Attention All Item Loot Fans

[Potus]

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The server will die before anyone loots a fungi tunic. You'll never loot it.

Item loot isn't pro-pvp. It's pro-bluebie. You want items without risking anything. You're the bluebie. Everquest is about risk vs. reward. There's no risk involved in you and 2 other naked casters ganging up on a melee for his weapon.

Your server will be nothing but casters. It will fail. Item loot is a bad idea, please stop trying to bring it back.

[Aenor]

Mad.

[Vexenu]

Truth.

[Potus]

Mad.

Can't argue any of the points.

[Dullah]

Looted them on live.

Cant wait for item loot, so good.

[Potus]

http://i.imgur.com/4C4D2bt.png
Looted them on live. I know from experience, dude, if you know what I mean.

No you didn't.

http://i.imgur.com/NzK9gB8.png
No, not me personally, but a guy I know. HE. LOOTED. ONE. WOOWEEEE

No he didn't.

http://i.imgur.com/ghuZuNv.png
No, no, no, he didn't. But you could imagine what it'd be like if he did, right? Huh, huh, huh, huh? HAHAHA!

[Bazia]

^

Best post of 2013

[Vexenu]

^ Seconded

[Dullah]

No you didn't.



No he didn't.


Just because you were bad, doesn't mean the rest of us were.

[Greegon]

lol scrub

[Colgate]

but you ARE bad ender

anyone who watched that plane of hate pvp video can easily see that

[Smedy]

Ender thinks hes a bad man because he joined one of the biggest zergs at the beginning of the server <Uprising> to protect him, then as soon as possible he jumped ship to Nihilum (this was like February after the server was already ruined by Rogean banning Holocaust). He talks like he was there during December/early January, but he was still level 35 in South Karana asking for permission to kite 4 mobs. Grats on leveling up 6 characters to max when the population was on average 40 players (how many Nihilum?), I'm sure that took a little bit more than skill ... I think the correct word would be Psychosis. What type of freak would actually do that?

I'm sure we'll see the true extent of Ender's spell gem clicking and mouse turning skills as he's put into the dirt over and over again without any protection, that is if he even levels fast enough to be worth a damn and given his past try on Red99 I'd wager against.

OUCH

[Reguiy]

http://i.imgur.com/4C4D2bt.png


No you didn't.

http://i.imgur.com/NzK9gB8.png


No he didn't.

http://i.imgur.com/ghuZuNv.png


bAHAHAHA. That's funny right there.

But in all seriousness, GMs have said the biggest problem with keeping players on r99 is griefing. Item loot brings griefing to a whole new level. I highly doubt it will ever be implemented.

[Rellapse35]

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[HippoNipple]

bAHAHAHA. That's funny right there.

But in all seriousness, GMs have said the biggest problem with keeping players on r99 is griefing. Item loot brings griefing to a whole new level. I highly doubt it will ever be implemented.

GMs are one of the worst sources for what keeps players on red99. They would be the worst if it wasn't for the stupidity of the player base on here. GMs just use reason and guess at what the problem is from a perspective of an outsider looking in.

[thugcruncher]

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[dogbarf]

Item loot isn't pro-pvp. It's pro-bluebie. You want items without risking anything. You're the bluebie. Everquest is about risk vs. reward. There's no risk involved in you and 2 other naked casters ganging up on a melee for his weapon.

Your server will be nothing but casters. It will fail. Item loot is a bad idea, please stop trying to bring it back.

Is this bait? No one can be this fucking stupid. Itemloot adds risk it doesn't take it away. Look at your own shitty example:

"There's no risk involved in you and 2 other naked casters ganging up on a melee for his weapon."

You risk your gear to have a better chance of winning in pvp and in pve. Do naked casters have less risk? Yep, they also die fast as fuck. Is there more risk/reward here with no item loot? No, theres no fucking risk at all for either party. In a game 100% based around getting gear do you honestly think people wont play melees or use any gear?

You want consequence-less deathmatch pvp go play a game that takes even a tiny bit of skill like counterstrike or quake. Otherwise you should check out WoW, they have battlegrounds where you can pvp all day and don't have to worry about risking your precious pixels.

[HippoNipple]

well said considering rallos was 95% casters wearing cloth

Just like red99 was when it first opened. You must have been griefed off RZ early.

[Retti_]

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[Potus]

You risk your gear to have a better chance of winning in pvp and in pve. Do naked casters have less risk? Yep, they also die fast as fuck. Is there more risk/reward here with no item loot? No, theres no fucking risk at all for either party. In a game 100% based around getting gear do you honestly think people wont play melees or use any gear?

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items. They were endemic on all item loot pvp servers.

And yes, no one will play a melee. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.

Here is what your pvp will look like: all melees will stand still bagging their gear in panic while getting nuked and blinded by a group of naked casters.

That is your glorious pvp server right there. Then after a month, and all melees are off the server or have rerolled casters, your population will be next to nothing. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.

[Eslade]

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[Swish]

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[big mouth chew]

WHAT ITEMS WILL YOU EVEN HAVE?

this

[dogbarf]

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items. They were endemic on all item loot pvp servers.

So the solution for some naked casters risking nothing is for everyone to risk nothing? Naked casters are pretty hard to kill bro so I can understand why this would be such a huge concern.

And yes, no one will play a melee. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.
LOL.

Your population will be next to nothing. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.

Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)

Sounds like you want the exact same server we have right now, but with the Server rules dictating who you can and cannot attack(Hurr teams). Maybe you could just play red99 and roleplay and not kill short races or something? Or even better check out this game:
http://us.battle.net/en/int?r=wow

Super High Pop, no scary naked casters, and all the meaningless pvp you could ever want.

[Potus]

So the solution for some naked casters risking nothing is for everyone to risk nothing? Naked casters are pretty hard to kill bro so I can understand why this would be such a huge concern.


Hah you think there's no risk in regular pvp. I guess you enjoy medding to full, corpse runs, and being camped. I mean there's no penalty for dying right now, it's why no one ever gates, plugs, or fights back. Dying is fun. :rolleyes:


Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)

Uhh no it didn't. Vallon and Tallon both had way more people that Rallos. Pretty sure you never played EQ before 2001, so I now understand why you're pro-item loot.

[dogbarf]

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items.
Hah you think there's no risk in regular pvp. I guess you enjoy medding to full, corpse runs, and being camped. I mean there's no penalty for dying right now, it's why no one ever gates, plugs, or fights back. Dying is fun. :rolleyes:

Are you seriously this stupid? You can't even keep your stance straight for two back to back posts? You should probably stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. #rekt

Uhh no it didn't. Vallon and Tallon both had way more people that Rallos. Pretty sure you never played EQ before 2001, so I now understand why you're pro-item loot.

100% bullshit.

[Vexenu]

I don't think these RZ guys appreciate the different dynamic between a Teams and an FFA server. Under FFA rules, item loot makes more sense because it actually gives you a reason for killing random people. On a teams server, you don't need a reason. You kill people on the enemy team because they are your enemy, period. You PvP because you are competing over spawns, zone control and dungeon access. And just for fun.

So fucking sick of hearing the argument that item loot encourages PvP because it gives people a reason to fight. Complete bullshit. It does the opposite. It might incentivize these rabid PKs to gank people, but most people will respond to item loot by minimizing their exposure to PvP as much as possible - either by not playing on the server at all, running away/bagging instantly, or rolling with a zerg for protection.

The most important thing is encouraging a high population and balanced teams. If those two conditions are met then there will be plenty of meaningful PvP. Item loot does nothing to encourage either, and a lot to reduce population. It's literally the single worst idea possible for this server, unless the goal is to have Teams fail harder than Red (which, not coincidentally, is exactly what a lot of item loot proponents want to see).

[Potus]

Are you seriously this stupid? You can't even keep your stance straight for two back to back posts? You should probably stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. #rekt

Oh sweet taking two quotes about different server rulesets out of context. If you can't see the difference in risk v. reward on a regular pvp server and an item loot server then you're clearly a noob.


100% bullshit.

http://i.imgur.com/P6537Rb.png
Server pop list from 2001. (https://web.archive.org/web/20010331223325/http://everquest.com/)

You probably shouldn't be telling people to stop posting. :D

[dogbarf]

Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)




You probably shouldn't be telling people to stop posting. :D

Its like you can't even read. I mention the bazaar and pre-zek merge population and you post a picture from 2001. The funny thing is the picture you post contradicts everything you say about item loot killing population. In your chosen snapshot we see rallos with 27 less players than Vallon. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. ITEM LOOT IS KILLED THE POP. I bet those 1677 players are all naked wizards. LOL.

[Potus]

Its like you can't even read. I mention the bazaar and pre-zek merge population and you post a picture from 2001. The funny thing is the picture you post contradicts everything you say about item loot killing population. In your chosen snapshot we see rallos with 27 less players than Vallon. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. ITEM LOOT IS KILLED THE POP. I bet those 1677 players are all naked wizards. LOL.

Look at that backpeddle. That pic is pre-merge, so your attempt to flip flop failed. You mention the bazaar because you never played during item loot and don't know what you're talking about.

Also 3524 is more than 1677. When Tallon launched so many people joined it Verant had to take it down and open Vallon a week later. Both servers kept crashing for a month from overpopulation while Rallos bled players. When Sullon opened the population on Rallos dropped even more.

Stop posting.

[Danger]

VZ>TZ>SZ>RZ

[dogbarf]

Look at that backpeddle. That pic is pre-merge, so your attempt to flip flop failed.

Nah dawg this is what backpeddle looks like:

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items.
Hah you think there's no risk in regular pvp. I guess you enjoy medding to full, corpse runs, and being camped. I mean there's no penalty for dying right now, it's why no one ever gates, plugs, or fights back. Dying is fun. :rolleyes:

I didn't twist any words. You really are just that stupid.

When Tallon launched so many people joined it Verant had to take it down and open Vallon a week later. Both servers kept crashing for a month from overpopulation.

What did Tallon and Vallon Zek have at launch? Oh thats fucking right, Item loot.
If anything you should keep posting you are making some great points on why item loot will work.

[Vexenu]

These people are going to look for the quickest zerg to join, camp away from fights, and minimize their exposure to PVP as much as possible anyway. I'd wager you're in this camp of players. Without item loot + removing all no drop tags there is no other method I've seen to put a check on zergs. Maybe a PVP server just isn't for u dog.

Or maybe you're just an RZ ganker who has no interest in promoting a successful teams server. Sounds like you just want to run around for a few months rooting and nuking undergeared melees to death until the server inevitably dies. Wizard or Druid? What flavor cheese do you prefer your PvP? Tell me, how many emu servers have you replayed that exact scenario on? Sorry, but the RZ glory days aren't coming back, Al Bundy. Maybe time to move on?

As for your wager: you lose. And if I told you just how sorely mistaken you are, you wouldn't believe me. But really, that's neither here nor there. Even the biggest bluebie could tell you that item loot is a godawful idea for Teams.

[Rheon]

What did Tallon and Vallon Zek have at launch? Oh thats fucking right, Item loot.
If anything you should keep posting you are making some great points on why item loot will work.

Hey! new player here on red99 and loving it so far! Just a FYI, i played on RZ from release and there was always Item loot from day 1 on RZ but!..the 1 major change made early on was that players could no longer loot weapons from their defeated opponents, only 1 tradable item and any coin the person had on them. A weapon could only be looted from a person if he/she was disarmed and it fell into an open slot in their inventory in a situation where a player wasn't carrying a full set of bags.

Another problem was that when players hit the level cap they quite often had a full set of NO DROP items and armor which made it pointless killing them if you were only doing it to gank someone for loot drops. Most PvP battles were the result of wars between guilds or fighting over rare spawns or raid boss spawns which made for a very competitive server.

Most players simply learned to bag their items that were dropable if they were in danger of being defeated by another player. Red99 server is very close to how things were on RZ back in the day minus the no item loot rule set for PvP.

[Potus]

Nah dawg this is what backpeddle looks like:

I didn't twist any words. You really are just that stupid.


Aww poor baby has to keep posting the same quotes taken out of context because his argument is bad. A bloo bloo. Q.Q


What did Tallon and Vallon Zek have at launch? Oh thats fucking right, Item loot.
If anything you should keep posting you are making some great points on why item loot will work.

And guess what happened? Tallon took item loot off, and tons of people moved there. Then Vallon took item loot off and it stopped hemorrhaging players. You'd know this if you actually played the game. Verant realized item loot was shit and imbalanced and not right in a game like EQ and took it off. Notice they didn't put item loot on Sullon Zek.

Fact remains you can't argue that item loot is super imbalanced toward casters, that melees don't want to play item loot servers, and that it was deeply unpopular and taken off all the EQ PvP servers for a reason. But please, please, please, keep posting!

[Leftoverture]

you seem mad

[Potus]

Who me? I'm giggling like a sissy over here.

[dogbarf]

Or maybe you're just an RZ ganker who has no interest in promoting a successful teams server. Sounds like you just want to run around for a few months rooting and nuking undergeared melees to death until the server inevitably dies. Wizard or Druid? What flavor cheese do you prefer your PvP? Tell me, how many emu servers have you replayed that exact scenario on? Sorry, but the RZ glory days aren't coming back, Al Bundy. Maybe time to move on?

As for your wager: you lose. And if I told you just how sorely mistaken you are, you wouldn't believe me. But really, that's neither here nor there. Even the biggest bluebie could tell you that item loot is a godawful idea for Teams.

Or maybe you're just an SZ ganker who has no interest in promoting a successful teams server. Sounds like you just want to run around for a few months kicking and backstabing undergeared casters to death until the server inevitably dies. Rogue or Monk? What flavor twink do you prefer in pvp? Tell me, how many emu servers have you replayed that exact scenario on? Sorry, but the SZ glory days aren't coming back, Al Bundy. Maybe time to move on?

As for your wager: you lose. And if I told you just how sorely mistaken you are, you wouldn't believe me. But really, that's neither here nor there. Even the biggest fucking retard could tell you that Releasing the Same exact server with nothing changed but hardcoded teams is a good awful idea.

[Agatha]

the item loot cabal is attacking u from all angles potus stray strong.

[Potus]

The itemlooters sit in their temple, but I will cleanse it.

http://i.imgur.com/CwS5Ja6.jpg

[Pudge]

I don't think these RZ guys appreciate the different dynamic between a Teams and an FFA server. Under FFA rules, item loot makes more sense because it actually gives you a reason for killing random people. On a teams server, you don't need a reason. You kill people on the enemy team because they are your enemy, period. You PvP because you are competing over spawns, zone control and dungeon access. And just for fun.

So fucking sick of hearing the argument that item loot encourages PvP because it gives people a reason to fight. Complete bullshit. It does the opposite. It might incentivize these rabid PKs to gank people, but most people will respond to item loot by minimizing their exposure to PvP as much as possible - either by not playing on the server at all, running away/bagging instantly, or rolling with a zerg for protection.

The most important thing is encouraging a high population and balanced teams. If those two conditions are met then there will be plenty of meaningful PvP. Item loot does nothing to encourage either, and a lot to reduce population. It's literally the single worst idea possible for this server, unless the goal is to have Teams fail harder than Red (which, not coincidentally, is exactly what a lot of item loot proponents want to see).

GMs please monitor this guy's posts. Probably the most accurate and well though out T99 suggestions.

Also, consider this: all the "ITAM LEWTz!" ppl are going to play the server regardless. But there are HUNDREDS of ppl who WILL NOT PLAY if item loot is enabled.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Should be able to loot scribed spells.

;)

[Dullah]

Can't wait for item loot!

Your pixels are mine.

[Nizzarr]

Item loot to the top, we need it bad!

[Sektor]

Item loot to the top, we need it bad!

lolz