Rogean - Open Discussion for Forced PNP (Play Nice Policy)

[Stasis01]

Proposal to add a GM forced PNP. As this server has turned into a resistance of mostly new players going against a fully geared VP guild (with the help of a few geared resistance members like Lite's crew and HB inner circle)

It is fairly obvious that the receiving end of beatings is usually new guilds to the server (Heresy, Force, Azrael early on, and now Red Dawn)

I am requesting, that if a guild fights another guild - the guild leader of the LOSING guild/team can request a guild LNS which would include leaving the zone for the rest of the night (or we can make it more specific like 5-10 hrs)

This is a true enhancement to the box that would encourage PVP and less fear of engaging a lop sided fight (90% of fights on the box)

I don't think this would fix the entire community of it's toxic attitude, but it would be a good place to start.

I appreciate the response on Variance - and really think this would help alleviate some of the grief caused by the have's to the have not's.

[Stasis01]

Let's all care about making this a fun server, and less about "I"LL FUCKING MAKE YOU QUIT"

[Nizzarr]

holy fuck shit cant you enjoy the game as it is

[Stasis01]

Further on this point - when it is single PVP, or small grp vs small grp PVP this rule is not required.

It is easier for the player to just log for a few hours and let the heat pass. The problem comes when players have 30-40 corpses, they will sit on them all night to cause grief and make the weaker players quit.

An example of this would be the fight in OT (you can see the leaderboard for the result) regardless, this has turned into Nihi camping OT corpses for the rest of the night. VP geared toons sitting on undergeared resistance members fighting for just the sake of fun pvp, no mobs involved.

Plus, if the guild leader does not call it(or person in charge) then CC/zone locking and everything goes still applies. It requires the LEADER to call DEFEAT and that they are LEAVING WITHOUT QQ.

[Stasis01]

holy fuck shit cant you enjoy the game as it is

I speak for the people who quit, and the weak - I have not quit by now, your grief does not affect me, I just look out for others.

[Stasis01]

http://i44.tinypic.com/o05mro.jpg

This is Red Dawn and Azrael resing up Nihi members not more than a few days ago - HB has told his members that griefing is not allowed. He PL's/Helps EQ Mac players and the VP geared resident guild responds by griefing, corpse camping, and shit talking.

This is not an unrealistic request - and Red Dawn has put forth every effort to be civilized with these people. We need GM's help to clean up the red99 act.

[evilldacbane]

Guilds rezzing others guilds makes me sick.

[Fawqueue]

holy fuck shit cant you enjoy the game as it is

Says this about EverQuest, but probably gripes all the time about how unfair it is that he's making shit wages and the rich are making it impossible for him to earn a living.

Things people at the top say to people at the bottom...

[Tassador]

holy fuck shit cant you enjoy the game as it is

We do need transporters and melee bond though sire!

[Ryko]

http://i44.tinypic.com/o05mro.jpg

This is Red Dawn and Azrael resing up Nihi members not more than a few days ago - HB has told his members that griefing is not allowed. He PL's/Helps EQ Mac players and the VP geared resident guild responds by griefing, corpse camping, and shit talking.

This is not an unrealistic request - and Red Dawn has put forth every effort to be civilized with these people. We need GM's help to clean up the red99 act.

My historical recollection:

Fear raid(early days): red dawn members(azrael spy) de-guilds, azrael zones, wipes red dawn, sits on corpse

Hate raid(early days): Plane of hate, azrael ports in while red dawn is trained at entrance, whipes raid, beastagor feigns and waits on corpse... the "bad guys" Nihilum come to a call for help, remove azrael and rez red dawn to go on with there day.

CoM (ohhh goddddd COM): doing epic fight for patecatl. Azrael continuously griefs red dawn out of COM, for two days straight, one shotting rezzed player as soon as they zone in. finally whipe red dawn fully inside the temple. Tune and gang come to a call for help, clear out Azrael, rez red dawn and push the fight out into EJ where Lite and Stasis persistently swooped in.

GUILD Bind during hate: American, and pals corpse camp people as they die in Hate for ohhh..... 3 hours?

Forumquest: Nizzar states: do not raid/group with Azrael or there will consequences, we disregard...

Fear Rihilum zones into fear out numbered... kills Red Dawn at the entrance... and what do the evil bad guys do... Let us LNS and leave us alone to clear Hate...


To be fair... i stopped paying attention/giving a fuck after that fateful day.... i hear that Nihilum has been nasty since then, but from what I read, it seems to be random gank squads partaking in open world PVP on an open world PVP server...

LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELERS!!!! thos are mine

[Ryko]

My historical recollection:

Fear raid(early days): red dawn members(azrael spy) de-guilds, azrael zones, wipes red dawn, sits on corpse

Hate raid(early days): Plane of hate, azrael ports in while red dawn is trained at entrance, whipes raid, beastagor feigns and waits on corpse... the "bad guys" Nihilum come to a call for help, remove azrael and rez red dawn to go on with there day.

CoM (ohhh goddddd COM): doing epic fight for patecatl. Azrael continuously griefs red dawn out of COM, for two days straight, one shotting rezzed player as soon as they zone in. finally whipe red dawn fully inside the temple. Tune and gang come to a call for help, clear out Azrael, rez red dawn and push the fight out into EJ where Lite and Stasis persistently swooped in.

GUILD Bind during hate: American, and pals corpse camp people as they die in Hate for ohhh..... 3 hours?

Forumquest: Nizzar states: do not raid/group with Azrael or there will consequences, we disregard...

Fear Rihilum zones into fear out numbered... kills Red Dawn at the entrance... and what do the evil bad guys do... Let us LNS and leave us alone to clear Hate...


To be fair... i stopped paying attention/giving a fuck after that fateful day.... i hear that Nihilum has been nasty since then, but from what I read, it seems to be random gank squads partaking in open world PVP on an open world PVP server...

LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELERS!!!! thos are mine

Also keep in fucking mind.... I... yes ME... I am a new player here.... I am this Golden carrot on a stick that you claim to be chasing

[k9quaint]

My historical recollection:

Fear raid(early days): red dawn members(azrael spy) de-guilds, azrael zones, wipes red dawn, sits on corpse

Hate raid(early days): Plane of hate, azrael ports in while red dawn is trained at entrance, whipes raid, beastagor feigns and waits on corpse... the "bad guys" Nihilum come to a call for help, remove azrael and rez red dawn to go on with there day.

CoM (ohhh goddddd COM): doing epic fight for patecatl. Azrael continuously griefs red dawn out of COM, for two days straight, one shotting rezzed player as soon as they zone in. finally whipe red dawn fully inside the temple. Tune and gang come to a call for help, clear out Azrael, rez red dawn and push the fight out into EJ where Lite and Stasis persistently swooped in.

GUILD Bind during hate: American, and pals corpse camp people as they die in Hate for ohhh..... 3 hours?

Forumquest: Nizzar states: do not raid/group with Azrael or there will consequences, we disregard...

Fear Rihilum zones into fear out numbered... kills Red Dawn at the entrance... and what do the evil bad guys do... Let us LNS and leave us alone to clear Hate...


To be fair... i stopped paying attention/giving a fuck after that fateful day.... i hear that Nihilum has been nasty since then, but from what I read, it seems to be random gank squads partaking in open world PVP on an open world PVP server...

LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELERS!!!! thos are mine

Nihilum griefs us because of our stance on variance. After Nihilum declared there would be no more XP groups for us, we started the peace process with Azrael.

[Ryko]

Nihilum griefs us because of our stance on variance. After Nihilum declared there would be no more XP groups for us, we started the peace process with Azrael.

Thank you, something i had overlooked, trying to wrap my feebel mind around all this nonsense.

[heartbrand]

A guild shouldn't need incentives or reasons to give the common courtesy of LNS. I've given all my opponents LNS regardless of tag or dislike for them. It makes the game more fun and enjoyable and encourages pvp. Some people though, likely suffering from lack of fulfillment in real life, find naked pvp to be the pinnacle of pvp. This is where I'd make idle threats about turning the tables but in fact I won't because I believe that by being the bigger man we can change the attitude on this server one player at a time.

The picture stasis linked is one example of slowing switching the way players think here to be less toxic. I don't know why some people associate CC'ing with pvp, it's akin to gunning people down in CS who have no weapons and then bragging about your kdr, but that's their choice I guess.

This may seem strange to some, but some of us can pvp and have fun and not look at it like a battle of life and death. You don't play basketball and then piss on your opponent after the game, steal his basketball and sneakers so he can't play again. You shake hands and go good game bro.

[Elderan]

My historical recollection:

Fear raid(early days): red dawn members(azrael spy) de-guilds, azrael zones, wipes red dawn, sits on corpse

Hate raid(early days): Plane of hate, azrael ports in while red dawn is trained at entrance, whipes raid, beastagor feigns and waits on corpse... the "bad guys" Nihilum come to a call for help, remove azrael and rez red dawn to go on with there day.

CoM (ohhh goddddd COM): doing epic fight for patecatl. Azrael continuously griefs red dawn out of COM, for two days straight, one shotting rezzed player as soon as they zone in. finally whipe red dawn fully inside the temple. Tune and gang come to a call for help, clear out Azrael, rez red dawn and push the fight out into EJ where Lite and Stasis persistently swooped in.

GUILD Bind during hate: American, and pals corpse camp people as they die in Hate for ohhh..... 3 hours?

Forumquest: Nizzar states: do not raid/group with Azrael or there will consequences, we disregard...

Fear Rihilum zones into fear out numbered... kills Red Dawn at the entrance... and what do the evil bad guys do... Let us LNS and leave us alone to clear Hate...


To be fair... i stopped paying attention/giving a fuck after that fateful day.... i hear that Nihilum has been nasty since then, but from what I read, it seems to be random gank squads partaking in open world PVP on an open world PVP server...

LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELERS!!!! thos are mine

We made it clear. Ally with Azrael and things will get bad. But even with that I cannot think of a time we camped your corpses. Except we will camp any char checkraise of stasis is on. Because their raging is really fun.

Checkraise is hard to kill though, he either hammers or runs away from pvp if the fight is certain to lose.

[Elderan]

A guild shouldn't need incentives or reasons to give the common courtesy of LNS. I've given all my opponents LNS regardless of tag or dislike for them. It makes the game more fun and enjoyable and encourages pvp. Some people though, likely suffering from lack of fulfillment in real life, find naked pvp to be the pinnacle of pvp. This is where I'd make idle threats about turning the tables but in fact I won't because I believe that by being the bigger man we can change the attitude on this server one player at a time.

The picture stasis linked is one example of slowing switching the way players think here to be less toxic. I don't know why some people associate CC'ing with pvp, it's akin to gunning people down in CS who have no weapons and then bragging about your kdr, but that's their choice I guess.

This may seem strange to some, but some of us can pvp and have fun and not look at it like a battle of life and death. You don't play basketball and then piss on your opponent after the game, steal his basketball and sneakers so he can't play again. You shake hands and go good game bro.


You talk big, but then you ally with the WORST offenders on the server when it comes to pvp griefing.

You have given your guild ZERO credibility on this topic now.

[heartbrand]

I love when elderan talks about pvp even though he doesn't pvp. It's akin to if that skinny white point guard who is on the d1 team for GPA purposes was talking shit after victories as though it was because of him.

[runlvlzero]

nah

just get rid of people who grief

TBH it's not the GMs job to run those players of the box if their not hacking. But it would sure be nice if the player base had some help. Community is like a stunded child.

But stasis stop trollin the devs, ur prolly going to get a forumquest lay off soon.

[Elderan]

I love when elderan talks about pvp even though he doesn't pvp. It's akin to if that skinny white point guard who is on the d1 team for GPA purposes was talking shit after victories as though it was because of him.

I could say the same about you..

Oh wait I will.

Except I did play baseball professionally for 1 year.

[quido]

prove it

[Nirgon]

Professionally

[Vile]

WHY CANT EVERYONE BE COOL. PRAS AYRO. IF YOU KILL SOMEONE JUST SAY, "YOU MAY LNS". HEHE

[Stasis01]

We made it clear. Ally with Azrael and things will get bad. But even with that I cannot think of a time we camped your corpses. Except we will camp any char checkraise of stasis is on. Because their raging is really fun.

Checkraise is hard to kill though, he either hammers or runs away from pvp if the fight is certain to lose.

You did the same to Heresy, Force, FF, Holocaust, Red Dawn, Azrael. Really, is there any guild that you have treated without this strategy?

We know why you do it, it's to decrease morale/discourage people from contesting, playing, and forcing people to either join you or quit.

Unfortunately, even when a guild has no chance of competing you will still resort to this (Heresy, Force, RD etc) and it is more of a statement.

It sucks that many good Nihi players don't know that Tune spends all day running around griefing lowbies, which unfortunately is his right as part of an open world MMO like this - where GM's can step in without being overburden with policing the box is dealing with LARGE scale PVP where anywhere from 30-50 corpses can be sat on.

These situations are rare, and with FRAPS/SS proof if Nihilum decides to sit on their corpses all day to force them to quit, GM's can intervene.

It has been proven that no matter how hard the opposing guild tries - the end result is always the same Elderan. Is Nihilum really anti - anything that will make this place more fun for people NOT in Nihilum?

This is exactly the attitude we cannot change without GM support pals.

[Kinamara]

http://laurelpapworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/war-zone-2-journalist-cartoon.jpg

You chose the red server.

[krazyGlue]

lns pls

[Stasis01]

If you can name one guild Nihilum has acted civilized to, I will agree that it is the opposition that has deserved this treatment.

I should clarify, one guild that has tried contesting - obviously Nihilum will treat Flower's of Happyness with respect, as they don't matter sorry Chewie.

[Stasis01]

Keep in mind, a GM enforced PNP would have ZERO effect on raid mobs, control of pixels, or TROLLING an advantage in ANY way.

Please refrain from your typical "HE'S TROLLING YOU GM'S"

[hagard]

Except I did play baseball professionally for 1 year.

this would require you to go outside, run, and use muscles
100% guarantee this is false

[heartbrand]

this would require you to go outside, run, and use muscles
100% guarantee this is false

http://cardboardgods.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/cecil-fielder-95.jpg

[hagard]

that guy prob anorexic in comparison to elderMORAN

[Stasis01]

He probably means competitive online baseball.

[Retti_]

dunno last i saw a Stasis screenshot he was typing /salute over a NPC's corpse, making threads and polls for hardcoded teams, and hand holding 3 different guilds

his agenda is clear

[Stasis01]

I would love one too !

Name one guild that has contested that has earned non-griefing treatment from the resident neckbeards.

You won't be able to do it.

[Stasis01]

Fun competition/less drama/more fun? Yeah I'm sure trolling this shit hard Retti haha.

If you need proof for why teams is better, just look at your guildy and pal Raze - and why he has left this toxic community.

This is a player that doesn't troll (publicly, he does troll TS in a very harmless way) and has always been a cheerful player.

Either way, that is a different topic and has nothing to do with why we need a PNP.

[Retti_]

raze is a faggot and would end up getting chain trained on a hardcoded server

point invalid

[Stasis01]

Or you're just a piece of shit.

[heartbrand]

Favorite part of nilly is how they instantly shit on people who were core 1.5 year + members who they gave every piece of loot to in the game then say how they "sucked" or "were annoying" "useless" "bad", etc. I've never seen a single positive thing said by Nizzar about a former member who plays on red99 still.

[Stasis01]

People don't chain train here BTW - as with Fraps in this day and age, and suspensions that increase in length as you do more of them, it proves to be not worth it.

After my two week suspension for training, I realized that the GM's actually police the rule and I stopped doing it - without that two week suspension, I would just keep dropping bombs, why wouldn't I?

Without GM involvement with trains they would be used frequently, regardless of players opinions of them.

[Stasis01]

If you didn't notice Retti, the above "trains" could be swapped out with "all day cc, griefing" etc.

[Retti_]

chain trained on a hardcoded server

[Stasis01]

Fraps wouldn't work on a hardcoded server? I don't believe trains have been stopped because of PVP, they have stopped because of Sirken.

[Retti_]

dunno last i saw a Stasis screenshot he was typing /salute over a NPC's corpse, making threads and polls for hardcoded teams, and hand holding 3 different guilds

his agenda is clear

add wants to fraps any and all forms of same team dispute resolving for GM reporting

[hagard]

add wants to fraps any and all forms of same team dispute resolving for GM reporting

again in english?

[Stasis01]

I'm not following either.

[HippoNipple]

again in english?

He should stick to pictures.

[Stasis01]

add wants to fraps any and all forms of same team dispute resolving for GM reporting

Say that out loud Retti and get back to us.

[hagard]

I'm not following either.

im trying understand but he is just so dum
retti, can you start paying mellowyellow to write your forum posts too???

[Kergan]

Why not just have the GMs give RD/Az a bunch of VP gear to even it out, or was that going to be your next petition to the devs?

I mean, if working for 2 years to build an advantage and then doing what is required to hold on to said advantage is going to get legislated/coded out of R99 the next logical step would be VP loot welfare.

[heartbrand]

Why not just have the GMs give RD/Az a bunch of VP gear to even it out, or was that going to be your next petition to the devs?

I mean, if working for 2 years to build an advantage and then doing what is required to hold on to said advantage is going to get legislated/coded out of R99 the next logical step would be VP loot welfare.

Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: argument to absurdity), is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial,[1] or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance. First appearing in classical Greek philosophy (the Latin term derives from the Greek "εις άτοπον απαγωγή" or eis atopon apagoge, "reduction to the impossible", for example in Aristotle's Prior Analytics),[1] this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as informal debate.

[Stasis01]

Why not just have the GMs give RD/Az a bunch of VP gear to even it out, or was that going to be your next petition to the devs?

I mean, if working for 2 years to build an advantage and then doing what is required to hold on to said advantage is going to get legislated/coded out of R99 the next logical step would be VP loot welfare.

Holding on to the advantage is running all new players off the box? Yuck no wonder people hate this box.

[Kergan]

Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: argument to absurdity), is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial,[1] or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance. First appearing in classical Greek philosophy (the Latin term derives from the Greek "εις άτοπον απαγωγή" or eis atopon apagoge, "reduction to the impossible", for example in Aristotle's Prior Analytics),[1] this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as informal debate.

I totally just did that, awesome. I went pre-medievil on your asses.

[Nirgon]

I totally just did that, awesome. I went pre-medievil on your asses.

[Retti_]

add wants to fraps any and all forms of same team dispute resolving for GM reporting

Add: Wants to fraps any, and all forms of same-team dispute-resolving for GM reporting.

Sorry if your remedial english classes didn't teach you the finer points. I'll make sure to punctuate when using complex structures.

[Kergan]

Holding on to the advantage is running all new players off the box? Yuck no wonder people hate this box.

I've said it a few times, but why push this now with an enormous change to the game coming very soon? Velious will shift the focus of people and open the world up. It's a 30+ expansion adding several awesome exp zones/areas. The raid targets quadruple.

Let's just wait to see where we end up 3-4 months after Velious?

And people knew what they were getting into when they joined this server. You made the comment to me in another post that if getting ganked by a rogue while at 30% health and rez effects, or at similar health after fighting a tough mob is too rough for me then I'm in for a rough go of it. I assume by the fact you were actually the one killing me that you support this practice. Then in several other threads you ask devs to put in rules to prevent this and how it ruins the server.

So it's cool when you do it but not when Nihilum does? Your gear/level advantage over me was just as much of a gear/level advantage Nihilum holds over a typical RD member. Or was it ok because I'm just a random unguilded nobody (the exact type of person that is at risk of getting griefed off the server)?

[compulsion]

Just another change of the week post. Just like global ooc, yt, no xp loss on death, variance, translocators, or whatever else I am forgetting.

The only thing that made EQ PvP good or memorable was the "immersion". XP was so slow that you kind of "grew up" with other players and formed a community. You made friends and enemies, and the /who list meant something. Reputation, player or guild, was important. There were "good guys" and "bad guys" and it was fun to be a part of all that.

Here we have none of that really even to begin with. You don't lose anything on death, so PvP is meaningless. Resist code is awful, so most of said meaningless PvP involves clicking 1 button 2-4 times. XP is so fast that reputation means nothing. Even if you were *so* abrasive and stupid that your main couldn't get into Nihilum(yes I know they take anyone) it would take a week or 2 to level an alt and app. RD and Azrael are packed with spies and alts so you probably don't even like / trust more than a handful of guildies.

GMs attempting to enforce a PNP would just shit on what little is left of our sense of presence in the world. I could just let Chewie kill my nub in LGuk a couple times and then complain to GMs so I can finish my camp in peace. No way a guildie would bother leaving seafuries for 20 mins to help me CR or PvP with me. I should just get a GM to help while they farm up those plats.

PNP, rules for "camps", how much more do you want to sterilize this game. It's already basically a WoW battleground with fewer buttons to push and a lower TTK.

[Stasis01]

You're right I'm no novel writer, but wouldn't you say by GM reporting?

Fuck it whatever, regardless - yes I would expect server infractions to be handled with petitions, like they are here.

[Stasis01]

I've said it a few times, but why push this now with an enormous change to the game coming very soon? Velious will shift the focus of people and open the world up. It's a 30+ expansion adding several awesome exp zones/areas. The raid targets quadruple.

Let's just wait to see where we end up 3-4 months after Velious?

And people knew what they were getting into when they joined this server. You made the comment to me in another post that if getting ganked by a rogue while at 30% health and rez effects, or at similar health after fighting a tough mob is too rough for me then I'm in for a rough go of it. I assume by the fact you were actually the one killing me that you support this practice. Then in several other threads you ask devs to put in rules to prevent this and how it ruins the server.

So it's cool when you do it but not when Nihilum does? Your gear/level advantage over me was just as much of a gear/level advantage Nihilum holds over a typical RD member. Or was it ok because I'm just a random unguilded nobody (the exact type of person that is at risk of getting griefed off the server)?

Taking one death is not even close to the same as what happens to the resistance daily, like I stated before a fight over OT (no mobs, just fun) resulted in 5+ hours of corpse camping.

I understand that you're most likely a Nihilum alt - but if you are truly a new player, please play here awhile and see how we bleed new players before you speak about server policy requests. I know you have the right to your opinion, but if you truly started a month ago you really don't know much about the server at all wouldn't you say?

[Stasis01]

Just another change of the week post. Just like global ooc, yt, no xp loss on death, variance, translocators, or whatever else I am forgetting.

The only thing that made EQ PvP good or memorable was the "immersion". XP was so slow that you kind of "grew up" with other players and formed a community. You made friends and enemies, and the /who list meant something. Reputation, player or guild, was important. There were "good guys" and "bad guys" and it was fun to be a part of all that.

Here we have none of that really even to begin with. You don't lose anything on death, so PvP is meaningless. Resist code is awful, so most of said meaningless PvP involves clicking 1 button 2-4 times. XP is so fast that reputation means nothing. Even if you were *so* abrasive and stupid that your main couldn't get into Nihilum(yes I know they take anyone) it would take a week or 2 to level an alt and app. RD and Azrael are packed with spies and alts so you probably don't even like / trust more than a handful of guildies.

GMs attempting to enforce a PNP would just shit on what little is left of our sense of presence in the world. I could just let Chewie kill my nub in LGuk a couple times and then complain to GMs so I can finish my camp in peace. No way a guildie would bother leaving seafuries for 20 mins to help me CR or PvP with me. I should just get a GM to help while they farm up those plats.

PNP, rules for "camps", how much more do you want to sterilize this game. It's already basically a WoW battleground with fewer buttons to push and a lower TTK.


Friends/enemies good players/bad griefing and good competition depending on your reputation? My Nihilum challenge - name one contesting guild that was treated with fun PVP and not "we're going to run you off the box mentality"

This isn't 1999, this is all bad guys here - which is why players cannot force the change itself regardless of how guilds or players act.

[hagard]

Add: Wants to fraps any, and all forms of same-team dispute-resolving for GM reporting.

Sorry if your remedial english classes didn't teach you the finer points. I'll make sure to punctuate when using complex structures.

don't pretend to be smart it really really really doesnt work 4 u

[magician]

http://i44.tinypic.com/o05mro.jpg

This is Red Dawn and Azrael resing up Nihi members not more than a few days ago - HB has told his members that griefing is not allowed. He PL's/Helps EQ Mac players and the VP geared resident guild responds by griefing, corpse camping, and shit talking.

This is not an unrealistic request - and Red Dawn has put forth every effort to be civilized with these people. We need GM's help to clean up the red99 act.

Whats your fuckin point. I rezzed up a full group of red dawn lowbies in seb 2 weeks ago after we killed them. Stop being a sad, fat, depressed jail guard.

[Stasis01]

Dreyo since you don't play much outside raid times, you don't see how your guild acts regularly - I bet if you dropped the tag for a month what you see would open an entire new level of perspective for you.

But I don't expect you to.

[freez]

dreyo prob worst player to grace box

[Kergan]

Taking one death is not even close to the same as what happens to the resistance daily, like I stated before a fight over OT (no mobs, just fun) resulted in 5+ hours of corpse camping.

I understand that you're most likely a Nihilum alt - but if you are truly a new player, please play here awhile and see how we bleed new players before you speak about server policy requests. I know you have the right to your opinion, but if you truly started a month ago you really don't know much about the server at all wouldn't you say?

I am not a Nihilum alt.

And I've been around about 2-3 months, but ancient history really isn't applicable to the current state of things wouldn't you say? I would argue I have a more valid opinion on the state of things currently when it comes to a new player leveling up which is exactly what you're talking about. I rolled up on this server knowing exactly two people who played here (one of which has been inactive the entire time), was handed a pixel package that contained such wondrous treasures as gatorscale leggings and split-paw hide gloves and proceeded to grind my way up solo and un-plvl'd/twinked to almost 55 now. I've been killed/attacked by RD, Nihilum, Azrael and the assortment of random PKs that roam the land. I've been killed naked on CR more than once, I've been trained, I've had OOR people dispel root off mobs I'm root-rotting leading to exp deaths. I've had people plug on me, I've had people /q on me. I also played RZ/SZ for several years and NONE of this is anything new.

And both of my points really don't require any time spent here. Just pointing out your hypocrisy and asking that major changes not be considered until the one guaranteed major change has already happened.

[Stasis01]

So you consider me killing you in SolB griefing? And you're comparing it to what Nihilum does daily?

Yes I would say your points don't apply, I won't argue with a new player - you can find these things out for yourself. Or you can app Nihilum, and never have to deal with hard times and always think that people don't play here because they suck.

[Kergan]

So you consider me killing you in SolB griefing? And you're comparing it to what Nihilum does daily?

Yes I would say your points don't apply, I won't argue with a new player - you can find these things out for yourself. Or you can app Nihilum, and never have to deal with hard times and always think that people don't play here because they suck.

I'll answer your question with a question.

Do you consider killing someone 6+ levels lower than you that you KNOW has just been rezzed griefing?

And again, for the record, I don't care that you killed me. I would have done it too. But I'm also not the one spouting off about how we should all hold hands and be nice to each other on a server we all chose for the ability to kill each other.

[Stasis01]

I am not asking for PNP to affect single or grp PVP as stated in the OP, as you can just log off and wait for me to leave (which was done about 10 seconds after killing you)

I am referring to players sitting on massive #'s corpses for hours/rest of the night, resulting in people not wanting to take one sided fights (90% of red99 fights)

No I don't consider killing you res'd (by a Nihi cleric) griefing - greasey maybe, but at most it cost you 5 extra minutes (unless you're bound far away for some unknown reason, I doubt you're pot bound) as the res was for an EXP death.

[harold banana]

play nice has to be decided by the player

if the player is a dick, he isn't going to allow it

Ive never griefed anyone, because im not a faggot

[Stasis01]

Once you contest a mob, you're grief status for the resident Nihilum VP guild.

My challenge remains - name one guild that has attempted to contest that hasn't been met with intense grief off the box/toxic mentality and community.

[freez]

people should police their own community

rep should matter

recruitment should be ran by someone with a brain and knows how to close it before they close the server

[Kergan]

So at what point does an encounter go from PNP not required to PNP required?

Any why couldn't the people who were killed in OT log off and wait for Nihilum to leave exactly?

I just don't understand the difference between 1 on 1, 5 on 1, 6 on 6 or 30 on 30. Why does that have to make a difference? It sounds to me like you're trying to define a rule that will conditionally only match a single guild/group of people which coincidentally happens to be the guild/group you are part of.

[Stasis01]

I am not saying that they cannot shit kick them and take every mob - but sitting on corpses for the rest of the night, with the only intention to force them to stop playing or wanting to contest and pvp means this is no longer a game and is just a sick obsession.

Once again common sense changes to the box are hindered by the neckbeard crowd who griefs players daily in an outrage over conversations about variance - we will never have a fun populated box without some change, as the people who decide player based rules (the top dogs) are worse than anyone else for griefing.

Winning is all that matters, even if it means forcing everyone to quit.

[compulsion]

Friends/enemies good players/bad griefing and good competition depending on your reputation? My Nihilum challenge - name one contesting guild that was treated with fun PVP and not "we're going to run you off the box mentality"

This isn't 1999, this is all bad guys here - which is why players cannot force the change itself regardless of how guilds or players act.

I can think of 3 or 4 players who quit Azrael because we would so rarely engage Nihilum on even terms(before the release of epics). Nihilum showed up, you should know since you were getting your participation gear with them at the time, and we bitched out constantly. Or Lite would change his mind 7 or 8 times and we'd end up wasting 2 or 3 hours for nothing.

Nihilum didn't have the numbers at that time to run anyone off the box, they showed up for what may have been "fun PVP" and we were the ones who ported away more times than not. So there you go. I just named several months where Nihilum contested without overwhelming numbers and where we were "treated with fun PVP"(occasionally).

"this is all bad guys here" is a joke. Basically only Chewie and Phaedra/Boris fit that mold. This is all sniveling babies who want easier XP, 2 boxing and PNP enforced by GMs. This is a bunch of people who couldn't hack having to kill 3 mobs to get their XPs back after a PvP death.

[heartbrand]

So at what point does an encounter go from PNP not required to PNP required?

Any why couldn't the people who were killed in OT log off and wait for Nihilum to leave exactly?

I just don't understand the difference between 1 on 1, 5 on 1, 6 on 6 or 30 on 30. Why does that have to make a difference? It sounds to me like you're trying to define a rule that will conditionally only match a single guild/group of people which coincidentally happens to be the guild/group you are part of.

In this instance, Tune was on the corpses four and a half hours later. LoZ had a shit load more daily PVP and had an enforced LNS regardless of "encounter" size. I would argue it worked extremely well. It's amazing how LoZ full of all of the "vztz trolls" with constant pvp and actual contesting, had a less toxic environment than red99.

[Stasis01]

So at what point does an encounter go from PNP not required to PNP required?

Any why couldn't the people who were killed in OT log off and wait for Nihilum to leave exactly?

I just don't understand the difference between 1 on 1, 5 on 1, 6 on 6 or 30 on 30. Why does that have to make a difference? It sounds to me like you're trying to define a rule that will conditionally only match a single guild/group of people which coincidentally happens to be the guild/group you are part of.

I did, it was around 2AM. I have been here since release and don't get griefed off by these tactics - but lots do which is my problem with it.

The specifics can be hashed out, as if it's for a raid contested mob/zone, over 15 players, if it's a guild represented group by the guild leader etc etc - or even make it apply to group combat or single PVP. The sky's the limit when this is a low pop EMU box, as reality around us won't fall apart if we make a mistake, and things can be reversed.

The reason it's better for 30 on 30+ or guild vs guild is because GM's won't be burdened with policing every little issue, as these things don't happen all that often, maybe they will more with some common sense PNP changes.

[Stasis01]

Like I said it's more incentive for people to dedicate the 5+ hours to corpse camp if there are more corpses, as it results in more grief - 30 corpses camped by 5 people is a success in the view of forcing people off the box, correct?

[Stasis01]

Also, if the guild leader must call it - it stops trolls/idiots from abusing and ruining the system, as the guild leader/guild can be punished as a group.

[Stasis01]

4th post sry, actually it was 2am and I was still jumped 2 minutes after a res by Masaka/Mirkuls so they were still patrolling OT at that time.

[compulsion]

In this instance, Tune was on the corpses four and a half hours later.

He was working on his faction with the lizardman tribes. Still only amiable with Allize Volew(sp?).

[Colgate]

Guilds rezzing others guilds makes me sick.

yeah i mean my goal in everquest is to force you not to be able to play everquest

DISGUSTING

[mcappy]

I did, it was around 2AM. I have been here since release and don't get griefed off by these tactics - but lots do which is my problem with it.

The specifics can be hashed out, as if it's for a raid contested mob/zone, over 15 players, if it's a guild represented group by the guild leader etc etc - or even make it apply to group combat or single PVP. The sky's the limit when this is a low pop EMU box, as reality around us won't fall apart if we make a mistake, and things can be reversed.

The reason it's better for 30 on 30+ or guild vs guild is because GM's won't be burdened with policing every little issue, as these things don't happen all that often, maybe they will more with some common sense PNP changes.

So the options are 1) Enforce PnP universally because Red99 totally has enough GM manpower to handle that, or 2) Enforce PnP on guild encounters that involve an undefined number of people and leave small guilds and guildless players to fend for themselves.

I prefer option 3 - if you lose a guild fight and don't have the ability to recover your corpses, you log for the night because that's your punishment for losing. That or find a way to recover them.

I'm guessing if you'd have wiped Nihilum and a few RD members decided to stick around to corpse camp, this thread would have never been made.

And before you ask I'm not a Nihilum alt and my main is level 42.

[Stasis01]

Yes if it was somewhat fair and not just one side getting griefed off the box all the time, and we had people enjoying this server and not bleeding players like crazy I wouldn't have made this thread.

Like I said the rules would need to be decided on the specifics - I have stated my opinion on the best way to do it, but I understand small grps/individuals may want the same rights.

[heartbrand]

RD charter does not allow for corpse camping. Thanks tho. And again, LoZ had a self enforced LNS that worked well with far more pvp and competition than red99.

[Hateraid]

Says this about EverQuest, but probably gripes all the time about how unfair it is that he's making shit wages and the rich are making it impossible for him to earn a living.

Things people at the top say to people at the bottom...

Make blind assumptions much?

[Stasis01]

The problem I see with individual CR rights is "LNS Please" then they loot and attack, and a GM is forced to dig through logs or just get frustrated and do nothing.

When a guild leader calls LNS and the guild loots and tries something greasey - it is easy to drop a hard punishment on them, two week guild suspension, guildleader suspended for a month etc not rocket science.

[Hateraid]

RD charter does not allow for corpse camping.

I had to laugh at this one. Red Dawn only acts angelic towards the 2 more powerful guilds. I see the fakeness all the time in ooc like "Great fight guys!", "We are allowing you to LNS, don't worry though! you don't have to scoot!!", "You can have your pp back!"

Its only to keep grief off them so they can pve in piece. They don't give a shit about play nice. Most will turn around and grief someone lower on the food chain just because they don't have risk for political backlash. You know how many newbs are almost forced to jojn Red Dawn these days to avoid getting griefed so they can level?

[Stasis01]

I had to laugh at this one. Red Dawn only acts angelic towards the 2 more powerful guilds. I see the fakeness all the time in ooc like "Great fight guys!", "We are allowing you to LNS, don't worry though! you don't have to scoot!!", "You can have your pp back!"

Its only to keep grief off them so they can pve in piece. They don't give a shit about play nice. Most will turn around and grief someone lower on the food chain just because they don't have risk for political backlash. You know how many newbs are almost forced to jojn Red Dawn these days to avoid getting griefed so they can level?

All lowbies join RD so they have groups to level with, any other assumption is ridiculous.

[Pikrib]

Its only to keep grief off them so they can pve in piece. They don't give a shit about play nice. Most will turn around and grief someone lower on the food chain just because they don't have risk for political backlash. You know how many newbs are almost forced to jojn Red Dawn these days to avoid getting griefed so they can level?

Says the guy who CC's naked players...

[mcappy]

All lowbies join RD so they have groups to level with, any other assumption is ridiculous.

Making a blanket statement like that is even more ridiculous. RD attacks unguilded players as often as not. It makes perfect sense for someone to join specifically to avoid getting attacked by the only guild with a decent amount of players in pvp range from 20-45+, even if they play a solo friendly class.

Not that I see that as a problem. I just think you have a very rose-tinted view of your guild and its role on the server.

[Nirgon]

FFA good
Item loot good

Two teams servers, no risk vs reward, WoW, WoW clones = bad

[Stasis01]

Off topic insignificant and pointless to discuss is my reply to that.

Maybe people are flocking to RD to avoid getting griefed by RD, I could be uninformed, I think people quitting due to the level of grief RD are putting out is beyond far fetched, and in no way will any guild ever be 100% without bad apples.

[Kergan]

RD charter does not allow for corpse camping. Thanks tho. And again, LoZ had a self enforced LNS that worked well with far more pvp and competition than red99.

When did they take LoZ down? Too bad you can't play there. If you still could you'd have no reason whatsoever to come here and try to change the rules so you can succeed.

[Stasis01]

You definitely aren't a new player heh, how would you be so confident that things are good here.

[freez]

kergan confirmed 2 day old nub-ling idiot

[Stasis01]

No chance - "come here" implying this is his server, probably been Nihi for some time - "so you can succeed" why is he so invested in who runs what, or have any history of the various guilds as a lvl 53 new Ogre Sham.

I guess he could get all his information second hand and from the boards, and then be that opinionated? HIGHLY unlikely. Sounds like any other Nihi.

[Retti_]

I am not asking for PNP to affect single or grp PVP as stated in the OP, as you can just log off and wait for me to leave (which was done about 10 seconds after killing you)

I am referring to players sitting on massive #'s corpses for hours/rest of the night, resulting in people not wanting to take one sided fights (90% of red99 fights)

No I don't consider killing you res'd (by a Nihi cleric) griefing - greasey maybe, but at most it cost you 5 extra minutes (unless you're bound far away for some unknown reason, I doubt you're pot bound) as the res was for an EXP death.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmbl9fFGQj1qizzka.gif

[Kergan]

Like I said it's more incentive for people to dedicate the 5+ hours to corpse camp if there are more corpses, as it results in more grief - 30 corpses camped by 5 people is a success in the view of forcing people off the box, correct?

Can I assume by 30 corpses you mean 30 people? Or is it 5 people with 6 corpses each? Somewhere in between?

Regardless, if 5 people are camping X corpses that wouldn't fit your model anyway as it wouldn't constitute "large scale" pvp. Well, to be fair you've never defined the breaking point between small group/no PNP PVP and big group/PNP enforced PVP.

Second, you seriously can't muster enough effort to get 5 people off some corpses?

It's too bad there isn't a spell that allows you to move your corpse from one location to another, safer location. That would have come in very handy in this situation.

I know most of my replies come off snarky but I don't want people to quit the box.

I came across two corpses in Dalnir's the other day - a ranger and a shaman. Less than an hour left on their corpse timers, but 2 hours and 56 minutes left on the rez timer. They got jacked up by the Overseer and his big AE I'm sure, dude is a massive undercon. I imagine they debated for a few minutes on the best strategy to take him on, cleared the other mobs carefully out of the way and then pulled him. They watched his health drop slowly to 90% or so, knowing that after putting in the work to get him solo and landing a slow victory was all but assured. Their eyes grew wide with pixel lust thinking of what vast treasures would soon be theirs. Then the Overseer busts out two AOEs in 5 seconds and they are at the loading screen before they knew what hit them.

Being bound in FV they knew they had a length CR ahead of them. They were so close to pixels, but tragedy had triumphed this day. Maybe the shaman lost level 39 and all his new spells. No rezzes were in sight. On teamspeak or game chat they debated what to do next. This debate lasted about 3 minutes, both typed /camp desktop and were never heard from again. Their fully geared corpses a memorial to their time spent and untimely demise in the depths of Dalnir's Crypt.

I know how they must felt, because my brother and I (monk and shaman) had the exact same thing happen to us. In fact I noticed these corpses on my way to pull the Overseer, and half a minute later our corpses joined theirs. The difference is I said "wtf just happened", laughed about it then spent an hour getting our bodies back. Many monk loots were had that evening afterwards, and after learning from my mistakes the Overseer met his end several times that night.

The point of this story is that EverQuest is a hard game. It lacks convenience. Even simple tasks like travel are difficult. It is quite simply, not for everyone. On top of that we've all chosen to take a game permanently set to hard mode and crank it up to insanity. Why do we do it? Because you've never hunted until you've hunted man.

If a single night of getting corpse camped by people more powerful than you is enough to quit, then you will never find a long term home here. I imagine these people came to R99 because you level faster, thinking that would offset the intelligent enemies you face on a daily basis. Then they hit 52+, start wanting some of those nice pixels and run into an enemy like Nihilum.

But ultimately the reason why we play EverQuest is because of the lows. They make the highs so much higher. Watching a tstaff drop or scribing torpor...nothing in any other game compares to just those mundane things in EverQuest.

Should it happen, your first victory will feel incredible. It will wash away the taste of all previous defeats. But if RD/Azrael can't deal with what happened last night and need the GMs to come in and create policy to prevent it you've watered down the entire experience. Maybe it is better to weed out some of the weak links now, because those are the exact people who'd bail for Nihilum the second they can.

[Stasis01]

Yes Stasis, that is great advice, I will wait till I know what this server is about and what has happened throughout it's history before I act like I know what I am talking about - thanks for the tip

I won't read another post of yours, since I fought through that one because I figured it might get to a point that makes sense, or that you show that you have some knowledge of what I am talking about, or why I am talking about it.

For reals done with you now - gawd I bet this is like Lasher troll accnt or some shit.

[heartbrand]

That post that guy wrote was one of the dumbest posts that was trying to be "intelligent" that I've ever read.

[Stasis01]

Because you've never hunted until you've hunted man.


This is pretty funny though - you aren't Canadian are you? Not sure if I should be worried.

[Kergan]

That post that guy wrote was one of the dumbest posts that was trying to be "intelligent" that I've ever read.

Sorry forgot the TLDR version:

EQ is hard.

[Kergan]

This is pretty funny though - you aren't Canadian are you? Not sure if I should be worried.

Close - Minnesota.

[Kergan]

I won't read another post of yours, since I fought through that one because I figured it might get to a point that makes sense, or that you show that you have some knowledge of what I am talking about, or why I am talking about it.

For reals done with you now - gawd I bet this is like Lasher troll accnt or some shit.

I'm serious man, I have one character on this server and it's the same as my forum name. I'm not hiding or someone else in disguise.

The server history is irrelevant. Whether or not I've been here for 2 years or 2 months is also irrelevant. Do you know why?

Because every PVP server in the history of EverQuest has followed this exact same path. If anything, the competition Nihilum is experiencing from RD is above what most red uberguilds experienced. Yet despite this R99 was build in their image. What is that definition of insanity again?

[Not_Kazowi]

I could say the same about you..

Oh wait I will.

Except I did play baseball professionally for 1 year.

Lol we got a badass over here

[Taboo]

I rarely partake in this rants and flames stuff but I will say I walked right up to about 20 plus Nihilum members after our great fight in OT last night. Grabbed my body and not one tried to gank. I'm in red dawn.

I think all this just depends on people's mood that day. :)

[heartbrand]

Sorry forgot the TLDR version:

EQ is hard.

EQ actually isn't hard. It's far easier than WoW raiding for example. Beyond that, your example is absurd. "Training" makes the game real hard also, but we've agreed that you're not allowed to train. Ninja looting is real "hard" but we've agreed that's against the rules. Etc., etc., some behaviors have been considered so unacceptable as to have rules against them. In my opinion, this should be one of them. Shrug.

[Stasis01]

That's how they recruit, and they will make ridiculous claims about people that aren't sway- able.

Don't fall for their mind games pal.

[Stasis01]

EQ actually isn't hard. It's far easier than WoW raiding for example. Beyond that, your example is absurd. "Training" makes the game real hard also, but we've agreed that you're not allowed to train. Ninja looting is real "hard" but we've agreed that's against the rules. Etc., etc., some behaviors have been considered so unacceptable as to have rules against them. In my opinion, this should be one of them. Shrug.

The funny thing is the players decided on the rule set back in the day from merely speculation - now that we see it in practice we're supposed to not have a say in what works and doesn't?

The kid is ignorant, pointless to argue with one that has no information or knowledge on the subject.

[Not_Kazowi]

I remember when I was trying to lead Heresy to success and I had multiple groups of Nihilum flocking to my leveling spots to stop me and corpse camp me. One time they came to hate on our raid and wiped us then ported to our binds to bind camp us.

Nihilum is anti competition. Heresy was a start up guild. Most of us were hardly in our 50s, and they couldn't handle seeing us for a moment do anything successful.


Nizzar and them are very very afraid of anything remotely threatening. They suck at pvp and know that if a good guild gets near their level that they are pretty fucked. I get it but man it makes the server extremely boring and gay with these neck beards.

[Not_Kazowi]

I apped for a week and half. Then didn't log back on eq because the server disgusted me. Just trying to fight for server health now but keep riding my dick if you want

[withinyouwithoutyou]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/197hm7vn1rhvsgif/ku-medium.gif

[Retti_]

Good post by Kergan.

Rexx honestly your play time was so low it's was me and Ames leading with Lewis helping orchestrate raids and recruitment.

You were just a name and knew little about the PvE and pressed auto attack. No hard feelings just box lyfe.

[Not_Kazowi]

Good post by Kergan.

Rexx honestly your play time was so low it's was me and Ames leading with Lewis helping orchestrate raids and recruitment.

You were just a name and knew little about the PvE and pressed auto attack. No hard feelings just box lyfe.

Ok if you want to get into the semantics of it, you guys did more leading than me, cool. Doesn't change the fact that Nihilum still did what they did. I probably would of played more had I not been griefed nearly every moment I was online. I only took over leadership because knuckle and crew asked me to. I had no intentions of coming back and starting a guild.

This all circles back to the fact that I don't have the time for this game like I used to and don't care as much as most people who play.

[Kergan]

EQ actually isn't hard. It's far easier than WoW raiding for example. Beyond that, your example is absurd. "Training" makes the game real hard also, but we've agreed that you're not allowed to train. Ninja looting is real "hard" but we've agreed that's against the rules. Etc., etc., some behaviors have been considered so unacceptable as to have rules against them. In my opinion, this should be one of them. Shrug.

I guess we'll agree to disagree about the WoW vs EQ raiding thing. I found WoW raids to be exceptionally difficult for those people who couldn't follow moderately complex direction very well (those players would have a much easier time with EQ raids). But for anyone who knows their shit, WoW raids pretty much boil down to reacting properly to several scripted events over a few minutes or so. Most of the "hard" encounters are purely gear driven DPS races against an enrage timer.

EQ raiding has much more RNG to it. AoW isn't going to yell something and put red circles on the ground when he is about to gib your tank. The ease of EQ raiding comes mostly from the fact you can truly zerg it up until PoP. If you tried to tackle EQ raids with the minimum recommended players every time it would be hard as shit.

As for the rest of your post, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of course. I just prefer a system where control can be established, and that I can't be forced to let an enemy go where they want. One of the most epic events in SZ history is when Ruin almost had their corpses camped to the point of expiration (without any nice GMs to summon them to EC tunnel). It was basically a non stop continuous guild vs guild battle until another evil guild bailed them out at the 11th hour.

[Retti_]

That sz corpse camp in skyshrine? Pretty epic historical event.

[Kergan]

The funny thing is the players decided on the rule set back in the day from merely speculation - now that we see it in practice we're supposed to not have a say in what works and doesn't?

The kid is ignorant, pointless to argue with one that has no information or knowledge on the subject.

Really? That was dumb. They should have decided on a ruleset based on the several years of direct experience with different rulesets on other EQ PVP servers. It's a shame they just picked shit out of a hat instead of having a bunch of people who played RZ, SZ, VZ, TZ, VZTZ, etc giving input based on personal experiences.

[Stasis01]

I was maybe a little hard on Rexx, as I am all for people getting geared and peacing out.

The thing that bugged me was the timing - it's like oh, we're contesting/putting pressure, time to use that momentum to jump ship and shank you in the back!

Least I can say I didn't do that to the resistance, as my crew quit.

Either way who gives a fuck, if Rexx wants to come help the resistance we'd gladly accept him and anyone who can show up and stfu and help try to change this bullshit situation.

[Stasis01]

Really? That was dumb. They should have decided on a ruleset based on the several years of direct experience with different rulesets on other EQ PVP servers. It's a shame they just picked shit out of a hat instead of having a bunch of people who played RZ, SZ, VZ, TZ, VZTZ, etc giving input based on personal experiences.

Things that worked in classic don't work here for various reasons, partially because online gamers are different nowadays and player enforced rules that worked on classic aren't relevant here due to the level of hardcore douchebags/trolls in this day and age.

Listen you fuck, more listening and reading less talking, learn some shit fuck face.

[Retti_]

I was maybe a little hard on Rexx, as I am all for people getting geared and peacing out.

The thing that bugged me was the timing - it's like oh, we're contesting/putting pressure, time to use that momentum to jump ship and shank you in the back!

Least I can say I didn't do that to the resistance, as my crew quit.

Either way who gives a fuck, if Rexx wants to come help the resistance we'd gladly accept him and anyone who can show up and stfu and help try to change this bullshit situation.

That's funny I remember being in dentists and heresy trying to convince everyone in Nihilum to disband also

Your a clown

[Kergan]

The funny thing is the players decided on the rule set back in the day from merely speculation - now that we see it in practice we're supposed to not have a say in what works and doesn't?

The kid is ignorant, pointless to argue with one that has no information or knowledge on the subject.

Also, I've found that when people start calling someone a kid, child, etc that is generally because they need to feel a sense of superiority when their perceived one is slipping away. Typically someone losing an argument. Just saying.

Also I'm 32.

Thanks.

[Stasis01]

That's funny I remember being in dentists and heresy trying to convince everyone in Nihilum to disband also

Your a clown

You obviously don't remember when I left, because all my pals quit - and when trying to get Dacbane to help us PVP he spammed that Ambrotos is a faggot till he was banned.

Expecting someone to just come back after you quit and leave the cause is pretty high expectations, I wouldn't expect someone to come back after I already ditched them - but I don't blame them for their choices, I just made my own?

[Stasis01]

You on the other hand, had such a shitty reputation with Nihi, that you tagged with us and fought with us till we put enough pressure on for Nizz to open the gates and you straight up bitched out and now your true self shows.

Little bitch.

[Silikten]

add wants to fraps any and all forms of same team dispute resolving for GM reporting



again in english?




I'm not following either.



He should stick to pictures.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/00b3r/ret3.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/00b3r/media/ret3.jpg.html)

[Kergan]

Things that worked in classic don't work here for various reasons, partially because online gamers are different nowadays and player enforced rules that worked on classic aren't relevant here due to the level of hardcore douchebags/trolls in this day and age.

Listen you fuck, more listening and reading less talking, learn some shit fuck face.

Way to bolster your argument with completely unprovable and unmeasurable metrics. It's a good strategy when you have nothing else, as I can't disprove anything you've said any more than you can prove it.

Don't get angry bro, it's just ForumQuest.

[Retti_]

You on the other hand, had such a shitty reputation with Nihi, that you tagged with us and fought with us till we put enough pressure on for Nizz to open the gates and you straight up bitched out and now your true self shows.

Little bitch.

Actually was telling HB and HPT every day how much I wanted to gank squad with them because after T99 announcement destroyed my alt leveling guild I rather to have played solo getting kill shots with my cleric than sit in royals wiping for 4 hours listening to Lite. I didn't think I had any chance to rejoin Nihilum and didn't try.

HB facilitated my renewed friendship with the Duke and all of my Nihilum core pals. For that I am grateful.

[Stasis01]

Way to bolster your argument with completely unprovable and unmeasurable metrics. It's a good strategy when you have nothing else, as I can't disprove anything you've said any more than you can prove it.

Don't get angry bro, it's just ForumQuest.

No, this is trying to make this place not a shit hole bro.

[Stasis01]

Actually was telling HB and HPT every day how much I wanted to gank squad with them because after T99 announcement destroyed my alt leveling guild I rather to have played solo getting kill shots with my cleric than sit in royals wiping for 4 hours listening to Lite. I didn't think I had any chance to rejoin Nihilum and didn't try.

HB facilitated my renewed friendship with the Duke and all of my Nihilum core pals. For that I am grateful.

So all it took to ditch everyone was them asking you - cool story, you're a little bitch.

You can thank me Lite and all the other Azrael for putting enough pressure on Nizz taking Traks etc to make him take you back, you're welcome scumbag.

[Retti_]

What pressure? Uncontested mobs ez. But thanks!

[Etorryn]

I would like to thank everyone who cried like a chick over needing a PnP in this thread. You guys are idiots and are to blame for these asinine new rules.