxing in planes or in any high end content, but allow players to level up when theres a lack of groups (when is there not?).

[HeisChuck]

LOL @ REMOVE XP BONUSES

[heartbrand]

Hi chuck

[Sektor]

let me get Sektorzz 60 first then take it out

[HeisChuck]

Hi chuck

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ee49tFjt1rcj5q5o1_500.gif

[DrRoach]

take away exp penalty for hybrids. zero bonus for wis and int caster if solo. big bonus for full groups. yay

[Dullah]

Imagine players actually seeking out other players to group with them due to the lack of bonus while solo.

[heartbrand]

Imagine players actually seeking out other players to group with them due to the lack of bonus while solo.

Cool concept but monumentally unfair to the many red dawn now leveling trying to catch up to compete against a guild who had the benefit of the bonus.

[DrRoach]

Cool concept but monumentally unfair to the many red dawn now leveling trying to catch up to compete against a guild who had the benefit of the bonus.

what happened to your sig where you bragged about deleting and stripping people, wiping the shit off your armor doesnt make you a white knight

[magician]

I agree with everything you said Nizzar. Hopefully next patch they will put all of this in.

[heartbrand]

what happened to your sig where you bragged about deleting and stripping people, wiping the shit off your armor doesnt make you a white knight

the sig change made it undisplayable, but I see that sarcasm goes over ur head

[Clark]

exp bonus don't matter as there is no reason to level on red99

lol

[Nirgon]

The exp bonus just ruins lvl 1-50, can even argue it ruins 50-60. Theres no sense of community, nobody helping each other at those level since you group with somebody and the next day they got 10 level on you and you cant group anymore.

There's no more journey as everybody gets to the high level really fast and pretty much quit because a) they never had time to make friends/ennemies b) they get ganked by 60s at lvl 52s.

Remove bard low hp kiting -- this is all people does on red to level. OT --> DL --> burningwood 1-2 levels every kite. Shit is ridiculous.

On live, it took awhile to level up, youd have time to group with a lot more people for a longer time. You'd fight the PKs for a longer time and get to know people. Maybe some people would find some security knowing the guys they grouped with last night will still be there the next day.

You should also put the pvp range as +4/-4.

Also make solb/permafrost a normal zone. Theres no need for 60s to grief people in there.

just some ranting.

Nizzarr


I actually agree with all of this.

[Nirgon]

Agree with everything in OP cept 4 level range for pvp. 4 level range would be horrible unless it came with an flagging system.

8 levels is classic, or no level range at all. Only 1 of 4 pvp servers had 4 lvl range and it was because the server had item loot.

Solb, perma, seb should not be FFA unless a raid mob is present. Being able to grief people 20+ levels under you is bad.

On the same token, Karnors should be FFA when VS is up.

And this isn't just ripe with self interest.

They had 4 lvls on an FFA server and 8 on teams servers. Try to figure out why.

[Retti_]

4 lvls because of item loot on a 8 lvl range being silly

But I still think 52 vs 60 is lolworthy, is it by design? Or is the programming side making levels too heavily weighted?

[Nirgon]

Maybe cuz of item loot but consider RZ wasn't the only server ever with item loot... think teams (which should be 8 lvls, no item loot)...

[Lime]

None of these changes work unless you have a fresh server. Nerfing experience after people have multiple 60's in vp gear just puts newer players at a bigger disadvantage. Not only that but new players cannot easily aquire many items that older players had access too. (Guises for large races, manastones, fungi staff, lockets of escape, etc.)

I think a 4 level limit will get abused, but what ruleset doesn't.

[Nirgon]

None of these changes work unless you have a fresh server.

Let's stick to what they might do now Big Lime. Input always apprec'd doe.

[Swish]

I support any changes that get made, but only if I can rant about them afterwards and say how bad they were retrospectively.

[Nirgon]

I think any level range isn't going to provide enough pvp on a server with ALMOST NO ONE ON IT.

YA DIG!?

Why is Tune chasing around lvl 52s a good thing?

[Goobles]

Should insert a code where whoever heals or casts a spell on an oor player, they are eligible for pvp.

hence 39 cleric casting ch on 60 war in pvp is now eligible for slaughter.

[Brokabb]

aka remove everything that benefits players trying to catch up to nihilum.

[Goobles]

The exp bonus just ruins lvl 1-50, can even argue it ruins 50-60. Theres no sense of community, nobody helping each other at those level since you group with somebody and the next day they got 10 level on you and you cant group anymore.

There's no more journey as everybody gets to the high level really fast and pretty much quit because a) they never had time to make friends/ennemies b) they get ganked by 60s at lvl 52s.


Sure, if the server had 1000 people on it, and zones were populated, perhaps removing the xp bonus would make sense

[Brokabb]

jizzar looking out for the little guy even tho his day revolves around harry potter mapping it around with tune looking for groups of 52s to to train, exp kill, or slay

[Fawqueue]

Some of these are good ideas. Lets wipe the box and try it...for science.

[Tradesonred]

i would love to see how jizzar did his leveling.. p sure involved a quite a few PL's and no "journey" bs

Yeah it involves a monk chain pulling in Sol

[Silikten]

Hence the post "Red Dawn I unleash Tune on you" Aka the level 60 max geared bard who is very skilled and plays 16 hrs a day to farm EXP grps.

I think this is a troll - I am not sure though.


Not sure if srs. He isn't bad, but he is in no way very skilled. He is just experienced. Having gone through nearly all situations vs complete noobs, he tends to be able to kill a 52 ( with fucked up resists aka bard songs landing). He rarely kills a 60, and even more rarely kills an equal geared 60.

But yes, he can farm 52's as an epic 60 rog can kill groups of them.

[vouss]

People solo now because groups xp sucks. Why would lowering XP make shitty xp any more desirable?

[Colgate]

i would love to see how jizzar did his leveling.. p sure involved a quite a few PL's and no "journey" bs

it involved exploiting rechargable red wood wands on guards when the guards dropped more money than it took to recharge the wands and exploiting pathing in lower guk at the evil eye camp

[Clark]

I support any changes that get made, but only if I can rant about them afterwards and say how bad they were retrospectively.

[Kergan]

Not sure if srs. He isn't bad, but he is in no way very skilled. He is just experienced. Having gone through nearly all situations vs complete noobs, he tends to be able to kill a 52 ( with fucked up resists aka bard songs landing). He rarely kills a 60, and even more rarely kills an equal geared 60.

But yes, he can farm 52's as an epic 60 rog can kill groups of them.

Can't blame him because the only people close to his gear level are guilded with him. You also can't blame him for the resist system. And EQ "skill" is really what you outlined above. This isn't a twitch game, it is 100% situational awareness and knowing how to counter - especially as a caster/bard. There are plenty of other players with the same opportunity/gear level/class to record as many kills as he does and they just don't. The guy is good at what he does plain and simple, even Stasis respects that.

One thing I will say though is make sure you're not at low health as a melee if you're chasing someone down with Tune or you gonna get blown up dirge style. He gets the bloodlust!

[Nirgon]

A sad day when the Duke and I see eye to eye on a classic feature and it gets put in RNF (soon, TM).

#Whattabox.

[Butthead]

it shoulda been kept classic like it was supposed to be.

project1999 man... now look at it... xp bonus should of NEVER been put in. now that its in tho, it would be unfair to take it away after so many got to use it.


can the gm's make more of a voting / forum discussion on game changes?
the people who hit max lvl and have been grinding from server launch are gettin a smack upside the head.. ppl can join now and get to max in half the time lol, yet they're still complaining and its being made evn easier for em.

dieing to trains, exp deaths, naked killls. was all natural for the most part. and yea somtimes gm's do need to make some norrath altering decisions, but inform us more plzz.
red99 aint that big, the holiday 25% xp got around real fast... the pnp jus started fights and got ppl banned. (evn the ppl we wer fighting with disagreed with the ban, the population is low enough, we need to get More ppl here, not push them away)

[Butthead]

also, i do however agree group exp buff should be increased a slight bit?
i solo'd 98% of the time on here. only group i had that was full was random sol b crap and for raids.

even people in guild wer all solo'ing. groups always seemed to lack one specific classtype. either healer or tank would b mia.



ps, i shuda listened to you nirgon >< ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[s1ckness]

Remove bard low hp kiting -- this is all people does on red to level. OT --> DL --> burningwood 1-2 levels every kite. Shit is ridiculous.





Nizzarr

man is this guy serious?

nihilum is the only guild thats done bard kiting for months in BW and now that they got alts 60 they wanna cry about it so others cant do it?

[s1ckness]

Remove bonus, enable boxing - then everyone can box a cleric or ench and grps will be going around the clock.

[s1ckness]

stasis with a great idea

boxing was classic

[Quiet]

We have GM's?

Quiet - Ranger

[heartbrand]

stasis on to something here. if you would allow 2 boxing for clerics/chanters we wouldn't need an exp bonus and the server would thrive with tons of groups and pvp.

[heartbrand]

This is what gets me. This server is capped @ like 150 people actually playing max. What possible harm could come from trying something like 2 boxing for even a two week period? What irreparable harm is going to occur? Just give it a shot and see what happens. Same with a lot of these possible changes.

[Quiet]

Bunch of level 60s running around fighting level 60s with a 51 cleric/shaman in Tow. Want to fix the server? Ban Tune. Install a rotation so someone else can catch up in gear / levels, make seb / KC a no pvp zone 4 days a week. Make level range +/- 4. Ban all known grief bringing fucks, Start with the top 10-15 of the pvp leaderboard = Gone. Nerf the shit out of bards in pvp. Make it so they are stunningly worthless. There's no excuse for the state of red99 compared to blue99. No excuse for the gap in gear from guild 1 vs guild 2, no excuse for the lack of oversight by the "staff" No excuse for 1085 players on one server vs 150 on another. Absolutely no excuse for one guild to be in total control of every raid mob because they have the times spread out perfectly and log in 50 players for 6 hours every 3 days and then log out until the next pops are due. No excuse for there being 4-6 classes unable to complete their epic EVER unless they manage to level an entire guild to 60, and win a 60 vs 50 pvp fight with less gear, to get the items they need. Or pay homage to the guild in the form of 100k+ plat, or have to join that guild as well and become part of the problem. If that is the destination of the server, I suggest you allow nizzar full access to all GM accounts with ban permissions and ability to change server levels, exp bonus, zone mods and make mobs spawn as he sees fit. Change the name of the server to Nihilum's box and make it clear on the welcome MOTD that the only path is that of Nihilum. That way others can at least find a different box or maybe someone else will create one.

[Nizzarr]

Bunch of level 60s running around fighting level 60s with a 51 cleric/shaman in Tow. Want to fix the server? Ban Tune. Install a rotation so someone else can catch up in gear / levels, make seb / KC a no pvp zone 4 days a week. Make level range +/- 4. Ban all known grief bringing fucks, Start with the top 10-15 of the pvp leaderboard = Gone. Nerf the shit out of bards in pvp. Make it so they are stunningly worthless. There's no excuse for the state of red99 compared to blue99. No excuse for the gap in gear from guild 1 vs guild 2, no excuse for the lack of oversight by the "staff" No excuse for 1085 players on one server vs 150 on another. Absolutely no excuse for one guild to be in total control of every raid mob because they have the times spread out perfectly and log in 50 players for 6 hours every 3 days and then log out until the next pops are due. No excuse for there being 4-6 classes unable to complete their epic EVER unless they manage to level an entire guild to 60, and win a 60 vs 50 pvp fight with less gear, to get the items they need. Or pay homage to the guild in the form of 100k+ plat, or have to join that guild as well and become part of the problem. If that is the destination of the server, I suggest you allow nizzar full access to all GM accounts with ban permissions and ability to change server levels, exp bonus, zone mods and make mobs spawn as he sees fit. Change the name of the server to Nihilum's box and make it clear on the welcome MOTD that the only path is that of Nihilum. That way others can at least find a different box or maybe someone else will create one.

lol oh wow hahahaha

[iiNGloriouS]

Bunch of level 60s running around fighting level 60s with a 51 cleric/shaman in Tow. Want to fix the server? Ban Tune. Install a rotation so someone else can catch up in gear / levels, make seb / KC a no pvp zone 4 days a week. Make level range +/- 4. Ban all known grief bringing fucks, Start with the top 10-15 of the pvp leaderboard = Gone. Nerf the shit out of bards in pvp. Make it so they are stunningly worthless. There's no excuse for the state of red99 compared to blue99. No excuse for the gap in gear from guild 1 vs guild 2, no excuse for the lack of oversight by the "staff" No excuse for 1085 players on one server vs 150 on another. Absolutely no excuse for one guild to be in total control of every raid mob because they have the times spread out perfectly and log in 50 players for 6 hours every 3 days and then log out until the next pops are due. No excuse for there being 4-6 classes unable to complete their epic EVER unless they manage to level an entire guild to 60, and win a 60 vs 50 pvp fight with less gear, to get the items they need. Or pay homage to the guild in the form of 100k+ plat, or have to join that guild as well and become part of the problem. If that is the destination of the server, I suggest you allow nizzar full access to all GM accounts with ban permissions and ability to change server levels, exp bonus, zone mods and make mobs spawn as he sees fit. Change the name of the server to Nihilum's box and make it clear on the welcome MOTD that the only path is that of Nihilum. That way others can at least find a different box or maybe someone else will create one.

Please separate your paragraphs, make dem readable. :) Forumquesting noooooob

[heartbrand]

Ya dunno bout all dat Quiet. Red Dawn making gains and will be giving Nihilum a run for their money soon. Don't need to turn this into a blue server in order to do so.

[Quiet]

I don't disagree we are making gains. Just so far behind, shouldn't have to make an entire guild of 50 + that level to 60, to enjoy the game while fending off leech, grief and Nilly.

[Mac Dretti]

Bunch of level 60s running around fighting level 60s with a 51 cleric/shaman in Tow. Want to fix the server? Ban Tune. Install a rotation so someone else can catch up in gear / levels, make seb / KC a no pvp zone 4 days a week. Make level range +/- 4. Ban all known grief bringing fucks, Start with the top 10-15 of the pvp leaderboard = Gone. Nerf the shit out of bards in pvp. Make it so they are stunningly worthless. There's no excuse for the state of red99 compared to blue99. No excuse for the gap in gear from guild 1 vs guild 2, no excuse for the lack of oversight by the "staff" No excuse for 1085 players on one server vs 150 on another. Absolutely no excuse for one guild to be in total control of every raid mob because they have the times spread out perfectly and log in 50 players for 6 hours every 3 days and then log out until the next pops are due. No excuse for there being 4-6 classes unable to complete their epic EVER unless they manage to level an entire guild to 60, and win a 60 vs 50 pvp fight with less gear, to get the items they need. Or pay homage to the guild in the form of 100k+ plat, or have to join that guild as well and become part of the problem. If that is the destination of the server, I suggest you allow nizzar full access to all GM accounts with ban permissions and ability to change server levels, exp bonus, zone mods and make mobs spawn as he sees fit. Change the name of the server to Nihilum's box and make it clear on the welcome MOTD that the only path is that of Nihilum. That way others can at least find a different box or maybe someone else will create one.

http://i56.tinypic.com/24mgax3.gif

[Hateraid]

Bunch of level 60s running around fighting level 60s with a 51 cleric/shaman in Tow. Want to fix the server? Ban Tune. Install a rotation so someone else can catch up in gear / levels, make seb / KC a no pvp zone 4 days a week. Make level range +/- 4. Ban all known grief bringing fucks, Start with the top 10-15 of the pvp leaderboard = Gone. Nerf the shit out of bards in pvp. Make it so they are stunningly worthless. There's no excuse for the state of red99 compared to blue99. No excuse for the gap in gear from guild 1 vs guild 2, no excuse for the lack of oversight by the "staff" No excuse for 1085 players on one server vs 150 on another. Absolutely no excuse for one guild to be in total control of every raid mob because they have the times spread out perfectly and log in 50 players for 6 hours every 3 days and then log out until the next pops are due. No excuse for there being 4-6 classes unable to complete their epic EVER unless they manage to level an entire guild to 60, and win a 60 vs 50 pvp fight with less gear, to get the items they need. Or pay homage to the guild in the form of 100k+ plat, or have to join that guild as well and become part of the problem. If that is the destination of the server, I suggest you allow nizzar full access to all GM accounts with ban permissions and ability to change server levels, exp bonus, zone mods and make mobs spawn as he sees fit. Change the name of the server to Nihilum's box and make it clear on the welcome MOTD that the only path is that of Nihilum. That way others can at least find a different box or maybe someone else will create one.

Wow! You are crazy, and stupid at the same time. That's a lot coming out of the mouth of someone named Quiet. STFU.

[Aenor]

This thread is about Nizzar's concerns for the Red99 community.

[Clark]

http://i56.tinypic.com/24mgax3.gif

lol

[Kergan]

I don't disagree we are making gains. Just so far behind, shouldn't have to make an entire guild of 50 + that level to 60, to enjoy the game while fending off leech, grief and Nilly.

A lot of what you're asking for is already enabled...on blue.

[runlvlzero]

I know this thread is like page 5 now but I agree with Nizzar's OP 100%, I'm glad the #1 guildmaster on the server is seeing the light.

[mcappy]

Ya dunno bout all dat Quiet. Red Dawn making gains and will be giving Nihilum a run for their money soon. Don't need to turn this into a blue server in order to do so.

Then why are you guys still begging for variance?

[Holey]

Then why are you guys still begging for variance?

ITS a troll, it wont happen on red

[Tassador]

So if you afk and get killed are you auto Lns or can you get corpse and remain fighting? If you say Lns then you should have to leave. But if no Lns is said can we just fight like men?

[Nizzarr]

bump fix these things

[Awwalike]

gets friend banned for RMT
says get rid of xp bonus
uses 6 people to PL banned RMTer
takes up whole zone
leaves no mobs for newcomers XPing

bloomin time

[Mac Dretti]

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s659/jahmil212/Mad_*****_Dance_zps8e6ae498.gif