CLARIFICATION FROM SIRKEN

[Stasis01]

Apparently as per PNP if you die, you can loot and scoot for 1 hr - but the 1 HR does not start until the fight is over.

So in a RAID VS RAID context. Someone dies, they must get their body and leave the area they are now dead, or wait till the fight is over. No resing in, no bind rushing, and no binding in areas of important and having battle of attrition.

The idea is that if you die, you are out of the fight until it is over which is kind of cool that I did not think of in my idea of PNP.

Now fighting over a camp/Single PVP - take a SS/time when you kill someone, if they come back and attack before that hour is up you have a case.

PEOPLE CANNOT CHOOSE NOT TO LNS, People cannot choose to bind camp - LNS must be given and bind rushing is bannable/suspendable.

The only issue I see is people not keeping track of who's been killed, meaning you should call it in zone ETC but hopefully people aren't running back till the fight is over anyway.

Once a side wins and the other side calls LNS fallen members of the winning team can loot and go for the raid mob.

This is all from Sirken PM's as I was confused and it clears up most of it for me - and should be straight forward. Naked people off limits, but they must leave and not taunt ETC.

[Retti_]

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[Hateraid]

You guys are making this game hard for no reason...

[Supreme]

This really did need to be said....

for the children.

[Stasis01]

You die in a raid vs raid fight you're out, that's it - not hard at all.

[Terpuntine]

Welcome to Project Vallon Zek

[Sirken]

Apparently as per PNP if you die, you can loot and scoot for 1 hr - but the 1 HR does not start until the fight is over.

So in a RAID VS RAID context. Someone dies, they must get their body and leave the area they are now dead, or wait till the fight is over. No resing in, no bind rushing, and no binding in areas of important and having battle of attrition.

The idea is that if you die, you are out of the fight until it is over which is kind of cool that I did not think of in my idea of PNP.

Now fighting over a camp/Single PVP - take a SS/time when you kill someone, if they come back and attack before that hour is up you have a case.

PEOPLE CANNOT CHOOSE NOT TO LNS, People cannot choose to bind camp - LNS must be given and bind rushing is bannable/suspendable.

The only issue I see is people not keeping track of who's been killed, meaning you should call it in zone ETC but hopefully people aren't running back till the fight is over anyway.

Once a side wins and the other side calls LNS fallen members of the winning team can loot and go for the raid mob.

This is all from Sirken PM's as I was confused and it clears up most of it for me - and should be straight forward. Naked people off limits, but they must leave and not taunt ETC.


confirmed true

[Nizzarr]

I dont get it? cant rez in mass pvp?

what is this?

[Rellapse36]

zerg not gonna win this battle

[Nizzarr]

can we have a sun tzu strategy book for raid pvp please? I dont wanna get banned for rezzing people in during a fight or other common things that happen in mass pvp

[Stasis01]

I dont get it? cant rez in mass pvp?

what is this?

I specifically asked about that, apparently if you die you're out. Now having 2-3 ALTS is another issue, but as far as I know, alts are fair game if you die switch toons.

[Nizzarr]

Need to add this rule to the ever growing list of rules that can get you banned for no reasons.

Server's gonna flourish!

[Nizzarr]

But can we be at character select with hotspot shield ready to load in on those alts?

[Dullah]

2 days of pnp, 2 major pvp strategies removed from Everquest

cool

[Stasis01]

If you die you're out, it's not exactly a big rule book.

You can loot and leave, mandatory.

[Dullah]

Can Nilbog just add a slash command so I can see if its ok to pvp?

[Stasis01]

OOC has cleaned right up since Sirken put the hammer down also, you guys always complained about ridiculous OOC spam right?

[Stasis01]

Can Nilbog just add a slash command so I can see if its ok to pvp?

The true sadistic players will not like this, it is true.

When winning isn't enough, and you want to straight up make them quit the box - you won't like the new rules.

[Rallyd]

Pretty much I have to send a tell to someone before I attack them and ask them if they've been attacked in the last hour, if they don't answer... I can't attack, because I simply cannot be sure I won't be banned if i kill them.

[Stasis01]

Not really, unless they are naked.

[Nizzarr]

what if I kill my guildmate during mass pvp? can I rez him?

[Stasis01]

Nihilum, this is a good thing, believe me pals.

[Nizzarr]

what if my guildmate died to PVE before mass pvp?

[Stasis01]

what if I kill my guildmate during mass pvp? can I rez him?

...............

[Rallyd]

Even if they are geared, they could have died in that same zone in the last hour and are trying to exit

you cannot POSSIBLY know for sure, you cannot take the chance

[Nizzarr]

What if im attacking a mob and then I get attacked and the mob kills me? can I rez mid combat then?

need clarification on all these rules

[Nizzarr]

What if a mob wipes a raid, we can kill them all while theyre cr'ing? at least once right?

[Nizzarr]

What if theres so many mobs and they get all the kills, can we rez them and kill them to get our yellow texts?

[Stasis01]

I would imagine mob/player kill during raid vs raid pvp would be insignificant and count as a death, but that is a legit question.

[Colgate]

someone get this guy a box of tissues

[Stasis01]

The guild killing a guildy, and the what if someone dies is LNSing and I log on and happen to kill them blah blah is just ridiculous.

[Nizzarr]

Not really, unless they are naked.

not true, they could have been killed by one of your guildmate in the previous hour and he could be on his way out of a zone

[Stasis01]

If you guys win 100% of the time, why can't you just be normal human beings and if you slaughter a group, just say good fight, we won't nitpick who died to mobs/players and you can all surrender and leave?

Just saying, why are you such sore winners.

[Stasis01]

What if a guildy kills another guildy while fighting a mob and then he dies to the mob, so I res him and pvp him then he refuses to LNS and taunts me so can I CC my guildy who is refusing to...

Really?

[Awwalike]

Even if they are geared, they could have died in that same zone in the last hour and are trying to exit

you cannot POSSIBLY know for sure, you cannot take the chance

it ain't that confusing Insurance, if you see someone naked CRing don't attack. if you see someone fully geared trying to linger around - kill them.

or ask your guild for the leaderboard back so you can check if they died and what time

[Stasis01]

Honestly the best thing we could do with this new PNP is just nuke the forums, wipe em and start fresh/advertise but that's just me. I'm done trying for changes I think this is a huge positive, but we need to start being normal and advertising a fun atmosphere IMO and people actually following through.


OOC 100x better over night.

[Dullah]

All ooc has ever needed is a 5 minute cooldown on use per account.

[Rallyd]

it ain't that confusing Insurance, if you see someone naked CRing don't attack. if you see someone fully geared trying to linger around - kill them.

or ask your guild for the leaderboard back so you can check if they died and what time

The problem lies in if you KNOW whether they are CRing or not, even a geared person can still be under protection from LNS.. there is no way to be 100% positive that you can kill someone, unless they attack you first.

This server just became guilty until proven innocent, you can only defend yourself, you cannot attack.

Give me a way in which I can be 100% positive that I am not going to be suspended if I kill someone unless they attack me first. There is no way under these rules, NO WAY.

[Hateraid]

Honestly the best thing we could do with this new PNP is just nuke the forums, wipe em and start fresh/advertise but that's just me. I'm done trying for changes I think this is a huge positive, but we need to start being normal and advertising a fun atmosphere IMO and people actually following through.


OOC 100x better over night.

This guy..... WTF? How do you just keep going and going? holy shit!

[Labanen]

Very surprised that ressing a guildmate is considered against the pnp, if someone by taking a ress consents to being brought into an area where pvp is/has been going on in a very vulnerable state, clearly they are also accepting the risk that entails. I really dont get that rule, and i am really otherwise very pro pnp rules.

[Labanen]

Can we ress them in after the pvp so they can participate in pve, what is the deal here. I am a cleric i like the server and i dont wanna get banned or suspended, particlarly during christmas and my first extended break from work in like a year and a half.

[Butthead]

heh dude, alot of us got banned on christmas for arguing about the rules... they must of put it up on xmas eve?
was busy going thru a crap day, waitin to get on eq and the word was the gm's did unspeakable things to the PVPserver(!PVP!).

i didnt see the rules/post until i got banned and had to petition it.

i didnt get a warning, or nothin. i dont even know what i said exactly that got my ACCOUNT BANNED.

guy coulda gave me a warning or suspension first...

plus it was the holidays. i had family crap for past few days, only could play during middle of the night for a lil bit... i wasnt checking forums. i never checked forums unless i was going to the trade thing...

im told the majority are petitioning their bans too. im still blown away by mine. usually gm's help people. im not sure how this helped anyone, or anything. it jus took people off the server..

and think about how many people arent going to bother coming back? and when teams comes out? hows red99 gunna look?

save the fluffy rules for teams server imo, not the primary and O N L Y PVP SERVER


I need an adult!

[heartbrand]

Gotta agree with nizzar on this one. Making people call LNS basically solves almost everything, otherwise this shit is too confusing. What if my guildy dies in lava storm and the fight is in sol b? Can be LNS from ls to sol b? What if there's mass pvp and we win are we not allowed to Rez the dead people and have them help? Dunno seems slightly retarded. Make people ask for LNS all problems fixed.

[Supreme]

over complication of very simple results based upon current game mechanics dissolves the need for any of these rules.

The more we try to create a "catch all" policy/ruleset the more likely it will be abused and exploited.

[Kraftwerk]

So glad I've been running 24/7 1080p FRAPs on my 10TB HD. This should be a seamless transition for me. Good luck getting me banned suckers.

[Elderan]

jesus,

They said guilds could agree to make their own agreement and ignore these rules.

I call for Red Dawn, Fair Fighters, Azrael, Nihilum to all agree to our own custom agreement which does not allow LNS. All other rules would remain the same.

Problem solved.

[mcappy]

over complication of very simple results based upon current game mechanics dissolves the need for any of these rules.

The more we try to create a "catch all" policy/ruleset the more likely it will be abused and exploited.

I agree - best to keep it simple. The PNP additions may have been copy/pasted from EQLive, but they were never, ever enforced like this.

It's gotten to the point where people are afraid they'll get suspended or banned just for PvPing. It's accomplishing the opposite of what was intended.

[Slathar]

jesus,

They said guilds could agree to make their own agreement and ignore these rules.

I call for Red Dawn, Fair Fighters, Azrael, Nihilum to all agree to our own custom agreement which does not allow LNS. All other rules would remain the same.

Problem solved.

What about Flowers of Happiness? Lords of Virginity?

As the leader of Lords of Virginity, I reject your call. Fuck off, loser. Praise Sirken! Praise Derubael! Praise Zade! Grief Nihilum all day!

[heartbrand]

jesus,

They said guilds could agree to make their own agreement and ignore these rules.

I call for Red Dawn, Fair Fighters, Azrael, Nihilum to all agree to our own custom agreement which does not allow LNS. All other rules would remain the same.

Problem solved.

No.

[Buhbuh]

Usually LnS was required among those dead in raid battles, as long as two reasonable forces were still contesting for a mob.

If it's like 3v30 after a massive loss on one side and only one or two deaths on the other, it's not considered "battle resing" from the side that's winning. It's just resing your dead after annihilating a force capable of contesting, and continuing to raid.

[heartbrand]

For those who watch Survivor, Elderan is basically asking us to give up the immunity necklace for nothing in return. LNS is a great rule, and has already made the server more enjoyable. Could it potentially use some tweaking? Sure. But that doesn't mean it needs to be removed. And, the more I think about it, the more I like the concept that if you die you're out of the battle, and Nihilum will also long term in Velious. Otherwise, you get 15 hour + PVP battles of a few stragglers chain wiping you with no chance of actually winning the mob. This rule prevents that retarded situation that makes the server unplayable. Imagine if this had been in back when FF had won the Nagafen fight and now won the right to battle Nagafen? Who knows what would have happened. What happened instead was a few sore losers sticking around till 3am in the morning to try to chain wipe the pvp victors until their morale was destroyed. That isn't fun, and I'm glad the GMs recognize it.

[Buhbuh]

Yeah, the 1 hour rule is amazing for raid battles.

[runlvlzero]

I like the new rules, should be good improvement 2 the server, while i don't think ive ever had a petition answered 100% in my favor, i think the GMs are really fair and unbiased tbh

[Nirgon]

If I get killed by pve can I still train mobs with a gate pot as a monk

[Nirgon]

Gotta agree with nizzar on this one. Making people call LNS basically solves almost everything, otherwise this shit is too confusing. What if my guildy dies in lava storm and the fight is in sol b? Can be LNS from ls to sol b? What if there's mass pvp and we win are we not allowed to Rez the dead people and have them help? Dunno seems slightly retarded. Make people ask for LNS all problems fixed.

Last I checked yellow text recorded zone and who killed who. Seems like a way to keep track.

Going to take a GM slinging suspensions until people get it through their head.

[mcappy]

For those who watch Survivor, Elderan is basically asking us to give up the immunity necklace for nothing in return. LNS is a great rule, and has already made the server more enjoyable. Could it potentially use some tweaking? Sure. But that doesn't mean it needs to be removed. And, the more I think about it, the more I like the concept that if you die you're out of the battle, and Nihilum will also long term in Velious. Otherwise, you get 15 hour + PVP battles of a few stragglers chain wiping you with no chance of actually winning the mob. This rule prevents that retarded situation that makes the server unplayable. Imagine if this had been in back when FF had won the Nagafen fight and now won the right to battle Nagafen? Who knows what would have happened. What happened instead was a few sore losers sticking around till 3am in the morning to try to chain wipe the pvp victors until their morale was destroyed. That isn't fun, and I'm glad the GMs recognize it.

Can't disagree with the policy being used to that effect, but the GMs really, really want to ban people, even for minor and/or accidental "corpse camping" (see: Andis).

Let's be honest - the situation in Fear (and earlier OT) between Nihilum and RD was what prompted these rules to go into place. Nobody else was complaining about being corpse camped because it wasn't a problem for anyone else.

I just think the way the LNS rule is being enforced is unnecessarily complicated. Everyone damn well knows when they're being corpse camped, and everyone damn well knows when they're camping corpse(s). We get massive YTs when a guild wipes another in a big fight, nobody is fooled by Dongshow saying 'he went berserk' in ooc when the YTs keep streaming in once every couple minutes. Making these complicated rules just scares people away from PvPing for fear of violating some undocumented clause of the PnP code.

[Nirgon]

How about let Red Dawn raid fear in peace when CT isn't up

[Kraftwerk]

these rules are [EDIT: REDACTED] until people abusing ip exemption to sit at char select are banned
example: lite with the sliver of next acct's char select visible in stream

He was just playing another char on ez server guys, dunno know what the hubbub is about

[heartbrand]

Can't disagree with the policy being used to that effect, but the GMs really, really want to ban people, even for minor and/or accidental "corpse camping" (see: Andis).

Let's be honest - the situation in Fear (and earlier OT) between Nihilum and RD was what prompted these rules to go into place. Nobody else was complaining about being corpse camped because it wasn't a problem for anyone else.

I just think the way the LNS rule is being enforced is unnecessarily complicated. Everyone damn well knows when they're being corpse camped, and everyone damn well knows when they're camping corpse(s). We get massive YTs when a guild wipes another in a big fight, nobody is fooled by Dongshow saying 'he went berserk' in ooc when the YTs keep streaming in once every couple minutes. Making these complicated rules just scares people away from PvPing for fear of violating some undocumented clause of the PnP code.

Those examples may have gotten the most ForumQuest attention, but as leader of a guild of many new players, I received countless tells from people who informed me they would be quitting the server because they died to people like Ebtcard and he corpse camped them, or a FoH member, or some random twink in Unrest, who would sit on their corpse. Those people, since they don't ForumQuest and make a big noice in OOC, seem invisible, but believe me, they made up a huge number.

[Buhbuh]

It's pretty well known that compromising some "red" elements of a game and becoming more casual friendly greatly increases the likability of the game for them/ the retention of those players.

Let's be honest: most of us posting here will always play. Gotta make it appealing to the little guys. One bad experience and they could be gone. Let's not forget how many other games are out there the non no lifers could be playing. You gotta make it somewhat enjoyable for people.

[heartbrand]

It's pretty well known that compromising some "red" elements of a game and becoming more casual friendly greatly increases the likability of the game for them/ the retention of those players.

Let's be honest: most of us posting here will always play. Gotta make it appealing to the little guys. One bad experience and they could be gone. Let's not forget how many other games are out there the non no lifers could be playing. You gotta make it somewhat enjoyable for people.

Yup.

[Andis]

I need clarification from a GM on this.

Killing a naked. I killed naked Puddems last night, along with novus. We both got suspended for this action. He claimed to have shouted lns. Andis and Novus suspended for a week.

I load my other char, tell ooc that killing a naked is not permitted anymore. Sirken responds why is killing a naked not permitted?

there seems to be great confusion on this.

One minute, shouted lns means something, then on the other side, I am being told that they do not need to shout lns, it is implied.

Ambrotos messaged me before the ban and said, he shouted in zone.

need clarification on this pls.

[Sektor]

so glad I'm not on pvping lol. Staying off DAT gm radar.

[mcappy]

It's pretty well known that compromising some "red" elements of a game and becoming more casual friendly greatly increases the likability of the game for them/ the retention of those players.

Let's be honest: most of us posting here will always play. Gotta make it appealing to the little guys. One bad experience and they could be gone. Let's not forget how many other games are out there the non no lifers could be playing. You gotta make it somewhat enjoyable for people.

I'm not disagreeing that some form of PNP is a good thing - I came from SZ, so I might be used to it, but based on the teams server feedback I understand that's not the atmosphere they want to promote here, and for good reason. I was never the type to corpse camp or pm racial slurs when I get killed, so it's not going to make my time here any worse. I'm more worried about not having a fraps to back myself up when someone else accuses me of something I didn't do. Not that I'm all that active in pvp - soloing in Bumfuck, Nowhere for 46 levels leaves you a bit light on the pvp.

I mainly have issues with the 'gray area' cases (see Andis' post above) being enforced so heavily, especially this soon after the new PNP was introduced. If you're going to maintain that there are undefinable cases, or too many to pre-define (see some of the hypotheticals being thrown around in this and other threads), they should be giving some leeway in those gray areas until people are used to the rules. Save the making of examples for cut-and-dry cases.

[Colgate]

so glad I'm not on

[HippoNipple]

Sounds like Nizzar is having a hard time understanding. Nizzar, just send an officer of Red Dawn a /t and they will guide you on proper procedures if you are confused in game. Red Dawn is here to promote server integrity and would love to steer you in the right direction, avoiding any unnecessary bans, and preserving box competition and health.

[Andis]

I need clarification from a GM on this.

Killing a naked. I killed naked Puddems last night, along with novus. We both got suspended for this action. He claimed to have shouted lns. Andis and Novus suspended for a week.

I load my other char, tell ooc that killing a naked is not permitted anymore. Sirken responds why is killing a naked not permitted?

there seems to be great confusion on this.

One minute, shouted lns means something, then on the other side, I am being told that they do not need to shout lns, it is implied.

Ambrotos messaged me before the ban and said, he shouted in zone.

need clarification on this pls.

[Buhbuh]

I agree, they shouldn't be banning indiscriminately just to make the point that they're serious.

It's still a fresh rule set and will take a few days for people to get it and calm down. But keep in mind Sirken is from VZ, and from what I understand, the player base there had an understanding about shunning those who treated others like we all have been doing for the last two years.

[Rellapse36]

The trolls were not taking them srs now they are mission accomplished by the GM's

[Millburn]

Nobody is gonna get banned over honest mistakes, man the fuck up and use some common sense. Quit bitching over trivial shit.

[Fame]

Boiling this whole thread down for the illiterate:
http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/thumb/9/9f/Zerg.jpg/200px-Zerg.jpg

[Retti_]

im an infested terran

[Eslade]

It would be a ton of work, but a way to automate LnS is this example.

Player dies in pvp in solb.

When they respawn they type in /lns

/lns deactivates all pvp fot that player, but they also can not attack any NPC's in the zone that they died in.

Now that player can make the run to their body and get a rez without getting PvP'd on corpse run.

Or some variation of that. It would be a ton of work at first, but then it'll be a load off of the CSR staff.

[Nizzarr]

so if we kill 10 of red dawn in lavastorm prior to a ragefire, they cant get their bodies UNLESS both guild agrees to no LNS.

If they agree to LNS, these 10 people cant join in the next hour of raiding right? If they do, their guild leadership gets banned right?

I get this right?

[mcappy]

It would be a ton of work, but a way to automate LnS is this example.

Player dies in pvp in solb.

When they respawn they type in /lns

/lns deactivates all pvp fot that player, but they also can not attack any NPC's in the zone that they died in.

Now that player can make the run to their body and get a rez without getting PvP'd on corpse run.

Or some variation of that. It would be a ton of work at first, but then it'll be a load off of the CSR staff.

From This thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132321):

While I do like the idea of hardcoding in some kind of system, just go off the assumption that any kind of code work is off the table. There's so much more to do right now that coding in a LnS system isn't even on the radar.

[Eslade]

From This thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132321):

thanks, haven't been forum questing since the 23rd. this is all new to me.

[Kinamara]

can't believe we're ruining everquest pvp with this kind of shit. Might as well just disable pvp completely on the server until the rule crazyness is over. Wish players who play would be asked about our opinion instead of this team of colgate and stasis who are continuously making up 90% of the forum whine.

[heartbrand]

so if we kill 10 of red dawn in lavastorm prior to a ragefire, they cant get their bodies UNLESS both guild agrees to no LNS.

If they agree to LNS, these 10 people cant join in the next hour of raiding right? If they do, their guild leadership gets banned right?

I get this right?

No, it's the opposite, you can't not allow LNS unless both parties agree to not allow it.

[heartbrand]

can't believe we're ruining everquest pvp with this kind of shit. Might as well just disable pvp completely on the server until the rule faggotry is over.

O man u can't corpse camp newbs anymore, how will u ever find pvp on this server, the horror!

[Rellapse36]

O man u can't corpse camp newbs anymore, how will u ever find pvp on this server, the horror!

[Stasis01]

People in the massive advantage VP geared guild can stand on their podium and cry that it ruins the server.

AKA they can't just shit on people and do what they want and force weaker/casual people off the box.

You can still kick the shit out of anyone and take the mob - that really isn't good enough?

"WE MUST BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM QUIT THE SERVER" and then cry that the server is toxic and unpopulated.

[Nizzarr]

says the guy that started this thread.

I'm looking for clarifications bro

[Rallyd]

The new PnP creates a server in which your reputation matters not one ounce.. you are entitled to respect regardless of how much of a piece of shit you've been on the server..

This basically just made Everquest some other game, it is no longer Everquest.

I also still challenge someone to provide a scenario in which I can kill someone with 100% certainty that I will not be suspended, unless they attack me first.

[Kinamara]

O man u can't corpse camp newbs anymore, how will u ever find pvp on this server, the horror!

Actually, it bothers me everytime someone is banned, cause it means -1 pop. I don't in particular like Andis, but I think banning someone for what happened in EJ is really just killing to pvp, because it's impossible to find the line of what goes and what doesn't.

Further the nerf of clerics and paladins ability to res dead people in to fight MUST BE COMPENSATED. Res stations was a part of classic pvp. Let's not have p99 classic pvp server with non classic pvp.

[heartbrand]

People in the massive advantage VP geared guild can stand on their podium and cry that it ruins the server.

AKA they can't just shit on people and do what they want and force weaker/casual people off the box.

You can still kick the shit out of anyone and take the mob - that really isn't good enough?

"WE MUST BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM QUIT THE SERVER" and then cry that the server is toxic and unpopulated.

Pretty much this, however they justify it because somehow random level 52's in CoM are related to a joint sky raid with Lite, who boxes, even though they have boxers, so therefore everyone is toxic but they're not toxic so it's open season because I'm a GM who made the PNP or something. Not sure can't really follow. Ultimately, the only people who will be griefed is Nihilum, because you're going to need an incredibly large roster in Velious, and with the anticipated huge burnout Velious will bring with the people who will detag rather than retire after getting loot, if you keep griefing everyone off there won't be anyone to recruit. Those blue players who are bored on blue right now? With Velious out they'll have no interest rolling here. New pvp players who now see an insurmountable gear gap? No chance they'll roll here. It's in EVERYONE's interest to create a better environment on this server. Shrug.

[Slathar]

The new PnP creates a server in which your reputation matters not one ounce.. you are entitled to respect regardless of how much of a piece of shit you've been on the server..

This basically just made Everquest some other game, it is no longer Everquest.

I also still challenge someone to provide a scenario in which I can kill someone with 100% certainty that I will not be suspended, unless they attack me first.


Scenario:

The server comes up after being down for 24+ hours. A rollback was done and you log into a zone with a geared person in front of you after the server has been up for 5 seconds.

Loser.

[Stasis01]

If someone is a piece of shit, just follow them around to each of their raids and destroy them and force them to scoot.

Sitting on bodies all night, and this turning into who has the advantage, and how sadistic they are and time invested to ensuring no one plays is not Everquest.

Live had a player enforced PNP, except for sullon no box has ever acted like this - and it's clear our population is little and shitty.

Rally can actually talk shit because he was Nihi day 1, but you have to understand that you hardcore neckbeards scare normal people away - and this box isn't just for you.

[Stasis01]

Like I said, the people with the massive advantage forcing people to quit enjoy the system for obvious reason's.

[freez]

The new PnP creates a server in which your reputation matters not one ounce.. you are entitled to respect regardless of how much of a piece of shit you've been on the server..

This basically just made Everquest some other game, it is no longer Everquest.

I also still challenge someone to provide a scenario in which I can kill someone with 100% certainty that I will not be suspended, unless they attack me first.

sry to burst ur bubble bitch


rep never meant shit here

[Stasis01]

sry to burst ur bubble bitch


rep never meant shit here

That's a really good point, not one guild that has competed here has been given respect and LNS - not 1.

So...

[heartbrand]

sry to burst ur bubble bitch


rep never meant shit here

Pretty much this. I'm trying my best to do so with Red Dawn, but I'm not willing to validate people by their Social Security # / Birth Certificate / IP, etc.

[Rellapse36]

RallyD talking about rep lololol

[Stasis01]

Rally's good people, good player - he just doesn't care, or doesn't realise that how they act makes people quit.

Glad this is changed.

[freez]

red dawn is the only guild so far that ive seen that rep means anything


jeje

[heartbrand]

It's also lol, Rallyd was booted from Nihilum, people rage quit over his return, and it still didn't matter because he played a lot and didn't suck. TBH, if anything, Rallyd is the poster child of rep not mattering.

[Nizzarr]

Quick, lets turn this into a "I hate nihilum" thread

[Nizzarr]

red dawn is the only guild so far that ive seen that rep means anything


jeje

Thats why you have stasis and all of azrael with you right now!

and Checkraise as a leader ah oh ha oh ahah

[Technique]

can't believe we're ruining everquest pvp with this kind of shit. Might as well just disable pvp completely on the server until the rule crazyness is over.This is what always happens when people try to override a system's internal rules with external ones.

[heartbrand]

What is stasis guilty of? Disagreeing, politely, on the forums with your view point? Since when is disagreeing with someones view point on an internet forum toxic? When he trained Azrael in Seb, he did so on your order. What is his transgression?

Also, you claim "all of azrael right now." Interesting. Is sickpuppy guilded? (No) Sealer? (No) Salem? (No) Lite? (No) Chipp? (No) I could go on and on. Did we do a single joint sky raid 3 weeks ago? Yaw. Have we done anything since? No. Do we plan on it? No. Thanks for playing.

[Nizzarr]

What is stasis guilty of? Disagreeing, politely, on the forums with your view point? Since when is disagreeing with someones view point on an internet forum toxic? When he trained Azrael in Seb, he did so on your order. What is his transgression?

Also, you claim "all of azrael right now." Interesting. Is sickpuppy guilded? (No) Sealer? (No) Salem? (No) Lite? (No) Chipp? (No) I could go on and on. Did we do a single joint sky raid 3 weeks ago? Yaw. Have we done anything since? No. Do we plan on it? No. Thanks for playing.

Stasis trained even if I told him not too.

He also trained in hate back in the days multiple times when we ported on top of you guys.

But stasis is a cool dude, his shit dont stink and he would never petition anybody in game and take 1000s of screenshots a minute. Nor would he train again right? He would never maliciously get people banned for his own enjoyment.

[Nizzarr]

What is stasis guilty of? Disagreeing, politely, on the forums with your view point? Since when is disagreeing with someones view point on an internet forum toxic? When he trained Azrael in Seb, he did so on your order. What is his transgression?

Also, you claim "all of azrael right now." Interesting. Is sickpuppy guilded? (No) Sealer? (No) Salem? (No) Lite? (No) Chipp? (No) I could go on and on. Did we do a single joint sky raid 3 weeks ago? Yaw. Have we done anything since? No. Do we plan on it? No. Thanks for playing.

Keep defending your players like that, you're wasting your time and my time.

Nobody believes your jew lies anymore.

[Stasis01]

I am guilty of what Red99 has become, although I would argue you have been a much bigger influence.

All of this petty bullshit is just that now - It's the rules. Let's try to create a fun populated box and not a small group of hardcores.

[Nizzarr]

Lawlzies/hexica

message me in game or in my teamspeak, lets settle this now

[heartbrand]

Keep defending your players like that, you're wasting your time and my time.

Nobody believes your jew lies anymore.

Talks about "toxic", then uses the phrase "jew lies." Stasis has been nothing but friendly and helpful. Did he train people in Hate like 2 years ago? Lol ok? If we're going to use that standard then half of your guild should be removed. Why is Rettiwalk in your guild? Why is Tune? I won't even bother typing the rest of this, you know where it's going.

[Runya]

Heres a scenario.....i drop nizzar....nizzar rage logs...hour passes easily and later he's on cr.....can i murk that fool? hours have passed is he fair game? One cr kill is fine if i didnt cause it but what if time elapses?

[Retti_]

dont worry its gonna be ooc announced LNS request moving forward after deru/sirken update runya

no more confusion

[Stasis01]

Loot and scoot for 1 hour. Self explanatory.

[freez]

Thats why you have stasis and all of azrael with you right now!

and Checkraise as a leader ah oh ha oh ahah

better than apping nihi


lols

[Retti_]

better than apping nihi


lols

app denied

currently resides in the forum directory nihilumguild.com/forums/applications/denied_laughing_pile

[Buhbuh]

I wouldn't say Stasis always disagrees politely. He can be a tad aggressive.

[freez]

app denied

currently resides in the forum directory nihilumguild.com/forums/applications/denied_laughing_pile

lol you wish id app

id call you a faggot right now and get in tonight


faggot

[Eslade]

How toxic was red and blue to make the GM's make these rules after letting the players fix these things themselves for over 2 years. A more relevant question to red is what have you as an individual/guild done to make the server a better place. Very few of you can say anything. Now the adults have to step in after they let the kids do their Lord of the Flies act.

tldr
We brought this on ourselves by not being adults.

[Runya]

What about /lns on.....type that and you unflagged for pvp for 1hr....dont type it and your ass is ded~

[Retti_]

no thats terrible runya

its gonna be like loz, if you plan to lns OOC, if not then make sure your ready for pvp

[Andis]

lol you wish id app

id call you a faggot right now and get in tonight


faggot

rofl you my boy blue

[freez]

no thats terrible runya

its gonna be like loz, if you plan to lns OOC, if not then make sure your ready for pvp

naw beech.

its gonna be like, i dont have to say shit. im looting my corpse.

=D

[Runya]

Hey bros i just dont wanna see more people get banned pals or not.....further clarified rules ill take.....idk if we will gain more players than we'd lose if rules werent clarified ty

[Nizzarr]

lol you wish id app

id call you a faggot right now and get in tonight


faggot

nope

[Retti_]

lol you wish id app

id call you a faggot right now and get in tonight


faggot


nope

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