so let me get this straight...Canni II>Canni III?

[spoils]

wut do?

why would they do this?

[Freakish]

The level 56 undead cleric nuke is less efficient than the lvl 44 one too.

[Vicatin]

Cani 3 actually gives 46 mana for 100 health. Just tested. Wiki wrong, cani 3 ftw.

[Estu]

Cani 3 actually gives 46 mana for 100 health. Just tested. Wiki wrong, cani 3 ftw.

Please update the wiki instead of just saying 'wiki wrong'. Not hard~

[Ele]

The level 56 undead cleric nuke is less efficient than the lvl 44 one too.

:confused:

Exile is better immediately at 55 and only gets better on the way to 60.

Banish (44) is 585 dd for 225 mana = 2.6 damage/mana ratio
Exile (55) is 675 (@55) for 250 mana = 2.7 damage/mana ratio
Exile (55) is 725 (@60) for 250 mana = 2.9 damage/mana ratio

[Freakish]

Hmm, for some reason I thought Exile was 300 mana. I just logged in and verified those mana costs are correct though, both on wiki and in-game.

[skipdog]

Since nobody is saying anything I guess I'll be the one...

46 mana for 100 health is not better than 36 mana for 67 health(Canni3 vs. Canni2).

Canni2 > Canni3 in terms of 'which spell gives me the most mana for each HP expended'

[Exmo]

Since nobody is saying anything I guess I'll be the one...

46 mana for 100 health is not better than 36 mana for 67 health(Canni3 vs. Canni2).

Canni2 > Canni3 in terms of 'which spell gives me the most mana for each HP expended'

Right, but which spell gets my mana pool full faster so I can torpor is really the question.

It's about mana per Cast, not mana per HP, since at 60 (with money) regen is a non-issue.

[skipdog]

Yeah absolutely, once you have torpor it makes sense to ignore efficiency.

[Furniture]

Canni 3 is less tedious to use constantly and works great with a fungi or torpor but i can see the concern without it. Even if i had no fungi id still use canni 3 , cannibalizing to me is the most tedious and annoying parts of playing shaman, but obviously is great nonetheless

[Etaria]

As soon as I got Canni 3 I never went back. It may not be as efficient, but like Furniture said, it is so tedious, and sometimes, I am oom and cleric is oom and I need mana fast. It would take too long using canni 2 and those precious seconds can count.

[fishingme]

I use a mix of canni 2 and canni 3. When I'm running low on hp/mana I'll use canni 2. When I'm inbetween casting epic/roots while im sitting at full hp but i have 60-70% mana, I'll pop a couple of canni 3's so I'm not wasting full HP/regrowth timer. Note - Always have gate loaded!

[BlkCamel]

I use a mix of canni 2 and canni 3. When I'm running low on hp/mana I'll use canni 2. When I'm inbetween casting epic/roots while im sitting at full hp but i have 60-70% mana, I'll pop a couple of canni 3's so I'm not wasting full HP/regrowth timer. Note - Always have gate loaded!

What do you normally have memmed? Seems like your wasting 2 gems. Gate not worth keeping memmed unless you are sure to need it. Better if you go into a situation knowing you can't just gate out. You won't be stupid and try stuff you shouldn't.

Although sometimes I have 2 roots memmed so there is a time and place for it.:D

[fishingme]

What do you normally have memmed? Seems like your wasting 2 gems. Gate not worth keeping memmed unless you are sure to need it. Better if you go into a situation knowing you can't just gate out. You won't be stupid and try stuff you shouldn't.

Although sometimes I have 2 roots memmed so there is a time and place for it.:D

I'll have to list them when I get home. But I have para earth and immobilized Keller for fast root. I'm not wasting any gem slot, I got epic hehe so its a rotation of root and epic cast. I strongly disagree that gate is a bad spell to have memmed. It has gotten me out of some bad pulls that have turned into a room respawning ontop of me a few times. Situations are a bit different when you're exploring zones for the first time, just broke into hs the other week and harmtouches can be a twat

[fishingme]

Considering the shaman class I'm unsure how ya can really waste spell slots when you have epic. Really is just epic, root, heal if needed. I think you'll need to explain your stance on it a little better. I find myself wanting to clear large rooms of 8-10 mobs at a time. Hardly have to use gate unless I time room respawns badly but I like to be more prepared than not and there isn't really any alternatives to the spells that I load that I'd actually like to use. I know that ill dump mana on plague after memming it if I want clarity, but if not its just a waste of mana since I do not have a regen bp

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spells

canni 3, immobilize, heal, malo, gate, pet, canni 2, paralyzing earth.