To the decent folk in Red Dawn.

[lite]

After having a few sentence exchange with your guild leader checkraise about his assistance with trakanon, he immidiately ran to Nihilum to inform them that we were going to attempt Trakanon. We were enjoying the thought of not interfering with your advancement in the server so that you may add to the level 60 base. I hope it is clear that the actions of the leader will inevitably have an impact on how we interact with you.

http://i.imgur.com/Eqm6BK2.png

I very clearly show that we are prepared to work with you guys depending on how many trakanon prepared characters you could supply, considering the fact that most people in your guild presently don't have keys, nor the levels.

Regardless of what disagreement occurred between Azrael and Red Dawn, the idea of resorting to getting Nihilum involved because you can not do anything on your own, is just pathetic.

In addition to that, I do not beleive saying "no thx" twice and then running to Nihilum to fight your battles for you, are the actions of a "resistance" leader.

[lite]

find a way to work with the guy who instead of conversing with you, immidiately threw Nihilum your way. Why didn't I think of that ?

[Silent]

=P

[Vile]

lol

[HippoNipple]

Politics son, starting from the bottom is tough.

The second you say loot was up to the council is when anyone in their right mind would dismiss the whole idea.

As far as telling Nihilum about it.... not sure about that one, maybe just good politics, or maybe the leak came from somewhere else.

[Rallyd]

These degenerates will never understand how politics works.. Lite still believes he can structure a guild as the "resistance". This is the exact opposite of what a guild leader should be trying to accomplish.

A good guild leader at this point should be trying to stay out of Nihilum's way as much as possible to avoid being crushed while building, and then when they think they are ready to contest, to do so in a cordial manner and stay away from shit-talking and grudge matches.

Just because this is a pvp server doesn't mean you can't respect opposing guilds.

[iiNGloriouS]

Politics son, starting from the bottom is tough.

The second you say loot was up to the council is when anyone in their right mind would dismiss the whole idea.

As far as telling Nihilum about it.... not sure about that one, maybe just good politics, or maybe the leak came from somewhere else.

Apparently you didn't see the bottom part of the screenshot, or can't read. I can't tell.

[Colgate]

EVERQUEST

[lite]

The second you say loot was up to the council is when anyone in their right mind would dismiss the whole idea.


let's just dismiss that second line

[HippoNipple]

Apparently you didn't see the bottom part of the screenshot, or can't read. I can't tell.


Your dumb.

[Smedy]

http://www.azraelpvp.org/2013/11/big-drama-in-norrath-red-dawn-azrael-diplomacy-fail/

judging from both text i'd say top jew is on the wrong one here, that last line from lite sorta made everything up for discussion, someone fired of a little early i think

the resistance will continue to make gains through out norrath, u feel me?

[Smedy]

on the wrong? i mean in the wrong , jesus my swedish is flaring up hard

[lite]

http://i.imgur.com/Mr9BufK.jpg

for lazy fags

[heartbrand]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/24/article-2314065-195F5D1D000005DC-34_634x458.jpg

[Vile]

wait what who is topdog? confusion... smedy send you that screen?

[Topdog]

wait what who is topdog? confusion... smedy send you that screen?

Agreed, how the fuck did smedy get those screenshots out of my computer? I never sent them away wtf???

[lite]

The part I love the most is I was asking for Checkraise personally to assist, rather than his guild. Not because we don't want their assistance, but because 95% of them I dont think are even seb keyed or 52 +.. I honestly beleived the idea of assisting the Resistance would be enticing to him.

[heartbrand]

Red Dawn isn't a resistance, we're another guild on the server looking to prepare for Velious and slay pixelated giants and dragons with many fine loots, while having an enjoyable time together. If said slaying of giants and dragons results in pvp skirmishes, all the more fun, but we aren't concerned with what other people outside the guild are doing.

[HippoNipple]

When someone asks for your help and then tells you their guild will decide who gets all the loot they are trying to strong arm you. They are treating you as a lessor guild.

If it was about beating Nihilum and having a real alliance then everyone involved would roll for loot.

You get an offer like that and you throw them to the wolves.

[heartbrand]

When someone asks for your help and then tells you their guild will decide who gets all the loot they are trying to strong arm you. They are treating you as a lessor guild.

If it was about beating Nihilum and having a real alliance then everyone involved would roll for loot.

You get an offer like that and you throw them to the wolves.

Pretty much that. Anyone who thinks the "substantial" thing is legit is prolly dum. But even if it was [which it wasnt], it would have made Red Dawn instantly KOS to Nihilum meaning every planar clear we do we would be getting steamrolled etc. Ain't a hard choice.

[Retti_]

Basically

"Hows loot gonna be handled"

Lite says, "ill give it to my alts and people that share accts w me"

"No thx"

Haha basically

[Brennard]

Basically

"Hows loot gonna be handled"

Lite says, "ill give it to my alts and people that share accts w me"

"No thx"

Haha basically

Pretty spot on. Thats how he convinced me to give him my info but I lost my emu so now I lost my char so I quit server... real shitty

[HippoNipple]

Pretty spot on. Thats how he convinced me to give him my info but I lost my emu so now I lost my char so I quit server... real shitty

So no one can change the password.... meaning you can't log in because someone is always logged in your character?

[Dacuk]

HB why would you immediately send a tell to nizzar trying to blow up azrael's spot? If you didn't want to help with trak a simple no thanks would have been. I personally have helped red dawn folks out with stuff and not asked for any reward...not sure why this is a weird thing.

[heartbrand]

Short Answer: You have your members like Sickpuppy and Basiah following around Red Dawn members on fungi tunic alts slaying them across Norrath and then wonder why people don't want to help you when you suggest you will be taking all the loot if we help you with an action that will instantly make my entire guild KOS to Nihilum. ehl oh ehl

[Dacuk]

sorry, still don't get why you immediately send nizzar a tell, and just tell lite no thanks, and thus avoid either azrael or red dawn messing with your crew thats leveling up.

[Dacuk]

god that was a retarded post, what it should have said was:

"sorry, i still dont get why you sent nizzar a tell, instead of just telling lite no thanks, and thus avoid either azrael or nihilum messing with your crew thats leveling up"

[Retti_]

Pras HB leader of Red Dawn

[Littlegyno 10.0]

1 Scumlords of Azrael harass Red Dawn daily with twinked alts and you stupid ******s don't understand why they won't help you?

2. Scumlord Lite wants Red Dawn to help them with Trakanon but his guild gets to decide what loot Red Dawn gets? You ******s serious?

3. Any alliance of Red Dawn and Azrael will be met with harsh repercussions and you still wonder why these ******s won't help you?

Honestly Lite, how fucking stupid are you?

Heartbrand just Boehner'd your ass.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/01/130104_POL_Boehner.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

[HippoNipple]

god that was a retarded post, what it should have said was:

"sorry, i still dont get why you sent nizzar a tell, instead of just telling lite no thanks, and thus avoid either azrael or nihilum messing with your crew thats leveling up"

Hindsight, probably shouldn't have told Smedy he told Nizzar. Not sure what the gain there is. HB was out Jewed on that one.

[Andis]

not surprised by topjews actions

he is still the topjew

now lite, you still wanna let them roam free???

[Retti_]

As a member of Nihilum I vow to oor and oogroup powerlevel heal and protect Red Dawn from all Azraels

[Dacuk]

lol at all this nihilum sucking red dawn's dick - as soon as RD is 55+ welcome to grief city to prevent any possible pixel loss. You guys remember when heresy hit 50s? fuckin perma griefed by nihilum.

As always, the server will restabilize into nihilum vs non nihlium in about a month or so, guaranteed. Only thing to be decided is if it will be under Lite's tag, HB's tag or a third option, yet to be seen..

[Retti_]

I vote HB tag let Lite go 6 box seb or hs alone

[Kraftwerk]

<Full Red Retard Classic Plug Dawn> now recruiting, must be lvl 60, a Wizard, have Sunstrike, use SS constantly and be willing to plug at a moments notice to avoid being at wrong side of YT.

PM me.

[Genedin]

These degenerates will never understand how politics works.. Lite still believes he can structure a guild as the "resistance". This is the exact opposite of what a guild leader should be trying to accomplish.

A good guild leader at this point should be trying to stay out of Nihilum's way as much as possible to avoid being crushed while building, and then when they think they are ready to contest, to do so in a cordial manner and stay away from shit-talking and grudge matches.

Just because this is a pvp server doesn't mean you can't respect opposing guilds.

[maverixdamighty]

Pretty spot on. Thats how he convinced me to give him my info but I lost my emu so now I lost my char so I quit server... real shitty

troll account from jupe/agatha. jupe stole brennard's gear so this is pathetic.

[Korrupt]

rap game everquest

[Dacuk]

troll account from jupe/agatha. jupe stole brennard's gear so this is pathetic.

yea brennard forum name was scratch n sniff or some shit like that

[Elspeth]

A good guild leader at this point should be trying to stay out of Nihilum's way as much as possible to avoid being crushed while building

This can only result in your guild basically becoming a feeder for Nihi. Which was probably the reason the guild was created to begin with. If there was really such bad blood between HB and Nihi he wouldnt have ran to Nizzar immediately after he realized he wasnt going to mooch loot from Azrael. Starting to see why his rep is what it is.

[Brennard]

Was same pw as my emu

Lite hijacked me sad days

[Agatha]

jupes asleep, thats not me. Don't think its the real brennard either. lol.

[heartbrand]

The only feeder guild for Nihilum is Azrael to be quite frank. See: Agatha / Jupe / Noah / Retti etc., etc., Red Dawn is it's own guild that is building to become a guild on the box that can potentially contend and do big things in Velious. We aren't a resistance, we aren't an anti-guild of anyone else. Please don't define us, thanks.

[Silikten]

You basically chose to be kos to azrael, who have better pvps, rather than nihilum. At least with nihilum you would win skirmishes. Now, you just have the same situation you were trying to avoid, per se, with another top guild.

Not sure why you couldn't have just said, no thanks, like Dacuk suggests. You fucked yourself, bud.

[heartbrand]

Top Guild and azrael in same sentence, lots of laughs

[Silikten]

The only feeder guild for Nihilum is Azrael to be quite frank. See: Agatha / Jupe / Noah / Retti etc., etc.,

Drugs, drugs, extremely annoying, pixel frenzy...what are the etc's?

[Barladore]

I feel bad for whats about to happen to the red dawn members :(

[Elspeth]

When you actually get some 60s this will become evident to you as well. All this talk about gearing for Velious is hilarious. Velious launches practically the same time as teams at which point this server will be abandoned. Also youve done your guild a huge disservice. Before today 80%+ of Azrael left RD alone and now its open season.

[Supreme]

What will be grand is when Red Dawn over takes Azrael when Velious launches.

You see Red Dawn led by Checkraise has not been giant douches on the server towards Nihilum. I suspect that the Duke will show great kindness in leaving Kunark alone when Velious releases.

[heartbrand]

When you actually get some 60s this will become evident to you as well. All this talk about gearing for Velious is hilarious. Velious launches practically the same time as teams at which point this server will be abandoned. Also youve done your guild a huge disservice. Before today 80%+ of Azrael left RD alone and now its open season.

Typical toxic azrael player post "wahhhh this box sucks wahhhh it will be abandoned wahhhhh" np bro gl on sky dkp

[Andis]

You fucked yourself, bud.

aw yiss pvps inc

[Elspeth]

never said this server sucks, honestly id rather they cancel teams and we all just stay here. but anyone who has illusions about this server being populated after teams launch is only kidding themselves. also typically mindless scum response by someone who has nothing of merit to respond with.

[Terpuntine]

I think most people know Lite is a real nig when it comes to loot and they don't trust him in any kind of authority position.

[heartbrand]

I think most people know Lite is a real nig when it comes to loot and they don't trust him in any kind of authority position.

[Elspeth]

its hard being such a real ass ***** in a world of bitches.

[Retti_]

Top Guild and azrael in same sentence, lots of laughs

[Retti_]

bro gl on sky dkp

[Littlegyno 10.0]

pras heartbrand scumfuck jewlord.

[Nizzarr]

pras heartbrand scumfuck jewlord.

[Exotics]

azrael stock confirmed declining

SELL SELL SELL

[HippoNipple]

Azrael jumps at the opportunity to declare war on someone they can beat. Finally something to boost deflated ego.

Everyone knows the list is much much much larger than HB just listed as far as Azrael members fleeing to Nihilum.

If this "incident" didn't rock the boat as far as tension between Azrael and Red Dawn something else would have. The same as when Red Dawn progresses and starts building tension with Nihilum.

Red Dawn isn't even on the radar of Nihilum yet but they are obviously on Lite's mind if he is asking for their assistance already. The guild has been around for 2 weeks.

Like HB said the guild is doing their own thing but outside guilds will obviously take notice and start shit along the way.

[heartbrand]

The fact that Azrael is more concerned about a guild of level 30's through low 50's atm than contesting for targets on Repop Day, is pretty much why no1 is concerned with azrael or takes them seriously.

[lite]

Red Dawn isn't even on the radar of Nihilum yet but they are obviously on Lite's mind if he is asking for their assistance already. The guild has been around for 2 weeks.


do you even play here ? 99% of their members don't even have sebilis keys or 50+. I was asking checkraise to come, it was an invitation to an individual. Which is why the idea of him talking about loot rules was pretty out of left field. So I entertained the conversation by saying " substantial amount of non azrael" , rather than just brushing him off.

[lite]

The part I love the most is I was asking for Checkraise personally to assist, rather than his guild.


reading comprehension. It matters..... I'd already clearly stated we had 0 interest in Red Dawn.

[Retti_]

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae276/lane1987/backfire.gif

[k9quaint]

reading comprehension. It matters..... I'd already clearly stated we had 0 interest in Red Dawn.

Title of the thread: "To the decent folk in Red Dawn"
Subject matter: "We have zero interest in Red Dawn"

Good to know. :rolleyes:

[Supreme]

Title of the thread: "To the decent folk in Red Dawn"
Subject matter: "We have zero interest in Red Dawn"

Good to know. :rolleyes:

LOLOLOLOLOL

[lite]

Zero interest in having sub 50's for trakanon, yes....

[Litharack_Necro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZfC9139G3M

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Lite proven to be a fucking retard once again. As if Azrael 1.0-22.0 arent proof enough.

Jesus dude, go suck on a shotgun and do Red99 a favor.

[Salem Orchid]

read first page and it seems like there is a lot of nerds mad that pvp is about to happen

[HippoNipple]

reading comprehension. It matters..... I'd already clearly stated we had 0 interest in Red Dawn.

The messages back and forth sounded like you were fishing for numbers the entire time. I went to fear with Red Dawn once and they actually had a decent number of good players there that were probably keyed. Several clerics level 57-60. They were lacking bards though, maybe you could help out next time. I bet they would let you roll.

[heartbrand]

I caught slack for letting azrael members on the fear raid roll on shit but I said "if they're a member of the raid assisting they are as entitled to loot as anyone else assisting," so much so we specifically went to great lengths to pull the tentacle terror in the temple for quiet, who actually got the boots off of it. I see that goes one way. I know lite's games and what not, I'm not interested in power struggles or shit like that which is why I told him no thx.

[Kraftwerk]

Lite proven to be a fucking retard once again. As if Azrael 1.0-22.0 arent proof enough.

Jesus dude, go suck on a shotgun and do Red99 a favor.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, can't we all just preten to be elfs without hoping others commit suicide?

Loot always went fine for me in Az, I got our first Chardok shield, Lite got a group together to help my lvl 1 rogue get epic a week after they dropped. Good family atmosphere would recommend to a friend.

[lite]

The messages back and forth sounded like you were fishing for numbers the entire time.

Nope, checkraise had expressed to me tons of times in the past his distaste for Nihilum and what they do to the server. Also offered to help us out on shit, but I guess now that he thinks he is a power player in the equation, he is reverting back to his shit ways.

95% of the Red dawn i've encountered is out of range.. The rest I left alone, as I do not get some sick joy the way Nihilum did with Heresey.

[heartbrand]

Yaw dunno lite is a megalomaniac, nothing new to see here folks. Grats Triquestra promotion to officer. Red Dawn isn't a dictatorship, we have several officers and are built to compete and do big things in velious. Applications are open please contact an officer in game for more info.

[Dacuk]

[QUOTE=heartbrand;1193171I know lite's games and what not, I'm not interested in power struggles or shit like that which is why I told him no thx.[/QUOTE]

Told him no thanks and then immediately turned around and sent nizzar a tell? Yea so much for your "im just doing my own thing dawgs" facade. Obviously u rooting for azrael to fail shrug wuteva

[Retti_]

http://cdn.userpics.com/original/2_liter_bazooka.jpg

[Bazia]

my 44 druid does not have a fungi nor is he twinked

and i dont follow around ur members, they are just literally every single person in range to me at 44

[HippoNipple]

Nope, checkraise had expressed to me tons of times in the past his distaste for Nihilum and what they do to the server. Also offered to help us out on shit, but I guess now that he thinks he is a power player in the equation, he is reverting back to his shit ways.

95% of the Red dawn i've encountered is out of range.. The rest I left alone, as I do not get some sick joy the way Nihilum did with Heresey.

I was just going off of you saying "what do you have available" in your quote from the OP.

As for past times with you and HB talking about not liking Nihilum I believe it. Jesus, you guys are texting each other, I'm sure you share with each other stories of common enemies and betrayals.

I understand the message to Nizzar for a little breathing room while HB works around the clock to help out the new guild- a Jew move but it makes sense. The message to Smedy definitely a bad move.

[HippoNipple]

It's hard to tell what goes on behind the scenes, the couple lines of text we see on this thread doesn't tell much.

[karsten]

I'm not interested in power struggles or shit like that

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif

[HeisChuck]

pras the emperor, heartbrand doing gods work

fuck the haters

:):)

[heartbrand]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif

Coming from Noah who literally instigated fake power struggles for no purpose other than to create drama, see: euro raid where he accused me of "taking over" and had everyone gate out, when I wasn't even in TS nor spoke. I love that I don't have to shave my pubes tho cuz karsten always around to polish my ballsack real nice for me.

[Retti_]

Lite attack thread:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/092011/1316539764_mma_kicking_fail.gif

[Salem Orchid]

Retti posting a GIF for every other persons post, heeee mad

[Nads]

Great thread. Will continue to f5.

[Recycled Children]

Not sure where your argument is here. "Loot council" LOL full elf immersion. Who would go for that shit?

[karsten]

Coming from Noah who literally instigated fake power struggles for no purpose other than to create drama, see: euro raid where he accused me of "taking over" and had everyone gate out, when I wasn't even in TS nor spoke. I love that I don't have to shave my pubes tho cuz karsten always around to polish my ballsack real nice for me.

you have got to be the most unlucky jew i've ever met. It's like all sorts of people try and lie/shit on you for no reason.

[Korrupt]

You and the rest of Azrael need to get over your fucking ego and just let this new guild be on their marry way and continue to push forward on this server. Its shit like this is why the population is fucked. You all are caught up in highschool drama like kids.

Grow some fuckin hair on your chest Lite and stop being a little bitch. Heartbrand seems like a reasonable guy to talk to about this but just like the rest of the bitchmade kids on this server they just rather spew it on the forums.

[Salem Orchid]

Ends conversations by telling Nihilum what Azrael is doing. Sounds reasonable!

[Dacuk]

I caught slack for letting azrael members on the fear raid roll on shit but I said "if they're a member of the raid assisting they are as entitled to loot as anyone else assisting," so much so we specifically went to great lengths to pull the tentacle terror in the temple for quiet, who actually got the boots off of it. I see that goes one way. I know lite's games and what not, I'm not interested in power struggles or shit like that which is why I told him no thx.

Uhh you advertised an open fear raid to the whole server, thats a bit different than lite asking you to help on trak.

[iiNGloriouS]

Ya'll are so immersed. Who the fuck cares? Azrael will do what Azrael does because they enjoy it, don't like our playstyle? Shut the fuckup and join someone else then.

[Agatha]

i hate all of you.

[Agatha]

so much.

[runlvlzero]

After having a few sentence exchange with your guild leader checkraise about his assistance with trakanon, he immidiately ran to Nihilum to inform them that we were going to attempt Trakanon. We were enjoying the thought of not interfering with your advancement in the server so that you may add to the level 60 base. I hope it is clear that the actions of the leader will inevitably have an impact on how we interact with you.

http://i.imgur.com/Eqm6BK2.png

I very clearly show that we are prepared to work with you guys depending on how many trakanon prepared characters you could supply, considering the fact that most people in your guild presently don't have keys, nor the levels.

Regardless of what disagreement occurred between Azrael and Red Dawn, the idea of resorting to getting Nihilum involved because you can not do anything on your own, is just pathetic.

In addition to that, I do not beleive saying "no thx" twice and then running to Nihilum to fight your battles for you, are the actions of a "resistance" leader.

Listen let me make this simple stupid for you.

If you want help from outside your guild your going to have to suspend your ego's and go for a more open loot system, either an alliance DKP website, keep track of that shit by hand at first if needed, or randoms.

It won't happen if you don't sacrifice loots to the rejects.

TBH whats more important? Loot or killing the mobs and Nihilum?

If it's trak teeth, make a compromise, that 1 trak tooth be randomed, the rest are counciled for VP keys.

You can't get ahead by being selfish, well you can, but you gotta be smart about it dawgs.

[Retti_]

Retti posting a GIF for every other persons post, heeee mad

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9a3vpVK241qdj1wu.gif

[pharmakos]

you have got to be the most unlucky jew

that's saying a lot

the jews haven't had the best of luck for the last 3,000 years or so.

[karsten]

ya dude

[SamwiseRed]

Tbh I'm tired if fighting nilly, the neck bears is too strong. I think hb is doing the right thing about keeping us off the radar.

As for azrael loot counc deciding who gets what if we were to assist, lol u serious?

[fredschnarf]

11 pages of waa

roll for loot or dont expect anyone to come for cross guild events

PS Tattling to nihilum instead of manning up -1 rep

PSS what kind of idiot joins a guild led by heartbrand?

[iiNGloriouS]

11 pages of waa

roll for loot or dont expect anyone to come for cross guild events

PS Tattling to nihilum instead of manning up -1 rep

PSS what kind of idiot joins a guild led by heartbrand?

[Eslade]

fredschnarf \/
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/so-mad-i-could.gif
Confirmed mad. Take a walk outside or something dude. It'll be ok.

[RoguePhantom]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9a3vpVK241qdj1wu.gif

Still miss the guild name, "Full Retard"

[Fame]

Red Dawn is def some of the most fun I've had playing red in two years, don't crimp our style bros:D

[runlvlzero]

oh yeah and /pras heartbrand, I called this shit b4 it ever happend lolslolololz

[runlvlzero]

even better, did not even read thread to come to the same conclusions, and hasn't been on box for a week+ now.

[Eslade]

We're done here.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/freakedout.gif

[s1ckness]

You do realize that all this infighting is the reason you'll never be able to beat nihilum, Right? I don't see why you could not of just hashed this out personally with ricardo instead of making a forum post about it. Makes me wonder about the motive.

this is a great post

way to make the problem public

[Retti_]

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50a8b47143f20.gif

[s1ckness]

These degenerates will never understand how politics works.. Lite still believes he can structure a guild as the "resistance". This is the exact opposite of what a guild leader should be trying to accomplish.

A good guild leader at this point should be trying to stay out of Nihilum's way as much as possible to avoid being crushed while building, and then when they think they are ready to contest, to do so in a cordial manner and stay away from shit-talking and grudge matches.

Just because this is a pvp server doesn't mean you can't respect opposing guilds.

for once i kinda agree with rallyd.. i shit talk alot which does not help my children in red dawn .
You can still contest some stuff and i dont really agree with what HB did by running to nilly but i dont agree with making things public on the forums for everyone to laugh at.

this isnt vztz. there are 2 many bad players on the server that cant hold their own and need help/ be left alone. Red Dawn is mostly 30-50 and will NEVER make it to 60 if they piss off the wrong people.. Nilly already greifing my youngins cuz of my actions but there is also a few people in nilly that wont greif them because they want to see competition. i and a few others can hold our own but my children need help.

[lite]

The purpose behind this was not to make anything public, but rather to inform Red Dawn why the guys who were being cool to them no longer will be. Given that their leader, regardless of having nothing to gain from it. Went and tattled to nilly.

This idea that I should go and speak to checkraise ..... I did speak to him, 2 sentences later he ran to nihilum. Don't know what kind of discussion can ever be had again after displaying yourself that way.

[heartbrand]

Nothin 2 see here folks, sec Red Dawn took off Lite sent me a tell asking me to join Azrael. Lite is paranoid / megalomaniac who killed original Red Dawn and Force and is now trying to kill Red Dawn Relaunch, but unfortunately ain't gonna happen dis time around, already quite a few Azrael members looking to make the leap. #BigThings

[Retti_]

Basically

"Hows loot gonna be handled"

Lite says, "ill give it to my alts and people that share accts w me"

"No thx"

Haha basically

[Kilbur]

I don't agree with telling nizzar about the raid but I also don't think it's something to try and Fuck a growing guild over.. You have to expect nihilum to be ready to contest trak each time.. Maybe it fucked the strat a bit ya. It's sad that it has to be like this but nizzar already has told RD they would leave them untill he sees them assisting azrael. So that leaves a choice, be kos to ehh 20 plus azrael? Or 40 plus nihilum who would probably go out of their way to prove their point? Just my two cents.. I mean if they are raiding with nihilum that's different but I say let it play out..

[heartbrand]

p.s., any1 who think nizzar / nilly didnt know azrael was formin iz dum

[Kilbur]

Also what's up with the twinks camped in unrest griefing straight up noobs in cloth on a non item loot server.. On rallos zek I had a twink pally but I would only fight the other twinks obviously for their gear etc.. How is ganking 30 copper fun?

[Nirgon]

Oh look twinks griefing people without fear of item loss. Did I predict that? I did? Ok, enjoy it!

[Kilbur]

This emu helped me quit my WoW addiction bros.. I just wanna see it thrive. I am proud to say I was one of the 10 non nihilum members that played here and stuck it out when the population was barely in the 40's.. Lol

[Langrisserx]

purple server is for pixels you couldnt get on blue. that is all. sorry.

[jeffd]

azrael v red dawn v nihilum

server finally interesting again for the first time in 1.5 yrs

[iiNGloriouS]

azrael v red dawn v nihilum

server finally interesting again for the first time in 1.5 yrs

See. Why is everyone so against this shit? Its a red server, more peeveepeez.

[runlvlzero]

Azrael going to get crushed like force did.

[Dullah]

You like 2 weeks late.

[Smedy]

this thread can be summarized by

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=246&dateline=1351996987

[s1ckness]

huehuehue

[Forum Warrior]

The second you say loot was up to the council is when anyone in their right mind would dismiss the whole idea.

loot councl gearing up thos mainless toons

[NotKringe]

I saw this coming from a mile away. This is why I quit the game. It doesn't matter how many times I say this kind of shit Azrael always ends up in the same situation, trusting people that aren't worth trusting. This server just blows, all options are awful and frustrating. I hope losing Karsten and myself was worth putting HB on a pedestal for a couple months till he found the right opportunity to stab you in the back again.

You say this same shit about everyone dood.. You were one of the main complainers (hell even boycotted helping for a month) when we actually were trying to form a solid alliance to contest at the time.. It is actually you max and Karsten is a backstabber as well.. Would talk solid to your face in TS and shit talk everyone behind their backs. HB probably made the right call there and I would have done the same. Unfortunately for Lite it didn't pan out like he wanted. But then again Lite has Friedchicken and a plethora of other Toxic people playing with him so I can definitely see again why HB said "no thanks"... And a sure fire reason we hope when teams launch most of these people man up and keep their same names... So we know who the fuck to stay away from..

[karsten]

i told you exactly how i felt about you straight to you, on numerous occasions

[Vampiro]

The only feeder guild for Nihilum is Azrael to be quite frank. See: Agatha / Jupe / Noah / Retti etc., etc., Red Dawn is it's own guild that is building to become a guild on the box that can potentially contend and do big things in Velious. We aren't a resistance, we aren't an anti-guild of anyone else. Please don't define us, thanks.

Lol you do red dawn consists of over 50% Nihilum alts.. Lol, HB I must say, I've always stood up for you even when you jewed me. Ask anyone in vent after you left Nihilum but, giving out info on azrael shows your true colors once again. Your a backstabber, untrustworthy scum of the earth bro.. If you not allied with Nihilum dunno what is than, your actions speak way louder than you words. Remember that

[heartbrand]

Over 50% nihilum alts bros. That means there must have been a lot of nihilum two boxers yesterday during raids. This is typical lite propaganda, the same lines he hard against force and heresy. Unfortunately for you guys, EQ is on my resume bros I won't be taking month long vacations to Russia, I can't be bullied or scared by rhetoric. What you don't seem to realize is azrael is a complete non factor to us. They're zero penalty for dying in pvp. If you guys want port around norrath killing level 52's while you bleed members who see azrael is nothing more than a grief guild, then by all means, knock yourself out. Literally zero fucks are given.

[runlvlzero]

Over 50% nihilum alts bros. That means there must have been a lot of nihilum two boxers yesterday during raids. This is typical lite propaganda, the same lines he hard against force and heresy. Unfortunately for you guys, EQ is on my resume bros I won't be taking month long vacations to Russia, I can't be bullied or scared by rhetoric. What you don't seem to realize is azrael is a complete non factor to us. They're zero penalty for dying in pvp. If you guys want port around norrath killing level 52's while you bleed members who see azrael is nothing more than a grief guild, then by all means, knock yourself out. Literally zero fucks are given.

This is common sense and common knowledge. It's sad topjew needs to type paragraphs to educate you box scrubs and forum noobs.

[Supreme]

Watching the competition tear themselves apart.

Shits classic.

[HippoNipple]

Lol you do red dawn consists of over 50% Nihilum alts.. Lol, HB I must say, I've always stood up for you even when you jewed me. Ask anyone in vent after you left Nihilum but, giving out info on azrael shows your true colors once again. Your a backstabber, untrustworthy scum of the earth bro.. If you not allied with Nihilum dunno what is than, your actions speak way louder than you words. Remember that

Nihilum alts that are deciding to play in Red Dawn instead of Nihilum, that isn't a bad sign. Not worried about spies, just having a fun guild. If people want to move over from Nihilum that is a good thing. If they decide to go back to Nihilum then it was a mutual beneficial relationship while it lasted.

I guess we will see soon since you can level to 50 in a couple weeks, those Nihilum alts should be about ready to jump ship if you are right.

[Bazia]

im not sure why ppl talk about RD so much, its just a bunch of level 48s getting PL'd in guk

they havent even made it to the mid 50s shit grind/grief storm

[heartbrand]

Here's what the lite core who is paranoid to the point of paralysis and has lost members booting "spies" doesn't get. There's literally nothing worth spying over on this server and no matter what you do whatever you're doing will still get leaked anyway. So rather than worry about voice authorizing people and taking down their eqemulator info in order for them to get loot, our policy is if you abide by the red dawn principles you're welcome to join. Yes, if it becomes public knowledge you're an alt or what not sure we won't be giving you loot over genuine members, but even in nihilum did have alts in my guild who cares? So they're using twinked chars to group with my members and help them level? OH noz!! P.s we will be raiding Thursday 8pm est and again on Sunday. I literally have nothing I'm worried about hiding.

[heartbrand]

One azrael alt who was in the guild was accusing every new member I invited of being a nihilum alt. I can see why azraels recruitment is booming with his Cold War tactics. I I've zero fucks what nihilum is or isn't doing. Do I want to compete eventually? Absolutely, but I'm not going to get there by coming after nihilum day one, and even when I do certainly not by fostering animosity and what not. Sorry that's hard to understand.

[hagard]

Azrael is still a guild?
I mean with dudes like sickpuppy and tunkak idk how yall haven't beat the box

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

[Nads]

One azrael alt who was in the guild was accusing every new member I invited of being a nihilum alt. I can see why azraels recruitment is booming with his Cold War tactics. I I've zero fucks what nihilum is or isn't doing. Do I want to compete eventually? Absolutely, but I'm not going to get there by coming after nihilum day one, and even when I do certainly not by fostering animosity and what not. Sorry that's hard to understand.

Preach son.

[runlvlzero]

Preach son.

/amen

[lite]

im not sure why ppl talk about RD so much,

Neither do I , lol. From the beginning the invitation was purely to checkraise... But I guess he is really delusional enough to think that his "20 man force" is what was being requested.

From Guk to ritches, namean ?

[Retti_]

One azrael alt who was in the guild was accusing every new member I invited of being a nihilum alt. I can see why azraels recruitment is booming with his Cold War tactics. I I've zero fucks what nihilum is or isn't doing. Do I want to compete eventually? Absolutely, but I'm not going to get there by coming after nihilum day one, and even when I do certainly not by fostering animosity and what not. Sorry that's hard to understand.

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[lite]

http://i.imgur.com/6RXs5Oc.png

[pharmakos]

http://i.imgur.com/6RXs5Oc.png

lol

[Andis]

Over 50% nihilum alts bros. That means there must have been a lot of nihilum two boxers yesterday during raids. This is typical lite propaganda, the same lines he hard against force and heresy. Unfortunately for you guys, EQ is on my resume bros I won't be taking month long vacations to Russia, I can't be bullied or scared by rhetoric. What you don't seem to realize is azrael is a complete non factor to us. They're zero penalty for dying in pvp. If you guys want port around norrath killing level 52's while you bleed members who see azrael is nothing more than a grief guild, then by all means, knock yourself out. Literally zero fucks are given.

god this is whats wrong with this server. blue is #1 in alot of minds.

nothing to lose except yt lolololol

pvp is why people play red

if u wanna farm the shit outta camps, go blue, gtfo

[runlvlzero]

lol

IKR...

[HippoNipple]

I feel bad Lite gets as bad of a rap as he does. He has the toughest job on the server and has to deal with some of the worst personalities. He doesn't have the luxury of ignoring the bullshit like Nizzar does because he has to fight for his members. He tries harder than most people on this server and has shown pretty good success considering what he goes up against.

Ego, strategy, and greed may be weak points but he represents himself well. A lot better than the rest of his guild does. Lite will go down as box hero in the Red99 history books.

[Greegon]

whew man impossible to read what youre/anyone is writing with that signature

not sure if should or shouldnt change

[lite]

Quote this for truth, as it's exactly what's going to happen, and any red veteran already knows it.

Checkraise will continue to be in this state of delusion where he's in charge of something, because a bunch of level 30's hit yes to a guild request. Like everything else Checkraise has initiated, it will fail. Nihilum will leave them alone because they know within the next month or 2 checkraise will run back to them, and that's one neckbeard they want for Velious. They will disregard all the trashing he's been spewing in Nihilum's direction over the last few weeks and take him right back.

[HippoNipple]

god this is whats wrong with this server. blue is #1 in alot of minds.

nothing to lose except yt lolololol

pvp is why people play red

if u wanna farm the shit outta camps, go blue, gtfo

A lot of people enjoy Red because of how PvE is handled. Waiting in line for stuff you want on a blue server or giving a shit about first to engage is a terrible system and ruins immersion.

The majority of EQ is still PvE on a Red server, but that small amount of PvP does change a lot. The number one objective should still be PvE, but you are able to compete for it in a much more realistic, fun and better way all around on a PvP server.

The decisions players make in possible PvP situations as well as ones ability in PvP shape reputations and the community as a whole. Even if these PvP scenarios are few and far between.

This is all hypothetical of course, this server blows when it comes to competing for PvE with PvP.

[Andis]

this server blows when it comes to competing for PvE with PvP.

hence my variance post

or any other idea to make this shit better

[pls insert here]

red99 needs pvp, not pve

long live the YT

FF

[lite]

I feel bad Lite gets as bad of a rap as he does. He has the toughest job on the server and has to deal with some of the worst personalities. He doesn't have the luxury of ignoring the bullshit like Nizzar does because he has to fight for his members. He tries harder than most people on this server and has shown pretty good success considering what he goes up against.

Ego, strategy, and greed may be weak points but he represents himself well. A lot better than the rest of his guild does. Lite will go down as box hero in the Red99 history books.


http://jjspsa.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/the-dark-knight-original.jpg

[lite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL7PSlUuWPs

[Combobreaker]

http://jjspsa.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/the-dark-knight-original.jpg

more like

http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/diggingahole.jpg

amirite?

[lite]

Because he's the hero Red deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it.

[Andis]

you can be the dark knight

the White Knight spot is taken.

[lite]

hahahahaha , ok

[runlvlzero]

Batman stopped being cool b4 the last movie was out.

[Retti_]

shut the fuck up and go play magic the gathering you're like 50 years old trying to convince everyone you're some everquest prophet. Your members are the ones who started all the in fighting with that merger i just realized you are all a bunch of scummy assholes who didn't want to listen to anyone's opinion on anything. This paired with being a smooth talker is why you feel the way you do. It's because you get into conversations with people and talk in circles until they either submit or decide that you aren't worth talking too. You don't even have a clear memory of the situation as I only refused to show for one raid during that time.


TLDR, Kringe you're a dick head and I don't give a fuck what you think, if you are so good at this game, and dealing with people, then why are you on the sidelines preaching at everyone instead of at the helm giving directions?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltke3fsSUt1qfofzl.gif

[Andis]

would bang present day snookie

just saying

[Retti_]

Gross wud rather bang the fat 1 than the alien head w buck teeth

[Salem Orchid]

Relapse is so dumb

[Delta]

Even with this thread, that I cant believe I actually read, Pras Red Dawn.
Been having a blast so far with Red Dawn, people helping people. Will be fun when guild actually 50+.
Keep it up Heatbrand, been doing selfless deeds.

[Greegon]

huh? wha?

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/fbod3ru.gif

[Tassador]

Clan is looking good enough to be a feeder for nilly assuming players hit 50.

[Danien]

The paranoia in azrael runs DEEP. When I was lvling my twink alt I was constantly asked who I was, and that I had to prove who I was and what not. Towards what purpose I do not know, I was just minding my own business playing solo at the time. What the fuck did it matter to them if I was a nilly alt or not? Who knows, I sure as fuck didn't care to provide evidence of who I was for no apparent reason other then for azrael to map potential nihilum members.

[Vampiro]

Over 50% nihilum alts bros. That means there must have been a lot of nihilum two boxers yesterday during raids. This is typical lite propaganda, the same lines he hard against force and heresy. Unfortunately for you guys, EQ is on my resume bros I won't be taking month long vacations to Russia, I can't be bullied or scared by rhetoric. What you don't seem to realize is azrael is a complete non factor to us. They're zero penalty for dying in pvp. If you guys want port around norrath killing level 52's while you bleed members who see azrael is nothing more than a grief guild, then by all means, knock yourself out. Literally zero fucks are given.

Lol, lite propaganda? Dude I havent talking to lite or anyone in azrael for over a week now. Finally logged on vent today. Dude you giving azrael information and location to Nihilum is down right fucking dirty.. I dont give two fucks bro.

[Vampiro]

I completely feel that this server needs a guild like red dawn. Do not get me wrong. I could give two shits if you wanted to do trak with them or not, its your choice. You had no business sending that tell to Jizzar. Its these stupid ass fucking decisions you keep making that make you look like the fool that you are! I all about helping people get levels and contest in this server

[heartbrand]

Azrael is toxic and needs to be cleansed for the server move forward

[krazyGlue]

Azrael is toxic and needs to be cleansed for the server move forward

I think your picking a fight your guild
Can't handle just yet similar to what happend to force . I would just admit you did wrong and move forward . But acting like a douch isn't going to help your guild in the log run remember like you said azrael is built on greifing and can guarantee if enuff Greif is layed ontop of your newly found alts an blue members your going to lose a big chunk . Just sayin

[Vampiro]

Azrael is toxic and needs to be cleansed for the server move forward

Go back to Nihilum? Honestly, oh wait you cant clean out their Gbank

[heartbrand]

There's no grief in this game because there's no penalty for dying in PVP

[krazyGlue]

There's no grief in this game because there's no penalty for dying in PVP

When you got a group of level 60s sitting ontop of a grou of level 52 corpses in city of mist for hours on end that is called Greif . Anyway do as you wish bro I wasn't there and I don't know exactly what happened yesterday. But don't act like it is impossible to Greif someone on this server Becouse it can be easily done

[lite]

http://i.imgur.com/DIbgSK3.jpg


VELIOUS READY

[Vampiro]

pras

[Nirgon]

Greif someone on this server Becouse it can be easily done

You really been sniffing that krazyGlue dawg

[krazyGlue]

Relapse mad

[runlvlzero]

Heartbrand rising above that shit, you guys will fail. And probably bring the entire wrath of the server down on you. 6vs120

[krazyGlue]

Heartbrand rising above that shit, you guys will fail. And probably bring the entire wrath of the server down on you. 6vs120

Who are you again ?

[Andis]

There's no grief in this game because there's no penalty for dying in PVP

lolol spoken like a true bluebie.

[HippoNipple]

Heartbrand rising above that shit, you guys will fail. And probably bring the entire wrath of the server down on you. 6vs120

Not really a big threat to them. They are max lvl with all the gear they could want outside of VP. Pretty hard to grief people that aren't interested in progressing and just log in to fuck around.

[runlvlzero]

Not really a big threat to them. They are max lvl with all the gear they could want outside of VP. Pretty hard to grief people that aren't interested in progressing and just log in to fuck around.

Yeah, but I don't think heartbrand has much to worry about either lol.

i.e. krazyderps threat that Azrael is going to do something other than what they've just been doing the last 3 years...

[Andis]

HB I was all for the idea of watching this red dawn turn into something

but when you rat to nizzarr about trak

brings back what everybody on this server knows you as.

may you and the rest of the red dawn future corpses RIP

[krazyGlue]

Yeah, but I don't think heartbrand has much to worry about either lol.

i.e. krazyderps threat that Azrael is going to do something other than what they've just been doing the last 3 years...

Who are you again ? Are you even level 52 ?

[Salem Orchid]

yeah heartbrand bringing the wrath down on his guild, he could of stayed a neutral faction but it's obvious this is just going to be another Nihi app guild.

[lite]

There was literally nothing at all to gain from it, except buying his crew an extra week or 2 of inevitable nihi grief. RIP Heresy

[Delta]

HB I was all for the idea of watching this red dawn turn into something +5


may you and the rest of the red dawn future corpses RIP -5

I guess have fun, bet serious kicks to be had from killing 52's with Golden Fire wedding rings. Doing exactly what you say Nihilum does...when in turn, you just push people their way.

[runlvlzero]

I guess have fun, bet serious kicks to be had from killing 52's with Golden Fire wedding rings. Doing exactly what you say Nihilum does...when in turn, you just push people their way.

They won't ever learn. The pop is just low enough to make them annoying enough to all the casuals so that the pop rarely increases.

[BrobbVZ]

Azrael going to lose massive members because of the actions of Lite,Salem and Krazy.. Surprise? LOL. I feel for you Lite, I honestly do. I know you've been beat down and spat on so many times that you just don't want to do it anymore, but your actions (Or lack of them) being able to control your guild is going be the fall of Azrael, has been. If you think Red Dawn is going to lose members because of the few Azrael members that enjoy griefing, you're wrong. You're going to lose the ones that don't, you already are and you will continue to lose more.

Watch.

[lite]

I love getting advice from the guy who tried to apply his guild to Nihilum, got denied. Then like many others was allowed in during the time of desperation, when they had been previously told to fuck off.

[Retti_]

PRAS EMP HEARTBRAND

[Retti_]

Dark Knight of RED

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m33vfqyM5W1qdl0vdo2_250.gif

[BrobbVZ]

Lite, you are confused young mexican. Watch bro, watch, I've already talked to several members of Azrael who will be leaving and I can see the ones that have already left. You must seriously be dumb if you thought that was an attack at you, enough to make you want to insult me? Geezus, fucking failure.

[lite]

I love getting advice from the guy who tried to apply his guild to Nihilum, got denied. Then like many others was allowed in during the time of desperation, when they had been previously told to fuck off.

[BrobbVZ]

Lite, because I care about your health and well being, let me clarify this Barney fucking style.

1. All of those members that I've talked to (over 6 in just a day) say they want to leave Azrael.
2. They were probably ONLY in Azrael because there was no other option for progression. Now there is, your reason for tolerating trash in your guild no longer applies. These guys don't have to put up with it anymore and can still NOT join Nihilum AND have fun.
3. Just watch Lite, many many members will be leaving Azrael soon, it will just be you and the scumbags of the server left in that guild.

[heartbrand]

I fully intended to rustle some jimmies that were inevitably going to be rustled anyway since Lite can't play well with others, knowing that by drawing the line in the sand now rather than later, people would flip. Seems 2 have worked already.

[lite]

you tried to apply your guild to nihilum after a month of its existance. Also, I guess you came to the server even later than I did, since you seem to think anyone actually relevant on the server would consider checkraise an option. Do some research.

[heartbrand]

how many mobs did you get on repop day yesterday? just curious

[Andis]

research shows:

heartbrand: top jew / deleted + steals chars / runs away with old guild banks

red dawn members, tread with caution

lite: given playtime, had couple of attempts at creating the anti nihi / due to leadership faults / server status , just not working out

----------------------------------------------------

this community needs better, whos up for the task lol

we need a true hero, this red box deserves

[heartbrand]

If you post the same regurgitated bs enough times, maybe it will become true dawg.

[Andis]

community knows andis states nothing but facts on these boards.

jury over-ruled

[lite]

how many mobs did you get on repop day yesterday? just curious

I've successfully taken Dragons and Gods from Nihilum, what's your track record as a guild leader again ? What happened when we created red dawn? Everyone left with me and you were forced to sneak into Nihilum..... Which you left a month ago, and are now playing informant to. Get real, you are the only one around here who doesn't think you are a joke. Good job tagging every level 30 you could find, you are quite the power player.

You will end up back in Nihilum in no time. Guaranteed.

[lite]

I want you to make a statement right here, right now. That you will not end up back in Nihilum. Show us how much confidence you have in yourself. I want something to quote in a month or 2 for when you do, and you will.

[Andis]

time will tell

till then let the blood spew

REDASFUCK

[quido]

cmon boys, work through your differences so we can get to some real fun =P skirmishes are fun but not as fun as 40v40 =P

[Andis]

cmon boys, work through your differences so we can get to some real fun =P skirmishes are fun but not as fun as 40v40 =P

andis tried with variance post

this server will never see mass pvp how we like it for one reason

the blubies like their dragons over pvp, simple

[Tassador]

Feeder clan for nilly top 10 will move with him to replace boxes and burnt out players.

[heartbrand]

Andis wanted variance makes numerous threads..Trak stays up over 24 hours his "smaller guild" cannot kill.

CLEARLY THIS SERVER NEEDS VARIANCE AMIRITE

[Salem Orchid]

We have all seen checkraise lead a guild before, I doubt things will be any different.

He is delusional if he doesn't think he is going to lose players over his actions yesterday, it's hard enough they have to deal with 5 whipes to kill 1 mob in plane of hate, 2 groups of azrael corpse camping his guild won't help that at all... Do the right thing before it's to late Checkraise, man up and say you made a mistake.

[Andis]

let me help you with that post.

andis made one thread on variance, to help promote guild v guild pvp.

FF had no intentions on killing trak. Azrael and others maybe.

But like we saw, HB runs and informs his duke about the possible trak attempt lol.

[heartbrand]

I think Wuoshi might be available in Velious, you guys shud give him a shot

[Retti_]

Andis wanted variance makes numerous threads..Trak stays up over 24 hours his "smaller guild" cannot kill.

CLEARLY THIS SERVER NEEDS VARIANCE AMIRITE

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[Salem Orchid]

HB i heard maestro is up in hate, should give it another shot

[Andis]

rellapse corpse last seen gfay spires.

[Nirgon]

You have *no idea* what you are asking for with variance.

Tune / other no lifers will pile on DKP tracking (more loot for Tune alts!) and go to raids at who knows what the fuck hours of the day like 7:45AM to log in for Talendor and shit.

If you just want to grief them by requiring tracking, maybe you will, but maybe the people who will be tracking see this as an opportunity for more "precious DKP".

[Nads]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24gocj9.jpg

**One of my all time favorites**

[Andis]

i dont care what it can or will do.

the proposition of variance was an idea.

cuz lets face it, the community isnt getting guild v guild pvp.

so anything, anything at all might help the current situation.

fact.

[Retti_]

How do you promote pvp with variance when all you wanted was a chance to kill shit un contested? trak staying up 24+h shows variance or not your guild cannot compete quit trying to come up with new reasons why you suck

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[Andis]

rellapse corpse last seen gfay spires.

[Andis]

i dont care what it can or will do.

the proposition of variance was an idea.

cuz lets face it, the community isnt getting guild v guild pvp.

so anything, anything at all might help the current situation.

fact.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

http://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/Robbie+is+the+hero+that+Gotham+deserves+_0aa2739c0 16940ffc0afb5f5ecd61f7c.jpg

[Retti_]

Chortled

But thats not nice

[krazyGlue]

Lol

[Eslade]

<img src="http://gifsforum.com/images/image/this%20thread%20delivers/grand/96932541.jpg">

[Andis]

I laughed not gonna lie

but thats messed up gyno, your a sick fuck

[SamwiseRed]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/shakespeares_sister/gifs/fox_zimmerman_laughs_130703c1.gif

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Opened this for responses to my Batman pic.

was not disappointed.

http://i.imgur.com/Z5juQ.gif

[Retti_]

Kfc so racist

[krazyGlue]

Actually it is .
It was founded by a kkk member and it was strategically placed in black neighborhoods

[heartbrand]

When it comes down to it the reasoning was as follows. Nihilum was putting the pressure on about us being buddy buddy with azrael, we were reaching a point where it was going to be either align with azrael and become KoS to nilly or dissociate ourselves from azrael and gain neutrality, relatively speaking for the time being with nihilum. I was debating which way to go over the last week. My interactions with lite were not positive such as them purposely shutting us out of naggy so they could get more loot etc., and then this.

When lite responded the way he did I saw the writing on the wall combined with some of their retarded players like sickpuppy. Even when we eclipsed them, which we would since they don't recruit nor focus on progression to attract people, that lite would want to call all the shots. Anyone who has dealt with lite knows that he can't be reasoned with. He would want us all in his teamspeak, making the calls, and shouting in his schitzo way at my members. When he would call for VS and I would say hey lets discuss it he would ignore me. Meanwhile his members would continue to kill mine on alts, loot would be funneled to azrael core (aka lite boxes) etc.

I decided the best option is to let azrael die, completely disassociate from it. Draw the line in the sand. If you don't care about progression, think killing level 52's is the pinnacle of Everquest, enjoy dictatorships and poor leadership where you have no input, crying on the forums rather than recruiting and change, then yes, the azrael tag is for you. For everyone else who wants to progress together and is not interested in doing so via nihilum, red dawn is the guild for you.

This doesn't mean we have "allied" with nihilum, far from it, but we realize that we can compete in a civil manner, and not be toxic and what not like azrael desires. I never understood why people can't fight over some dragons and then group up during the day for a fungi group or exp or schmooze. I hope to bring that level of civility.

[krazyGlue]

Tldr

[Andis]

I got one honest question

who is in charge of red dawn loot

[Retti_]

http://grantstevens.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/the-emperors-new-groove.jpg

[heartbrand]

Loot is random for all who can use and participate. When velious comes we will move to some sort of hybrid dkp model, that will be discussed and voted upon as a guild. The goal of red dawn is transparency.

[Andis]

transparency is good

a quality that is much needed for a guild to work

lets see what you got hb

dont mean i aint pvping you

[freez]

I guess have fun, bet serious kicks to be had from killing 52's with Golden Fire wedding rings. Doing exactly what you say Nihilum does...when in turn, you just push people their way.

i could log in and grief people like you who think azreal is just a bunch of griefers, and push you into nihi.


then i could app nihi with you.



since rep doesnt mean A THING on this server, i guess i can just do whatever i want and just be pals with everyone.


oh boy what fun

[freez]

Lite, you are confused young mexican.

hahahaa

[Andis]

freez where u at dog

come bak damn

[Andis]

people also lost sight of who the true *****s were


let the music soothe you

[Andis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI

my *****

[Retti_]

TTTRRRIPPPLLELEEEEE

[freez]

I think Wuoshi might be available in Velious, you guys shud give him a shot

if they fix endurance u best believe woushi wont be up

[Delta]

i could log in and grief people like you who think azreal is just a bunch of griefers, and push you into nihi.


then i could app nihi with you.



since rep doesnt mean A THING on this server, i guess i can just do whatever i want and just be pals with everyone.


oh boy what fun
I dont actually think that, I have had some good interactions with Azrael. But the small minority that dispells mobs while im exping as a low lvl solo cleric..Ill take option 3.

[iiNGloriouS]

freez where u at dog

come bak damn

I know, I miss my Freez too, never got to repay him for helping me out so much.

Hes a true ***** and OG.

[Mingo]

I dont actually think that, I have had some good interactions with Azrael. But the small minority that dispells mobs while im exping as a low lvl solo cleric..Ill take option 3.

Gaffin's new cleric identity t/f?

[heartbrand]

What makes you say that?

[HippoNipple]

who is this person and where is the real heartbrand? what has happened to him in the past 2 weeks? jesus

He took off his emperor hat, left Nihilum, and put on his political hat. This mofo can politic.

[Rallyd]

When it comes down to it the reasoning was as follows. Nihilum was putting the pressure on about us being buddy buddy with azrael, we were reaching a point where it was going to be either align with azrael and become KoS to nilly or dissociate ourselves from azrael and gain neutrality, relatively speaking for the time being with nihilum. I was debating which way to go over the last week. My interactions with lite were not positive such as them purposely shutting us out of naggy so they could get more loot etc., and then this.

When lite responded the way he did I saw the writing on the wall combined with some of their retarded players like sickpuppy. Even when we eclipsed them, which we would since they don't recruit nor focus on progression to attract people, that lite would want to call all the shots. Anyone who has dealt with lite knows that he can't be reasoned with. He would want us all in his teamspeak, making the calls, and shouting in his schitzo way at my members. When he would call for VS and I would say hey lets discuss it he would ignore me. Meanwhile his members would continue to kill mine on alts, loot would be funneled to azrael core (aka lite boxes) etc.

I decided the best option is to let azrael die, completely disassociate from it. Draw the line in the sand. If you don't care about progression, think killing level 52's is the pinnacle of Everquest, enjoy dictatorships and poor leadership where you have no input, crying on the forums rather than recruiting and change, then yes, the azrael tag is for you. For everyone else who wants to progress together and is not interested in doing so via nihilum, red dawn is the guild for you.

This doesn't mean we have "allied" with nihilum, far from it, but we realize that we can compete in a civil manner, and not be toxic and what not like azrael desires. I never understood why people can't fight over some dragons and then group up during the day for a fungi group or exp or schmooze. I hope to bring that level of civility.

+1.

[Fame]

Red dawn fun as F U C K...

[Rallyd]

http://hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/farm-workers.jpg?w=500&h=335

Lite needs to go home.