Server and ForumQuest Explained By Article from The Atlantic

[heartbrand]

Excerpt taken from: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/why-we-fightand-can-we-stop/309525/

Wright, Robert. "Why Can't We All Just Get Along" The Atlantic Oct. 2013: 108-17. Print.

"In fact, Greene’s own book suggests they wouldn’t. Notwithstanding its central argument, it includes lots of evidence that often the source of human conflict isn’t different moral systems but rather a kind of naturally unbalanced perspective. He cites a study in which Israelis and Arabs watched the same media coverage of the 1982 Beirut massacre and both groups concluded that the coverage was biased against their side. Any suspicion that this discrepancy was grounded in distinctive Jewish or Arab or Muslim values is deflated by another finding he cites, from the classic 1954 study in which Princeton and Dartmouth students, after watching a particularly rough Princeton-Dartmouth football game, reached sharply different conclusions about which side had played dirtier. Was the problem here a yawning gap between the value systems prevailing at Princeton and Dartmouth in the 1950s? Maybe a mint-julep-versus-gin-and-tonic thing?

No, the problem was that both groups consisted of human beings. As such, they suffered from a deep bias—a tendency to overestimate their team’s virtue, magnify their grievances, and do the reverse with their rivals. This bias seems to have been built into our species by natural selection—at least, that’s the consensus among evolutionary psychologists."

"This is the way the brain works: you forget your sins (or never recognize them in the first place) and remember your grievances."

"As a result, the antagonisms confronting you may seem mysterious, and you may be tempted to attribute them to an alien value system. Indeed, this temptation may itself be part of our built-in equipment for making our rivals’ positions seem groundless."

"When you combine judgment that’s naturally biased with the belief that wrongdoers deserve to suffer, you wind up with situations like two people sharing the conviction that the other one deserves to suffer. Or two groups sharing that conviction. And the rest is history. Rwanda’s Hutus and Tutsis, thanks to their common humanity, shared the intuition that bad people should suffer; they just disagreed—thanks to their common humanity—about which group was bad."

Good read if you check out the whole article, and does a great job of showing the Everyone vs. Nihilum mentality on forums, and explains how people like Dullah can truly believe the stuff they type.

[Retti_]

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[Dullah]

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[Hateraid]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1236547#post1236547

[runlvlzero]

I am perfect.

[heartbrand]

While I knew everyone would say tl;dr, and the actual article is very long, if someone truly takes the time to read it, it's an incredibly interesting read that completely changed the way I look @ so called "islamic extremism" etc.

[Retti_]

ur an islamic extremist?

reported

[Danger]

نحن جميعا بحاجة إلى أن تقدم إلى الله

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxzTYKj93tk

heartbrand is al Mahdi

[Something'Witty]

Great article, would read again, and is very applicable to the various factions on the server / forums.

[Nizzarr]

Excerpt taken from: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/why-we-fightand-can-we-stop/309525/

Wright, Robert. "Why Can't We All Just Get Along" The Atlantic Oct. 2013: 108-17. Print.

"In fact, Greene’s own book suggests they wouldn’t. Notwithstanding its central argument, it includes lots of evidence that often the source of human conflict isn’t different moral systems but rather a kind of naturally unbalanced perspective. He cites a study in which Israelis and Arabs watched the same media coverage of the 1982 Beirut massacre and both groups concluded that the coverage was biased against their side. Any suspicion that this discrepancy was grounded in distinctive Jewish or Arab or Muslim values is deflated by another finding he cites, from the classic 1954 study in which Princeton and Dartmouth students, after watching a particularly rough Princeton-Dartmouth football game, reached sharply different conclusions about which side had played dirtier. Was the problem here a yawning gap between the value systems prevailing at Princeton and Dartmouth in the 1950s? Maybe a mint-julep-versus-gin-and-tonic thing?

No, the problem was that both groups consisted of human beings. As such, they suffered from a deep bias—a tendency to overestimate their team’s virtue, magnify their grievances, and do the reverse with their rivals. This bias seems to have been built into our species by natural selection—at least, that’s the consensus among evolutionary psychologists."

"This is the way the brain works: you forget your sins (or never recognize them in the first place) and remember your grievances."

"As a result, the antagonisms confronting you may seem mysterious, and you may be tempted to attribute them to an alien value system. Indeed, this temptation may itself be part of our built-in equipment for making our rivals’ positions seem groundless."

"When you combine judgment that’s naturally biased with the belief that wrongdoers deserve to suffer, you wind up with situations like two people sharing the conviction that the other one deserves to suffer. Or two groups sharing that conviction. And the rest is history. Rwanda’s Hutus and Tutsis, thanks to their common humanity, shared the intuition that bad people should suffer; they just disagreed—thanks to their common humanity—about which group was bad."

Good read if you check out the whole article, and does a great job of showing the Everyone vs. Nihilum mentality on forums, and explains how people like Dullah can truly believe the stuff they type.

Pretty funny you link an article on judging people differently, proceed to judge people at the end of his thread

[heartbrand]

I'm not sure if it's a judgment, I was stating it's a good example of how people passionately believe the things they write, even when to outside lookers it appears dishonest. I'm guilty of this as well, although I try my hardest to be a devils advocate and approach things from a neutral viewpoint. I don't think I've ever came to these boards and accused Nihilum of RMT as a guild entity, or exploiting as a guilt entity, or some of those tin foil hat theories. I have levied accusations at individuals, however, for certain behaviors, and believe when I have that they have been truthful and accurate. Shrug.

I've said since day 1, there are good people in every guild, and there are bad people in every guild, and even many of the bad people aren't 100% bad.

[Nizzarr]

You are a bad "people" and you're 100% bad/toxic

[heartbrand]

What does that say about your guild then that guilded me for over a year and gave me every item in the game?

P.s I've prolly PL'ed and given more plat anyway than every other person on this server or am at the very least in the top five. I've ran open planar raids for casuals, done a dozen plus free JC events, trivia for loot, spammed blue and other sites to get players. What have you done?

[Nizzarr]

I can deal with toxic players. Not everybody can, given the amount of red dawn apps I have.

Thanks for the recruits

[heartbrand]

So you're basically saying you guild toxic players because you don't care but your guild isn't toxic even though you guild toxic players? Am I following this flawless logic? People will always app nihilum because you are on top. If you want gear nihilum is easily the fastest way to get that. The people who claim they left because of a single joint sky raid three weeks ago and who gave zero input to me or complaint aren't the type of members I'm looking for.

Also look at the difference in tone between us. Your posts are usually snarky / factually incorrect / spiteful / contain religious slurs, etc. I choose to keep things matter of fact and on point.

[Nizzarr]

I dont even read your posts anymore.

I'll just say thanks for the recruits, keep doing dumb shit.

[heartbrand]

I knew from the get go many people would use red dawn to level safely and gear up. However, the fear or failing doesn't deter me. I'd rather try and lose then not try and win.

[Kraftwerk]

The fact that Nizzarr can only muster up one sentence non applicable retorts is one of a plethora of reasons why I'm happy I'll never join Nihilum and am glad to have Checkraise leading me to the pixel promised land.

[Nizzarr]

Have fun.

[k9quaint]

Red dawn levels em. Nizzar gears them. Then they come back to Red Dawn to PvP. ;)

[Dullah]

The fact that Nizzarr can only muster up one sentence non applicable retorts is one of a plethora of reasons why I'm happy I'll never join Nihilum and am glad to have Checkraise leading me to the pixel promised land.

plane of fear 4 lyfe

[heartbrand]

Shrug you can poke fun all you want at our progression with snarky comments it doesn't phase me. We are growing as a guild and when the time comes we will compete. If you think that velious with its 15+ minute fights will be an uncontested cakewalk with p99 firsts as we sit back and do nothing then you're very mistaken.

[Beastro]

You are a bad "people" and you're 100% bad/toxic

Sums up this servers population nicely.

[Tradesonred]

Problem with Israel and basically everywhere else put it simply is that its run by sick fucks who view other human beings as cattle.

People everywhere gain some ground once in a while with the weight of the troubles of everyday life on them, get repressed back.

Things are gonna drastically change in our lifetimes i think, for better or worse, but it cant hold.

[Nizzarr]

Red dawn levels em. Nizzar gears them. Then the bad apples come back to Red Dawn to PvP. ;)

[heartbrand]

Bad apples like Tunak, new Nihilum app who was banned for stripping and deleting? Let's cut the whole white knight act, especially after Eximo just got busted and banned for RMT.

[Tassador]

We all know the only way to clean this toxic is to start from
Scratch

[Beastro]

Problem with Israel and basically everywhere else put it simply is that its run by sick fucks who view other human beings as cattle.

People everywhere gain some ground once in a while with the weight of the troubles of everyday life on them, get repressed back.

Things are gonna drastically change in our lifetimes i think, for better or worse, but it cant hold.

Yeah, how dare people look after their own interests.

[Clark]

Naturally unbalanced perspective sounds like a lot of neck beards we may know.