PvP PnP Q&A with Derubael and Sirken Streaming now

[Derubael]

have at it. our bodies are ready. we also welcome praise and compliments, as well as hate tells or mail. I will always welcome healthy criticism so long as it doesn't turn into flaming.

twitch.tv/sirkenp99

[heartbrand]

Shit I'm out to dinner be back in 45

[Andis]

is xmas eve you guys kidding?

do a Q&A after xmas??!?!??!?!?!

[Bamz4l]

goin outta town for xmas later nerds enjoy the elf stream

[Somekid123]

PM Sent.

[heartbrand]

From the accusations of jewery on forums I think they assumed everyone is jewish

[Twainz]

I wish I wasn't at family dinner.

[Derubael]

It'll get stuck into a highlight, you guys will get a chance to watch it later if you can't be here now.

[Buhbuh]

It'll get stuck into a highlight, you guys will get a chance to watch it later if you can't be here now.

You pals might want to consider a re-schedule or doing it at a time when the majority of red99 players can be there to throw out questions or just put in their 2 cents.

[Somekid123]

^ Likely why theyre doing it now, with double the population, double the cry babys.

[Retti_]

merry christmas sirken deruball

[k9quaint]

I can't be on the twitchtv, but I did have one question. What happens if someone binds themselves nearby right before engaging with the intent of meming 2 spells and casting them right after rezzing?

How do the rules apply if they are intending to bind rush?

[Nizzarr]

if you dont agree to be bind rushed, you can petition and GMs will take care of it.

[Colgate]

if someone refuses to loot their corpse and leave, they are fair game to corpse camp

[Hateraid]

I wish I wasn't at family dinner.

I'm sure they appreciate that very much. The heartbreak it would cause if they could only hear you. =(

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132323

[Sirken]

in case u missed it:

http://youtu.be/WDNxL60mWhc

[Kilbur]

It's not that hard.... If they bind close and keep rushing you.... You keep killing them... If they ask for LnS Give them a chance... If they abuse LnS well guess what? They prob won't get it next time.. How is this so hard?

[HeisChuck]

Looks n sounds good y'all

[Kilbur]

Nobody is proud to ask for LnS.. The other person or guild basically just made you their bitch when u have to ask IMO. Why not honor it??

[heartbrand]

I don't care about asking for LnS, because 95% of the time it's because a group of 60's ported on top of level 52's, aka you never had a chance anyway so who cares.

[Derubael]

Well tomato king, now even you can LnS.

I pushed for this with you in mind. You can thank me later.

[Rellapse36]

I watched the video as i took a dump, Glad it was a good Xmas dinner dump the video was like an hour. That said! I am very happy to see ANY change for the good of the server. I hope you guys get the man power to go through on your word and not have petitions stall for years at a time. I would like see more changes like 4lvl range, Elda's leaderboard dismantled (causes people to grief) and so on but and happy you guys at least are starting to make this shit hole less toxic

/pras

[Derubael]

rellapse, howdafuq did you turn into a positive, contributing member of the p99 community?

im not sure what to do with you at this point. I kind of want to unban the original rellapse forum account.

[Rellapse36]

Y'all grew balls and fixed blue. Now i have no reason to be negative anymore

[Somekid123]

^ Can I request this thread be stickied, and anything with fine detail that was covered in stream be updated in this thread? For example. I hear if someone is naked at bind, you can kill them once but only once, prior to LnS or allowing them to leave zone.

Aka. Nilly cant just bind in a city, pop up half guild naked from a raid but claim LnS while they sit there waiting for a rez.

[Rallyd]

The amount of Anti-Nihilum sentiment in this PnP is staggering.. that being said, we're still gonna keep kicking all of your asses, forever... get used to it.

[Stasis01]

Can't imagine why.

[Andis]

Can't imagine why.

Rofl

[Derubael]

The amount of Anti-Nihilum sentiment in this PnP is staggering.. that being said, we're still gonna keep kicking all of your asses, forever... get used to it.

........ you realize I wrote the PnP for blue, and then ripped the PvP PnP straight from Sony's on live, right? It's almost word for word.

[Rellapse36]

The amount of Anti-Nihilum sentiment in this PnP is staggering.. that being said, we're still gonna keep kicking all of your asses, forever... get used to it.

Well this is probably true but you will need to kick our ass while following the rules ;)

[runlvlzero]

and for the record, if players on red could act like civilized human beings, this wouldnt be needed.

the Red server is going to change. either get on board with the changes, or go play LoZ

/prassss sirkkkeeen!!!

pras deruabal and zade, you guys took an interest in our community and brought alecta on board, i seen a lot of improvement around here since the summer

thanks, staff, if i didn't mention your name, it's nothing personal, thank you all for whatever little parts u do in keeping r99 running as part of the whole project.

p.s. that pnp is just about a nicely worded copy of sonys which was a good pnp, and which is what players did manage to enforce on test server themselves without much effort other than excommunication of a small community (less then a few hundred players)

[Twainz]

I'm sure they appreciate that very much. The heartbreak it would cause if they could only hear you. =(

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132323

You aren't even worth my time.

[Clark]

if someone refuses to loot their corpse and leave, they are fair game to corpse camp

[Elderan]

I understand what you guys (the GMs) are trying to do here, but this is something that will be abused by the trolls of this server.

90% of the people causing trouble are people that get off on ruining the game for other players.

Nihilum is not the problem and is probably the sole reason myself and many other players stuck around for so long. The guild pretty much gives any player a fair go at getting into the guild and generally only boot people for stirring shit intentionally or causing internal drama/grief.

The best solution would be to simply hard code a PvP immune flag after a PvP death that has a reasonable timer (eg 15-30 minutes) and immediately dissipates after looting a corpse or casting a beneficial/harmful spell on another player

I would think this would be an easy fix without the need of pulling out the BAN hammer or throwing weight around.

Any thoughts?

At that point why not just have the person on a pvp death spawn at their bind geared force log them out and prevent them logging in for 30 min on that account.

[Derubael]

Any thoughts?

While I do like the idea of hardcoding in some kind of system, just go off the assumption that any kind of code work is off the table. There's so much more to do right now that coding in a LnS system isn't even on the radar.

[Slathar]

Brag on the Internet about having 8-figure bank account. Check.

Buy leader of elf club a computer to get sword of troll slaying. Check.

Post numerous threads with egregious grammar and spelling errors. Check.

Merry Christmas, Elderan. You're a loser.

[Stasis01]

I understand what you guys (the GMs) are trying to do here, but this is something that will be abused by the trolls of this server.

90% of the people causing trouble are people that get off on ruining the game for other players.

Nihilum is not the problem and is probably the sole reason myself and many other players stuck around for so long. The guild pretty much gives any player a fair go at getting into the guild and generally only boot people for stirring shit intentionally or causing internal drama/grief.

The best solution would be to simply hard code a PvP immune flag after a PvP death that has a reasonable timer (eg 15-30 minutes) and immediately dissipates after looting a corpse or casting a beneficial/harmful spell on another player

I would think this would be an easy fix without the need of pulling out the BAN hammer or throwing weight around.

Any thoughts?

The problem is you're comparing forum trolls to in-game trolls and acting like they are the same thing.

I agree the forum has a ton of trolls (just like TZT or any message board does)

In game trolls are Nihilum, they are the bullies and force people off the box - I have been in Nihi and you do not see that behavior because you're not subjected to it.

Drop your tag a bit and you will understand, although I don't expect that to happen - just understand that you don't see the whole picture pal.

[heartbrand]

I don't think the vast majority of nihilum would survive one week on the other side getting griefed. Most of them are in nihilum because they got griefed.

[Elderan]

I don't think the vast majority of nihilum would survive one week on the other side getting griefed. Most of them are in nihilum because they got griefed.

Killing a guild contesting a mob or zone is not greifing...

[Zereh]

Crazy talk.

[Stasis01]

Killing a guild contesting a mob or zone is not greifing...

Exactly what the rule now provides.

[JayN]

From the accusations of jewery on forums I think they assumed everyone is jewish

Shalom Rogean, I hope you did not only receive fruit for Chanukah

[Rellapse36]

If a guild ever rises to be able to kill mobs consistently. Nilly would crumble too many toxic players guilded with each other for pixels only. Their core is not built upon friendship, Look at how Nizzar treats people who take a break or quit his guild. If they ever get held accountable for their actions and get "fuckin banned" when they break rules, Gonna be a shift on this server for the good!

[Stasis01]

Killing a severely underdog contesting group and then sitting on them all night to discourage that behavior.

Much like if someone attacks me I throw in a few extra to make sure the next guy thinks twice - it's not hard to understand why you are upset, and why you do what you do.

[runlvlzero]

I don't think the vast majority of nihilum would survive one week on the other side getting griefed. Most of them are in nihilum because they got griefed.

thats what most want u 2 believe, that they were victimized, thats how all bullies justify their behavior

weres that picture of faerie screaming?

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/leave-britney-alone_zps02b0b8d6.jpg

Nihilum ^^ QQ moar

No one should get griefed, get over it, play by the rules, man up, are u a pro?

[Retti_]

U make absolutely 0 sense

[Buhbuh]

I can list probably 15 active Nihilum members griefed in previous guilds.

There are very few loopholes in the rule in question. You're all still just looking at it from a purely strategic/ blue mind frame to collect and horde as much loot as possible to keep competition low or insignificant, whereas the GMs are completely changing things around in order to foster more PvP and competition. The rule exists to keep mass PvP viable all throughout a raid day without actually changing the server away from classic (i.e. variance). The idea is also to the benefit of newer players who are easily dissuaded from actually continuing to play here.

Nihilum has to try harder, basically. But the retention of new players should be significant. Right now it's a wasteland of hardcore knyuckaz. The rule definitely hurts Nihilum, but it's also good for casual players and everyone else outside of raid contexts (on the flip side).

It may be hard to see past it being just a witch hunt for Nihilum's ass, but it really is a good rule in practice. There's a reason SZ was the least populated server. You gotta give a little reprieve to the little guys. Sometimes you gotta be merciful. It's just that the GMs are enforcing it instead of it being dealt with between players now. Maybe Tune will have 300 people to pick on in the near future. It could end up being a good thing. CRing also isn't as painful if everyone is civil.

[Sektor]

I can list probably 15 active Nihilum members griefed in previous guilds.

There are very few loopholes in the rule in question. You're all still just looking at it from a purely strategic/ blue mind frame to collect and horde as much loot as possible to keep competition low or insignificant, whereas the GMs are completely changing things around in order to foster more PvP and competition. The rule exists to keep mass PvP viable all throughout a raid day without actually changing the server away from classic (i.e. variance). The idea is also to the benefit of newer players who are easily dissuaded from actually continuing to play here.

Nihilum has to try harder, basically. But the retention of new players should be significant. Right now it's a wasteland of hardcore knyuckaz. The rule definitely hurts Nihilum, but it's also good for casual players and everyone else outside of raid contexts (on the flip side).

It may be hard to see past it being just a witch hunt for Nihilum's ass, but it really is a good rule in practice. There's a reason SZ was the least populated server. You gotta give a little reprieve to the little guys. Sometimes you gotta be merciful. It's just that the GMs are enforcing it instead of it being dealt with between players now. Maybe Tune will have 300 people to pick on in the near future. It could end up being a good thing. CRing also isn't as painful if everyone is civil.

Good post.

[runlvlzero]

U make absolutely 0 sense

I'm not here for u

[Sektor]

only cure for red99 sickness is variance, it will dethrone nihilum

without doing that, no reason to play on red

naw

[Obwin]

I can list probably 15 active Nihilum members griefed in previous guilds.

There are very few loopholes in the rule in question. You're all still just looking at it from a purely strategic/ blue mind frame to collect and horde as much loot as possible to keep competition low or insignificant, whereas the GMs are completely changing things around in order to foster more PvP and competition. The rule exists to keep mass PvP viable all throughout a raid day without actually changing the server away from classic (i.e. variance). The idea is also to the benefit of newer players who are easily dissuaded from actually continuing to play here.

Nihilum has to try harder, basically. But the retention of new players should be significant. Right now it's a wasteland of hardcore knyuckaz. The rule definitely hurts Nihilum, but it's also good for casual players and everyone else outside of raid contexts (on the flip side).

It may be hard to see past it being just a witch hunt for Nihilum's ass, but it really is a good rule in practice. There's a reason SZ was the least populated server. You gotta give a little reprieve to the little guys. Sometimes you gotta be merciful. It's just that the GMs are enforcing it instead of it being dealt with between players now. Maybe Tune will have 300 people to pick on in the near future. It could end up being a good thing. CRing also isn't as painful if everyone is civil.

+1

[Obwin]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum?



Nothing becuause he strictly formquests, never actually plays. Probably a net loss since he'd have nothing to constantly whine about.

[Colgate]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum? By playing on Red you can do 90% of the content without having to wait in line for an opening.

You want to go to Charassis and camp a fingerbone hoop... Guess what? It isn't taken.

You want to go to a plane and do a full clear short of the gods... Guess what? It isn't down.

Tearing down the premier guild on a dead server wont bring it to life. In actuality it will do the reverse.

Key Azrael members are on the absolute shit list for Nihilum due to the VP training and shit talking. People loved the guild vs guild pvp and it was most enjoyable except for the aspects of griefing and shit talking that followed.

Azrael were relentless with VP training and exploited the no CSR policy from Blue. Their keyed bards were training on every Nihilum VP raid using a timing exploit for avoiding aggro to get deeper in at bard speed.

Red Dawn openly holding hands with some of those members was in essence an open declaration of war, since no one in Nihilum wants to see the rez box training griefing shit again.

If Nihilum were exclusive and didn't allow the majority of people to have a fair go, then I understand why it would be worth while tearing the guild down.

Nihilum in reality accept almost anyone on the server into their guild, so everyone has a chance at 'end game loot'.

If you are a casual player, then Nihilum isn't the guild for you and you should prolly join a midrange guild and be 'content' with Planar loot (including sky tests) as well as kunark dungeon loot.

I don't understand what the big deal here is? Until the Azrael / Red Dawn merge the guild leadership was considering passing some of the lesser bosses down, such as dracolich and naggy/vox.

Unfortunately here is where the politics comes into play.

The server needs a runners up guild to Nihilum for the more casual players. It does not need Azrael 2.0

did not read

[heartbrand]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum? By playing on Red you can do 90% of the content without having to wait in line for an opening.

You want to go to Charassis and camp a fingerbone hoop... Guess what? It isn't taken.

You want to go to a plane and do a full clear short of the gods... Guess what? It isn't down.

Tearing down the premier guild on a dead server wont bring it to life. In actuality it will do the reverse.

Key Azrael members are on the absolute shit list for Nihilum due to the VP training and shit talking. People loved the guild vs guild pvp and it was most enjoyable except for the aspects of griefing and shit talking that followed.

Azrael were relentless with VP training and exploited the no CSR policy from Blue. Their keyed bards were training on every Nihilum VP raid using a timing exploit for avoiding aggro to get deeper in at bard speed.

Red Dawn openly holding hands with some of those members was in essence an open declaration of war, since no one in Nihilum wants to see the rez box training griefing shit again.

If Nihilum were exclusive and didn't allow the majority of people to have a fair go, then I understand why it would be worth while tearing the guild down.

Nihilum in reality accept almost anyone on the server into their guild, so everyone has a chance at 'end game loot'.

If you are a casual player, then Nihilum isn't the guild for you and you should prolly join a midrange guild and be 'content' with Planar loot (including sky tests) as well as kunark dungeon loot.

I don't understand what the big deal here is? Until the Azrael / Red Dawn merge the guild leadership was considering passing some of the lesser bosses down, such as dracolich and naggy/vox.

Unfortunately here is where the politics comes into play.

The server needs a runners up guild to Nihilum for the more casual players. It does not need Azrael 2.0

Everything you said is a complete joke. Red Dawn supports anti-griefing. We don't support Training. To somehow "punish" Red Dawn because we did a joint sky raid with Azrael is laughable. Should we punish Nihilum for harboring racists and people like Extreme who wish death on people's children? You're just spewing the same old Nihilum bullshit since day one. The PR strategy of, label your opposition all trolls so that your population killing actions can seem "justified". I could prolly write ten paragraphs destroying every sentence you wrote, but it would fall upon deaf ears since you're unable to see the server how it actually is: There's good and bad people in every guild.