PSA: PNP violation screenshots

[Bidin]

I recently petitioned this screenshot as a violation of the new pnp, and was told that it was not enough proof for disciplinary action.

What does the community think?

http://i.imgur.com/g7e2eqt.png

Sure seems obvious to me.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/5dv1s4z.jpg

[Derubael]

Nobody has to "allow" you LnS. It's a right.

That being said, your screenshot don't show anything, except that someone named Checkraise killed you.

I already told you this wasn't sufficient evidence to prove anything at all in the petition forum. I guess you're just posting this here for attention then?

[Bidin]

Not posting this for attention at all. You made your decision, which is fine. Not expecting this to change at all.
If you want to see someone posting for attention, should I refer you to the 10 threads Stasis starts a day?
As I said in the OP, I'm asking for other peoples opinions. Thanks for giving us your opinion Derubael publicly though.

[Derubael]

You are very welcome! I hope you get the answers and opinions you are looking for!

[Swish]

What's this about Shrimp corpse camping people (looking at what Selena is saying in the screenshot)...lets have the full story?

[Derubael]

Depending on the screenshot, we can potentially use that alone as evidence. Multiple screenshots is even better, and screenshots + logs is even better than that. Bottom line is this screenshot doesn't show anything, and there isn't really anything to show - Zade talked to him in game already and it seems this is just a case of someone being mad and trying to get someone else suspended.

[Bidin]

I didn't really understand what he mean't by that /shrug
Could have been the Ragefire raid where I sat on their corpses waiting for my guild to leave so I could rez one of their clerics.
OR
He could mean the fear raid where we killed 17 of them and 25 of them camped out (We came in because they were raiding with Azrael). We left like 6 people in zone waiting for the rest of them to log back in, but they were too scared.

[Bidin]

Zade talked to him in game already and it seems this is just a case of someone being mad and trying to get someone else suspended.
Think what you wanna think Derubael. Everyone entitled to their own opinion. I felt like starting a forum thread. Would you have liked it better if I made a new thread about varience?

Edit: If you're suggesting I doctored the image to try to get Checkraise suspended, you're completely incorrect. I figured since you are a GM and all you could have checked my logs server side, but I guess that's too much work since you suggested that we provide our own logs.

[Supreme]

Dont even try to argue the point. Seems the trolls have successfully convinced everyone that this server is the way it is because of Nihilum and now the process will begin in its removal.

I fully expect bannings and suspensions to start happening immediately based on doctored screenshots and chat logs.

When you cant compete in game then you must win any way you can.

[Rellapse36]

Tmo played the victim roll 2 when you and them are the toxic guilds on both servers.

Clean up your act 2014 is for server health. I hope you all get over whatever it is that has had you butthurt for years but if you don't I suspect you will end up like TMO

[Nizzarr]

so the guy gets lns from red dawn, checkraise doesnt like that and kill him at seb zone in.

What is there not to understand by this screenshot? not enough prof?

[Supreme]

Tmo played the victim roll 2 when you and them are the toxic guilds on both servers.

Clean up your act 2014 is for server health. I hope you all get over whatever it is that has had you butthurt for years but if you don't I suspect you will end up like TMO

So being an organized guild on a PVP server and taking all the raid content is now considered toxic.

Gee if i didn't know better i would say that is pretty fucking carebear.

[Supreme]

so the guy gets lns from red dawn, checkraise doesnt like that and kill him at seb zone in.

What is there not to understand by this screenshot? not enough prof?

Checkraise is not in Nihilum.

So he gets a pass.

[Rellapse36]

So being an organized guild on a PVP server and taking all the raid content is now considered toxic.

Gee if i didn't know better i would say that is pretty fucking carebear.

Training,exploiting,stripping accounts,RMT,Griefing,2boxing

These things your guild is guilty of and that makes you toxic. When the Gm's make rules your guild leader disrespects the staff in posts. You guys think it is cute to grief people off the box. Well it isnt and I hope all the toxic members in your guild gets Fucking Banned as Derubel would say

[maverixdamighty]

so the guy gets lns from red dawn, checkraise doesnt like that and kill him at seb zone in.

What is there not to understand by this screenshot? not enough prof?

screenshot only shows checkraise killing him, period. how dense are you. try using logs next time or taking a SS that shows anything of worth.

[Dullah]

The screenshot couldn't be more clear. Shrimp was killed by Red Dawn, then not only should he have automatically gotten LNS but LNS was acknowledged by Red Dawn. He was then killed by not only a member of Red Dawn, but the guild leader himself who was well aware of the policy.

Obviously not clear enough, death to Nihilum!

[Rellapse36]

Yea, Checkraise is the guildleader of Azrael /tinfoil hat on

[maverixdamighty]

The screenshot couldn't be more clear. Shrimp was killed by Red Dawn, then not only should he have automatically gotten LNS but LNS was acknowledged by Azrael. He was then killed by not only a member of Azrael, but the guild leader himself who was well aware of the policy.

Obviously not clear enough, death to Nihilum!

screenshot shows nothing but checkraise killing him and pappa telling him to LNS. checkraise /= pappa and azrael wasn't the one to kill him so why do they have to allow LNS they didn't kill him.

[Rellapse36]

The screenshot couldn't be more clear. Shrimp was killed by Red Dawn, then not only should he have automatically gotten LNS but LNS was acknowledged by Azrael. He was then killed by not only a member of Azrael, but the guild leader himself who was well aware of the policy.

Obviously not clear enough, death to Nihilum!

Quote it b4 u edit it

[Supreme]

Training,exploiting,stripping accounts,RMT,Griefing,2boxing

These things your guild is guilty of and that makes you toxic. When the Gm's make rules your guild leader disrespects the staff in posts. You guys think it is cute to grief people off the box. Well it isnt and I hope all the toxic members in your guild gets Fucking Banned as Derubel would say

If Nihilum did not exist then all of this would also no longer exist on Red99.

Perfect logic.



What is perfect logic to me is when you cannot compete ingame you must cry to the staff/GMs. Then try to scapegoat the competition for your incompetence and lack of ability.

[Rellapse36]

Red Dawn has been granting LNS since Heartbrand remade the guild. We were doing it way b4 these PnP rules so you guys are p bad at trolling. /cry on

[maverixdamighty]

If Nihilum did not exist then all of this would also no longer exist on Red99.

Perfect logic.



What is perfect logic to me is when you cannot compete ingame you must cry to the staff/GMs. Then try to scapegoat the competition for your incompetence and lack of ability.

sounds logical for a guild that doesn't follow the rules and gets away with it repeatedly.

[Dullah]

Pity reply.

Obviously I meant Red Dawn. The group of players was there together, all members of the same guild.

[Supreme]

What i find funny is Rellapse accusing Nihilum of griefing..

Yet here Shrimp is killed by a Red Dawn member then is GRIEFED by the leader of Red Dawn when he is killed at the zone in of OS.

Of course since Checkraise does not have a Nihilum tag he gets a pass.

I would not be surprised to see Shrimp banned for trying to get his corpse at this point.

[Rellapse36]

If Nihilum did not exist then all of this would also no longer exist on Red99.

Perfect logic.



What is perfect logic to me is when you cannot compete ingame you must cry to the staff/GMs. Then try to scapegoat the competition for your incompetence and lack of ability.

If your guild did not exist right now. There would be tons of new people flooding in and the community helping one another getting epics. Would not be the shit show of a box it is right now dominated by toxic immature kids.

[maverixdamighty]

Pity reply.

Obviously I meant Red Dawn. The group of players was there together, all members of the same guild.

show a screenshot of checkraise contributing to the first kill and then you would be correct IMO.

[Rellapse36]

What i find funny is Rellapse accusing Nihilum of griefing..

Yet here Shrimp is killed by a Red Dawn member then is GRIEFED by the leader of Red Dawn when he is killed at the zone in of OS.

Of course since Checkraise does not have a Nihilum tag he gets a pass.

I would not be surprised to see Shrimp banned for trying to get his corpse at this point.

Red Dawn has been allowing people to LnS ever since it was remade all I see is Nilly crying and wanting to make up shit b/c they do not like the new rules

[Nizzarr]

Training,exploiting,stripping accounts,RMT,Griefing,2boxing

These things your guild is guilty of and that makes you toxic. When the Gm's make rules your guild leader disrespects the staff in posts. You guys think it is cute to grief people off the box. Well it isnt and I hope all the toxic members in your guild gets Fucking Banned as Derubel would say

you think checkraise have never done those things before? or people in your guild?

Your shit stinks as much as everyone else.

[Nizzarr]

Red Dawn has been allowing people to LnS ever since it was remade all I see is Nilly crying and wanting to make up shit b/c they do not like the new rules

we gives no fuck about the new rules, we'll abide. But you guys were already getting LNS from most situations -- only time you didnt was when you were siding with toxic players.

QQ more.

[maverixdamighty]

you think checkraise have never done those things before? or people in your guild?

Your shit stinks as much as everyone else.

if you could with a straight face say you think red dawn cheats as much as nihilum then you are quite possibly the greatest liar in history.

[maverixdamighty]

we gives no fuck about the rules.


FIFY

[Rellapse36]

you think checkraise have never done those things before? or people in your guild?

Your shit stinks as much as everyone else.

I have never been suspended in my 4 years. I have never been banned in my 4 years. My whistle is 100% clean yours tho is not.

[Dullah]

This is the exact hair splitting bullshit that we knew would result from this.

You get an obvious case of griefing where a player is killed by one member of a group, and after confirming loot and scoot another member of the same group kills him. Both players members of the same guild, yet they corpsed camped him.

down with Nihilum

[Supreme]

sounds logical for a guild that doesn't follow the rules and gets away with it repeatedly.

What rules has Nihilum as a guild broken? The leadership has always dealt with RMT and worked with GMs to get them banned/removed (Natural). We have had ALOT of people from the server in Nihilum and they all know that the kills are 100% Legit. There is no "hacking" or "exploiting" to kill the content.

You point to Training..yet we have had many MANY members banned/suspended for even the slightest infraction of the rules.

Nihilum is absolutely held to a much higher standard than the rest of the guilds on this server. We have taken in EVERY last server reject that has put in a application (too many names to list).

Yet here the community as a whole is...blaming Nihilum for their misfortunes like a bunch of disenfranchised welfare cases.

You cannot compete ingame..so you must run to the "authorities" and decry how your pixel parade is being rained out. Pathetic.

[maverixdamighty]

What rules has Nihilum as a guild broken? The leadership has always dealt with RMT and worked with GMs to get them banned/removed (Natural). We have had ALOT of people from the server in Nihilum and they all know that the kills are 100% Legit. There is no "hacking" or "exploiting" to kill the content.

You point to Training..yet we have had many MANY members banned/suspended for even the slightest infraction of the rules.

Nihilum is absolutely held to a much higher standard than the rest of the guilds on this server. We have taken in EVERY last server reject that has put in a application (too many names to list).

Yet here the community as a whole is...blaming Nihilum for their misfortunes like a bunch of disenfranchised welfare cases.

You cannot compete ingame..so you must run to the "authorities" and decry how your pixel parade is being rained out. Pathetic.

not talking about the guild as a whole, but nizzar like i mentioned blatantly trained a group I was helping in seb yesterday multiple times before bringing more people and getting a single kill. i'm not blaming nihilum for anything just calling it as i see it.

can't compete? lol. grats on seeing this content for the first time.

[Supreme]

not talking about the guild as a whole, but nizzar like i mentioned blatantly trained a group I was helping in seb yesterday multiple times before bringing more people and getting a single kill. i'm not blaming nihilum for anything just calling it as i see it.

can't compete? lol. grats on seeing this content for the first time.

If it isn't important then why cry about it?

[Rellapse36]

Nilly people are the biggest fucking collection of grown ass cry baby men on both servers. This post was made b/c you idiots do not like the rules. It clearly does not show anything but it is funny how you all are fabricating non sense up without a single log being posted and only 1 damn screenshot.

Either post more evidence (logs) or simply shut-the-fuck-up

[maverixdamighty]

If it isn't important then why cry about it?

not crying about it just pointing out you should get off your soapbox. i know nothing will be done about i know how this server works.

[Nizzarr]

Nilly people are the biggest fucking collection of grown ass cry baby men on both servers. This post was made b/c you idiots do not like the rules. It clearly does not show anything but it is funny how you all are fabricating non sense up without a single log being posted and only 1 damn screenshot.

Either post more evidence (logs) or simply shut-the-fuck-up

Clearly stasis whining like a little baby 30 minutes after the rules have been posted isnt crying like a grown ass man.

That was righteous crying am I right

[Supreme]

Nilly people are the biggest fucking collection of grown ass cry baby men on both servers. This post was made b/c you idiots do not like the rules. It clearly does not show anything but it is funny how you all are fabricating non sense up without a single log being posted and only 1 damn screenshot.

Either post more evidence (logs) or simply shut-the-fuck-up

Typical squash response when faced with clear rebuttal.

I say again..

Nihilum takes in ANYONE that can post an application. We have geared out numerous players on this server (many of which now bash us) with epics, and high end raid gear. We taught them all the raid encounters and in some cases did it to multiple characters for the same person.

We have PLed so many characters from blue transfers only to get burned when they decide to RMT their accounts or instead join the opposition.

Yet we are then called RMTs when we have had nothing to do with the decisions of those individuals.

Still you point the finger at Nihilum as being toxic to the server...the same guild that when the server population was 30 still kept raids going to encourage people to STAY and play.

Now you have convinced the GMs and the community that if Nihilum was banned then everything would be so much better off..coming up with absurd rules and enforcing bannings for events that offer no adjudication or appeal.



But you know what...Nihilum wont "quit" and give up because there is a different challenge. I know these guys and they will just push forward with whatever obstacles that the trolls and forum warriors may present. You should just learn to deal with it..or "simply shut-the-fuck-up".

[Rellapse36]

Clearly 30 mins after the rules being posted, you make a post that was blatant disrespect towards a volunteer staff is even worse form of crying.

[Rellapse36]

Typical squash response when faced with clear rebuttal.

I say again..

Nihilum takes in ANYONE that can post an application. We have geared out numerous players on this server (many of which now bash us) with epics, and high end raid gear. We taught them all the raid encounters and in some cases did it to multiple characters for the same person.

We have PLed so many characters from blue transfers only to get burned when they decide to RMT their accounts or instead join the opposition.

Yet we are then called RMTs when we have had nothing to do with the decisions of those individuals.

Still you point the finger at Nihilum as being toxic to the server...the same guild that when the server population was 30 still kept raids going to encourage people to STAY and play.

Now you have convinced the GMs and the community that if Nihilum was banned then everything would be so much better off..coming up with absurd rules and enforcing bannings for events that offer no adjudication or appeal.



But you know what...Nihilum wont "quit" and give up because there is a different challenge. I know these guys and they will just push forward with whatever obstacles that the trolls and forum warriors may present. You should just learn to deal with it..or "simply shut-the-fuck-up".

When people are known RMT'rs and you still let them in your guild. THEN you are guilty by association it does not take 50 people to kill shit right now. You do not have to guild the most toxic people you can find BUT YOU DO. Tmo just found at what guilty by association means. YOu probably will 2 being leaders

[Supreme]

Clearly 30 mins after the rules being posted, you make a post that was blatant disrespect towards a volunteer staff is even worse form of crying.

clearly.

I mean a player manipulating staff to get another player banned is even a worse form of crying.

[Rellapse36]

Clearly you all woke up on CHRISTMAS DAY mad about some rules on an elf game and came to voice your opinions on a elf forum is even a worse form of crying.

[maverixdamighty]

no they woke up for pixel frenzy. they are raiding.

[Supreme]

When people are known RMT'rs and you still let them in your guild. THEN you are guilty by association it does not take 50 people to kill shit right now. You do not have to guild the most toxic people you can find BUT YOU DO. Tmo just found at what guilty by association means. YOu probably will 2 being leaders

There has been no factual evidence presented that suggests anyone we have guilded is RMTers. If they were then the GMs would have already banned them.

You are basing the assumptions of guild on hearsay and quandary. Anyone that has ended up being banned because of the efforts of the leadership to get them banned.

As i said before Nihilum has taken in anyone that has applied to join. Even the most rejected and trolling people. Some of them have actually joined, LEFT and then was allowed to REJOIN.

As for me being banned by association since i do not share my info with others I do not see how that will be a problem.

[Supreme]

Clearly you all woke up on CHRISTMAS DAY mad about some rules on an elf game and came to voice your opinions on a elf forum is even a worse form of crying.

You are here too pal.

Check for rocks in that glass house.

[Rellapse36]

I am not mad and posting tears on a Christmas morning. I wish you and your guild would grow the fuck up and allow the server to thrive. For some reason you all are some little entitled children on a elf game so I am sure it will take something massive to wake you all up.

[quido]

Merry Christmas everybody

[Rellapse36]

4real question tho. Has any officer/leader in Nilly not been suspended or banned? I know Tune and Nizzarr has curios if there is at least 1 clean whistle in the guild??

[Supreme]

I am not mad and posting tears on a Christmas morning. I wish you and your guild would grow the fuck up and allow the server to thrive. For some reason you all are some little entitled children on a elf game so I am sure it will take something massive to wake you all up.

You sound like a welfare case that is too afraid to work for a living.

And you are bashing the best guild because you do not like their "pixel" employment package.

Now you want to see them banned because "they wont allow the server thrive".

Man up and stop being a bitch.

[Quiet]

When the GM logs in Christmas morning to post on the forum that your petition is clouded in idiocy. Its time to consider a new game.

Quiet - Ranger

[Rellapse36]

Welfare case? I buy my own computer and computer parts does your guildleader?? OR does he have to get donations from guildmembers LOLOL

But you lost the argument so gotta start with the RL bashing now. Typical Nilly idiot

[Dullah]

Sorry no one cares about you enough to give you a gift.

[Nizzarr]

I am not mad and posting tears on a Christmas morning. I wish you and your guild would grow the fuck up and allow the server to thrive. For some reason you all are some little entitled children on a elf game so I am sure it will take something massive to wake you all up.

you're part of why this server suck ass

[Lu|z Sext]

http://i.imgur.com/6zIV27i.gif

[Elderan]

Lets be honest, we all knew how the new pnp policies were going to be enforced.

[Nizzarr]

So pappa kills shrimp.

Shrimp goes back to CR, Selena(aka checkraise) threatens him in game after Pappa gives shrimp LNS.

Checkraise then kill him naked(which is against his guild policy AS FAR AS I KNOW).

Shrimp takes screenshots after the incident, makes petitions and is being told theres not enough information to suspend checkraise.

So checkraise, are you gonna remove yourself from your own guild or what? I heard you kick people that break your charter? Looking forward to see this.

[Elderan]

3) Non-Griefing / Neutral Alignment pledge. This guild will have zero tolerance for griefing. While griefing can be defined widely, for our purposes griefing involves not granting LNS, needlessly killing people far below your level for no purpose other than to "grief" them, making twink alts for the sole purpose of shitting on lowbies, etc. This is a pvp server, and we will embrace pvp, but we will not embrace griefing.

When the leader of the guild breaks his own charter something is wrong.

This guy has zero integrity.

[Twainz]

Screenshot does not show Shrimp naked. Screenshot only shows 1 PvP death. This the worst example screenshot I've ever seen. This is like me taking a SS of myself dying to Hectorchrist in mass pvp and claiming because I took a screenshot afterwards that he broke the rules. Aren't all Nihilum supposed to have fraps running 24/7 anyway. Its stickied on the forums. Next time maybe increase your chatbox and show where you were just killed by said group of players and take SS of being killed naked by said players again. Its not that hard to do a little extra work if you really want something to happen. Quit being fucking lazy. This isn't Dragon Tuesday or w/e. You don't just get shit handed to you here.

[Nizzarr]

Pappa telling him he can LNS means that pappa had pvp beforehand with him.

not everyone is a screenshot taking maniac like stasis. Guy took screenshots after he died on CR is obvious -- it can be confirmed by GMs if they took a minute and went into the logs. You can also tell by the damage he was naked.

he took 1251 damage total. he has 1205 hit points in his screenshots.

Not naked eh?

[Twainz]

All chat boxes are scrolled up with nothing to provide accurate context of the situation. Case closed. Nothing to see here.

[Rellapse36]

I for one cannot wait for these idiots to break the rules and get fucking banned.

[heartbrand]

Oh man holy lulz. First, id like to thank the academy for this Most People on Your Nuts award, my parents for bestowing me with the genetic material to have such large testicles, and all my fellow red99'ers.

So many things to respond to. To this whole incident, this is a guy trying to rule lawyer. Shrimp died to pve about two hours or so prior to me even showing up to the zone. He strolls in then and is asking us to help CR him from the crypt with the implicit assumption that if we don't he will be bringing black up to get us. Pappa was cool with it but I wasn't cool with being threatened to help someone, especially someone who talks as much shit as shrimp does, a guy who aim chat has considered a real scumbag.

He proceeds to sit at the zone in for about ten minutes or so, since he has no ability to actually get his corpse since it's deep in the crypt. During this time he's blowing my tells up with threats, so I laid him out. Per the policy you're allowed to get your corpse and get out. You're not allowed to sit at the zone in, make threats and trash talk, all with no ability to get your corpse. To be honest, had this guy instead just said hey man what's up could you please help CR me I'd really appreciate it, sorry about fear that was lame, I would've told him np and helped this guy CR. Instead he's trying to explain to me how because there were 40 red dawn and 2 azrael on a fear raid that it was justified to corpse camp people for three hours.

Anyway, he started going ballistic in tells after, we let him come back and camp out for a summon later so he would shut the fuck up, and he brought twelve nihilum to try to wipe our group, much like we knew he would when a necro came. Cool story tho.

As to all the supreme stuff all I can say is lol. Sektor is in your guild. He has bought over eight characters and twainz provided our guild with the western union receipt saidin had for the character sell to sektor. You had skelly in your guild for months who sold gems at $75 a pop. You have qazzaz and agatha known boxers. This extreme guy wished death upon my child in ooc. Have you ever read the ooc comments of Strydur and glyph or bulletproof? Real life threats, racism etc. I could go on for paragraphs about the disgusting toxic behavior of your guild that goes unpunished. Suffice it to say, no one is buying your holier than thou act, especially when you go around with VP geared 60s kill squads to get lowbie exp groups, thus killing pop even further. These rules were made because you people were griefing players either into your guild or off the server. You justify this by saying no we are the toxic players, lol? No one buys into that but you guys.

In summary, shrimp died to pve, wanted us to CR him, talked shit from the zone in, blew my tells up, had a kill squad coming for us, and he ate a single pvp death and then was allowed to camp at the zone in, depsite his bringing a kill squad anyway. LOL. Thankfully, derubael ain't fooled.

Happy Hannakuah

[Nizzarr]

Toxic behavior would include reinviting you to the guild after you've burned the bridges in the first time around.

I will make sure such toxic behaviors wont happen again.

You still killed a cleric that rezzed all your clerics in solb prior to this happening, who was on CR after dieing PVE in a PVP situation.

You agree on that right? Did you break your own charter?

[Twainz]

Happy Hannakuah

Happy Hannakuah HB!

[Nizzarr]

You talk about racism, you have rellapse who is on his 36th forum account for posting porn/racist things and have a character named "mooncricket" in your guild.

[Elderan]

BS BS and more BS

So you broke your own charter...

The GMs gave you a pass..

So when Nihilum breaks LNS the first time the GMS will give us a pass also?

Cool Story...

[heartbrand]

I don't know because whatever happened approximately two hours or so before I even got there. The player threatened to bring pvp if we didn't help him CR, and despite letting him camp there to summon still brought pvp. He also remained at zone in talking shit with no ability to get his corpse as he waited for nihilum groups for pvp. So, to answer your question, it is absolutely allowed under our charter to kill players like that.

P.s we let him camp out at zone in and he still brought pvp anyway

[heartbrand]

So you broke your own charter...

The GMs gave you a pass..

So when Nihilum breaks LNS the first time the GMS will give us a pass also?

Cool Story...

Think you need to learn how to read and argue. Though for my sake, it's probably better you don't so that you continue to lose petition quest.

[Nizzarr]

I don't know because whatever happened approximately two hours or so before I even got there. The player threatened to bring pvp if we didn't help him CR, and despite letting him camp there to summon still brought pvp. He also remained at zone in talking shit with no ability to get his corpse as he waited for nihilum groups for pvp. So, to answer your question, it is absolutely allowed under our charter to kill players like that.

P.s we let him camp out at zone in and he still brought pvp anyway

Thats a big load of bullshit.

I had to go get his corpse before our repop day(which you didnt contest anything again).

You have logs of everything, lets see those "threatening tells". I am certain you'd be happy to share them with us.

You are usually so quick when it comes to post tells like that to discredit people, please do so.

[Elderan]

Think you need to learn how to read and argue. Though for my sake, it's probably better you don't so that you continue to lose petition quest.

Sorry you fail to see logic.

Your head is filled with such self grandeur, you have a sickness that cannot be cured.

[Rellapse36]

You talk about racism, you have rellapse who is on his 36th forum account for posting porn/racist things and have a character named "mooncricket" in your guild.

I provided proof that "Mooncricket" was not racist, Only retards think what you ead off of ubran dict is fact. My 36th forum account has nothing to do with racism most of my bans have been for trolling outside RnF.

In my 4 years on these server I have NOT been suspended or banned for cheating,exploiting or training. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME? My whistle is clean unlike yours. You and your guild full of toxic people

[heartbrand]

Well in all fairness I'm on my iPhone not at home at the moment or I would copy and paste the log, though when I get home and do you'll just say it's doctored anyway.

Of course we didn't contest, we had twenty people online, maybe two of whom were level 60, and you had 42 for severilous. This isn't velious, the mobs die in thirty seconds and we'd probably lose more people to severilous AoE than pvp. We will contest eventually, but only in situations where it makes sense.

You say its bullshit, cool, I say you're full of bullshit. Sounds like he said she said, hence why this petition is a wrap folks.

[heartbrand]

Sorry you fail to see logic.

Your head is filled with such self grandeur, you have a sickness that cannot be cured.

You realize that your rebuttal was basically "BS ROAR," and then you state I fail to see your logic. You're correct elderan, I do fail to see your logic in that well written response, and I look forward to you elucidating the matter for me.

[heartbrand]

I provided proof that "Mooncricket" was not racist, Only retards think what you ead off of ubran dict is fact. My 36th forum account has nothing to do with racism most of my bans have been for trolling outside RnF.

In my 4 years on these server I have NOT been suspended or banned for cheating,exploiting or training. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME? My whistle is clean unlike yours. You and your guild full of toxic people

I too have never been suspended or banned for RMT / cheating. Feels good to know you play clean.

[quido]

you have a sickness that cannot be cured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFJhO90VN8

[Elderan]

I too have never been suspended or banned for RMT / cheating. Feels good to know you play clean.

You were banned for suspicion of RMT once though...

[Nizzarr]

Well in all fairness I'm on my iPhone not at home at the moment or I would copy and paste the log, though when I get home and do you'll just say it's doctored anyway.

Of course we didn't contest, we had twenty people online, maybe two of whom were level 60, and you had 42 for severilous. This isn't velious, the mobs die in thirty seconds and we'd probably lose more people to severilous AoE than pvp. We will contest eventually, but only in situations where it makes sense.

You say its bullshit, cool, I say you're full of bullshit. Sounds like he said she said, hence why this petition is a wrap folks.

All I see in your guilds future is a lot of LNS.

[heartbrand]

You were banned for suspicion of RMT once though...

Correct, I was reported by mellowyellow out of spite for "running a RMT ring" as was bronkus and raze and we all ate basically a 48 hour ban as they investigated his claim. My name was then cleared and it was confirmed that I am a clean player. So again, what's your point exactly?

[quido]

What'd you get for Christmas, Nizzar?

[heartbrand]

All I see in your guilds future is a lot of LNS.

That sounds kind of like a video game threat, and seems kind of toxic. I'll alert my parents and try my best to endure.

[AmukTZ]

If I ran the top dog guild and I had a member come to a public forum and QQ so hard about a death like this and tell the staff that they don't do any work. That member would be muzzled or booted instantly for panty-pudding posting.Instead the leader and a few others come join in the qq...


You gals got each other's back! Fierce! Meow#


(Edit) The leader went and made a seperate thread....*mind blown*

[Not_Kazowi]

Not posting this for attention at all. You made your decision, which is fine. Not expecting this to change at all.
If you want to see someone posting for attention, should I refer you to the 10 threads Stasis starts a day?
As I said in the OP, I'm asking for other peoples opinions. Thanks for giving us your opinion Derubael publicly though.

Dude get real. You are totally attention whoring: you sat at the ent of sebilis after this with no way and no progress of getting your corpse for like 2 hours. You sat there telling us over and over that you are petitioning and reporting us like we were for sure getting banned.

Pretty sure that these new rules don't make it so you can sit in a zone and taunt people with immunity.

Like I said in game yesterday, man the fuck up and stop wasting people's time.

[Not_Kazowi]

You were banned for suspicion of RMT once though...

Didn't you buy your irl loser guild leader a computer or something for dkp? (Lol)

[heartbrand]

He also bought a shaman account, and paid $15 per a golem wand. But he's got 8 figures so it's all good.

[quido]

I am petitioning for interactions with Shrimp and all his characters to be permanently exempt from the Play-Nice Policy. This guy is the biggest weakling whiner on the server and allowing him such consideration is only going to result in a never-ending barrage of petitions, whiny forum posts, and general idiocy.

[Not_Kazowi]

Let's not forget I saw a couple nihilum kill a red dawn on corpse run to cdok yesterday in burning woods. They tried to force him to LNS so that he would be zone blocked from his corpse.

They cried in ooc about it for a few minutes, Nihilum already trying to abuse the new system for griefing. Bunch of cry baby faggots.

Make it so if you want LNS from now on that the shit is announced in ooc.

[Obwin]

Oh man holy lulz. First, id like to thank the academy for this Most People on Your Nuts award, my parents for bestowing me with the genetic material to have such large testicles, and all my fellow red99'ers.

So many things to respond to. To this whole incident, this is a guy trying to rule lawyer. Shrimp died to pve about two hours or so prior to me even showing up to the zone. He strolls in then and is asking us to help CR him from the crypt with the implicit assumption that if we don't he will be bringing black up to get us. Pappa was cool with it but I wasn't cool with being threatened to help someone, especially someone who talks as much shit as shrimp does, a guy who aim chat has considered a real scumbag.

He proceeds to sit at the zone in for about ten minutes or so, since he has no ability to actually get his corpse since it's deep in the crypt. During this time he's blowing my tells up with threats, so I laid him out. Per the policy you're allowed to get your corpse and get out. You're not allowed to sit at the zone in, make threats and trash talk, all with no ability to get your corpse. To be honest, had this guy instead just said hey man what's up could you please help CR me I'd really appreciate it, sorry about fear that was lame, I would've told him np and helped this guy CR. Instead he's trying to explain to me how because there were 40 red dawn and 2 azrael on a fear raid that it was justified to corpse camp people for three hours.

Anyway, he started going ballistic in tells after, we let him come back and camp out for a summon later so he would shut the fuck up, and he brought twelve nihilum to try to wipe our group, much like we knew he would when a necro came. Cool story tho.

As to all the supreme stuff all I can say is lol. Sektor is in your guild. He has bought over eight characters and twainz provided our guild with the western union receipt saidin had for the character sell to sektor. You had skelly in your guild for months who sold gems at $75 a pop. You have qazzaz and agatha known boxers. This extreme guy wished death upon my child in ooc. Have you ever read the ooc comments of Strydur and glyph or bulletproof? Real life threats, racism etc. I could go on for paragraphs about the disgusting toxic behavior of your guild that goes unpunished. Suffice it to say, no one is buying your holier than thou act, especially when you go around with VP geared 60s kill squads to get lowbie exp groups, thus killing pop even further. These rules were made because you people were griefing players either into your guild or off the server. You justify this by saying no we are the toxic players, lol? No one buys into that but you guys.

In summary, shrimp died to pve, wanted us to CR him, talked shit from the zone in, blew my tells up, had a kill squad coming for us, and he ate a single pvp death and then was allowed to camp at the zone in, depsite his bringing a kill squad anyway. LOL. Thankfully, derubael ain't fooled.

Happy Hannakuah

Read every word, HB typed up on an iPhone, this man shows true dedication to the truth! Fighting rule lawyers at every turn. Meanwhile 40+ people enjoying EQ for the first time in years thanks to HB. Big things coming for the server.

[Dacuk]

wait lol this guy started this whole crying fest trying to lns from a PVE death?????? sheeesh what a clwon

[Stasis01]

When I tried LNSing after Naggy Shrimp was the main person talking shit to me and saying I can wait till the raid mob is dead, and I am a piece of shit etc.

Then after I died he asked if I wanted a res, I said no, and he said fine last time I offer help to you "Screenshotted" as if it proves that I am an asshole.

Keep an eye out for this guy GM, he's a perfect person to be an example, not from what has happened but he will further try to create issues with the new rules in an attempt to make GM's burn out.

[Nizzarr]

spin spin spin

[Stasis01]

I honestly believe a few harsh bannings and suspensions will force people to stop being drama queens and trying to discredit the rule.

But that's just IMO.

[Stasis01]

I wasn't there, I am just pointing out the outrage from Shrimp, and how he was so upset over the new PNP.

If someone will be disgruntled and trying to ruin the new system it will be him.

Why are you guys such clowns about this.

[heartbrand]

You keep saying spin with no facts or counter story. It's no wonder you suck at PetitionQuest. Did we not let Shrimp camp out to get a summon? Did you not bring two groups of 60's to kill our group there? Are you disputing these facts? You can't claim LNS and then bring a hit squad.

[Derubael]

Shrimp provided no logs, and only 1 awful screenshot with 0 context except, "i died then checkraise killed me". Killing someone naked isn't even against the rules.

We're not looking to show bias to anyone with this rule set. If you thought a suspension/ban was warranted for the screenshot this guy provided, I'm glad you're not responsible for making these calls. Half the server would be banned if we made decisions based on evidence like this.

Also,

Merry Christmas!
^ that :D

[Nizzarr]

what? we brought a group after you've broken the LNS and killed him on CR, which was 40+ minutes after the screenshots he posted.

[Lu|z Sext]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0umnHV4p1rhk726o1_500.gif

[Stasis01]

Just a few questions I would have is why is the chat log scrolled up - why is he asking for Pappa to CR him, why is he doing a CR he is unable to complete, why is it just one screen shot that shows no /time or LNS request etc.

I would say this is too vague? I guess you're just fighting the rule though so it makes sense that it would be vague.

[Stasis01]

Why is main chat and other chat scrolled up but combat text isn't.

Why is the LNS granted show no context to the situation. Why does Shrimp not have text requesting LNS and his situation in msgs with checkraise/people there etc.

This is clearly greasey maneuvers.

[heartbrand]

what? we brought a group after you've broken the LNS and killed him on CR, which was 40+ minutes after the screenshots he posted.

You brought two groups and it was after we let this guy camp out on top of us for a summon, despite him threatening to have us all banned and talking shit. Nonetheless we took the high road, knowing you'd violate the rules and not scoot, and let him camp anyway. To be quite honest if any suspension is warranted it should be a nihilum suspension for their flagrant disregard for scooting by requesting to camp out for CR and then pvping. Luckily for you, I didn't bother screenshotting all of that. Merry Christmas :)

[Stasis01]

Why wouldn't he msg pappa before hand and ask if he would drag so he would know that this was all understood and clarified?

So many bullshit points on this single SS sorry to say.

[Stasis01]

Shrimp logged out at the entrance and then logged in when pvp came? LOL they will try to ruin the credibility with any ideas they can for grey areas - just be the bigger man HB, you lead the resistance.

Let them do their greaseyness just be the white knight and this will all blow over.

[Stasis01]

The good thing about this rule is maybe people will be nice to each other eventually, and rogues could CR enemies and res them up/send them on their way.

This is obviously too new and early for this type of behavior but maybe someday.

[heartbrand]

Shrimp logged out at the entrance and then logged in when pvp came? LOL they will try to ruin the credibility with any ideas they can for grey areas - just be the bigger man HB, you lead the resistance.

Let them do their greaseyness just be the white knight and this will all blow over.

Yup, and then they tried to petition it as a violation of the pnp, LOL! Like I said the only suspension warranted here is a nihilum suspension, but I didn't bother petition questing as we just camped out as pvp came so no harm no foul in my mind, just a greasy move.

[Stasis01]

It is expected they will do anything to discredit this at the beginning.

Once a few bans drop it will be "fine but we're not happy" like kids throwing a fit.

[Slathar]

Brag on the Internet about having 8-figure bank account. Check.

Buy leader of elf club a computer to get sword of troll slaying. Check.

Post numerous threads with egregious grammar and spelling errors. Check.

Merry Christmas, Elderan. You're a loser.

[Lu|z Sext]

Merry Christmas, Elderan. You're a loser.

[Rellapse36]

Merry Christmas, Elderan. You're a loser.

[quido]

Merry Christmas, Elderan. You're a loser.

[Nixus]

I didn't read any of this thread but here is a protip from live:

When you are or your guild is (full of) cocksuckers you have a hard time getting LNS.

If you aren't an asshat or generally associated with asshattery, you will often be granted LNS.

[Stasis01]

What guild has Nihilum not griefed and allowed LNS - name 1. A contesting guild please.

[Snufz]

Ban Shrimp.

[Kergan]

I didn't read any of this thread but here is a protip from live:

When you are or your guild is (full of) cocksuckers you have a hard time getting LNS.

If you aren't an asshat or generally associated with asshattery, you will often be granted LNS.

I've been granted LnS by every person that has PK'd me except Azrael members. They've killed me naked and immediately following a rez on more than one occasion.

I find it goes a long way to send a /tell with something along the lines of "nice fight" in victory or defeat. I've also asked for safe passage when on a CR or helping someone CR with the expectation I'd leave when the CR is completed and on almost every occasion even people known for PKing have let me pass. I'm a nobody, some random untwinked mid 50s player.

I guess my point is this server is not as toxic as some make it out to be. The toxicity comes in when its competing guilds or people with history.

Unfortunately I think the new PNP policy will turn the forumquest/petitionquest up to ridiculous levels. People will be constantly trying to bait each other into something they can screencap and submit to GMs. Add itchy staff trigger fingers into the mix and you have a recipe for butthurt casserole.

I think the PNP policy would have a much greater and positive effect if two things would have happened instead of how it went down:

1. The server staff gathers leadership from major guilds and says - we're doing a PNP whether you like it or not, let's work together. This forces enemies to open the lines of communication and ensures people on all sides get a say.
2. The PNP isn't rolled out ninja style without MOTD updates, front page announcements, etc. There is a date announcing the beginning of said policy that gives at least 24 hours of grace period to ensure all players are aware of the changes.

Common sense should be enough, but it isn't. To me, it is common sense that if a guild is engaging a raid target and you're in the zone naked or not then you are a potential threat. Wouldn't it be simple to just say if a raid target is current either alive or still has an active corpse then LnS is suspended? Shit dies in like 30 seconds. People trying to CR in the middle of opposing raids are just trying to bait them into a possible suspension. That doesn't seem at all in the spirit of what the PNP should be about. Add to the fact the staff has said and already proven they are willing to punish an entire guild for the actions of one or two people and you have a situation where it becomes a very effective tactic to try and taunt the opposition, stretching the LnS rules to the breaking point for the chance to get people suspended.

[Bidin]

Shrimp provided no logs, and only 1 awful screenshot with 0 context except, "i died then checkraise killed me". Killing someone naked isn't even against the rules.

We're not looking to show bias to anyone with this rule set. If you thought a suspension/ban was warranted for the screenshot this guy provided, I'm glad you're not responsible for making these calls. Half the server would be banned if we made decisions based on evidence like this.

Also,


^ that :D

I figured you'd look in the logs yourself, since you're a gm.
Sorry for interrupting you making people into boats in EC on blue.

[Kergan]

What guild has Nihilum not griefed and allowed LNS - name 1. A contesting guild please.

I very distinctly remember Nihilum granting LnS to Red Dawn in one of their early fear raids. Heartbrand commented on this very forum how it was a fun learning experience and everyone walked away butthurt free even the people who had lost.

[Stasis01]

Planar trash is contesting? I think they cared when they went for Naggy and started griefing them correct me if I'm wrong.

They always have an excuse.

[Stasis01]

Another example would be Force, who were allowed to level grief free till they went for Innoruuk, and then we crushed them so they wouldn't help Azrael (actually a pretty good core of hardcoreish type players that are able to contest)

They didn't want Lite to absorb them.

[hagard]

I figured you'd look in the logs yourself, since you're a gm.
Sorry for interrupting you making people into boats in EC on blue.

dont insult gms you peon

[AmukTZ]

I figured you'd look in the logs yourself, since you're a gm.
Sorry for interrupting you making people into boats in EC on blue.

Seriously? It's Christmas dude and you want him to look at logs for you? You're lack of respect and sense of entitlement is disgusting.

Cry us a river, JT.

[Colgate]

shrimp definitely a huge crybaby

he and i were cool, and then as per usual i said something about how nihilum are scumbags in /ooc after he joined, and he started spamming me with tells in-game about how it's not cool for me to insult his guild like that, that all the "propaganda" about nihilum just isn't true, and that they're all white knights, how we can't be friends anymore(?), etc.

what a fucking weirdo

[Furniture]

why not hardcode some kind of loot and scoot to avoid this kind of bullshit in the future, like you repop with your gear if its a pvp kill (and not in a raid zone) or some kind of variation

[maverixdamighty]

I figured you'd look in the logs yourself, since you're a gm.
Sorry for interrupting you making people into boats in EC on blue.

yup i'm sure all they want to do is look through logs on christmas day when the people petitioning are too incompetent to be thorough.

[Bidin]

yup i'm sure all they want to do is look through logs on christmas day when the people petitioning are too incompetent to be thorough.

Well he's forumquesting at 5am on Christmas day /shrug.

Thanks everyone for their opinions. Exactly what I wanted. I am done with this thread.

Merry Christmas

[Not_Kazowi]

Well he's forumquesting at 5am on Christmas day /shrug.

Thanks everyone for their opinions. Exactly what I wanted. I am done with this thread.

Merry Christmas

You made yourself look like a little cry baby in the process. Merry Christmas :)

[Lu|z Sext]

http://i.imgur.com/aL65LW4.jpg

[Kergan]

Man, I posted something I actually thought about and in my delusions thought it might spark some meaningful debate.

I come back and it's people calling Shrimp a retard.

Oh well.

[freez]

Pappa telling him he can LNS means that pappa had pvp beforehand with him.

not everyone is a screenshot taking maniac like stasis. Guy took screenshots after he died on CR is obvious -- it can be confirmed by GMs if they took a minute and went into the logs. You can also tell by the damage he was naked.

he took 1251 damage total. he has 1205 hit points in his screenshots.

Not naked eh?

are u fucking kidding I have like 700hp naked on freez

[Pitborn]

shalomed.

[Awwalike]

lol Shrimp killed, runs back to seb, killed, tries to contact a GM anyway he can petitions 3 times in 5 minutes and even tries to send sirken a tell from red to blue. some people just can't handle dying in video games

I figured you'd look in the logs yourself, since you're a gm.
Sorry for interrupting you making people into boats in EC on blue.

it's not their jobs to search through your logs because your character died on a 15 year old elf emulator


pappa might of just been geared sitting at the zone in and you pop in naked and start asking if u can get your corpse safely without him killing you. you might of died 6 days before zoning in and talking to pappa we don't know. if pappa killed and HB killed u on CR is legal, but if HB killed u and killed u CRing from THAT kill this would be chill


p bad screen shot with even worse UI set up and /chatfontsize 6 ftl

[Rallyd]

If you have a Nihilum tag, a simple screenshot is all that is required, also.. and MSPaint drawing can also count as well.

[quido]

If you have a Nihilum tag... chances are you're a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger.

[Sektor]

If you have a Nihilum tag... chances are you're a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger.

Coming from the guy from blue in TMO prob the biggest neckbeards on these boxes.

[Agatha]

If you have a Nihilum tag... chances are you're a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger.

like you arn't either lol. haha.

[Retti_]

If you have a Nihilum tag... chances are you're a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger.

http://i.imgur.com/HHiDO6u.gif

[Feniggles]

If you have a Nihilum tag... chances are you're a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger.

i am not a wigger

[quido]

lol that was really just a shot at Rallyd since he actually is a 300-pound 30-year-old virgin wigger, but yeah

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1239685&postcount=2

I would just like to call Shrimp a weakling and a nerd once more. Shrimp, you don't even like to pvp and often plug at 90+% - why not just roll on blue bro?

[Retti_]

whats the link for?

[Clark]

Nobody has to "allow" you LnS. It's a right.

That being said, your screenshot don't show anything, except that someone named Checkraise killed you.

I already told you this wasn't sufficient evidence to prove anything at all in the petition forum. I guess you're just posting this here for attention then?

:D

[quido]

proof of nerd ya moran

[Retti_]

proof of nerd ya moran
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[quido]

I'm a nerd but not of the weakling variety like Shrimp!

[Bidin]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56096

If you are making a post that is or will lead to be provocative in nature, post it in Rants and Flames.

You know what will and will not turn into a flame war, we will move the thread and start handing out bans for those that continue to post those threads in this forum.


I know forum rules are confusing Jeremy, but for once it'd be nice if you followed the rules.

[kendo]

Lots of emotions here!

[quido]

shrimp, you're an idiot and a weakling

the new lamort only more annoying, less priceless, and worse at pvp

[k9quaint]

This thread should be in Rants n Flames.