Noble Dojorn Rotation

[Splorf22]

I posted this in the raid poll thread, but I think it deserves its own.

As long as we are discussing rotations and things, I seem to remember back in my VD days we had an agreement (with TMO) not to kill the Overseer of Air. IIRC this ended up in a exponentially increasing stream of variance-free Nobles. I am trying to remember if the GMs stomped on this or not.

That was when OoA and hand were hard to kill, so it benefited everyone to just have lots of Dojos all the time.

Now they are all pretty easy, and with the 20 minute rule, guilds would rather get 3 efreeti kills in a lump package than wait for a hope of finding dojorn up (and hoping that no other guilds will just come along and take out all the overseers).

I think you are underestimating the power of exponential processes. My understanding of this is that every time you kill the noble when the OOA is up, he'll repop in three days in addition to his usual 1 week spawn. What this means is that the number of efreetis per week will increase to far beyond three very quickly. Something like this:

Day 0: Noble 1 (0)
Day 3: Noble 2 (1)
Day 6: Noble 3 (2)
Day 7: Noble 4 (1)
Day 9: Noble 5 (3)
Day 10: Noble 6 (2), Noble 7 (4)
Day 12: Noble 8 (5)
Day 13: Noble 9 (3), Noble 10 (6), Noble 11 (7)
Day 14: Noble 12 (4)
Day 15: Noble 13 (8)
Day 16: Noble 14 (5), Noble 15 (9), Noble 16 (10), Noble 17 (11)
Day 17: Noble 18 (6), Noble 19 (7), Noble 20 (12)
Day 18: Noble 21 (13)
Day 19: Noble 22 (8), Noble 23 (14), Noble 24 (16), Noble 25 (17)
Day 20: Noble 26 (9), Noble 27 (10), Noble 28 (11), Noble 29 (18), Noble 30 (19), Noble 31 (20)

edit: I realized this isn't quite right, because there is an extra wait of a week while the first OOA is up, but the basic idea remains.

So in three weeks we would have 31 spawns of Noble Dojorn rather than 9 total spawns of Noble Dojorn, OOA, and HoV. IIRC the Hand of Veeshan does drop 3 items instead of two, but that doesn't come close to making up the difference. I'm sure Fabben is suitably horrified at the prospect of other players getting high level Plane of Sky stuff, but really from a player perspective there is no downside to this The only limit is the number of cycles the server can sustain, and after we hit that limit we could kill all of the overseers (one at a time) and the resulting Hands. If that was done at the end of week three to reset things, we'd get another 10-15 efreeti kills right then, making a total of nearly 50 efreeti kills instead of 9.

Assuming this is really how the spawn works, I'd like to propose the following:

Proposed Efreeti Agreement

Any guild that kills Noble Dojorn will have the right to kill the next Overseer of Air (and therefore the resulting Hand of Veeshan) as soon as a second Overseer of Air pops.
Any guild that kills Noble Dojorn while the Overseer of Air is up will pass up the resulting Noble Dojorn pop in 3 days
All kills will be recorded in some sort of thread in the guild forums
Don't be a douchebag, including but is not limited to: disarming the Overseer of Air

[Brut]

I thought the extra dojo for leaving OoA up thing was changed to no longer happen?
Can't seem to find patch notes about it though, maybe they wrote it in funky way.

Could be wrong tho, I rly got no idea. Recall ppl stopped leaving OoA up somewhere mid 2012, could be just TMO wanting to lock the cycle.

[Splorf22]

I thought the extra dojo for leaving OoA up thing was changed to no longer happen?
Can't seem to find patch notes about it though, maybe they wrote it in funky way.

Could be wrong tho, I rly got no idea. Recall ppl stopped leaving OoA up somewhere mid 2012, could be just TMO wanting to lock the cycle.

Yeah it could totally have been changed. All I am saying is that if it is still that way, as a server we come out way ahead with a bit of cooperation.

[getsome]

Noble was popping non stop when IB and TMO agreed to leave OoA up.

[Frieza_Prexus]

IIRC OoA depops after a while putting a cap on the max number of nobles (which is still a lot).

[Versus]

This would be sweet. I remember proposing such a thing, but the server was not in a state where everyone would abide. But now that we're BFF's.....

[-Catherin-]

I realized leaving overseer up would cause dojorn to spawn sooner but I didn't realize this was exponential the longer you left him up. if this is really how it works its something we should all work together on

[sanluen]

I would be all for this happening again, just two things to consider:

1 - This resets every time the server resets, which really isn't a big deal at all, just something to keep in mind especially if for some reason simulated patch days happen they might also reset dojorn cycles.

2 - Only takes 1 guild to get a raid force and chain kill overseers to ruin everyone's fun.


Hopefully we can all come to an agreement!

Also, I do not remember any patches about the dojorn cycle, I just think that when people figured out they could dictate Siran, they just wasted all 3 efreetis at once.

[Luchino]

This has too many holes in it, too many places where a guild could fuck everything up and have everyone abandon it. Which is probably why it's not being done anymore. I asked a few older members about the idea and what happened in the past and the general consensus was subterfuge. I think a better time to propose this would be a month or two after TMO comes back into the raiding scene and see if any of the soon to come guild agreements can last.

[Tyym]

I think now is the perfect time to bring it up. The server's proverbial monkey guild is not currently a factor and the time for fostering inter server relationships is NOW.

Not speaking for the rest of the officers in FE but I believe this is an agreement, if structured right, we could all abide to. Especially as the end result is more spawns of ND. ND drops most of the same pieces OOA does for quests so I am not worried about leaving him up. It is funny how Luchino brings up the holes and subterfuge. The only subterfuge I can think of came from TMO anyway. Which is perhaps part of the reason that 86 accounts got suspended? Anyway, this just might work if in fact your calculations are correct on the exponential repops.

Morphius
60 Enchanter
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[Luchino]

Ah, yes. Implement whatever you want right now as TMO has nothing to do with it till next Thursday. I'm sure we'll hash out the details/terms on our arrival.

[baramur]

Ah, yes. Implement whatever you want right now as TMO has nothing to do with it till next Thursday. I'm sure we'll hash out the details/terms on our arrival.

Spoken like the TMO we have all come to love. That "TMO will has out the terms." TMO has done enough to fuck the raid scene up, its time they step back and just stfu.

[quido]

I thought it was Taken that screwed it up before.

[Splorf22]

This has too many holes in it, too many places where a guild could fuck everything up and have everyone abandon it. Which is probably why it's not being done anymore. I asked a few older members about the idea and what happened in the past and the general consensus was subterfuge. I think a better time to propose this would be a month or two after TMO comes back into the raiding scene and see if any of the soon to come guild agreements can last.

I suspect Derubael would be willing to post kill logs of the efreetis once a week if we asked him nicely, so at the very least if someone broke the agreement we'd know about it. That doesn't mean <Lord Bob> wouldn't decide to rain on everyone's parade. But remember we are talking about over three times the previous amount of Efreeti loot, so hopefully they would decide to play nice.

P.S. I already have all my efreeti pixels; I just think it would be fun to actually get a shot at some of this stuff without FTE shenanigans.

[Detoxx]

Spoken like the TMO we have all come to love. That "TMO will has out the terms." TMO has done enough to fuck the raid scene up, its time they step back and just stfu.

Spoken like the power hungry FE that has no clue whats going on between TMO and FE discussions atm

[Nizzarr]

If everybody would agree to never kill the overseers, you guys would have way more efreeti loot.

We have dojorn(S) everyday on the red server, and sometimes we have up to 3 dojorns in the same day. As long as people religiously kill their dojorn right as they spawn, it can really work out good.

[Versus]

Give us welfare or give us towels to cry into!

[khanable]

I'm all for making a lot of Djorn's pop.

Will do whatever is necessary for that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Give us welfare or give us towels to cry into!

Only TMO would think more spawns for everyone to enjoy is a bad thing.

Set it up now. When TMO comes back and if someone in their leadership still can't read the writing on the wall and refuses to follow it, it will be very clear which guild "can't play nice" according to Rogean's warnings.

[Splorf22]

Give us welfare or give us towels to cry into!

Welfare implies taking from one group to give to another. The proposed rotation would give everyone more pixels - as Nizzarr says, they have multiple Nobles EVERY DAY on the red server.

But you don't want more pixels, do you? You just want everyone to have less. Must not be much fun at parties.

[Luchino]

I suspect Derubael would be willing to post kill logs of the efreetis once a week if we asked him nicely, so at the very least if someone broke the agreement we'd know about it. That doesn't mean <Lord Bob> wouldn't decide to rain on everyone's parade. But remember we are talking about over three times the previous amount of Efreeti loot, so hopefully they would decide to play nice.

P.S. I already have all my efreeti pixels; I just think it would be fun to actually get a shot at some of this stuff without FTE shenanigans.

3x the chance to get my terrible monk alt fists sounds great. Making the idea follow through sounds like a logistical nightmare.

[Versus]

Holy shit I said it was a good idea earlier. I proposed this exact thing like a year ago and it got shot down, as Jeremy alludes to.

Perhaps I have to quote everything for it to make sense to more people than myself. My comments were aimed @ Morphius, more referencing the sentiment of the entire server in regards to the new PNP and koombaya raid rules. I have a whopping 20% attendance rate so I barely have a horse in this race, I just think the idea is ridiculous.

[Luchino]

Only TMO would think more spawns for everyone to enjoy is a bad thing.

Set it up now. When TMO comes back and if someone in their leadership still can't read the writing on the wall and refuses to follow it, it will be very clear which guild "can't play nice" according to Rogean's warnings.

You make it sound like we're going to be forced to follow these rules you're setting up when we get back. I think the only two bolded things i read on the GM's post are to respect FTE and stop training/less dickbaggery

[khanable]

Make this shit happen guys. Write it out in simple terms:

"Guild A, on this day, at this time, do this, but DON't do this"

As long as we're not dildos we can make this happen.

WARRIOR BELTS AND MONK FISTS FOR ALL

[Splorf22]

WARRIOR BELTS AND MONK FISTS FOR ALL

Fuck your warrior belt. I have mine already you socialist trash.

P.S. I already wrote out exactly the rules I would suggest in the OP.

[Lazie]

You make it sound like we're going to be forced to follow these rules you're setting up when we get back. I think the only two bolded things i read on the GM's post are to respect FTE and stop training/less dickbaggery

Might want to reread this part then...


Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating each other. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat each other, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

[Tyym]

Whats funny Luchino is that you assume that TMO will come back at the same strength as before. It was already waning. You guys may or may not even be in contention for shit. We just have to see. Don't get me wrong, I don't underestimate you all. But I wouldn't bet on that horse either at this point.

[Versus]

I for one look forward to a raid mob-less Velious. God I can't wait to out trade skill IB/FE.

[khanable]

I for one look forward to a raid mob-less Velious. God I can't wait to out trade skill IB/FE.

lol'd

LOOK AT MY BLUE DIAMONDS, BITCH

[MaksimMazor]

Yes yes, when velious is released in 2015

[Fazlazen]

Lazie, are you in BDA? Would only confirm my idea that they have the monopoly on the self- entitled whiny characters on p99. Rotations for all! <3

[orsk]

Holy crap does this mean i could possibly get an efreeti belt!

[Lazie]

Lazie, are you in BDA? Would only confirm my idea that they have the monopoly on the self- entitled whiny characters on p99. Rotations for all! <3

Not in BDA. How is posting what Rogean posted whiny ? Oh because I don't get suspended repeatedly for training like yourself ?

[Fazlazen]

Not in BDA. How is posting what Rogean posted whiny ? Oh because I don't get suspended repeatedly for training like yourself ?

The who the fuck are you, tmo hating mongoloid?

[Lazie]

The who the fuck are you, tmo hating mongoloid?

I don't hate TMO. I was simply posting what Rogean posted. Interesting question though. Do your chars stay suspended longer than you actually get to play them ?

NOTE: NOT TMO CHARS HIS CHARS. Just clarifying

[Fazlazen]

I don't hate TMO. I was simply posting what Rogean posted. Interesting question though. Do your chars stay suspended longer than you actually get to play them ?

They are suspended more often than I get to play them, which leaves me ample time anyways to be a two time botb champion and the 2v2 champion, often called the GOAT by friends and foes alike.

Seriously, who are you and what has tmo done to you? Let the healing process begin

[Versus]

GOAT GOAT GOAT

[Fazlazen]

GOAT GOAT GOAT

See... =P

[Ambrotos]

What is the meaning behind goat?

[Byrjun]

You make it sound like we're going to be forced to follow these rules you're setting up when we get back. I think the only two bolded things i read on the GM's post are to respect FTE and stop training/less dickbaggery

What is your definition of dickbaggery

[Lazie]

They are suspended more often than I get to play them, which leaves me ample time anyways to be a two time botb champion and the 2v2 champion, often called the GOAT by friends and foes alike.

Seriously, who are you and what has tmo done to you? Let the healing process begin

Nothing, I have said repeatedly I don't hate TMO. I simply was showing what Rogean posted. Congrats, I guess (?) on your BotB title and 2v2 champion. Sounds like a PVP server would be awesome for you.

[Alarti0001]

Whats funny Luchino is that you assume that TMO will come back at the same strength as before. It was already waning. You guys may or may not even be in contention for shit. We just have to see. Don't get me wrong, I don't underestimate you all. But I wouldn't bet on that horse either at this point.

Check your sources... Last I checked FE/IB was in decline prior to the recent TMO suspension. Enjoy your temporary surge :P

[Splorf22]

Guys can you troll each other somewhere else?

Also if you look at my suggested rules I'm not even proposing a rotation; just asking people not to kill OOA for a bit.

Also Ambrotos GOAT is an abbreviation for Greatest of all time.

[Fazlazen]

Nothing, I have said repeatedly I don't hate TMO. I simply was showing what Rogaen posted. Congrats, I guess (?) on your BotB title and 2v2 champion. Sounds like a PVP server would be awesome for you.

Looking at your post history, You've posted about 250 times in the past few days spewing shit about TMO, please don't come claiming otherwise.

Also, it's botb titles with an S

[Fazlazen]

Guys can you troll each other somewhere else?

Also if you look at my suggested rules I'm not even proposing a rotation; just asking people not to kill OOA for a bit.

Also Ambrotos GOAT is an abbreviation for Greatest of all time.

If bda is gonna turn every other thread into a rotation topic, then they will get trolled to the ground. Otherwise, great idea to just focus on noble.

[Lazie]

Looking at your post history, You've posted about 250 times in the past few days spewing shit about TMO, please don't come claiming otherwise.

Also, it's botb titles with an S

Uh telling the truth isn't "Spewing shit". I have said repeatedly TMO has some awesome people in the guild and that the trolls of the guild (Such as yourself) ruin the reputation of the guild. I never said I have a problem with them one way or another. Most of the discussions I have had were about the perception of TMO and why people weren't up in arms when a punishment was handed to them.

[Lazie]

If bda is gonna turn every other thread into a rotation topic, then they will get trolled to the ground. Otherwise, great idea to just focus on noble.

Again never been in BDA. Please stop trying to RNF in this thread like the man asked.

[Alarti0001]

Again never been in BDA. Please stop trying to RNF in this thread like the man asked.

FE? Layze?

[Lazie]

FE? Layze?

Layze is in IB. I am not Layze.

[radditsu]

FE? Layze?

Kimmie and nalkin

[Fazlazen]

Uh telling the truth isn't "Spewing shit". I have said repeatedly TMO has some awesome people in the guild and that the trolls of the guild (Such as yourself) ruin the reputation of the guild. I never said I have a problem with them one way or another. Most of the discussions I have had were about the perception of TMO and why people weren't up in arms when a punishment was handed to them.

You sound exactly like that insufferable cunt coldblooded

[Lazie]

You sound exactly like that insufferable cunt coldblooded

Nope.

[Splorf22]

I am not Layze.

I wish every forum account was linked to an ingame account.

P.S. Ambrotos we need some carebear moderation! There are like 5000 other threads for the whole TMO/anti-TMO thing.

[Alarti0001]

Layze is in IB. I am not Layze.

In your last 50 posts, you have mentioned TMO directly 29 times. Indrectly at least another dozen times.

In fact there are only about 7-9 posts out of 50 where you aren't talking about TMO.
At least of of those is auction thread and 3 others are grats on guild discussion pages.


What were you saying again?

[Lazie]

In your last 50 posts, you have mentioned TMO directly 29 times. Indrectly at least another dozen times.

In fact there are only about 7-9 posts out of 50 where you aren't talking about TMO.
At least of of those is auction thread and 3 others are grats on guild discussion pages.


What were you saying again?

Exactly what I have always said if you can read. That TMO has good people in it but forum trolls (Like yourself) and intentional Trainers (Like Sentenza) give the guild an image that those players have to deal with. The guild as a whole isn't all bad just the bad apples.

[Lazie]

I wish every forum account was linked to an ingame account.

P.S. Ambrotos we need some carebear moderation! There are like 5000 other threads for the whole TMO/anti-TMO thing.

My name is the same in game.

[Fazlazen]

My name is the same in game.

Then you are a nobody and aren't worth my time, as you base anything you say on third hand information. Anyone I ever trained has dearly deserved it.

[Alarti0001]

Exactly what I have always said if you can read. That TMO has good people in it but forum trolls (Like yourself) and intentional Trainers (Like Sentenza) give the guild an image that those players have to deal with. The guild as a whole isn't all bad just the bad apples.

LOL go read some of your posts forum troll.

[Lazie]

Then you are a nobody and aren't worth my time, as you base anything you say on third hand information. Anyone I ever trained has dearly deserved it.

:rolleyes:

[Lazie]

LOL go read some of your posts forum troll.

:rolleyes:

[MaksimMazor]

I for one, am pro-noble rotation

[radditsu]

I for one, am pro-noble rotation

I hope land kiffin comes back.

[Lazie]

I for one, am pro-noble rotation

IT would be more loot for people who can kill Noble. I don't know how long it would work.

[MaksimMazor]

Anti-land kiffin

[radditsu]

Anti-land kiffin

Dammit phone!

[Lazie]

Anti-land kiffin

You guys at least got a good recruiter now with your current coach.

[Splorf22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1EyN9xTK94

This is what you fuckers have done to my thread

[radditsu]

You're welcome

[Clark]

I'd be down for Noble rotation.

[Elements]

This will work until lord bob decides to go to sky... oh wait.

[Layze]

I do not troll the forums sirs. I do not have the time nor desire.

Sidenote: +1 to this idea Loraen

[zanderklocke]

Now Layze and Lazie are posting in this thread.

[Nizzarr]

This doesnt quite work like this.

I'll try to explain

There's two kind of Dojorns. One that spawns every 7 days, and one that spawns every 3 days from OOA despawning.

There can be only two dojorns up at the same time, and only one dojorn can be up from OOA cycling. There can be as many OOA as you want.

Day 0 -- 7 day dojorn dies
Day 3 -- 3 day dojorn(1rst cycle) spawns
Day 6 -- 3 day dojorn(1rst cycle) spawns
Day 7 -- 7 day dojorn respawns
Day 9 -- 3 day dojorn (1rst cycle) spawns
Day 10 -- 3 day dojorn (second cycle) spawns
Day 12 -- 3 day dojorn (first cycle) spawns
Day 13 -- 3 day dojorn (second cycle) spawns
Day 14 -- 7 day dojorn respawns
Day 15 -- 3 day dojorn (first cycle) spawns
Day 16 -- 3 day dojorn (second cycle) spawns
Day 17 -- 3 day dojorn (third cycle) spawns

etc etc

[Nizzarr]

So you get the same number of dojorn over a week, but as soon as you hit week two you get 5 spawns instead of 3. 7 spawns in week 3 9 spawns in week 4 etc etc

[-Catherin-]

bumping this for attention. all of the other BS about raid changes aside... are we willing to make this official and give it a try, and work out the real details? :)

[heazels]

that would be nice