PvP Level Range on R99

[Alecta]

Nilbog asked me to take a look at this, so.... I am going to make it so high level staff can adjust this.

But what would the community like to see? Feel free to post some comments to try to sway the staff / fellow voters.

Keep in mind I am NOT including a dynamic flagging system with this update.

[heartbrand]

I'm a fan of the classic 4 up 4 down approach. This also coincides with the level range that many zones have so people legitimately exping in the zone are in range to each other but 60s farming CoM newbs where everything is green to them are not. Also please look into the no pvp range status of sol b / perma. This has just led to 60s massacring kobolds groups and shit of level 30s and 40s

[Tavrin]

4 worked fine on rallos. The huge lvl range and fubar resists are a double whammy to levelers.

Leave FFA in planes though.

[big mouth chew]

lil late for this, thx tho

[Alecta]

lil late for this, thx tho

I do what I can, despite my lack of a time machine.

[Elderan]

Nilbog asked me to take a look at this, so.... I am going to make it so high level staff can adjust this.

But what would the community like to see? Feel free to post some comments to try to sway the staff / fellow voters.

Keep in mind I am NOT including a dynamic flagging system with this update.

I am fine with 4... with a condition..

When a raid mob is up/spawned the zone goes to FFA.

Example
Solb is 4+- levels until Nagafen spawns, then it is FFA until Nagafen dies.
KC is 4+- levels until VS spawns, then it is FFA until VS dies.

Also would the planes remain FFA with this change?

[Tassador]

4 up and 4 down. Never to late to fix.

[heartbrand]

Can someone explain to me WHY they think FFA helps? We had non-ffa zones when this server was released [Elderan wasn't here then], and all these great fears of out of range healers and what NEVER materialized. It was a complete NON ISSUE. What, suddenly people are going to roll in level 34 clerics for mass PVP over playing their main? LOL? Rogue sneak/hide sucks so you can't drag corpses anyway, so that's out the window. Spies? I can just zone in and out rq and do a /who, and if I'm level 10, I'm not getting down to Trakanon, or to Nagafen, etc., so that's out the window also. What are people so "terrified" of with these scary OOR lowbies?

[Tassador]

The murders in sol b must stop the victims are helpless...

[Rec]

4 sounds like it makes it more blue?

[heartbrand]

The murders in sol b must stop the victims are helpless...

[Elderan]

Can someone explain to me WHY they think FFA helps? We had non-ffa zones when this server was released [Elderan wasn't here then], and all these great fears of out of range healers and what NEVER materialized. It was a complete NON ISSUE. What, suddenly people are going to roll in level 34 clerics for mass PVP over playing their main? LOL? Rogue sneak/hide sucks so you can't drag corpses anyway, so that's out the window. Spies? I can just zone in and out rq and do a /who, and if I'm level 10, I'm not getting down to Trakanon, or to Nagafen, etc., so that's out the window also. What are people so "terrified" of with these scary OOR lowbies?


I am telling you right now.. If you make it 4 level range and not FFA when a boss mob is up. People will have level 52-53 clerics in massive pvp battles.

I am telling you this because I would do it myself for sure.

[Lawler]

I am telling you right now.. If you make it 4 level range and not FFA when a boss mob is up. People will have level 52-53 clerics in massive pvp battles.

I am telling you this because I would do it myself for sure.

Would bring 52 cleric instead of epicd 60 rogue, smrt.

[heartbrand]

I am telling you right now.. If you make it 4 level range and not FFA when a boss mob is up. People will have level 52-53 clerics in massive pvp battles.

I am telling you this because I would do it myself for sure.

Great, so you'll swap a 60 VP geared Rogue for a 52 cleric LOL, I hope you do.

[Elderan]

Would bring 52 cleric instead of epicd 60 rogue, smrt.

Depends on the situation.

OOR healers would devastate any mass pvp battles.

I am fine with 4 level range with A. pvp flagging system or B. zone goes FFA when a boss mob is up.

I am completely against level 60s hunting down and killing lvl 52s.

[big mouth chew]

how bout try it on a fresh server?
new-comers to red have already been leveling without exp loss on pvp death, and for some fucking retarted reason an exp bonus????? now they want less pvp while leveling?
FUCK THAT
how bout increase pvp range to +/-10
that'll show those fuckin crybabies

[Elderan]

Great, so you'll swap a 60 VP geared Rogue for a 52 cleric LOL, I hope you do.

See my post above.

I do whatever it takes to win the battle...

[heartbrand]

See my post above.

I do whatever it takes to win the battle...

You would be absolutely hurting your guild by switching from a 60 Rogue to a 52 cleric in 99.99999999% of situations. Mass PVP is about #'s/DPS/Assisting.

[big mouth chew]

this is bullshit
the more i think about how easy this server is becoming it makes me fuckin sick

way to fuck up a good thing

[heartbrand]

Depends on the situation.

OOR healers would devastate any mass pvp battles.

I am fine with 4 level range with A. pvp flagging system or B. zone goes FFA when a boss mob is up.

I am completely against level 60s hunting down and killing lvl 52s.

North Nihilum Jibeknn Red Dawn this guy is level 52
North Nihilum Bleargh Superadults level 52
North Nihilum Blackbart Red Dawn level 52
North Nihilum Homeless Red Dawn level 53
Ganka Nihilum Doinstuff Flowers of Happiness level 52 necro
Tune Nihilum Punkin Flowers of Happiness 52 or 53 druid?
Tune Nihilum Chanter Red Dawn level 53 or 54 enchanter?

p.s. this is just from the first page of leaderboard

[Elderan]

North Nihilum Jibeknn Red Dawn this guy is level 52
North Nihilum Bleargh Superadults level 52
North Nihilum Blackbart Red Dawn level 52
North Nihilum Homeless Red Dawn level 53
Ganka Nihilum Doinstuff Flowers of Happiness level 52 necro
Tune Nihilum Punkin Flowers of Happiness 52 or 53 druid?
Tune Nihilum Chanter Red Dawn level 53 or 54 enchanter?

p.s. this is just from the first page of leaderboard


Just because I am against it does not mean I can get people to stop it.

This is a pvp server after all...

[rusty81]

+1 to +4/-4

[Elderan]

You would be absolutely hurting your guild by switching from a 60 Rogue to a 52 cleric in 99.99999999% of situations. Mass PVP is about #'s/DPS/Assisting.

Depends.. if 30 lvl 60s are facing 30 level 60s... One level 55 cleric could easily be worth 4-5 extra players.

OOR healing is just too dangerous to allow.

But the good news is we can stop it and still change the level range.

[heartbrand]

If people want to argue about Seb or what not and keeping it FFA, w/e I don't think it makes a huge dif, as most people in seb are 56+ anyway. But making sol b and perma FFA on account of naggy/vox who are left up for stretches at a time is retarded, especially since naggy and vox are 52 and under restricted, meaning level 60's can walk in and rape someones naggy attempt with impunity. Can we at least agree Sol B / Perma have no business being FFA?

[heartbrand]

Depends.. if 30 lvl 60s are facing 30 level 60s... One level 55 cleric could easily be worth 4-5 extra players.

OOR healing is just too dangerous to allow.

But the good news is we can stop it and still change the level range.

There have been like 14-18 mass pvp battles on this server since it's inception 2 years ago. Regulating for something that rare, while screwing everyone else in the interim seems ridiculous. But again, can we all agree due to the unique level restriction of naggy/vox that those zones have no business being ffa pvp?

[big mouth chew]

why is there no option for +/-16 levels
fuck this poll

[Rust1d?]

I like +/-4 unless it is a raid zone. Would not need FFA in raid zones if people just played the game but everyone has to cheat and bring in OOR healers etc.

[Elderan]

There have been like 14-18 mass pvp battles on this server since it's inception 2 years ago. Regulating for something that rare, while screwing everyone else in the interim seems ridiculous. But again, can we all agree due to the unique level restriction of naggy/vox that those zones have no business being ffa pvp?

I am not against Vox/Nagafen not being on the FFA when spawned list.

If the planes remain FFA that would leave Trak/VS/Sev/Fay/Gore(maybe)/Tal.

[heartbrand]

Outdoor dragons allow too much griefing potential, and with Velious, would result in literally almost every zone becoming FFA.

If we apply your boss mob criteria, the following zones would be FFA, excluding sol b / perma:

Karnor's (VS)
Dreadlands (Gore)
EJ (Sev)
Skyfire (Talendor)
VP
Seb (Trak)
TD (LOL FFA RANGE TD FAY)
I could make an argument for Chardok due to royals as well

In Velious the following zones:

Iceclad (Lodi)
Cobalt Scar (Kelorek'Dar)
Wakening Lands (Wuoshi)
Western Wastes (Klandi/Sontalak)
Icewell Keep (Dain)
Skyshrine (Yelinak)
Kael (Tormax / Vindi / AoW)
DN (Zlandicar)
ST
ToV
Velektor

That's the majority of Velious zones being no level range.

[Elderan]

Outdoor dragons allow too much griefing potential, and with Velious, would result in literally almost every zone becoming FFA.

If we apply your boss mob criteria, the following zones would be FFA, excluding sol b / perma:

Karnor's (VS)
Dreadlands (Gore)
EJ (Sev)
Skyfire (Talendor)
VP
Seb (Trak)
TD (LOL FFA RANGE TD FAY)
I could make an argument for Chardok due to royals as well

In Velious the following zones:

Iceclad (Lodi)
Cobalt Scar (Kelorek'Dar)
Wakening Lands (Wuoshi)
Western Wastes (Klandi/Sontalak)
Icewell Keep (Dain)
Skyshrine (Yelinak)
Kael (Tormax / Vindi / AoW)
DN (Zlandicar)
ST
ToV
Velektor

That's the majority of Velious zones being no level range.


I could see Velious being the problem. Lodi and Kelorek'Dar are not real bosses and so would not be a need for them to be flagged.

However I think this should be a two step process.

Step one - Implement 4 level range pvp with the above mentioned zones turning into FFA when the raid target it spawned. (This mobs will die within 24 hours)

Step two - before velious comes out the new flagging system must be implemented and the entire zone flag would be removed.

If you cannot do these two steps it is best to just leave it as is.

[heartbrand]

The entire purpose for this complex FFA system you want to propose is to remedy a non existent issue of OOR healers in non existent mass pvp. Let that sink in for a bit.

[Elderan]

The entire purpose for this complex FFA system you want to propose is to remedy a non existent issue of OOR healers in non existent mass pvp. Let that sink in for a bit.

The problem doesn't exist now because the rules in place make it very difficult.

Change the rules and it becomes easier and much more likely.

[heartbrand]

The problem doesn't exist now because the rules in place make it very difficult.

Change the rules and it becomes easier and much more likely.

Except the rebuttal to your point is we had Sol B and Perma as non FFA zones for months, when mass PVP was FAR more prolific, and these issues never arose.

[Elderan]

Except the rebuttal to your point is we had Sol B and Perma as non FFA zones for months, when mass PVP was FAR more prolific, and these issues never arose.

Because the max level was 50 and the level range was 8.

Different situation...

[heartbrand]

Because the max level was 50 and the level range was 8.

Different situation...

By different situation you mean far more mass pvp on a daily basis with constant fights over raid mobs?

[SamwiseRed]

I am fine with 4... with a condition..

When a raid mob is up/spawned the zone goes to FFA.

Example
Solb is 4+- levels until Nagafen spawns, then it is FFA until Nagafen dies.
KC is 4+- levels until VS spawns, then it is FFA until VS dies.

Also would the planes remain FFA with this change?

this is a good compromise. let people level in those areas in peace but when raid mob pops get the fuck out or get rolled over. eldermoran makin too much sense. must be someone else forumquesting.

[heartbrand]

At the end of the day, it doesn't make a huge difference, if you remove FFA distinction when the mob isn't up it's fine, but let's confine it to indoor dungeon raid mobs, and remove Sol B and Perma due to the unique nature of naggy/vox and the level restriction.

Edit: The potential for griefing in zones like DL / TD / EJ / CS etc., particularly in Velious when many of these dragons may remain up for extended periods of time, is just too great. Let's keep the FFA to the dungeons, and use the "when the mob is up" type flag, if at all possible. At the very least, +4/-4 everywhere else is a HUGE START, combined with getting rid of the sol b / perma distinction.

[big mouth chew]

hey while we're coming up with shitty ideas, how bout just disable pvp til max level? i mean no one wants to get killed while tryin to level right?
how about exp GAIN on pvp death?
how bout we respawn with gear so the guides aren't burdened by summoning them for us when we dont want to corpse run?

[Rec]

exp gain on pvp death sounds good

[big mouth chew]

population hit 200 players last night...
uhoh!! better hardcode something to limit the amount of pvp that can happen!!

[Retti_]

chewie mad

this isnt sullon zek 1-60

deal w it

[big mouth chew]

how bout i just calm down

[Andis]

no pvp range in solb / perma/ wherever was put in for a reason

leave as is

[Retti_]

nice roleplaying

[ChubbyBubbles]

http://img10.glitterfy.com/graphics/149/jasmine.gif

-4/+4 LOVE IT.
Make it happen.

[Nirgon]

Whenever you get to this post, use your time to go back and fix this at the time I posted.

That way its done NOW BROTHA.

See what I did there?

[Tikku82]

No range. Just give no reward / penalty for a player that kills a green player. Simple as that

[heartbrand]

No range. Just give no reward / penalty for a player that kills a green player. Simple as that

Yaw, no range, that sounds perfectly reasonable. No way that could go wrong EVER.

[Rec]

+/- 1 in crushbone

[Tikku82]

Yaw, no range, that sounds perfectly reasonable. No way that could go wrong EVER.

Worked fine on SZ. People get bored of killing greens and will leave them alone. Specially if there is a penalty for killing them. Lets say -20 to stats for 30min

[heartbrand]

Worked fine on SZ. People get bored of killing greens and will leave them alone. Specially if there is a penalty for killing them. Lets say -20 to stats for 30min

No one would ever go around farming newbs for hours on end for pure grief on red99 bros nope nobody like that here

[Salem Orchid]

Nope never

http://i.imgur.com/Q6htIxhh.jpg
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[Vexenu]

Nice we need more HT and 2v1 kill shots ty for those.

[Salem Orchid]

Don't log my sk in unless HT is up dawg, you dumb?

[heartbrand]

If logged in =====> HT Up

Logging in is your sufficient condition, HT up is your necessary condition (unless is a necessary indicator word)

[heartbrand]

Contrapositive would be if ht not up ====> not logged in

[Lowlife]

4

[heartbrand]

lol^


p.s it should be a 4 +/- level range as it was in classic and not even b up for discussion - just change that shit already.

I'm teaching class at the moment bored as fuck going over conditional reasoning for the 20000000th time

[Dullah]

To change level range, its imperative that you first add flagging system for out of range buffing/healing during pvp combat.

[Bamz4l]

ffa - no level range .. whaaa??

[Nirgon]

OH NO THEY BROUGHT THEIR TRACKING ALTS TO HEAL!

RUN! RUN!

[Dullah]

More like, ohno, we have to contend with azraels 10 level 55 box clerics.

[Stasis01]

Hard to take new players seriously when they can just jump ship at any time - FFA sucks, peace out.

Level range is fine for teams, FFA maybe not I don't know.

[Dullah]

You mean the way players can just play another character on another team?

With r99 pop steadily rising again, reputation will start to matter. When pop doubles in velious, people won't have to keep scraping the bottom to fill their guild ranks anymore. Thats bad news for all the server scum.

[Stasis01]

Yea, I'm sure.

[SamwiseRed]

To change level range, its imperative that you first add flagging system for out of range buffing/healing during pvp combat.

sounds custom and classic

[Fawqueue]

If you want to better retain new players, +/- 4 levels is the way to go. If you want to preserve the current crop of level 60's "Look Ma, I got the easy YT!" feelings, keep it the same and watch literally nobody stay post-52.

[Langrisserx]

After playing with the current range, and considering the current momentum of the influx of players (still 100+ at midnight on a monday pst), I certainly can see a 4 up and down range only increasing the numbers on server.

people could get to higher level and thus be encouraged to pvp.

approved.

[Langrisserx]

Please change this immediately so <Red Dawn> can level with immunity, then talk shit to everyone about how it is so easy to make a new raid guild on red, and how they are vastly superior to everyone else etc. This wouldn't be red99 without immediate, blatantly biased changes for any team other than Azrael, who has been asking for simulated patch days and/or variance for months.

Please make time in your schedule to do this for the folks in <Red Dawn>. They shouldn't have to endure the server the way that everyone before them has. It's just too awful!

damn u bittah!

[Greegon]

voted 4 to fit in w/ everyone else

[Rec]

No one likes the middle ground. This is why the neutral team sucked

[Dullah]

sounds custom and classic

+-4 was only classic on rallos zek.

Everyone seems to be in favor of adding some sort of hardcoded training wheels to account for their inability to succeed.

Why dont you guys just ask for a second blue server and get it over with.

[SamwiseRed]

im for item loot as well on red. make it classic rz.

[Dullah]

Save item loot for another server. There needs to be more distinction between servers. Otherwise, theres no reason to even have a 2nd pvp server.

Should just have a purple server where its blue except for raid zones when contested mobs are up. Thats the true middle ground between servers.

[freez]

spoken liek a tru bluebie

dulluh one of the bluest people on the box whos he kiddin

[Dullah]

This was a suggestion for you and your pals so that you might have something to accomplish.

Its more than obvious you'll never do shit here cause you can't handle a pvp server.

[freez]

good one.

i cant handle the pvp server because i didnt want to app to the biggest guild on the box?

nah

[Dullah]

You were in the biggest guild on the box last month, and we took you down.

good one

[freez]

heh good one i havent played in atleast two months


ur a faggot and nothing but nihilum has ever been the largest guild on the server. because u wont close recuitment because everyone is a bluebie.

not fooling anyone brewski

[Dullah]

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[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Oppressor <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Afflict <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Thumperx <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Twainz <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Bamzal <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Basiah <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pudge
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Krazy <Azrael>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Arzak <Nihilum>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cricket <Nihilum>
[Fri Sep 20 23:08:54 2013] There are 47 players in Old Sebilis.

[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] ---------------------------
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kadimer
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Poopo <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elspeth <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Krazy <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Helenkeller <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cheeseycakes
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ruban <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tehruoh <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Drakar <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Samuell <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elderan <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cyborella <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tune
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cholk <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dangle <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kinamaraa <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Plagueis <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hashtag <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mysig <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ravi <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Qazzaz <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Sauceboss <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jizzar <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Checkraise <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dekadenz <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Omega <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wanyo <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Costra <Domingueros de Norrath>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Topdog
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Digital <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jubei <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Bolo <Domingueros de Norrath>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cyren <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Controla <Domingueros de Norrath>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Salem <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roberto
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Thumperx <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Thakisis <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pudge
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Singing
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Colgate
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Sootwulf <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miria <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Maximilien <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mesochrist <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Incoming
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Push
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Larsen <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Brennard <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Charls <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Knife <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Polz <Azrael>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cricket <Nihilum>
[Mon Sep 23 16:00:09 2013] There are 54 players in Karnor's Castle.

[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] ---------------------------
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Samuell <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hashtag <Nihilum> LFG
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Node <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Letsjoe <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Agatha <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mendan <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kordaal <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Brennard <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nothxu <Nihilum> LFG
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dangle <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Feen <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Arzak <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Insurance <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elderan <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Beatz <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roxxur <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Milkshake <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Punkrock <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tune <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tailypo <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ajax
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Strydur <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Puddems <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hectorchrist <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pudge <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Badger <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Brea <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Brainz <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mellowyellow <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jupe <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mendo
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Maximilien <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Guido <Fair Fighters>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Xaezus <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Entuj <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dertnap <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Sickpuppy <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Aukshen <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pappa
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chuckdusky <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zozo <Force>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vayden <Force>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wanyo <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pyrokinetic <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Xokest
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Qazzaz <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mesochrist <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miria <Classic>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Korbel <Nihilum>
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cricket
[Mon Jul 29 21:45:14 2013] There are 50 players in Old Sebilis.

[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] ---------------------------
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cyrexx <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Barladore <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Guido
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hashtag <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Blarp <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cyborella
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mornin <Dentists>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Freez
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Terri <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mafakka <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Twainz <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Qazzaz
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Charls <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nerfette
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Saphira <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nothxu <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rexx
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tyrionn <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chuckdusky <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Milkshake <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roberto
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Scumbag <Azrael> LFG
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miley
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vituss <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Push
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Edward <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Feen <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Strydur
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wizing <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ganka <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chopper <Dentists>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dekadenz
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kinamaraa <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Sektorx <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Shrimp <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tune
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Checkraise <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jizzar <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wawaka
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cholk <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dingus <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Lite <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pudge <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miria <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Basiah <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jubei <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ragingclues <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elspeth <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wanyo <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Topdog
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gaffin <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Bangan
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vampiro <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nips <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Thakisis
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Singing <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Danak
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Deluxee <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Poopo <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Salem <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ibika <Azrael>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Puddems <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Eximo <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Willan <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Spectre <Nihilum>
[Fri Oct 11 17:44:30 2013] There are 66 players in Old Sebilis.

[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] ---------------------------
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Agatha <The Mighty Ducks>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Topdog
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Drakar
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Colgate
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Eximo <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ongobongo <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Skorge <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dekadenz
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hashtag <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Razzle
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gream <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Checkraise <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dingus <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Qazzaz <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chopper
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Helenkeller <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cyborella <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Trav
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ganka <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Puddems <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gloinzz <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Shrimp <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Poopo <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Duress
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Fungkwaq <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Insurance <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Willan <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [59 Revenant] Wawaka (Ogre) <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ruban <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chuckdusky <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nothxu <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Muhh <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Juancho <Domingueros de Norrath>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Twerk <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roberto
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Singing <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Digital <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elspeth <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Terri <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miria <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Thakisis
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Basiah
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Polz
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vituss <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Deluxee
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miley
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vampiro <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Bamzal <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jubei <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Lite <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Wanyo <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Maniaco
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Pudge <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Charls <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Queen <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Bolo <Domingueros de Norrath>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rellapse <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Grimjaw <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Lethdar <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Barladore <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Jizzar <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Scotia <Azrael>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Saphira <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Spectre <Nihilum>
[Mon Oct 14 17:44:46 2013] There are 65 players in Old Sebilis.

[Dullah]

Outnumbered on a daily basis for months.

Please go on.

[freez]

is that the total 6 times any multiple of guilds has barely outnumbered your better geared higher leveled players?

LOL

[freez]

lol im not arguing about this to the king of bluebies that has logs of the 6 times in 2 years his guild has been outnumbered by 2 to 5 players.


get a grip negus . if u tell urself that u guys are outnumbered daily for months then it might come true!

too funny tho

[Dullah]

Those were just a few times I saw batphone for pvp and was playing someone elses character.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to ease the butthurt.

cept for last 2. made a new char cause I thought you guys might actually get your shit together.

Couple losses and you folded like always.

[Smedy]

i am level 60, take away the pvp range completely

i want to sickpuppy style pvp up in here

[Elderan]

lol im not arguing about this to the king of bluebies that has logs of the 6 times in 2 years his guild has been outnumbered by 2 to 5 players.


get a grip negus . if u tell urself that u guys are outnumbered daily for months then it might come true!

too funny tho

Don't hate that your crappy guild leadership could not hold it together....

[Stasis01]

Whether all of Azrael joins Nihilum, or all of Nihilum joins Azrael - it's the same thing.

[Stasis01]

The only people not in Nihi are by choice, and really - you can keep it, one guild PVE farming box(which actually takes a fair amount of time keeping down, esp VP) - I could not imagine a bigger waste of time.

[Nirgon]

Can we get the Nilbog who likes classic EQ to approve this and let Alecta do the Lord Smedley's work here?

[Edgat]

North Nihilum
Jibeknn Red Dawn this guy is level 52
North Nihilum Bleargh Superadults level 52
North Nihilum Blackbart Red Dawn level 52
North Nihilum Homeless Red Dawn level 53
Ganka Nihilum Doinstuff Flowers of Happiness level 52 necro
Tune Nihilum Punkin Flowers of Happiness 52 or 53 druid?
Tune Nihilum Chanter Red Dawn level 53 or 54 enchanter?
p.s. this is just from the first page of leaderboard

Pretty sure North is only like level 54? that dude never levels...

I think we need a flagging system if a level 35 heals a level 60 they should be flagged to be attacked by everyone up to level 60 for x minutes or something

There have been several occasions when it has been a 1v1, 1v2, 2v3 etc in KC and azrael has had to log in a lvl ~45 boxed cleric to cast complete heals on themselves while fighting me or me + Tune

[Sektor]

System is fine.

[Silent]

tl;dr most of the pages, just going by the numbers. Someone made a suggestion that if level range is changed. If someone is out of range healing that level 60 or whatever, FLAG THEM so they can die or live depending on the outcome. No more out of range healing maybe midfight buffing? You complete heal a person while they are engaged in PVP whether new limit is 4 levels or 6 or stays the same, YOU CAN NOW BE KILLED. I am sure there can be a certain limit to the flagging so people don't finda way to abuse the system and spam YT on newly made healers.

[HippoNipple]

tl;dr most of the pages, just going by the numbers. Someone made a suggestion that if level range is changed. If someone is out of range healing that level 60 or whatever, FLAG THEM so they can die or live depending on the outcome. No more out of range healing maybe midfight buffing? You complete heal a person while they are engaged in PVP whether new limit is 4 levels or 6 or stays the same, YOU CAN NOW BE KILLED. I am sure there can be a certain limit to the flagging so people don't finda way to abuse the system and spam YT on newly made healers.

I like the flagging idea if you can code it right. If you heal anyone that is out of range above your level you are tagged red to players +/- 4 levels of your level and the person you healed. Duration, something like 2-5 minutes.

[HippoNipple]

Whether all of Azrael joins Nihilum, or all of Nihilum joins Azrael - it's the same thing.

If Azrael joined Nihilum then every level 60 would be farming PvE. If Nihilum all joined Azrael CoM would be camped so no one could level there and every level 60 would have a fungi tunic. It wouldn't be the same.


The only people not in Nihi are by choice, and really - you can keep it, one guild PVE farming box(which actually takes a fair amount of time keeping down, esp VP) - I could not imagine a bigger waste of time.

You were in Nihilum forever and got all your gear from them. It is only a waste of time now because you would be helping others after you already got everything you wanted. It is a bitch move and you can't be taken seriously on this matter going forward for the remainder of the Kunark era on this box.

We will see what you choose to do if Velious comes out before you have a chance to go to the teams server.

[Rallyd]

4 +- level range worked perfectly on Rallos Zek. But I have a sneaking suspicion that it would be far too easy for some people to "box" out of range healers in pvp if the level range were 4, this regarding the staff's recent move to "if we catch you boxing we'll just kick your box offline" punishment that is reserved for "people we can't prove are boxing, but we know they are"

Either way though, they can still oor heal with a 51 healer, which is not much different than a 55.. so to hell with it.. 4+- it is.

[Edgat]

Keep in mind I am NOT including a dynamic flagging system with this update.

no change to level range please

but especially no change to level range if no dynamic flagging system will be put in with it.

[Nirgon]

You can still have an out of range healer here.

Nothing is changed, dynamic flagging is complex and stupid.

The reason no one is doing it, is because it isnt worth it.

Why don't more people box lvl 51 clerics in PvP? What would them being 55 instead make so much different?

It just cuts down on the lowbie griefing (read: population killing)

[heartbrand]

You can still have an out of range healer here.

Nothing is changed, dynamic flagging is complex and stupid.

The reason no one is doing it, is because it isnt worth it.

Why don't more people box lvl 51 clerics in PvP? What would them being 55 instead make so much different?

It just cuts down on the lowbie griefing (read: population killing)

[diplo]

does this even really matter? no xp loss on pvp death or item loot. why further limit the pvp on this already small box?

[Rallyd]

You can still have an out of range healer here.

Nothing is changed, dynamic flagging is complex and stupid.

The reason no one is doing it, is because it isnt worth it.

Why don't more people box lvl 51 clerics in PvP? What would them being 55 instead make so much different?

It just cuts down on the lowbie griefing (read: population killing)

/agree

[Tradesonred]

I am telling you right now.. If you make it 4 level range and not FFA when a boss mob is up. People will have level 52-53 clerics in massive pvp battles.

I am telling you this because I would do it myself for sure.

So whats the big deal between a lvl51 cleric and a lvl52

[Nirgon]

Yeah you bring your lvl 51 and 52 clerics LOL

[HippoNipple]

Big backfire on Elderan there.

[Bazia]

lets cut the amount of people we can pvp in half when there is 100 people

[HippoNipple]

lets cut the amount of people we can pvp in half when there is 100 people

It would probably cut the amount of people you can pvp down to 0.

[Retti_]

If there was 4 range more people would go over 52 and make 100 pop 200 pop

Argument for all sides but consensus says 4 range is preferred.

[Nirgon]

It would probably cut the amount of people you can pvp down to 0.

Really, this is the truth here. I'm not poking at Basiah either but everyone focused on "omg less ppl to attack". The xp is so fast here, they should be 56 in no time and at least not be defending themself with (for many classes still) lvl 49 spells. God forbid they are able to get some planar or farm some of the more profitable zones within those next 4 levels.

Sure its great for some people to zone in and out and one shot lvl 52-55 ppl in rags but..

it's not good for the community. There's nothing "meaningful" about it other than wasting someone almost instantly and spewing all your angst into tells at that.

The thought of that doesn't do much for me really.

[Bazia]

just give insta 60 remove pvp and everyone is a winner here

[Edgat]

and if the only reason for this is because "people quit at 52 cause they get pvped" then its just going to be people bitching a few weeks later "people quit at 56 cause they griefed by 60s make pvp range +/-2"

Its a pvp server suck it up I leveled solo as a ranger with Gloinzz dropping ice comets on me and every azrael i came across attacking me "because im obviously a nihilum alt"

how many hundreds of people have already leveled to 60 with 8 level range now we have a 250% exp bonus and its not possible some how cause level 60s can attack you? All I see is people complaining "oh my solb group got attacked by lvl 60s" "my CoM group got attacked by level 60s" be glad there are enough people in your level range to make groups most of us leveled solo and had level 60s on us

TL,DR; stop crying this server is the easiest it has ever been to level on

[Kilbur]

I love the nihilum members arguing about having oor healers.. There is 50 of you... OOR healers are not gonna do shit.

[Edgat]

I love the nihilum members arguing about having oor healers.. There is 50 of you... OOR healers are not gonna do shit.

usually OOR healers happen in small skirmish fights 2v2s etc azrael never afraid to box in a cleric because there is no retribution for it. Boxing has gone from perma ban to slap on the wrist.

I have been in atleast a half-dozen fights in KC with small numbers 1v1-6v6 where a lvl 45-50ish cleric named baloibe or some shit has been logged in and obviously boxed at zone line casting complete heals

[Nirgon]

No cuz you could have lvl 52 naggy alt raids (if they was fixed too) and lvl 52-55 doing plane of fear makes it much easier.

Worked on RZ, will work here. NP.

[HippoNipple]

and if the only reason for this is because "people quit at 52 cause they get pvped" then its just going to be people bitching a few weeks later "people quit at 56 cause they griefed by 60s make pvp range +/-2"

Its a pvp server suck it up I leveled solo as a ranger with Gloinzz dropping ice comets on me and every azrael i came across attacking me "because im obviously a nihilum alt"

how many hundreds of people have already leveled to 60 with 8 level range now we have a 250% exp bonus and its not possible some how cause level 60s can attack you? All I see is people complaining "oh my solb group got attacked by lvl 60s" "my CoM group got attacked by level 60s" be glad there are enough people in your level range to make groups most of us leveled solo and had level 60s on us

TL,DR; stop crying this server is the easiest it has ever been to level on

As I said earlier this is the only argument for keeping it the way it is. Others had to endure it so the new guys should too. It is a pretty sad that we think others should deal with something that shouldn't have ever been implemented because the people that were here first had to. Time to be the bigger man and just be happy for the server that the correct rules are being put into place. FFA was +/- 4 levels on live and teams were +/- 8. There was good reason for it then and good reason for it now.

Resists were implemented custom and no one likes it, so we are changing it back, even though players had to deal with being rooted for 2 years when they should have been.

I understand compromising certain things for a small population like global /ooc and increased exp, but changing level range just so you come across more people in range is a mistake. Having a larger range doesn't increase the amount of creditable pvp, because that will always be between players within a couple levels of each other.

The people that want the larger level range are just bitter players.

[HippoNipple]

usually OOR healers happen in small skirmish fights 2v2s etc azrael never afraid to box in a cleric because there is no retribution for it. Boxing has gone from perma ban to slap on the wrist.

I have been in atleast a half-dozen fights in KC with small numbers 1v1-6v6 where a lvl 45-50ish cleric named baloibe or some shit has been logged in and obviously boxed at zone line casting complete heals

So you agree OOR healers is common with both systems and isn't a factor in this discussion?

[HippoNipple]

Triple bouncing boobs.

[heartbrand]

The entire "we had to go through this so you should too" argument is retarded. I could apply this logic to every single beneficial change to the server. Puddems leveled up post exp loss on pvp being removed so I guess he got the ezmode train ride to 60. We should've never changed that since other people had to endure it. Clickies were removed, and we all know how unfair those were, so I guess we should put them back in to keep shit "real" for the people leveling now. Whirl till you Hurl used to land 100% of the time and make enchanters gods on this server, us November 2011 folk had to deal with that, so I guess the 2013 folk should too. ETC. ETC. DUMB ARGUMENT STFU

[Edgat]

The entire "we had to go through this so you should too" argument is retarded. I could apply this logic to every single beneficial change to the server. Puddems leveled up post exp loss on pvp being removed so I guess he got the ezmode train ride to 60. We should've never changed that since other people had to endure it. Clickies were removed, and we all know how unfair those were, so I guess we should put them back in to keep shit "real" for the people leveling now. Whirl till you Hurl used to land 100% of the time and make enchanters gods on this server, us November 2011 folk had to deal with that, so I guess the 2013 folk should too. ETC. ETC. DUMB ARGUMENT STFU

I leveled with exp loss and 60 wizards dropping nukes on me

Also heartbrand is pushing for this because his entire guild is level 52s and they have beef with azrael now and getting griefed while leveling

he would have been pushing for 8 level range a month ago

[Bazia]

remove pvp its griefing all the new players off the server

[heartbrand]

I leveled with exp loss and 60 wizards dropping nukes on me

Also heartbrand is pushing for this because his entire guild is level 52s and they have beef with azrael now and getting griefed while leveling

he would have been pushing for 8 level range a month ago

Actually, this is the 15th or so thread I've made about this in the last 2 years. Nice try tho.

[Cymeon]

If you support 8 lvl range PvP, you are complete nerd max level faGgot that thinks 60 vs 52 is a notable geek badge.

Protip: It's not.

Brought to you, in full, by an aspy who trains a guy for 6 hours deleveling him from 35 to 4.

Fuck you kimm. Die in a fire. post some more screens of strippers and whores you'll never get lol

[RoguePhantom]

Wider level ranges work on servers with 3 things Red99 doesnt:

Teams.
High Population.
A lot of Content.

[Rec]

yes

[Langrisserx]

Brought to you, in full, by an aspy who trains a guy for 6 hours deleveling him from 35 to 4.

Fuck you kimm. Die in a fire. post some more screens of strippers and whores you'll never get lol

sounds red as fuck #yoloswag

+/- 4 THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN

lol@
http://i.imgur.com/W1gyAw9.jpg

Players for 8:
Bidin, compulsion, Dullah, Edgat, Elderan, Handpartytowel, karsten, Kinamara, Labanen, Lartanin63, Leftoverture, lethdar, Lowrider, magician, meatspin, Mingo, mostbitter, Pudge, quido, recks, RedRule, Rollbackprices, Samuell, Sektor, Silent, Slathar, Stasis01, The Bears, Tikku82, Velerin, Zarzob

players for reasonable range:
Axebeard, BeautBabeC, Blastman, BrobbVZ, canardvc, ChubbyBubbles, Colgate, Danger, DeadlyApostle, Eslade, Fawqueue, FoxxHound, fredschnarf, Frenzic, GoodGuyAmes, Greegon, hagard, HappyTr33z, Hateraid, heartbrand, HippoNipple, Instagib, jeffd, Josa, Keke, kluya, Langrisserx, Laugher, Littlegyno 10.0, Lols Umad, Lowlife, Mabash, Mono-Tone, Nads, Nirgon, Olscratch, Omarley, Pikrib, Pitborn, raka, Rallyd, Ranger_Danger, ravi, Rec, Retti_, Rexxin, rollin5k, Rust1d?, rusty81, s1ckness, SamwiseRed, Shinabaa, Snufz, Suirad, Taboo, Tassador, Tavrin, Teeroyoyort, Terpuntine, Tewaz, Thelemonsong, Thulack, Titanx, Tradesonred, utenan, Versch, Vexenu

hmm who will keep server alive vs dying off... slathar greifing newbs or everyone playing .. heheh OLE

[Nirgon]

Actually I think the resist modifier right now is +/- 10 for every level so

-80 resist all? In this system being a 52? HEH

And you tryin to tell me between 52-55 leveling in HS/Seb you wont have much more of a fighting chance?

Not buying it. Another 4 levels is a huge difference for ppl.

And hey, you can raid content that wasn't designed for 60s (Nagg) without being griefed by them.

Wow

Such smart

So Classic

Wow

[Not_Kazowi]

Leave it at +-8 with a pnp and lns. No reason to limit pvp, leveling at 52-56 is not impossible. I did it and had groups of 60s coming at me bi-hourly. Play better guys come on.

[Stasis01]

Leave it at +-8 with a pnp and lns. No reason to limit pvp, leveling at 52-56 is not impossible. I did it and had groups of 60s coming at me bi-hourly. Play better guys come on.

Yeah guys Rexx sucks it up, Nizzars dick that is.

[Not_Kazowi]

Yeah guys Rexx sucks it up, Nizzars dick that is.

Cool story dawg. I see you are massively immersed and still raging daily. Seek help

[lite]

4

[heartbrand]

Actually I think the resist modifier right now is +/- 10 for every level so

-80 resist all? In this system being a 52? HEH

And you tryin to tell me between 52-55 leveling in HS/Seb you wont have much more of a fighting chance?

Not buying it. Another 4 levels is a huge difference for ppl.

And hey, you can raid content that wasn't designed for 60s (Nagg) without being griefed by them.

Wow

Such smart

So Classic

Wow

Dr. Nirgon with Fact Bombs. Every1 else with WAHHH I SURVIVED IT SO SHUD U [while subsequently those same people crying about changing resists and other things we all had to suck it up]

Hey Puddems, maybe AOE's with cancel magic component should remain unresistable because hey, it was that way originally and we did it b4 u joined nilly, so hey man suck it up u no?

[Rallyd]

This is disgusting to be agreeing with jews and people who claim they played on Rallos Zek but don't know shit about it... alas..

[Tassador]

T99 will fix all of our problems.

[SamwiseRed]

t99 will be fun, whether or not it fixes anything who cares. gonna be fun as hell the first few months tho.

[Rec]

Well it fixes the problem of new people having no one to play with. So we could say with certainty that it fixes at least one problem.

[SamwiseRed]

dis is how t99 will work.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nlfR4ZqxQtQ/UpTdeCufSUI/AAAAAAAEBlg/TpdM3mYwK8Y/w320-h180-no/anigif.gif

[Langrisserx]

Rexx has bi level 60's coming on him, all i got from this

[Dullah]

The resist benefit from levels is not 10, its much lower. Level 52 spells land ez on 60s. I literally kept my wizard at level 52 just so I could pvp everyone from 44-60.

If they were to change the way level applies to resists, add a flagging system for oor healing, and put the new resist patch in, then possibly I could see a reason to change the level range.

Until then its stupid. You could easily teach your new players how to avoid getting ganked in the time it took you to post 100 times in the last week about changing pvp level range.

[SamwiseRed]

u could always leave the zerg to have alot more targets

if thats what you really want anyway.

[Aenor]

We're overrun with bluebies. 4 lvls? You know there is a blue server where you don't have to pvp at all.

[Tradesonred]

We're overrun with bluebies. 4 lvls? You know there is a blue server where you don't have to pvp at all.

Yea its a bit more blue, but u gotta make some compromises if u dont wanna play on a 50 player box.

[Dullah]

200 people on again tonight with 8 lvl range. Thriving.

[s1ckness]

200 people on again tonight with 8 lvl range. Thriving.

Red Dawn thriving for the better of red99

[Smedy]

I do what I can, despite my lack of a time machine.

lol'd

[RoguePhantom]

200 people on again tonight with 8 lvl range. Thriving.

Would love to see the level breakdown of this, "Thriving".

[Dullah]

200 players is 200 players.

With xp as easy as it is, the level break down would probably be more than half being 50+, with half of that being level 60.

Soon as big rogean and nilbog drop velious beta, its only gonna get better.

Almost time to stock up on mountain dew and hotpockets.

[heartbrand]

Velious beta is already out for some of us ;)

[Nirgon]

Alecta delete the section of code checking player level and performing whatever non-classic profane blasphemy it is calculating and set that shit to '4' dawg.

Or if the Nilbog who like classic EverQuest isn't in this week, hold up till he gets back in. Feels?

[RoguePhantom]

200 players is 200 players.

With xp as easy as it is, the level break down would probably be more than half being 50+, with half of that being level 60.

Soon as big rogean and nilbog drop velious beta, its only gonna get better.

Almost time to stock up on mountain dew and hotpockets.

I was referring to the 52 vs 60 population. Since everyone thinks its cool for 60s to grief 52s.

[Dullah]

Alecta delete the section of code checking player level and performing whatever non-classic profane blasphemy it is calculating and set that shit to '4' dawg.

Or if the Nilbog who like classic EverQuest isn't in this week, hold up till he gets back in. Feels?

+- 8 levels is more classic than +-4 considering that ruleset was on more servers.. In fact, no level restriction pvp is just as "classic" as +-4.

[heartbrand]

The only support I here for the continuation of the large level range is "that's the way it's been" or "moar pvp". The first reason is retarded as I have demonstrated prior, and the second reason may be true, perhaps, but is it the type of PVP we should be actively seeking on this server? I, and 70% of the voters in this poll, think not.

[Dullah]

Also, the 4 level system existed on a server with item loot.

Red isnt getting item loot, but if staff is really interested in trying the system out, they should apply it to the teams server which will have item loot.

[Dullah]

The only support I here for the continuation of the large level range is "that's the way it's been" or "moar pvp". The first reason is retarded as I have demonstrated prior, and the second reason may be true, perhaps, but is it the type of PVP we should be actively seeking on this server? I, and 70% of the voters in this poll, think not.

77 vs 42 is not 70%.

You could argue players in the middle are as likely to support 8 as they would 4.

Dat logic.

[heartbrand]

Not really, they are voting for a DECREASED pvp level range. So in fact my statement that 70% of people do not support a 8 up and down level range is absolutely accurate. Dat logic. You should worry more about your shared bank slot UI and auto swap IMO.

[Holey]

I say to keep everyone from QQ'/crying go for +4- to keep things good.

My 2 cents

[Dullah]

Unless they remove 6 range option, theres no telling where players in the middle would fall. Another illogical ASSumption on your part.

Plz tho, lets sling dirt and make hackusations. Give me a reason to break diplomatic relations and shit on red dawn instead of helping you do CRs while im trying to farm pixels.

[Taboo]

I can see those already 60 not wishing to decrease the amount of people they can kill/grief. And server def has alot of 60's

[Dullah]

The vast majority of 60s on red99 are within Nihilum and as a general policy we are anti-grief.

We're more concerned about the negative ramifications of having level 55 out of range healers fucking up end game pvp.

[heartbrand]

You can still have an out of range healer here.

Nothing is changed, dynamic flagging is complex and stupid.

The reason no one is doing it, is because it isnt worth it.

Why don't more people box lvl 51 clerics in PvP? What would them being 55 instead make so much different?

It just cuts down on the lowbie griefing (read: population killing)

[heartbrand]

Bidin, compulsion, Dullah, Edgat, Elderan, Feniggles, Handpartytowel, karsten, Kinamara, Labanen, Lartanin63, Leftoverture, lethdar, Liten, Lowrider, magician, meatspin, Mingo, mostbitter, Nothxu, Not_Kazowi, Nytch, peatrick, Pudge, quido, Razzle, recks, RedRule, Rollbackprices, Salem Orchid, Samuell, sbbecker, Sektor, Silent, Slathar, Stasis01, still_MORNIN, Technique, The Bears, Tikku82, Tiladas, Velerin, Zarzob

vs.

Axebeard, BeautBabeC, Blastman, BrobbVZ, canardvc, ChubbyBubbles, Colgate, Combobreaker, Dagarn, Danger, DeadlyApostle, dethbringre, Eslade, Fawqueue, FoxxHound, fredschnarf, Frenzic, GoodGuyAmes, Greegon, hagard, HappyTr33z, Hateraid, heartbrand, HippoNipple, Instagib, jeffd, Josa, Keke, kluya, Langrisserx, Laugher, limit, lite, Littlegyno 10.0, Lols Umad, Lowlife, Mabash, Mono-Tone, Nads, Nirgon, Nixus, Olscratch, Omarley, Origin, Pikrib, Pitborn, raka, Rallyd, Ranger_Danger, Rararboker, Rataxes, ravi, Rec, Retti_, Rexxin, rollin5k, Rust1d?, rusty81, s1ckness, SamwiseRed, Shinabaa, Snufz, spooge, Suirad, Taboo, Tassador, Tavrin, Teeroyoyort, Terpuntine, Tewaz, Thelemonsong, Thulack, Titanx, Tradesonred, utenan, Versch, Vexenu, Vile

seems interesting

[Colgate]

nihilum full of GRIEFERS

[Handpartytowel]

i vote 4 lvl range reinstate xp death, +-12 lvl range pvp but respawn with full hp mana, 3hr rezable and no yt

[Nirgon]

4 level range

single item

no to no drop

no to primary / 2ndary / range / bag

[Lime]

Doesn't matter what you change the rules too. People will always find a way to grief scrubs like heartbrand/fishbait2.0guilds. Be it on a level 60 toon or a level 51-55'd toon with level 60 buffs. No amount of jew tears will change this. Rallos Zek had 4 level protections put in place and what resulted was a very active 45-55 pvp base that skirted the 60's and answered to no one.

Sad to say but most of your guild probably wont make it no matter what the ruleset is it if includes pvp.

[Holey]

hah my name isnt on the list im in the middle bitches!

[Nirgon]

Lime, this isn't to some how make some side magically win.

It's about implementing a classic rule set (which works) and reducing the amount of people who get to 52 then quit cuz a 60 bard chasing them constantly while trying to at least get to a level that isnt scrub tier.

You can be 54-56 and farm planar for a while so you won't ding 50-52 and instantly have items at risk to lvl 60s.

Not to mention, at 8 lvls, you realize thats a -80 resist modifier for most spells here? I don't have the formula but thats what I think Null said he did. Mind you, I got rooted first cast as a 57 by a 60 with 168mr here and snared 2nd cast by a 59 druid at the same value. Pretty stupid. These should be extremely low resist requirement spells, and here, even having full max magic resist in every slot doesn't seem to help. Oh the days when wearing a froglok crown was viable/mattered... but I digress.

And for the people looking to support their own interests only.. think of this. Maybe more people will stick around and farm plat to buy things from your guild bank.

[Dullah]

The guy that doesn't play here should tell us more about how the server should work.

[heartbrand]

This has nothing to do with my guild LOL. I've been making posts about the stupidity of the level range and FFA status of Sol B / Permafrost for months and months. Just being on the other side of it has opened my eyes even further to how big an issue this is that really needs immediate attention. It was dumb in classic when wizards two spell ranks higher than you could drop ice comet on you, and it's dumb in kunark when duelist epic rogues can one shot you @ 52. This is a no brainer.

[Colgate]

The guy that doesn't play here should tell us more about how the server should work.

the guy that gets banned repeatedly for breaking the rules should tell us more about how the server should work

[Pudge]

It isn't -80 resist. There's not much of a disparity between spell resists. I believe alecta posted once about it, the difference was like .8% per level. So a level 52 has like 6% less chance to resist/land a spell.

[Retti_]

Lol 52+ exp zones:

Guk (shitty and away from any zonelines, not enough mobs to sustain a group but doable)

SolB right next to a port and really easily accessible. Also FFA so lvl 35s getting royal groups can get 1 spotted by 60s. Efreeti/bugs only options. Pvp can happen 4 seconds after they zone in if they know your there. Be on your toes.

Karnors lol good luck. Pit stop for Kunark ports, your lucky to have 15 minutes of uninterrupted exp. Only with guild support or lowest pop play times is this viable. Faction makes pvp favorable/unfavorable if you even attempt.

Kedge only so good up to mid 50s

COM pvp all day, high ground wizards sunstriking lvl 52s. Have an alt or be prepared to plug frequently and slow role it if solo. Fake groups I.e. join and 1 shot when low hp. Don't bother unless you can have 2 or 3 groups to lock it down and defend from enemy guild pvp.

Sebilis viable, camp or evacuation if 60s come in. Hope your session lasted long enough to make it worth.

High keep solo only, starved for mobs.

Perma bear pits no charmer (druid preferred) no dice. Out of the way. Real risky for melee. FFA.

Chardok one of the best options because it's not frequently visited but everything's a caster and it's ez to get trained by yourself. Need good group class makeup. Azrael and Nihilum each have people with faction in here. 1 lvl 60 with faction can wipe your entire group. Have a good CR.

The Hole is another best option because it's out of the way and not frequently checked. Need a porter to get out once you drop down. Need a cleric and an enchanter.

These are the options people have. Making them deal with 60s while having these options is discouraging. Even with ez fast exp. Being forced to camp or plug or get Ytd by someone 8 lvl higher or a group of people 8 lvls higher slowly eats people's moral and enthusiasm to level up. Even if they can get 10 the normal exp rate people want to play not be forced to not play.

[Dullah]

It isn't -80 resist. There's not much of a disparity between spell resists. I believe alecta posted once about it, the difference was like .8% per level. So a level 52 has like 6% less chance to resist/land a spell.

[Dullah]

I'm all for removing FFA on any zone where a dragon doesn't currently reside. (ie its been killed)

That said, if you don't know how to avoid getting ganked at 52, 4 levels isn't going to save you.

[Retti_]

A lvl 52 melee can barely hit a lvl 60.

If the lvl 60 is a monk
he's nearly invincible with natural avoidance + lvl advantage.

[Retti_]

I'm all for removing FFA on any zone where a dragon doesn't currently reside. (ie its been killed)

That said, if you don't know how to avoid getting ganked at 52, 4 levels isn't going to save you.

It's doable but only the sickest individuals will spend 3 hours dodging a group of level 60s in a single night.

Like when dentists (myself Hughman nerfed kring lime etc) ported around several hours going to seb kc com hole Chardok dodging like 2 groups of nihilum with bloodlust.

[heartbrand]

Lol 52+ exp zones:

Guk (shitty and away from any zonelines, not enough mobs to sustain a group but doable)

SolB right next to a port and really easily accessible. Also FFA so lvl 35s getting royal groups can get 1 spotted by 60s. Efreeti/bugs only options. Pvp can happen 4 seconds after they zone in if they know your there. Be on your toes.

Karnors lol good luck. Pit stop for Kunark ports, your lucky to have 15 minutes of uninterrupted exp. Only with guild support or lowest pop play times is this viable. Faction makes pvp favorable/unfavorable if you even attempt.

Kedge only so good up to mid 50s

COM pvp all day, high ground wizards sunstriking lvl 52s. Have an alt or be prepared to plug frequently and slow role it if solo. Fake groups I.e. join and 1 shot when low hp. Don't bother unless you can have 2 or 3 groups to lock it down and defend from enemy guild pvp.

Sebilis viable, camp or evacuation if 60s come in. Hope your session lasted long enough to make it worth.

High keep solo only, starved for mobs.

Perma bear pits no charmer (druid preferred) no dice. Out of the way. Real risky for melee. FFA.

Chardok one of the best options because it's not frequently visited but everything's a caster and it's ez to get trained by yourself. Need good group class makeup. Azrael and Nihilum each have people with faction in here. 1 lvl 60 with faction can wipe your entire group. Have a good CR.

The Hole is another best option because it's out of the way and not frequently checked. Need a porter to get out once you drop down. Need a cleric and an enchanter.

These are the options people have. Making them deal with 60s while having these options is discouraging. Even with ez fast exp. Being forced to camp or plug or get Ytd by someone 8 lvl higher or a group of people 8 lvls higher slowly eats people's moral and enthusiasm to level up. Even if they can get 10 the normal exp rate people want to play not be forced to not play.

A+++++++++++++ Post

[Dacuk]

The vast majority of 60s on red99 are within Nihilum and as a general policy we are anti grief.

Wow you are wearing serious blinders homie. I came back to the server a few months after kunark and was griefed daily by nihilum level 60s the second i hit 52 (tune nearly always involved, Nizzarr about half the time).

Definitely made me take some extended breaks due to the nuisance of griefing, and to hear you say nihilum is anti griefing is truly pathetic. Btw this was before azrael existed.

[Lawler]

The vast majority of 60s on red99 are within Nihilum and as a general policy we are anti-grief.
Aren't 90% of Tunes kills mid-low 50's?

[Andis]

These are the options people have. Making them deal with 60s while having these options is discouraging. Even with ez fast exp. Being forced to camp or plug or get Ytd by someone 8 lvl higher or a group of people 8 lvls higher slowly eats people's moral and enthusiasm to level up. Even if they can get 10 the normal exp rate people want to play not be forced to not play.

Yes these are the options you have.

AND LETS NOT FORGET THIS IS A PVPER SERVER OMG

PVP WILL HAPPEN

IF YOU DONT LIKE PVP, RED IS NOT FOR YOU

PLEASE GO TO BLUE.

[heartbrand]

Yes these are the options you have.

AND LETS NOT FORGET THIS IS A PVPER SERVER OMG

PVP WILL HAPPEN

IF YOU DONT LIKE PVP, RED IS NOT FOR YOU

PLEASE GO TO BLUE.

You can force your friend to play the bobcats while you play the 96 bulls in nba2k also, and run the score up. That's also pvp rite? Some of you ppl are prolly the same faggots that forced your friends when you were growing up to keep rolling the dice when you had like 15 hotels on the board and ur friend had like Baltic Avenue, just so you could collect his last dollar, or when you had 50000 troops and ur friend had like 10 troops left in irkust or some shit and you made him roll it out.

[Andis]

stop bitching about pvp seriously makes my brain hurt

the zones that have a FFA, must have one for a reason

its classic right? get over it

[heartbrand]

Actually it's not classic which is kind of the point

[Andis]

^ need evidence

your word, as most server knows by now

aint worth shit son

[heartbrand]

^ need evidence

your word, as most server knows by now

aint worth shit son

I've done more for server health in two weeks than you have in two years. Just sayin.

[Andis]

I've done more for server health in two weeks than you have in two years. Just sayin.

ya congrats, you run to everyzone and /guildinvite

you are the new nihi feeder guild

you're doing this server wonders bro.

more like continuing the cycle of this servers problem

zerging

[heartbrand]

Azrael still holds that title sorry. We have daily scheduled raids and exp groups. The guild is a team environment where friends come before pixels. We also have a raid alliance with FoH and who doesn't like FoH? Apply now at: reddawnguild.com, winter is coming!

[Andis]

azrael holds title for hand-holding with nihi? or holds title for telling nizzar when azrael on move for dragon?

sorry

you cant fool this box legend homie

[heartbrand]

You're a moran if you don't think red dawns plan is to eventually compete on this server for all raid targets. However, we will do so in a fun / sportsmanlike manner, and will do so when we as a guild are ready. Sorry that's too hard for you to comprehend. Perhaps a perusal of our site: reddawnguild.com will help you understand what we are all about.

[Tassador]

Grats to trypp for getting way with blatent hacking.

[Andis]

ya you're competing alright

tune pulling seb key phs for red dawn

real competition there.

[heartbrand]

Ya, sorry I'm not marching 35 level 48's into KC wielding ghoulbanes and mith two handers to compete against 45 level 60s. Clearly a tactical error has been made.

[Bazia]

Wish you guys luck

Hope that when your guys hit 55+ they don't just all instantly app to Nihilum like I expect they will. (Like the Utanven tell to Hateraid in the Droga thread)

I had fun pvping some of your guys, and for the most part they were good sports about it and not ragey at all. Good signs of having a future here on red.

[Andis]

lol please HB so clueless

hes a feeder guild and he doesnt even realize it yet

[Retti_]

Andis sits in a 2 man guild assisting a 4 man guild with 15 boxed characters and a reputation of failure with 10 different guild names and worst leader on server.

Claims if people can't handle pvp while leveling up they should quit while he's playing his level 60 and promoting 8 level range.

Not sure if serious or retarded.

[Andis]

sorry, im here for the pvp

i promote pvp

this is a red server amirite

[heartbrand]

Will Red Dawn lose members to Nihilum? Absolutely. Am I concerned in the slightest? Newp. I'll recruit more people, and keep on going. Nihilum also loses tons of people to burn out, it's the cyclical nature of the box. I'm willing to persevere and continue onwards, and I'm confident that if people see a goal, and they see the ability to attain the goal in Red Dawn, then we will continue to be an attractive destination.

You seem to imply the only way to not "lose" people would be to either not try, or to just go hard in the paint vs. nihilum day 1. We've had a guild that has tried that approach for over a year now, it's called AzraePlugVictory. It failed.

[Andis]

I hope you get something going

but your recent actions in game, say otherwise

[Retti_]

sorry, im here for the pvp

i promote pvp

this is a red server amirite

Yes u are right. But people need to get levels to pvp.

[heartbrand]

I hope you get something going

but your recent actions in game, say otherwise

Ya I mean those actions like daily raids, seb keying, exp groups, pl groups etc., pretty bad actions for building a successful guild.

[Bazia]

there's nothing you can do to stop easy mode faggots from jumping over

that's why most people don't bother trying any more

[heartbrand]

there's nothing you can do to stop easy mode faggots from jumping over

that's why most people don't bother trying any more

Those same people though then turn around and grief the guild trying to make the big plays, but yet simultaneously lament in the boards daily how bad the server is a la stasis.

[jeffd]

The vast majority of 60s on red99 are within Nihilum and as a general policy we are anti-grief.

nihilum kills in the last 24 hrs

Helenkeller Nihilum Zzwxyquetuctily Red Dawn 52
Ongobongo Nihilum Anklestraps Red Dawn 55
Ongobongo Nihilum Mooncricket Red Dawn 52
Helenkeller Nihilum Zzwxyquetuctily Red Dawn 52
Helenkeller Nihilum Wizing Azrael 60
Erdriick Nihilum Wyclef 53
Erdriick Nihilum Julean 52
Tailypo Nihilum Groven Red Dawn 52
Erdriick Nihilum Chewie Flowers of Happiness 56
Weta Nihilum Complexity Azrael 60
Hectorchrist Nihilum Fuzzycandy Red Dawn 52
Tune Nihilum Stoopy Red Dawn <50
Noah Nihilum Chewie Flowers of Happiness 56
Valentin Nihilum Trusken Red Dawn 54
Spectre Nihilum Twerk Azrael 60?
Combobreaker Nihilum Bonk Red Dawn 53
Wawaka Nihilum Dotchya 60?
Dongshow Nihilum Goatassin Red Dawn 54
Skelly Nihilum Anklestraps Red Dawn 55
Tailypo Nihilum Utanven Red Dawn <55
Outkast Nihilum Slowfate Flowers of Happiness <55

nothing wrong with griefing pal, i attack -8lvls myself

but i ain't lyin about it, namean

[Eslade]

I don't get why the guy from the Fair Fighters guild is so against people fighting fair. Isn't PvP more fun when your opponent actually stands a chance? It's hard enough when you're fighting someone who is twinked to shit, but if add the fact that they have 8 levels on you, then there is no real incentive to fight back. I can go to noob zones and smack around orc pawns and get pretty much the same effect.

But no, let's talk more of this glorious +-8 PvP range.

[Colgate]

I don't get why the guy from the Fair Fighters guild is so against people fighting fair.

got em

[SamwiseRed]

Lol 52+ exp zones:

Guk (shitty and away from any zonelines, not enough mobs to sustain a group but doable)

SolB right next to a port and really easily accessible. Also FFA so lvl 35s getting royal groups can get 1 spotted by 60s. Efreeti/bugs only options. Pvp can happen 4 seconds after they zone in if they know your there. Be on your toes.

Karnors lol good luck. Pit stop for Kunark ports, your lucky to have 15 minutes of uninterrupted exp. Only with guild support or lowest pop play times is this viable. Faction makes pvp favorable/unfavorable if you even attempt.

Kedge only so good up to mid 50s

COM pvp all day, high ground wizards sunstriking lvl 52s. Have an alt or be prepared to plug frequently and slow role it if solo. Fake groups I.e. join and 1 shot when low hp. Don't bother unless you can have 2 or 3 groups to lock it down and defend from enemy guild pvp.

Sebilis viable, camp or evacuation if 60s come in. Hope your session lasted long enough to make it worth.

High keep solo only, starved for mobs.

Perma bear pits no charmer (druid preferred) no dice. Out of the way. Real risky for melee. FFA.

Chardok one of the best options because it's not frequently visited but everything's a caster and it's ez to get trained by yourself. Need good group class makeup. Azrael and Nihilum each have people with faction in here. 1 lvl 60 with faction can wipe your entire group. Have a good CR.

The Hole is another best option because it's out of the way and not frequently checked. Need a porter to get out once you drop down. Need a cleric and an enchanter.

These are the options people have. Making them deal with 60s while having these options is discouraging. Even with ez fast exp. Being forced to camp or plug or get Ytd by someone 8 lvl higher or a group of people 8 lvls higher slowly eats people's moral and enthusiasm to level up. Even if they can get 10 the normal exp rate people want to play not be forced to not play.

damn, ***** makin sense.

[Langrisserx]

^ ban for racism!

[SamwiseRed]

im half black so i can say *****

black from the waist down

[Holey]

do people still think you need a porter to get out the hole? damn you all need to explore LOL

[big mouth chew]

why am i not banned yet
fuck you
fuck this idea
fuck everything
fuck

[Eslade]

why am i not banned yet
fuck you
fuck this idea
fuck everything
fuck

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Andy-Dwyer-Shock.gif

[Holey]

why am i not banned yet
fuck you
fuck this idea
fuck everything
fuck

no
no fuck you
no fuck you for this idea
no fuck your everything
no fucks given
i win:cool:
and btw just change it to 4 levels so we can have people less qq's imo but FFA in raid zones.

[pharmakos]

i haven't been playing lately, but some thoughts:

it sucked when i was soloing on my paladin in the late 40s and i'd get jumped by someone in the upper half of the 50s. no amount of skill on my part is going to give my level 49 paladin a chance against a level 57 of any class, except maybe a cleric without a manastone. (if i have LOH up)

on the other hand, if i'm out rolling with a group of guildies and one of the higher levels in my group got jumped by someone above my PVP range... it would be nice if i could get in a few swings on whoever jumped us.



tl;dr -- smaller level range is better for soloing, while a larger level range necessitates making friends and roaming in packs so that you don't get ganked.

not sure which i prefer, will likely get back into red after i beat this solo RPG i'm working on.... will vote later.

[runlvlzero]

I do what I can, despite my lack of a time machine.

hahahahahahaha don't tell me all you guys rolled this post over pages and pages and didn't get this hahahaha.....

You guys need antidepressants, masturbation, or hormone therapy. Vanilla sex is bad (pregnancy leads to more depression and suicidal thoughts)

[Langrisserx]

91 votes for 4 +/- on a box with 180 generous max more like 150... lets do this majority rule.. save Red Dawn from nilly and revolutionize the box!

[Holey]

CHARLES BRONSON! died? :(

Nilly ALL THE WAYY BABY!

do +/- 4 we still rock ya world. OH YEAHHH BABY - Austin powers voice

[jeffd]

it took a new dev to come and within a couple weeks he dropped an epic patch, if only we had him at the start

pull the plug

it's been in so much pain for so long

let it die

[rusty81]

lol... more votes than players on the server.

[mtb tripper]

lol... more votes than players on the server.

[Bazia]

CHARLES BRONSON! died? :(

Nilly ALL THE WAYY BABY!

do +/- 4 we still rock ya world. OH YEAHHH BABY - Austin powers voice