Can Red99 get some rogean / nilbog love also?

[heartbrand]

Now that you have removed the ridiculous training rule for VP and dealt with cheaters, can red99 get some love? Can we please have some sort of dev round table discussion about easy rule changes or tweaks that can make this server popular? How much longer will 150 max pop ( and don't quote me that 200 bs when we all know the in game count is always 30 lower approx. ) be considered "ok"? Let's have a stream for even just 45 minutes where delegates from all guilds and sides can present their ideas to the devs, decisions can be made, and we can help grow this community.

Possible discussion topics:

- global ooc
- exp rate (hot zones / grouping bonus / hybrid penalty)
- server rules
- level range
- blue transfers or copies or boxing till pop minimum is reached or the destin idea of a sub 51 box
- LNS
- level range / FFA
- resists
- variance
- GMs vision for server

These are just topics, I don't even support some of these things, but it would be nice to have a stream where people can voice their views, GMs / staff can respond, and we can finally maybe agree on some things to make this server better. Incoming troll posts and memes and the "velious will fix everything" lol posts.

Your pal and champion of box health

- Top Jew

[Labanen]

GMs just recently adressed variance.

[Rallyd]

Now that you have removed the ridiculous training rule for VP and dealt with cheaters, can red99 get some love? Can we please have some sort of dev round table discussion about easy rule changes or tweaks that can make this server popular? How much longer will 150 max pop ( and don't quote me that 200 bs when we all know the in game count is always 30 lower approx. ) be considered "ok"? Let's have a stream for even just 45 minutes where delegates from all guilds and sides can present their ideas to the devs, decisions can be made, and we can help grow this community.

Possible discussion topics:

- global ooc
- exp rate (hot zones / grouping bonus / hybrid penalty)
- server rules
- level range
- blue transfers or copies or boxing till pop minimum is reached or the destin idea of a sub 51 box
- LNS
- level range / FFA
- resists
- variance
- GMs vision for server

These are just topics, I don't even support some of these things, but it would be nice to have a stream where people can voice their views, GMs / staff can respond, and we can finally maybe agree on some things to make this server better. Incoming troll posts and memes and the "velious will fix everything" lol posts.

Your pal and champion of box health

- Top Jew

- global ooc 1 post per 5 minutes must be above level 10.
- exp rate (hot zones / grouping bonus / hybrid penalty) All great ideas.
- server rules Rules are fine, get over it.
- level range Being an RZ purist, I would not be opposed to 4 level range.
- blue transfers or copies or boxing till pop minimum is reached or the destin idea of a sub 51 box All terrible ideas, disregard this bullshit.
- LNS LNS will be given when LNS is deserved, GM's interfering with in-game politics is bad.
- level range / FFA already covered, double post bs to try and make things look worse than they are
- resists Being fixed once Alecta has fixed his hardware issues.
- variance Already been said no to, get over it.
- GMs vision for server I'm sure we'd all in the end love to see multiple guilds competing over content, but no leader has stepped up besides Nizzar with the capabilities or desire to lead a guild capable of competing.

[Slathar]

I'd be more than happy to be Nihilum's spokesperson for the round table discussion. We share a common vision for the server.

[heartbrand]

The great part about opinions is that they can't be right or wrong so stop trying to make it sound as though some things are factual assertions. We know nihilums position on almost everything, what id be more interested in is having others give input as well with GMs / staff on stream, with the chance to make our cases for things outside of ForumQuest with the boring hyperbole / memes and other irrelevant tactics. Either way incoming shit show of troll posts, this post wasn't about advocating a particular position, as much as it's about discussing options with the staff directly in a different medium then ForumQuest. If you want to debate those things do it in a different thread.

Every thread turns into nihilum vs everyone else. I want a round table discussion where we can bounce all sorts of ideas off each other in hopes of us being able to reach a happy middle ground to building a healthier server.

[Rallyd]

The great part about opinions is that they can't be right or wrong so stop trying to make it sound as though some things are factual assertions. We know nihilums position on almost everything, what id be more interested in is having others give input as well with GMs / staff on stream, with the chance to make our cases for things outside of ForumQuest with the boring hyperbole / memes and other irrelevant tactics. Either way incoming shit show of troll posts, this post wasn't about advocating a particular position, as much as it's about discussing options with the staff directly in a different medium then ForumQuest. If you want to debate those things do it in a different thread.

Every thread turns into nihilum vs everyone else. I want a round table discussion where we can bounce all sorts of ideas off each other than can reach a happy middle ground to building a healthier server.

What heartbrand is saying is he'd like to take Nihilum's opinion out of the equation, because he knows our opinion mostly mirrors that of Nilbog and Rogean as well.

[heartbrand]

No, I believe your opinions are well documented as being things to help solidify one guilds hold on the server. Everyone knows nihilums opinions:

Transfers are bad / variance is bad / LNS is bad / level range bad / some of you support exp changes but most don't. Rules are great as is. I.e, all things that he'll keep the ruling guild in place, help make it difficult to compete (incoming non sequiturs about no leaders or some other bs); and have led to this server being a ghost town. It's not working. I'm glad it's working for one guild, but it's not for everyone else.

People aren't flocking here. There's a reason for that. Some we may all agree on such as the state of global ooc. Some, a few of us may agree on such as exp. Some we may completely disagree on. But in the context of ForumQuest nothing will ever happen other than locked threads and mud slinging. Hence the desire for civil discourse on a stream.

No one is asking to disband nihilum or ban their members or to force rotations or things like that. We do want a more competitive environment though, which is predicated on a fresh influx of players. The tired reason of "there's no one to build something" is just factually inaccurate. Let's take a real look at why the server is how it is and lets do it on stream.

[runlvlzero]

Dont be mad they fixed our hotkeys and that ugly EQ button on red.

thx guyz

[Hateraid]

How bout pay attention to your baby?

[Rallyd]

No, I believe your opinions are well documented as being things to help solidify one guilds hold on the server. Everyone knows nihilums opinions:

Transfers are bad / variance is bad / LNS is bad / level range bad / some of you support exp changes but most don't. Rules are great as is. I.e, all things that he'll keep the ruling guild in place, help make it difficult to compete (incoming non sequiturs about no leaders or some other bs); and have led to this server being a ghost town. It's not working. I'm glad it's working for one guild, but it's not for everyone else.

Transfers are terrible, being able to level up on a blue server, get gear on a blue server, then transfer to a red server, is blasphemous.

Variance is retarded, PVP over PVE targets is the goal of a red server, this is best accomplished by all parties knowing when the PVE will be available.

LNS is not bad, LNS is awesome, and it is working as intended right now. Red Dawn received LNS on every guild v guild occasion before you decided to ally with Azrael the griefers. You dug your graves by shaking hands with the toxic players.

Level range changes are disliked by the majority of players because it decreases the available pool of players in which they can pvp. A valid concern. I believe a 4 level range would increase the ability for the lower level player to actually have a chance, therefore I support 4 level range.

Exp changes, definitely are needed. Ones that support group play on a pvp server are very important, standalone solo xp modifiers should be avoided, but have not been thus far.

[Dullah]

No reason to have 4 lvl range on a server without item loot. 4 levels was necessary on Rallos zek, but without that risk, all the other pvp servers had 8+ lvl pvp range.

Shits classic.

[Dullah]

Being that we were the guild that original suggested transfers, obviously we support it. Not everyone may agree, but thats the general position.

How players would be transferred is the main point in contention though. I personally wouldn't want to see players coming over max level with all their gear and flood the economy with uncontested pixels. My recommendation would be naked lvl 50 capped characters (or nodrop prekunark gear) in order to encourage players to do a little leveling together and acquire 50+ spells and gear. Would provide a lot of competition and fun times to be had.

[marie]

hey rallyd arent u fat in rl

[radditsu]

Too early in the morning for raiding. Repops need to be around noonish

[Colgate]

hey rallyd arent u fat in rl

rallyd's cousin vaamp confirmed that he's a fat virgin nerd irl

[Eslade]

I think you guys are missing the point of HB's post. He's not advocating any of those ideas right now. This thread is supposed to get people to come together and just discuss things that they think should change/stay the same. Preferably with GM involvement.

[runlvlzero]

take away ooc when u can do that yourself already, good way to put a nail in the coffin on the servers pop, derrrr they say nihilum cares about the server.

1 post every 5 minutes??? who the fuck would stand there for 20 mins to make 4 posts in ooc, your lfg or trying to sell something.. if gm's cant see how much nihilum is ruining this server they are either A, in the guild, or B, clueless to the situation on red99

nobdy really wants to take away /ooc soldier ps, i'm a pally now!

[harold banana]

dunno how many times you can be outright ignored before you realize the server is how they want it heartbrand. Nothing changes for a reason.

[klant]

yeah, x-fer from blue server should be naked copies only so nihi can bribe them all with pixel packages

[k9quaint]

No reason to have 4 lvl range on a server without item loot. 4 levels was necessary on Rallos zek, but without that risk, all the other pvp servers had 8+ lvl pvp range.

Shits classic.

Only teams/faction pvp servers had an 8 level range. Revert to 4 level range because this shit ain't classic. If you want an 8+ range, go play on T99.

[Bamz4l]

clearly for both servers

http://i.imgur.com/XWzi1n6.png

[Dullah]

No matter how many times you post that screenshot, it still doesn't make sense.

[Not_Kazowi]

no leader has stepped up besides Nizzar with the capabilities or desire to lead a guild capable of competing.[/B]

Because bro, not many people are stay at home virgin sons who play Everquest 18 hours a day 6 days a week.

Let us not forget that you guys find it necessary to grief any and all upcoming guilds and competition until no one has the spirit to even play this piece of shit anymore.

You and your guild are all fucking delusional.

[Dullah]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Take the newest up and comer, Red Dawn. We had some pvp here and there with Red Dawn, but a no corpse camping policy. In fact, for a few weeks the general rule was no pvp with Red Dawn unless they were contesting a mob in a dungeon or raid zone, period. When they needed help against the real griefers on this box, we came to their rescue multiple times. When they couldn't get their corpses and were getting bind camped in Neriak, we showed up and cleared out the assholes that were killing them before they could take rez boxes at their binds.

Jump ahead a few weeks later, their guild leader was talking shit and he and his pals thought it necessary to flood the forum with tears, propaganda and suggestions of bluebie mechanics to change the server and grief Nihilum. Next thing you know, their leader is boasting of our demise and aligning themselves with the same people that have made it their job to grief and troll both in game and on these forums for the last two years.

Thats what changed our policy.

[Lawler]

^ You really think Nihilum are the heroes of the box don't you?

[harold banana]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Take the newest up and comer, Red Dawn. We had some pvp here and there with Red Dawn, but a no corpse camping policy. In fact, for a few weeks the general rule was no pvp with Red Dawn unless they were contesting a mob in a dungeon or raid zone, period. When they needed help against the real griefers on this box, we came to their rescue multiple times. When they couldn't get their corpses and were getting bind camped in Neriak, we showed up and cleared out the assholes that were killing them before they could take rez boxes at their binds.

Jump ahead a few weeks later, their guild leader was talking shit and he and his pals thought it necessary to flood the forum with tears, propaganda and suggestions of bluebie mechanics to change the server and grief Nihilum. Next thing you know, their leader is boasting of our demise and aligning themselves with the same people that have made it their job to grief and troll both in game and on these forums for the last two years.

Thats what changed our policy.

My first red dawn raid was a fear clearing of trash, nihilum came and wiped us

my second raid was forming and nihilum were camping us in neriak at the entrance

who

the

fuck

are

you

kidding

you are pure scum

[hagard]

My first red dawn raid was a fear clearing of trash, nihilum came and wiped us

my second raid was forming and nihilum were camping us in neriak at the entrance

who

the

fuck

are

you

kidding

you are pure scum
nihilum has griefed rd since day1. dullah confirmed oblivious

[Not_Kazowi]

My first red dawn raid was a fear clearing of trash, nihilum came and wiped us

my second raid was forming and nihilum were camping us in neriak at the entrance

who

the

fuck

are

you

kidding

you are pure scum

The people have spoken

[Elderan]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Take the newest up and comer, Red Dawn. We had some pvp here and there with Red Dawn, but a no corpse camping policy. In fact, for a few weeks the general rule was no pvp with Red Dawn unless they were contesting a mob in a dungeon or raid zone, period. When they needed help against the real griefers on this box, we came to their rescue multiple times. When they couldn't get their corpses and were getting bind camped in Neriak, we showed up and cleared out the assholes that were killing them before they could take rez boxes at their binds.

Jump ahead a few weeks later, their guild leader was talking shit and he and his pals thought it necessary to flood the forum with tears, propaganda and suggestions of bluebie mechanics to change the server and grief Nihilum. Next thing you know, their leader is boasting of our demise and aligning themselves with the same people that have made it their job to grief and troll both in game and on these forums for the last two years.

Thats what changed our policy.

This post is about spot on as you can get when it comes to summarizing how Red Dawn went from a decent guild with a good vision to the dump they are now.

[hagard]

This post is about spot on as you can get when it comes to summarizing how Red Dawn went from a decent guild with a good vision to the dump they are now.

this post sums up you bein a complete moran

[k9quaint]

This post is about spot on as you can get when it comes to summarizing how Red Dawn went from a decent guild with a good vision to the dump they are now.

Except the timeline is wrong. Maybe since you don't pvp, you are unaware of what Nihilum is actually up to when it isn't repop day.

Nihilum griefed our XP groups. Jizzar declared that RD would get no XP groups. The Nihilum griefed our XP groups some more. Then RD allied with Azrael. We had no choice in the matter, there was no way we could fight both major guilds on the server at the same time.

This is exactly the way Jizzar wants things, and frankly, your opinion or mis-remembered history is not relevant. Only the wheelchair can control Tune & co.

[Stasis01]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Take the newest up and comer, Red Dawn. We had some pvp here and there with Red Dawn, but a no corpse camping policy. In fact, for a few weeks the general rule was no pvp with Red Dawn unless they were contesting a mob in a dungeon or raid zone, period. When they needed help against the real griefers on this box, we came to their rescue multiple times. When they couldn't get their corpses and were getting bind camped in Neriak, we showed up and cleared out the assholes that were killing them before they could take rez boxes at their binds.

Jump ahead a few weeks later, their guild leader was talking shit and he and his pals thought it necessary to flood the forum with tears, propaganda and suggestions of bluebie mechanics to change the server and grief Nihilum. Next thing you know, their leader is boasting of our demise and aligning themselves with the same people that have made it their job to grief and troll both in game and on these forums for the last two years.

Thats what changed our policy.


The second a guild makes you angry you go full neckbeard and force them off - it would happen sooner or later. Contesting a mob and winning would do the same, if it happened.

You guys took it too far, I give up -1 pop, even after months of being super casual and you guys still doing sky/POF/POH clears you can still out neckbeard me at my strongest.

I honestly have never met a group of bigger losers in my life, and that is even after trying to give you a shot as a pal.

[Stasis01]

Elderan BTW no one will think you're cool here like they did in FOH in 1999, because of the fact that technology has advanced and teamspeak was created.

People can hear how nerdy and gay you are - and no one will ever respect you or your stupid nerdy fuck stories.

Faggot.

[heartbrand]

Elderan like 4 hours behind timeline, nihilum rd relations neutral again, peace offerings exchanged and nizzar and lawlzies smoked a peacepipe together in the wigwam

http://www.old-picture.com/indians/pictures/Peace-Pipe.jpg

[Tassador]

Elderan BTW no one will think you're cool here like they did in FOH in 1999, because of the fact that technology has advanced and teamspeak was created.

People can hear how nerdy and gay you are - and no one will ever respect you or your stupid nerdy fuck stories.

Faggot.

haha someone got served!JOKOVICHCIHCHC

[Elderan]

Elderan BTW no one will think you're cool here like they did in FOH in 1999, because of the fact that technology has advanced and teamspeak was created.

People can hear how nerdy and gay you are - and no one will ever respect you or your stupid nerdy fuck stories.

Faggot.

Oh Stasis my love, how have we grown apart so much in time.

Keep plugging away at your prison guard job, hope you get that promotion to strip searches.

[Kraftwerk]

Oh Stasis my love, how have we grown apart so much in time.

Keep plugging away at your prison guard job, hope you get that promotion to strip searches.

Scumbag, bringing RL into elf sim forums.

[heartbrand]

yaw dunno RL pretty uncalled for, not everyone can be rich like me

[k9quaint]

Oh Stasis my love, how have we grown apart so much in time.

Keep plugging away at your prison guard job, hope you get that promotion to strip searches.

Someone has to keep an eye on your dad lest he rape-spawn another Elderan.

[Retti_]

Spread and cough

Good times

[Clark]

No matter how many times you post that screenshot, it still doesn't make sense.

[Nirgon]

- global ooc 1 post per 5 minutes must be above level 10.
- exp rate (hot zones / grouping bonus / hybrid penalty) All great ideas.
- server rules Rules are fine, get over it.
- level range Being an RZ purist, I would not be opposed to 4 level range.
- blue transfers or copies or boxing till pop minimum is reached or the destin idea of a sub 51 box All terrible ideas, disregard this bullshit.
- LNS LNS will be given when LNS is deserved, GM's interfering with in-game politics is bad.
- level range / FFA already covered, double post bs to try and make things look worse than they are
- resists Being fixed once Alecta has fixed his hardware issues.
- variance Already been said no to, get over it.
- GMs vision for server I'm sure we'd all in the end love to see multiple guilds competing over content, but no leader has stepped up besides Nizzar with the capabilities or desire to lead a guild capable of competing.


Hafta give Rally this one

[Stasis01]

Oh Stasis my love, how have we grown apart so much in time.

Keep plugging away at your prison guard job, hope you get that promotion to strip searches.

30$ an hour to sit around and hang out with guys like me and fight? Yeah rough life.

I don't know what dream world you're living in - but I look around the world and think I'm doing OK.

[harold banana]

you work at a prison , put yourself at risk for hilarious salary and think your doing ok?

I guess in your little world maybe you are, but the waterfall of tears you apply to red99 and your constant crying / toxicness says otherwise

maybe you have problems seeing reality like many others here.

[Retti_]

I bet stasis let's the woods smuggle shit in for a little taste or some free smokes

[raka]

Why rl

Were all elves here

[Kraftwerk]

Why rl

Were all elves here

Because scumbag Nihilum like Elderan always resort to low blows for no good reason.

[Lu|z Sext]

Yikes.