nilbog, do you even science?

[Danger]

I understand that you don't want to experiment on red with item loot. I know one can cite valid reasons such as why implement it late in the lifespan of a server that has a bubble of kunark and god loot on it, I get it. So I'd like to highlight a suggestion/solution to perhaps appeal to all concerned parties, a solution I saw posted elsewhere but felt it deemed its own thread, and is as follows.

Launch a beta server. Populate said server with character copies from red. Engage in pre-experimentation in item loot varients, bagging varients, no drop tags, etc. As nirgon said, one doesn't experiment with a pizza recipe by dumping chocolate all over it, one would add a droplet or two to a bite sized portion, taste, and continue.

This is why we should test the most controversial issues, such as item loot, concurrently with continuing resist fixes, and even before team composition testing. Frankly, additional feedback that would come from more pvp engagements on a beta server may provide to be more useful than current red99 feedback. The forums are a good indication that the natives are restless, and while I understand that Velious is the main effort at the moment, lets start examining mechanics (such as item loot variants be they random, RZ, or darktide) sooner, rather than later.

[runlvlzero]

TLDR (not even worth giffing)

*really bad structure, hard to attempt to read

** it's clear your mad at Nirgon from thread title

*** would have been easier for you to say "Nirgon I'm very mad at you." and in thread body say "Because your not a proponent of my really cool item loot trolly ideas."

**** Nirgon is a proponent of a stable and well maintained project, not one that randomly caters to the whims of the popular majority.

[Rec]

Mr wizard says if item loot is such a great thing than people would be dying to have it whether their server was old or not

[runlvlzero]

Also, I'm dieing to have trivial loot code implemented on your happy fun box that will save your egos.

[Danger]

Before you begin criticizing my post, lets examine the last hour in your life.

Today, 12:06 AM
Today, 12:00 AM
Yesterday, 11:55 PM
Yesterday, 11:52 PM
Yesterday, 11:52 PM
Yesterday, 11:51 PM
Yesterday, 11:50 PM
Yesterday, 11:46 PM
Yesterday, 11:46 PM
Yesterday, 11:45 PM

you took a shit here.

Yesterday, 11:28 PM
Yesterday, 11:27 PM
Yesterday, 11:22 PM
Yesterday, 11:18 PM
Yesterday, 11:13 PM
Yesterday, 11:12 PM
Yesterday, 11:11 PM
Yesterday, 11:08 PM
Yesterday, 11:06 PM
Yesterday, 11:05 PM
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and so on, for about 6 straight hours in this fashion.

[runlvlzero]

Before you begin criticizing my post, lets examine the last hour in your life.
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you took a shit here.
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Website was down a sec/ddos. (I did not get up to shit)

P.S. my criticism still stands. Forumquest srs business.

[Danger]

apparently, seeing as you're giving yourself bedsores and hemorrhoids over it.

[runlvlzero]

apparently, seeing as you're giving yourself bedsores and hemorrhoids over it.

Your time stamps are for 2hr and like 10 minutes. If you go from 10:00pm to midnight.

That's hardly EQ poopsock territory. I do other things while spamming. * most people watch a few hrs of T.V. every day. ** including poopsockers and forumquesters *** I'm way to fuckin hip for T.V. I watch youtube.

also **** two monitors *** hurrrdurrr

[Tradesonred]

God i havent missed the annoying trolls of P99 i gotta admit

I think the OPs idea is a good one

[runlvlzero]

The funniest thing is this is a thread about nilbog and not Nirgon :p and no one even stopped to argue that.

I think the OPs idea is a good one

The idea is an old one.

**** P.SSSSSSS.PLS.P.S > The OP is the ORIGINAL < heroic troll of the EQ pvps apparently he's some legendary fella

* and it's not a bad idea, but kind of up in the air with the staffs discretion...

If you allow copies, you wont really get the benefit of "science" you will just see what end game will look like on a low population box.

[Tassador]

Let's talk about you know what let's talk about you know what with you and me lets talk about it.

[Lowlife]

beta server pls

with BLUE character copies (see, thats how you do it, lure them into the beta with their own blue chars)

teams sub-forum

[Kergan]

I understand that you don't want to experiment on red with item loot. I know one can cite valid reasons such as why implement it late in the lifespan of a server that has a bubble of kunark and god loot on it, I get it. So I'd like to highlight a suggestion/solution to perhaps appeal to all concerned parties, a solution I saw posted elsewhere but felt it deemed its own thread, and is as follows.

Launch a beta server. Populate said server with character copies from red. Engage in pre-experimentation in item loot varients, bagging varients, no drop tags, etc. As nirgon said, one doesn't experiment with a pizza recipe by dumping chocolate all over it, one would add a droplet or two to a bite sized portion, taste, and continue.

This is why we should test the most controversial issues, such as item loot, concurrently with continuing resist fixes, and even before team composition testing. Frankly, additional feedback that would come from more pvp engagements on a beta server may provide to be more useful than current red99 feedback. The forums are a good indication that the natives are restless, and while I understand that Velious is the main effort at the moment, lets start examining mechanics (such as item loot variants be they random, RZ, or darktide) sooner, rather than later.

What incentive are you going to give people to spend their time on a beta server testing these changes knowing their progress will be wiped out when they could be acquiring permanent pixels on R99?

You'll end up with about 20 diehards setting all the policy and 75% of the population not getting their say. This is not science.

[Danger]

Because all of that is going to happen either way.

There is going to be a beta server, there was one for red99 (But we as a community demanded the server be launched, due to our eagerness, assuming bugs from null's miscarriage would be fixed later.) Why not launch a beta earlier, way earlier, as red fixes are ongoing, but let people fuck around with different item loot variants. You don't need (and frankly it just complicates) full coded team rule sets to experiment with that.

Item loot is a huge topic on here if you haven't noticed. Lets get that shit hammered out early.

[Kergan]

I just don't think you'll get enough people putting in enough time to make the test results worth anything. I'm not disagreeing with your idea at all, just doubting the effectiveness. I could be wrong.

I'd rather them just say, the weekend of January 31st we're going to make R99 item loot with X rules. On Monday we'll switch it off, roll back the server to before we turned on item loot, give a week long double exp bonus and do a full repop. Then at least people won't have a choice to play and you'll probably get better results.

[runlvlzero]

I just don't think you'll get enough people putting in enough time to make the test results worth anything. I'm not disagreeing with your idea at all, just doubting the effectiveness. I could be wrong.

I'd rather them just say, the weekend of January 31st we're going to make R99 item loot with X rules. On Monday we'll switch it off, roll back the server to before we turned on item loot, give a week long double exp bonus and do a full repop. Then at least people won't have a choice to play and you'll probably get better results.

I know 99% of the retards in this thread have me on ignore. But Kergan is way smarter than you cast.

[Danger]

I'd rather them just say, the weekend of January 31st we're going to make R99 item loot with X rules. On Monday we'll switch it off.

First of all, they will not do this, it has been stated and falls in-line with their policy that your pixels will never be fucked with. Second of all, you think that disrupting the red server for even a weekend and rerolling, which Nihilum etc would go apeshit over, would gather more data than months of a beta server?

A beta server is going to happen for teams, that has also been started by nilbog, all i'm stating is might as well get that puppy up this winter and start experimenting with item loot, despite all of Alecta's work on more general red99 fixes in all likelihood not being completed at that point.

[HippoNipple]

I just don't think you'll get enough people putting in enough time to make the test results worth anything. I'm not disagreeing with your idea at all, just doubting the effectiveness. I could be wrong.

I'd rather them just say, the weekend of January 31st we're going to make R99 item loot with X rules. On Monday we'll switch it off, roll back the server to before we turned on item loot, give a week long double exp bonus and do a full repop. Then at least people won't have a choice to play and you'll probably get better results.

It has already been said that there will be no item loot on red99. It isn't going to be implemented, even for just one day. You also can't judge the success of a server off of one day. Beta servers are always a good idea and there is nothing to lose from it.

Just because they open a beta server doesn't mean they are going to take all their information from their findings on that server. If it is a flop it is a flop, nothing to lose.

[Nirgon]

I'm fixin' on drinking 10 code red mountain dews and comin' at the likes of ya'll like a spider monkey.

[fredschnarf]

Before you begin criticizing my post, lets examine the last hour in your life.

Today, 12:06 AM
Today, 12:00 AM
Yesterday, 11:55 PM
Yesterday, 11:52 PM
Yesterday, 11:52 PM
Yesterday, 11:51 PM
Yesterday, 11:50 PM
Yesterday, 11:46 PM
Yesterday, 11:46 PM
Yesterday, 11:45 PM

you took a shit here.

Yesterday, 11:28 PM
Yesterday, 11:27 PM
Yesterday, 11:22 PM
Yesterday, 11:18 PM
Yesterday, 11:13 PM
Yesterday, 11:12 PM
Yesterday, 11:11 PM
Yesterday, 11:08 PM
Yesterday, 11:06 PM
Yesterday, 11:05 PM
Yesterday, 10:54 PM

and so on, for about 6 straight hours in this fashion.

this is funny

[Gustoo]

Confirmed item loot on non teams 99 imminent.