Boxing getting out of control.

[Rallyd]

As per title suggests, people at this point on Red99 are boxing with impunity, and don't even bother denying it anymore. Lite routinely 3-4 boxes, as well as a ton of other people.

Is there any possible way to crack down on this or stop it, otherwise I fear we're heading towards the road of making boxing legal and that's just straight not good.

Is this something that is even solvable by more harsh punishment, or is it simply impossible to stop vmware?

[Colgate]

stop crying you fat virgin nerd

jesus

[heartbrand]

Boxing needs to have been made legal months ago. Every day I am witness to the same problems in my guild, "level 30 something melee lfg" with no responses. That person then sighs and logs off. I think destin had the best idea with being allowed to have a boxed sub 51 char, to assist in leveling.

[HeisChuck]

Known IP exemption exploiter in classic crying about boxing

what a beautiful server

[SamwiseRed]

arent u grounded or something? OP gonna be in some serious shit if mom finds out hes forumquesting again.

[Swish]

Yeah I've caught a few instances of it. At a point now where the box is beginning to thrive we need a full time GM with powers to do more than observe (reported some boxing to Zade one time months ago and he said he didn't have the ability to do more than a visual analysis...maybe that's since changed).

It took someone logging into blue the other night about the DDoS deaths in PoF to get a GM onto red.

TL;DR? Red needs a full-time GM.

[Fame]

Boxing everywhere, I see it on the reg, dont report it tho because
http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/FUck_425b72_2169979.gif

[Bamz4l]

boxing now getting outta control? where the fuck u been last 2 years brah

[Silikten]

As per title suggests, people at this point on Red99 are boxing with impunity, and don't even bother denying it anymore. Lite routinely 3-4 boxes, as well as a ton of other people.

Is there any possible way to crack down on this or stop it, otherwise I fear we're heading towards the road of making boxing legal and that's just straight not good.

Is this something that is even solvable by more harsh punishment, or is it simply impossible to stop vmware?

Easy there teapot. Take your own advice before posting. Keep your in-guild boxing out of the public forums and try posting this on your guild forums next time. It'll be way more productive.

[Andis]

Easy there teapot. Take your own advice before posting. Keep your in-guild boxing out of the public forums and try posting this on your guild forums next time. It'll be way more productive.

[Stasis01]

Big rally has an IP exemption with his bro Zebis, for sure he boxed all the time no doubt in my mind.

He is right though - people are taking the massive risk of losing their toons just to be able to play the game, boxing been needed months ago.

[Bazia]

Insurance leveled pretty much alone exclusively with Nacho (His brother who quit years ago) being boxed 24/7

[Stasis01]

Box all day, someone calls you out - call your brother over and complete the skill challenge.

No way to ever enforce IP exemptions, all you're doing is punishing the legit players by limiting 1 box.

[Stasis01]

Not to mention the awesome macroquest insta camp feature that IP exemption allows, that the OP exploited massively for first 6 mnths.

[Sektor]

Boxing should be legal imo.

[Retti_]

btw rallyd and zebis get the 2box test like twice a day

they are literally the only people on server that get tested since they use ip exemption to do it legit, and dont use vpns

[Stasis01]

btw rallyd and zebis get the 2box test like twice a day

they are literally the only people on server that get tested since they use ip exemption to do it legit, and dont use vpns

OK so he can't box unless his brother is home? Which is like 99% of the time?

I am not against him boxing, I think all should be able to on a low pop box until at least like 500+ pop with boxes.

[Retti_]

OK so he can't box unless his brother is home? Which is like 99% of the time?

I am not against him boxing, I think all should be able to on a low pop box until at least like 500+ pop with boxes.

iv played with rallyd for 2 years now and have never seen him box, ip poof before yes, but not box

hes on the same page as nilbog in argument against it

so saying he does it is silly

[Stasis01]

iv played with rallyd for 2 years now and have never seen him box, ip poof before yes, but not box

hes on the same page as nilbog in argument against it

so saying he does it is silly

LOL.

Yes he wouldn't do it in front of people, thanks for clearing that up.

[maverixdamighty]

As per title suggests, people at this point on Red99 are boxing with impunity, and don't even bother denying it anymore. Lite routinely 3-4 boxes, as well as a ton of other people.

Is there any possible way to crack down on this or stop it, otherwise I fear we're heading towards the road of making boxing legal and that's just straight not good.

Is this something that is even solvable by more harsh punishment, or is it simply impossible to stop vmware?

OP sounds like an ignorant assuming tard.

[hagard]

Allow boxing, more yt

[Retti_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

[Rallyd]

My whistle is clean on this front.

The consensus by players seems to be that boxing should be legal, this couldn't be farther from the truth.. boxing is absolutely destructive to any community on an emulator.

It was different on live when you had to PAY for a second account, this needs to be enforced more, or else what prevents someone from logging in 30 accounts to do their own raid content in Velious when Nihilum can't always be there to police it.

[krazyGlue]

My whistle is clean on this front.

The consensus by players seems to be that boxing should be legal, this couldn't be farther from the truth.. boxing is absolutely destructive to any community on an emulator.

It was different on live when you had to PAY for a second account, this needs to be enforced more, or else what prevents someone from logging in 30 accounts to do their own raid content in Velious when Nihilum can't always be there to police it.

Oh boy that made me chuckle .

[Dullah]

member of Boxrael chuckles at legit players

[krazyGlue]

member of Boxrael chuckles at legit players

Legit players ? I think you forgot that I had a toon in your guild not once BUT twice . Infact 1 still guilded but I don't log him in anymore . Enforcement against boxing will hurt nihilum on their 50 man Zerg more then azrael on true 10man gank squad . Just putting that out there also how meny of your accounts are banned ? I think you have more banned accounts then everyone in azrael combined

[hagard]

It was different on live when you had to PAY for a second account, this needs to be enforced more, or else what prevents someone from logging in 30 accounts to do their own raid content in Velious when Nihilum can't always be there to police it.

How does paying for it change anything u r tard

[SamwiseRed]

people definitely dropping more money on this emu than i ever did on live.

[krazyGlue]

Yeah. That's te checkraise way . You don't like something ? Donate until something is done about it

[Taboo]

Funny thing is I have never boxed or have the coordination for it, yet I feel boxing on this server should be allowed. /shrug

[Retti_]

Legit players ? I think you forgot that I had a toon in your guild not once BUT twice . Infact 1 still guilded but I don't log him in anymore . Enforcement against boxing will hurt nihilum on their 50 man Zerg more then azrael on true 10man gank squad . Just putting that out there also how meny of your accounts are banned ? I think you have more banned accounts then everyone in azrael combined

http://www.somegif.com/gifs/1363588445823567319.GIF

[Smedy]

for the love of jesus allow 2 boxing, it would literally put the sever pop to 400 and pvp would be all over the place, also smaller groups of people could do big things and large guilds to kick all stupid shitheads they have to deal with cause having the numbers are important.

2 boxing was also classic and a lot of pros did it on live.

[Smedy]

Sidenote, i think a lot of people are 2 boxing because the rule is retarded, it's much like weed for you americans, everyone does it yet it's illegal in most states.

No one takes that rule seriously, just open it up and allow 2 boxing, less work for GM's trying to police poor melees slaying sarnaks in overthere and they can spend more time monitoring dirty whistles exploiting VP on the regular, u feel?

Just do it, 2 boxing for a better server, more pvp, more fun for all

[Dullah]

Legit players ? I think you forgot that I had a toon in your guild not once BUT twice . Infact 1 still guilded but I don't log him in anymore . Enforcement against boxing will hurt nihilum on their 50 man Zerg more then azrael on true 10man gank squad . Just putting that out there also how meny of your accounts are banned ? I think you have more banned accounts then everyone in azrael combined

1st, you have 0 chars in nihilum.

2nd, every single player on a nihilum raid is required to be in teamspeak, and with only 1 exception every player must speak in teamspeak to confirm their identity, which is how we figured out who you were.

last, I lost all 3 of my accounts for 1 offense: accessing another players account who stole and deleted multiple characters and accounts and distributed my real life information on a public forum, an offense which is specifically not against any rule and which I have 0 remorse for being involved in though I regret staff time wasted on restoring accounts of said douchebag RMTer in light of his blatant banworthy server infractions.

[Milton]

1st, you have 0 chars in nihilum.

2nd, every single player on a nihilum raid is required to be in teamspeak, and with only 1 exception every player must speak in teamspeak to confirm their identity, which is how we figured out who you were.

last, I lost all 3 of my accounts for 1 offense: accessing another players account who stole and deleted multiple characters and accounts and distributed my real life information on a public forum, an offense which is specifically not against any rule and which I have 0 remorse for being involved in though I regret staff time wasted on restoring accounts of said douchebag RMTer in light of his blatant banworthy server infractions.

This nig..

http://i.imgur.com/meoMX.gif

[krazyGlue]

Agatha joining nihilum had nothing to do with me being outed the same day lol .. Hard to believe . Also I do have another toon I your guild . A cleric to be exact... Also your telling me Korbell plagues Manila and other melee all have drivers + meny more all have drivers ?

[Dullah]

lolol

Trying too hard man. Just makes you look bitter and jaded.

Korbel is zebis aka nacho. He is in TS 100% of the time he is online.

Manila also on ts 100% of the time tho he usually only speaks up when spoken to or in pvp.

Any other revelations for us? Its late and I could use the entertainment.

[Colgate]

why did you remove your extensive list of banned level 60 characters from your signature?

[Swish]

http://www.nlpwessex.org/images/Obama3.jpg

[Banai]

Sidenote, i think a lot of people are 2 boxing because the rule is retarded, it's much like weed for you americans, everyone does it yet it's illegal in most states.

No one takes that rule seriously, just open it up and allow 2 boxing, less work for GM's trying to police poor melees slaying sarnaks in overthere and they can spend more time monitoring dirty whistles exploiting VP on the regular, u feel?

Just do it, 2 boxing for a better server, more pvp, more fun for all

hail smedy

[Nune]

wtb teams99, wts petty redthreds

[Pudge]

Agatha joining nihilum had nothing to do with me being outed the same day lol .. Hard to believe . Also I do have another toon I your guild . A cleric to be exact... Also your telling me Korbell plagues Manila and other melee all have drivers + meny more all have drivers ?

Ya bros everybody got their alts in nilly. I got a chaner in there

[Not_Kazowi]

Nihilum afraid of people boxing and killing a mob they can't lock down. This server is shit

[Flowz]

Boxing is just gonna make lvl 60 fully buffed melee's running around fully buffed with chanter, shaman, cleric, buffs, and without wands and insta dispels now there is no way to dispell a person with 2 clickys unless your a chanter. You are gonna have people following them around on lvl 50 clerics CHing, ur gonna have oor bards following people around, you're gonna have twinks logging in their high lvl to buff them before they go grief noobs with thorns and regen and every other buff out there. I dont think boxing would be good. The only thing i see a reason to make boxing legal is to help melee's sub 51 lvl up, nothing else but grief for the rest.

[Feniggles]

lol

[Not_Kazowi]

Boxing is just gonna make lvl 60 fully buffed melee's running around fully buffed with chanter, shaman, cleric, buffs, and without wands and insta dispels now there is no way to dispell a person with 2 clickys unless your a chanter. You are gonna have people following them around on lvl 50 clerics CHing, ur gonna have oor bards following people around, you're gonna have twinks logging in their high lvl to buff them before they go grief noobs with thorns and regen and every other buff out there. I dont think boxing would be good. The only thing i see a reason to make boxing legal is to help melee's sub 51 lvl up, nothing else but grief for the rest.

In theory, sure those are legitimate concerns. In reality, it's not that bad. If you are halfway decent at Everquest then you can counter balance buff bots and oor healers. It's not that difficult.

This server is completely controlled by one guild of dudes that play Everquest more than anyone I have seen before. They get off seeing NO one else kill any other mobs.

You guys can all ride my dick, but I've seen both sides of it now and I needed it to attain illumination. Boxing would give people who can't play as much or don't have a large pool of friends, a chance to slay boss mobs and do epic pieces in order to compete.

[Zereh]

http://i.imgur.com/l2irHWW.jpg?1

[hagard]

This server is completely controlled by one guild of dudes that play Everquest more than anyone I have seen before.

I know its fuckin nuts, dudes aint seen the sun in years

[heartbrand]

I'll say it again. Boxing isn't needed really for the end game population, although it may help, as much as it is desperately needed for the level 1-59 population. If you're a melee or a solo cleric trying to get a group good luck. There's almost no one in your level range to group with, then add on top of that guild alliances, the fact that everyone is basically a random PK on this server, the 8 level range for PVP, etc., and leveling as a non solo class is brutal and demoralizing, and frankly as we see by the server pop, not worth the time and effort for the vast majority of people. How many groups never happen because there was no Tank or no CC'er or no Cleric, or die because the only one has to leave 15 minutes in? Or never start because the cleric is on Kunark and tank on Antonica and there's no one to port? The level 60's [who mostly were PL'ed or leveled during classic when 300 people were playing, or leveled solo when pop was double digits and threat of PVP was nill, or leveled during the infamous 2 week kunark exp bonus], all say "suck it up." Well my friends, sucking it up has lead to stagnant pop growth.

The red herrings thrown out there to counter boxing are "it leads to 3rd party programs." The people likely to cheat to that extreme to use 3rd party programs prolly ALREADY are boxing and using said 3rd party programs, I doubt these nefarious individuals are on the sidelines not using VPN's and what not, just waiting for the green light for boxing.

The other argument I hear is that everyone will be buffed for pvp. Ok? So? Sounds like there might be a lot more PVP, which should be a good thing. And let's be real, most people AREN'T going to be buffed to the tits, people will be using this for EXP, and when people are in exp groups they get lazy. They aren't checking /who as often as they should, they don't have lev in the last slot, they don't have all their resist buffs up, they are chillin and chattin it up watchin dat yellow bar move assuming there's no hybrids in the group. In the case of gank squads, they already have those classes and are already rollin with buffs. Let's be real, most pvp encounters are decided before the engage even occurs solely on the basis of level / numbers / and class make up. Buffs are rarely the deciding factor.

The last thing I see thrown out there is that people would use this for raiding. Well, yes, of course they would, and that's a POSITIVE. Nihilum should be BEGGING for this, because if the ALLEGED velious beta going on, where ALLEGEDLY, TMO is struggling with 60+ against Dain [an easier Velious raid mob] is accurate, then you're going to need double digit clerics on raids, on a box that doesn't break 200 pop [even when it said 195 or what not the other day, the actual who all count in game was 158ish]. This forces guilds like Nihilum to recruit everyone with a pulse, even known scammers / RMTers / hackers / boxers, in order to have enough people to down content. If you could box a cleric instead, you could tighten recruiting restrictions, allow more guilds to pop up, allow people to play with people they actually like, and there would be more competition. The vast majority of people are awful at boxing in pvp, and their boxes would get insta gib raped in PVP.

The final argument I see is boxing forces everyone to box. I played on LoZ. I only boxed to port myself then logged the porter immediately off. I didn't enjoy boxing. It wasn't detrimental in any shape, way, or form to me. I still had a fun time during the peak of that server. I never felt required to box in order to compete.

The worst part is, that much like the apt analogy of weed, it doesn't really harm anyone, it's not a gateway drug to other abuses like people claim, and it goes relatively unpunished unless you're a moran. So the ban on boxing only hurts those who are either moran's [like the recent post by obvious 2 boxer], and those who obey the rules, while those who don't care get huge advantages.

[Salem Orchid]

I dream of a box where no guild is big enough to down top end content

[heartbrand]

I dream of a box where no guild is big enough to down top end content

Cool, MMO's aren't for you. Try a solo payer game. There was this box called crushbone box where there was only one zone, no PvE, and you just PVP people. It died. EQ is a PvE game with PvP added. If you want a pure PvP experience go play WoW arena's or Darkfall or one of the other games out there.

[Swish]

I know its fuckin nuts, dudes aint seen the sun in years

http://i.minus.com/ipDhI85BqUvdB.gif

[Pint]

id switch servers if you guys couldbox, just sayin.

[Salem Orchid]

Nah nah, this game perfect for me. Arena's are gay and totaly lame. I think you are just on the wrong server HB.

[Sektor]

Nah nah, this game perfect for me. Arena's are gay and totaly lame and gay. I think you are just on the wrong server HB.

You are nut swinging Lite hard bro. Ts conversations between you two were disgusting.

[Salem Orchid]

Or wrong server, you are trying to justify boxing by saying you won't be able down end game raid mobs with out it, lol

[Not_Kazowi]

Should make it so each zone with a raid mob will only allow a certain amount of players from each guild in or make some sort of limit on guild sizes. I guess there is no real way to police this.

Same shit will happen on T99 eventually. At least it will be fun in the beginning few months.

[Dullah]

MMO pvp, much like war, comes down to how well you manage your army, politic, and recruit. If you can't do these things it doesn't matter how good you think you are at combat, you're going to lose.

[Not_Kazowi]

MMO pvp, much like war, comes down to how well you manage your army, politic, and recruit. If you can't do these things it doesn't matter how good you think you are at combat, you're going to lose.

Comparing war to Everquest emulator. Cool story bro. My grandfathers who both fought in WWII are puking in their graves.

Step back from the computer you are way too immersed.

Nihilum management has entirely devoted their lives to this server. No one can or wants to compete with that. To make matters worse they take it to the extreme and try to take every raid mob even if they have 0 need for it.

[Dullah]

The analogy stands, and you sound upset.

[Not_Kazowi]

Have you ever read your posts?

[Salem Orchid]

Nihilum management has entirely devoted their lives to this server. No one can or wants to compete with that.

[Bazia]

add me on pokemon you fucking faggot

[SamwiseRed]

rexx why u attacking guildies like dat.

pixel package ended up being black friday leftovers?

[Not_Kazowi]

I haven't logged in for over a month. Care level = 0

[Stasis01]

New sig.

[Jenni D]

Racist

[Swish]

http://anongallery.org/img/6487/thats-racist.gif

:eek:

[Retti_]

My grampy fought in war

EVERQUAST

[HeisChuck]

MMO pvp, much like war, comes down to how well you manage your army, politic, and recruit. If you can't do these things it doesn't matter how good you think you are at combat, you're going to lose.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8a83b7fc29a2b60ea6b4ecca06fc1c73/tumblr_muzlfd3Bnq1s266z3o1_400.gif

[lite]

http://www.twitch.tv/veeshaneq/b/477744813

how did you handle HPT's Sinner / Plagueis MQ and Boxing ?

Why did Nihilum allow HPT to rejoin as Helenkeller after he was banned for MQ?

Why do nihilum members keep taking ports from Portahoe which is 24/7 boxed? Cuda swore among calling him a worthless druggy , you guys always used to accuse agatha of boxing. Is it no longer a problem for you ?

[lite]

Did you know why Fallen aka Tune was banned for a very long time ? You guessed it... boxing, that's one of your officers. Anything to say regarding that ? Also. .. people get caught boxing all the time. If i was boxing so blatantly I dont know why people like Tune are getting caught and I am not. Whistle clean as can be.

[heartbrand]

Did you know why Fallen aka Tune was banned for a very long time ? You guessed it... boxing, that's one of your officers. Anything to say regarding that ? Also. .. people get caught boxing all the time. If i was boxing so blatantly I dont know why people like Tune are getting caught and I am not. Whistle clean as can be.

Dude even Cwall admits you're boxing LOL

[Sektor]

Did you know why Fallen aka Tune was banned for a very long time ? You guessed it... boxing, that's one of your officers. Anything to say regarding that ? Also. .. people get caught boxing all the time. If i was boxing so blatantly I dont know why people like Tune are getting caught and I am not. Whistle clean as can be.

my druid and tunes cleric were suspended for 6 months for boxing our first offense by paymlinsa

[lite]

my druid and tunes cleric were suspended for 6 months for boxing our first offense by paymlinsa

When nilly members are admiting their officers got banned for boxing, i'd stay away from making threads like these.

[Retti_]

Lite dumb as dirt

[Sektor]

When nilly members are admiting their officers got banned for boxing, i'd stay away from making threads like these.

This was a different time, well before you were around and Tune did it to transfer some items to his toons, he wasn't this notorious boxer like yourself.

[Smedy]

In theory, sure those are legitimate concerns. In reality, it's not that bad. If you are halfway decent at Everquest then you can counter balance buff bots and oor healers. It's not that difficult.

This server is completely controlled by one guild of dudes that play Everquest more than anyone I have seen before. They get off seeing NO one else kill any other mobs.

You guys can all ride my dick, but I've seen both sides of it now and I needed it to attain illumination. Boxing would give people who can't play as much or don't have a large pool of friends, a chance to slay boss mobs and do epic pieces in order to compete.

praise good old rexx cuz its true

a legit concern is buffed melees but most are to lazy to care, the biggest issue on red99 is the fact that small groups of people can't do anything so they end up quiting due to the fact.... they can't do anything

[Bazia]

biggest problem is the lack of wipe

doesnt matter the ruleset, doesnt matter the pvp range, doesnt fucking matter the resists

pvp life cycle is > 5 months of fun > zerg established > server over

need to go back to stage 1

[Not_Kazowi]

biggest problem is the lack of wipe

doesnt matter the ruleset, doesnt matter the pvp range, doesnt fucking matter the resists

pvp life cycle is > 5 months of fun > zerg established > server over

need to go back to stage 1

Pretty much this.

Wipe it clean and let us casuals have some fun again for the first 6 months until the no lifers take over again.

[Bazia]

they realize this themselves hence the launch of teams99 which yet again will allow people to enjoy the first 5 months before a zerg is establised again

gonna b nice

[Silikten]

iv played with rallyd for 2 years now and have never seen him box, ip poof before yes, but not box

hes on the same page as nilbog in argument against it

so saying he does it is silly

Hilarious because I've seen him do it several times. Who knows how much he does it.


Saying he doesn't box is more silly

[lite]

Nilly reverted to doing Naggy and vox....

[Not_Kazowi]

Dude they kill every raid mob possible. I was getting 4-6 bat phone texts a day about killing djorn and Vox and Draco and shit. It's a little ridiculous. I don't have time for that shit anymore.

Want to play casually and have some luls. Not a second job on a dead server.

[Dullah]

http://chasingtheblackwood.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/dover2.jpg?w=470&h=470

[SamwiseRed]

I miss your old sig destin

[Stasis01]

From my personal experience, being in every guild and playing with every click on the box is - everyone is dirty.

That being said, when no one on the box considers boxing bad and does it illegally, there is a problem with the law.

It's like how everyone smokes marijuana in Canada, yet it is illegal.

Instead of trying to make a fun atmosphere that attracts a lot of people, the GM's have catered to the very vocal minority of hardcore neckbeards aka Nizzar Arzak, the mass propaganda from Nihilum against anything that will interfere with their non varianced farming of PVE mobs, god knows why it's shit.

Group EXP bonuses, hot zones, teams, variance, boxing, FUN GM EVENTS FOR LOWBIES HOOKING THEM UP.

All we have here is dirty people insulting other dirty people, and server staff hear all these different opinions due to the fact that people only care about their own interests and just say fuck it.

[Stasis01]

If you cater to allowing one group of people to control all content, and give absolutely no consideration to any other feature.

You've been Arzak'd.

[Dullah]

A lot of Nihilum aren't opposed to enabling boxing, so the idea that its prohibited on account of our guild is borderline retarded.

Its these tin foil hat theories and persecution complex that prevent you guys from ever succeeding here.

o woe is u

[Stasis01]

That's the funny thing, there is no "you guys"

Unless by you guys, you mean people that think this box is a failure due to the population, stagnate, boring etc.

People in Nihilum seem to have this mentality that any suggestion or any change to make things easier for people, or create competition is someone attempting to take their position of non varianced PVE farmer.

Destin, please let this sink in, if people want to do what you do they can just join Nihi - it's open door.

[Stasis01]

As per title suggests, people at this point on Red99 are boxing with impunity, and don't even bother denying it anymore. Lite routinely 3-4 boxes, as well as a ton of other people.

Is there any possible way to crack down on this or stop it, otherwise I fear we're heading towards the road of making boxing legal and that's just straight not good.

Is this something that is even solvable by more harsh punishment, or is it simply impossible to stop vmware?

This doesn't sound like a personal agenda against Lite.

Read Lites, post Tune banned for boxing, Emumu massive IP exemption exploiter etc etc I can't say it better than his post - you guys are insane, and the fact that you're so scared of changing your PVE farming situation kills it.

[Holey]

i box everyday.





































































with




























my punching bag.

[Pudge]

Boxing will never be allowed. That's why I haven't even bothered posting in these threads. It's too unclassic. It encourages solo play and cliques. Basically, they'd be telling red "so because you're all assholes to each other, and alienate new players, we'll give you yourselves to play with."

Will never, ever happen so there's no point in asking. Yes I miss being able to port myself around with full buffs and solo camp some shit, but that's not what eq classic was about. Neither is it good for the server to double the numbers of the already largest army (nihilum) who are working on their 3rd and 4th alts as we speak.

Boxing bad idea despite the ease it gives to new players. The same it does for new, it does for old. Makeing some translocate bots would be better than allowing boxing (yea, bots will never happen either).

[Stasis01]

I agree that the fundamental issues, like population, people to work with, friends etc would better be improved with teams.

The thing is, with FFA - I look at new players at this point as all people who will quit, or just join Nihi (most will quit) and I just don't even care anymore.

This box has been set up for hardcore EQ PvP fans - which there aren't many.

Boxing is a FFA red solution due to the fact that it sucks, which I can understand - but will not improve the fundamental core issues of the box.

[Pudge]

In theory, sure those are legitimate concerns. In reality, it's not that bad. If you are halfway decent at Everquest then you can counter balance buff bots and oor healers. It's not that difficult.

This server is completely controlled by one guild of dudes that play Everquest more than anyone I have seen before. They get off seeing NO one else kill any other mobs.

You guys can all ride my dick, but I've seen both sides of it now and I needed it to attain illumination. Boxing would give people who can't play as much or don't have a large pool of friends, a chance to slay boss mobs and do epic pieces in order to compete.

Rexx get out of that disease of a guild and start reborn as a FREEDOM FIGHTER. Just like stasis and even heartbrand (sorry HB but your guild must still endure pain for your treachery--im away till Sunday so level up!) who are trying to do good for the box.

[Dullah]

I still think best solution for boxing is to only permit boxing 2 accounts permitted neither account has a character over say 45+ on it. Would encourage players to start here with the lower level population as thin as it is.

Other than that, its exactly like pudge said.
It's too unclassic. It encourages solo play and cliques. Basically, they'd be telling red "so because you're all assholes to each other, and alienate new players, we'll give you yourselves to play with."
Self fulfilling prophecy. Instead of working to make the server more enticing for new players, the goal is always to inject mechanics (training wheels) that provide smaller groups and the uncoordinated masses with a way to succeed with as little effort as possible; and all along its that lack of effort to work together that alienates new players and drives them to either quit or join Nihilum.

Either play smarter or just stfu and go find something to do that you're good at.

[runlvlzero]

Just let people purchase premade level 60 toons or items like fungi from the p99 store. Will solve all these boxing issues.

[Tassador]

Boxing equal 40 more on pop and it will all be from 10-20 clowns that are already on the server religiously. These people ain't leaving regardless of rule set or changes. The ones who will leave are the ones who think boxing sucks. Enjoy your plus 20 who ain't going no where sonny!!

[mtb tripper]

Do that many people really box? I have met maybe 1 or 2 as long as I've been playing, maybe I am just oblivious

[Bamz4l]

it becomes insanely obvious when u engage a boxer in pvp.

example: in chardok, dodging supreme's jousts while beating on battle who's just auto running away, and continues running straight into a wall for the next 30 seconds

its funny too cuz supreme always accused me of boxing oraculus when my whistle is infact clean as fuck. Can't say the same for him tho

[Not_Kazowi]

I just don't understand the big worry about boxing. It literally almost hampers you in pvp unless someone is extremely good at boxed pvp or has an invulnerable healer. Even then it's still not impossible to overcome them.

VZTZ had boxing and I never remember anyone once complaining about it ruining anything or causing a problem. In mass pvp we all would log out our boxes and play one character. The only time it maybe made a difference was in small skirmishes, but again if you strike at an opportune time a boxer is actually at a disadvantage.

It mostly effects the small groups of people that can't do plane of fear or hate because they have 1 or 2 clerics in the guild. Boxing let's them have a cleric box so they can do some content and get gear. It's not like it would change much, if anything, on the higher end of raiding. To be honest it may cause people from Nihilum to leave because they wouldn't need as many to raid and cause a second guild to form. Maybe that's too hopeful of thinking but it could happen.

[Bazia]

fucks over cleric/shm/druid mains

[Retti_]

fucks over cleric/shm/druid mains

Not really cus the mains get the gear the boxes get the scraps. Mains are fully functional and boxes just tab heal and can't function in sticky situations.

[heartbrand]

I just don't understand the big worry about boxing. It literally almost hampers you in pvp unless someone is extremely good at boxed pvp or has an invulnerable healer. Even then it's still not impossible to overcome them.

VZTZ had boxing and I never remember anyone once complaining about it ruining anything or causing a problem. In mass pvp we all would log out our boxes and play one character. The only time it maybe made a difference was in small skirmishes, but again if you strike at an opportune time a boxer is actually at a disadvantage.

It mostly effects the small groups of people that can't do plane of fear or hate because they have 1 or 2 clerics in the guild. Boxing let's them have a cleric box so they can do some content and get gear. It's not like it would change much, if anything, on the higher end of raiding. To be honest it may cause people from Nihilum to leave because they wouldn't need as many to raid and cause a second guild to form. Maybe that's too hopeful of thinking but it could happen.

[Rallyd]

Boxing is a plague.. if you can't make friends to play the other characters for you, what the fuck are you playing an MMO for. This isn't soloquest.

[Rust1d?]

Christ, I remember 3 boxing on K&B and shitting on Stasis in Perma.

[Not_Kazowi]

Boxing is a plague.. if you can't make friends to play the other characters for you, what the fuck are you playing an MMO for. This isn't soloquest.

Really?? Do you think before you post? There's a huge class imbalance on this server.

Even your guild doesn't have enough of certain classes.. Why would you even try to use that as an argument against boxing. You're only helping support boxing with a statement like that.

[DrNarcisse]

Really?? Do you think before you post? There's a huge class imbalance on this server.

Even your guild doesn't have enough of certain classes.. Why would you even try to use that as an argument against boxing. You're only helping support boxing with a statement like that.

Rexx, this player --RallyD-- is even more of a hypocrite than you.

For the first 4 months of the server (all that I played), his character Emumu was known for abusing his IP exemption (he has a loser brother in RL, they live together) to boot himself to character select screen when he was in danger of dying in PVP or to get to safe points in zones.

I can't even believe he'd make a thread about 2boxing considering the stunts he pulled when it mattered on the server. It'd be like HandPartyTowel making a "STOP USING SHOWEQ" thread after he was banned for compiling/using ShowEQ just months ago.

Kindly fuck off, RallyD you mouth-breathing, beetle-look-alike loser

[Rallyd]

I'm Super mad, and nothing I say is relevant. Thank you.

Fixed that for you.

[heartbrand]

You did exploit your IP exemp and admitted it freely in TS. Not sure why you're denying that.

[DrNarcisse]

I'd love to see you deny abusing your IP exemption on Emumu 2 years ago, could you do that for me so I can quote it? Or you willing to admit you were a cheating fuck who could poof himself in a matter of seconds by simplying alt-tabbing and logging in on the same account, causing the IP exemption to remove your current character from ingame?


(Not that it mattered, you and Taluvil or whoever the hell your brother is are terrible players, the only saving grace you have is that you are bed ridden and can only leave the house when someone is there to operate the mini-crane and lift you into your wheelchair, so that leaves you with a lot of time to farm faction with Tune, Nizzar, and Battle in game for 2 years. Lol loser)

[heartbrand]

Rallyd is like a farmer or something so id guess he has to be in somewhat decent physical condition and has a pretty low RA. He never showed up for the majority of stuff during my time in nihilum. Zebis his brother is a nice guy and is suffering from a terrible disease I'm pretty sure. Hope he ends up being ok. Sorry 2 break the trolling continue on.

[lite]

It mostly effects the small groups of people that can't do plane of fear or hate because they have 1 or 2 clerics in the guild. Boxing let's them have a cleric box so they can do some content and get gear. It's not like it would change much, if anything, on the higher end of raiding. To be honest it may cause people from Nihilum to leave because they wouldn't need as many to raid and cause a second guild to form. Maybe that's too hopeful of thinking but it could happen.

[runlvlzero]

fucks over cleric/shm/druid mains

not really cause those guys can box more clrs, shms, druids, or just box a melee tank and do nps, grab dps and throw them in group.

A solid Dru+Tank or CLR+Tank box can level up nps just fine helping random puggers level up.

TBH NORMAL xp + boxing would be better than fast XP - boxing for this server, More people would get xp/level cause people would want to grab dps/extra tanks.

The pro's I use to group with on test boxed a tank, dps, and healer, and would drop whatever they didn't need depending on who they could find to fill in the rest of the group. They would just catch up their boxed alt at a later date.

But I dunno. There's a lot of stupid impatient players here. It's hard to make up for that. You either group with friends or join Nihilum and poopsock like a hardcore nerds. There's really no in between or grey area. And pvp is so competitive the casuals just cant hang/be of use to the rest of us.

Sorry Chewie, your just way to casual.

[DrNarcisse]

Yeah, he's a farmer alright. He's a faction and platinum farmer on a 50 person elf simulator for 2 years.

[Retti_]

Lold at Rallyds edit for cast was p spot on.

Also @ HB I didn't see him deny IP xpl0tting.

[runlvlzero]

Lold at Rallyds edit for cast was p spot on.

Also @ HB I didn't see him deny IP xpl0tting.

It's 2 bad all the QQ drama from b4 rallyd posted got nuked with the forum reset. I had him by the balls with yoda doing a force choke.

[Retti_]

Cast farms berries on a game deader than classic eq pvp and tomato farms berries in a retirement home

[Tassador]

Yeah, he's a farmer alright. He's a faction and platinum farmer on a 50 person elf simulator for 2 years.

Lol who ever this was directed too you for fucking burned bitch

[DrNarcisse]

Lol who ever this was directed too you for fucking burned bitch































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[Stasis01]

I like Emumu actually, but denying he didn't use IP exemption all the time in classic is hilarious.

He was one of Nihi's big melee hitters in classic, and getting him out of the picture was huge.

I mean he would insta Q out at 30% 5+ times a fight. That is especially bad in plane fights where trains and reassembling is important, a lot of their blue players would insta plug out with trains on them and be able to take zone control.

I have mentioned it lots, but when Tune played his cleric, and we almost had zone control but fallen insta plugged a train and came back in and started res'ing.

I mean this is all in the past, and I haven't seen them do things like that recently - but it is kind of ironic he wants harsher penalties for boxing considering we called him on this shit all the time in classic and he continued to exploit it since Amelinda was on their side, or didn't care I didn't read all those threads.

[Stasis01]

In the end this box will suck for many reasons - I can't even begin to think that boxing was one of them.

[Smedy]

Boxing is a plague.. if you can't make friends to play the other characters for you, what the fuck are you playing an MMO for. This isn't soloquest.

finding friends on a box where there's 40 pop on eurotime and still maintain the pvp aspect, please..

take of your breathing apperatus, put the computer in the trash bin and go the fuck outside, you've been living in the norrath bubble for the past 13 years dog, time to stop this shit, i'm sending dr phil over

[Stasis01]

finding friends on a box where there's 40 pop on eurotime and still maintain the pvp aspect, please..

take of your breathing apperatus, put the computer in the trash bin and go the fuck outside, you've been living in the norrath bubble for the past 13 years dog, time to stop this shit, i'm sending dr phil over

He lives with his brother who's disabled or some shit and plays support classes (first a sham, then a cleric)

Most of his own guild doesn't like him, making that friends statement even more ironic. I won't rat out all the shit people said about him, but a lot of the people were pretty public about disliking him. I always had his back though, you can't write comedy like "ZEBIS, THE FUCKING PIZZA" while having his teamspeak mic qued by accident yelling at his wheelchair bro over burning his pizza.

He has a disabled bro box - and probably just boxed his toons when his bro played other games/slept anyways, this entire thread is a perfect example of why this box sucks, and the population just argue personal agendas (ban Lite, for doing something I exploited for over a year! etc.)

[big mouth chew]

boxing results in a permaban
what i heard anyway

[Junkman]

all i see in this thread is bunch of bitches crying like nigs shit wont ever go your way get over it :P

[heartbrand]

It's hard to reconcile LoZ Ajax vs Red99 Ajax

[Retti_]

Wow stasis

http://www.troll.me/images/kevvy/whaa-butt-hurt-whaa-act-like-a-man.jpg

[Bazia]

you've had better images