The Fraud of Evolution Exposed

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/VcUBzlT.jpg

[runlvlzero]

apes are not that stupid they are just as trainable as humans. They are not nearly as creative as us. So your argument isn't invalidated by that...

But the "banana" bubble is dumb.

There was a study were apes were given money. And in order to eat, they had to acquire money. They would steel money, and prostitute themselves for money. They formed an economy.

[Penish]

People were made from magic and clay.. duh.

[Csihar]

Suck their own dick.

[Samoht]

evidence of creation: if a benevolent creator actually existed, then we all live in hell.

[mgellan]

Humans didn't evolve from apes, we both evolved from a common ancestor. So comparing a human with a chimp is meaningless. But, of course, Creationists aren't interested in actually understanding something if they can dismiss it with a "clever" picture.

Aren't you a little old to have an invisible friend tho?

Regards,
Mg

[JayN]

JESUS, please donate or burn in hell. Have a great day! :D

[mgellan]

Actually I always thought my name was Jesus Christ when I was a kid. My Dad would say things like "JESUS CHRIST will you clean up your room!" and "JESUS CHRIST flush the damned toilet!" My brothers name was Dammit.

Regards,
Mg

(Apologies to Bill Cosby)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

God created the world, and created human beings with high potential intelligence.

Additionally, he made the world so that the more we learn about it, the more preposterous the myths about some Deity from a Bronze Age tribe appear.

Then, when we die, he will send us all to hell for not believing in him even though it was the intelligence he gave us, and the evidential nature of the world, that led us to disbelief.

Why would God do this? Because God is the Supreme Troll.

[Ahldagor]

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/animals/mammals-animals/apes/chimp_spear/

[Hasbinbad]

Crows are hella smarter than chimps tho. If we succeed in killing all human, crows will take over for sure.

[Ahldagor]

my money is on squids

[Samoht]

my money is on squids

yeah because cephalopods confined to the ocean have soooo much potential

[Samoht]

except for cthulu. nevermind, i yield to our cephalopod overlords

[Sajan]

my money is on squids

http://soundcrank.com/images/albums/300036000/300036919_l_0.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

sure, everything is funny until you have to be serious and say its a total crock

[Systolic]

Which is the whole basis of the Gnostic religion that the early Christians wiped out. We're in Hell now, and we must enlighten ourselves to ascend to Heaven. But we couldn't have that happy, communist, socialist pussy bullshit, could we? We gotta scare people into doing what they're told, and behaving like good little productive sheep. Where's Illuzionz to chime in on what's in like to live in complete fear?

Gnosticism isn't dead

Albert Pike brah

[r00t]

apes are not that stupid they are just as trainable as humans. They are not nearly as creative as us. So your argument isn't invalidated by that...

But the "banana" bubble is dumb.

There was a study were apes were given money. And in order to eat, they had to acquire money. They would steel money, and prostitute themselves for money. They formed an economy.

apes prostituting themselves for bananas is not an economy i m o

[Kagatob]

Prostitution is the oldest occupation.

[moklianne]

And actually we didn't come from anything that looks like a modern ape. We came from a common ancestor to the lemur.

[Illuzionz]

Humans didn't evolve from apes, we both evolved from a common ancestor. So comparing a human with a chimp is meaningless. But, of course, Creationists aren't interested in actually understanding something if they can dismiss it with a "clever" picture.

Aren't you a little old to have an invisible friend tho?

Regards,
Mg

Lol dude, you're so delusional it is ridiculous. Please, tell me, which common ancestor did we evolve from? Nobody fucking knows. Why? Because it never fucking happened and you have to have down syndrome to think it did. First of all, why the fuck would one species diverge into two completely separate species, one of which is completely superior in every way imaginable to the other. That alone makes absolutely no sense.

I love how you speak of evolving from a common ancestor as fact like retard atheists tend to do A LOT when in reality, it's never been proven and nobody knows who or what this supposed common ancestor even is. Hence why the fuck it's called the missing link retard. But please go on and tell me how evolution is a proven fact lol. Wanna know what are proven facts? The law of biogenesis and Cell Theory. Never once has an experiment or study been conducted which has in anyway disproved either of these scientific facts and guess what, both of them disprove the possibility of evolution. There are no missing links with these scientific facts.

[theaetatus]

Wow, the stupid really is strong in this one. I don't have enough time to explain just how much you misunderstand science. ;)

[Joseppi]

People are people

Monkeys are monkeys

Two different things

[Illuzionz]

I don't misunderstand science at all. You just have completely full blown down syndrome and think you understand it. Nobody has ever seen evolution occur and it cannot be reproduced in a lab. Not to mention it violates multiple established scientific facts such as the law of biogenesis, cell theory, the laws of thermodynamics and more!

[Joseppi]

I don't misunderstand science at all. You just have completely full blown down syndrome and think you understand it. Nobody has ever seen evolution occur and it cannot be reproduced in a lab. Not to mention it violates multiple established scientific facts such as the law of biogenesis, cell theory, the laws of thermodynamics and more!

[radditsu]

genetics.

[Alarti0001]

Not to mention it violates multiple established scientific facts such as the law of biogenesis, cell theory, the laws of thermodynamics and more!

How? LOL

[Illuzionz]

How? LOL

LOLLL!!!! Well let me tell you LOL!! HAHA LOL!!

First of all, the law of entropy means that everything is in a constant state of decay. It's impossible for molecules to become increasingly complex over time because the law of entropy states that all things do the exact opposite. For instance, the sun is giving off heat and will eventually burn out and die. It is in a constant state of entropy and will continue until it dies, never regaining any of the energy it lost. Matter inherently decays and breaks down over time. It does not randomly form itself into more and more complex things over time which is exactly what evolutionists argue despite the fact that this is literally impossible.

Then we have cell theory and the law of biogenesis both of which state that all cells must come from previously existing cells and that all life forms can only produce or come from their own kind. I/e Bacteria will ALWAYS produce more bacteria and can ONLY produce more bacteria. The same has been tested and proven so much to the point that it is an established scientific law. So if cells can only come from pre-existing cells and at one point there were no cells then it is impossible that cells can form naturally which is the exact opposite of what evolutionists claim.

Scientific theories are designed to be an extension of scientific laws and all theories are based off of laws as they are designed to explain the characteristics of these laws. For instance, cell theory and germ theory are an appendage of the law of biogenesis. Relativity is an appendage of Newton's laws of motion. Please tell me which law the theory of evolution is an appendage of? There is none because it contradicts several of them. You cannot have a theory that contradicts a scientific law which is exactly what evolution does but they say "well don't worry we'll find the missing link eventually, it's just a matter of time!". So literally all of evolution hinges on the hope and assumption that eventually the missing link will be found.

In other words, evolution is pseudo-science by definition.

[Orruar]

I don't misunderstand science at all. You just have completely full blown down syndrome and think you understand it. Nobody has ever seen evolution occur and it cannot be reproduced in a lab. Not to mention it violates multiple established scientific facts such as the law of biogenesis, cell theory, the laws of thermodynamics and more!

So by your logic, since nobody has ever seen Earth's tectonic plates move more than a few feet, so clearly it doesn't happen. Very slow processes by their very nature would not be observed in the last few hundred/thousand years of human observation.

Regardless, there are literally thousands of cases of observed adaptation in both plants and animals. I mean, do you eat or are you aware of this thing called corn? Ever seen a cat or a dog?

[Alarti0001]

LOLLL!!!! Well let me tell you LOL!! HAHA LOL!!

First of all, the law of entropy means that everything is in a constant state of decay. It's impossible for molecules to become increasingly complex over time because the law of entropy states that all things do the exact opposite. For instance, the sun is giving off heat and will eventually burn out and die. It is in a constant state of entropy and will continue until it dies, never regaining any of the energy it lost. Matter inherently decays and breaks down over time. It does not randomly form itself into more and more complex things over time which is exactly what evolutionists argue despite the fact that this is literally impossible.

Then we have cell theory and the law of biogenesis both of which state that all cells must come from previously existing cells and that all life forms can only produce or come from their own kind. I/e Bacteria will ALWAYS produce more bacteria and can ONLY produce more bacteria. The same has been tested and proven so much to the point that it is an established scientific law. So if cells can only come from pre-existing cells and at one point there were no cells then it is impossible that cells can form naturally which is the exact opposite of what evolutionists claim.

Scientific theories are designed to be an extension of scientific laws and all theories are based off of laws as they are designed to explain the characteristics of these laws. For instance, cell theory and germ theory are an appendage of the law of biogenesis. Relativity is an appendage of Newton's laws of motion. Please tell me which law the theory of evolution is an appendage of? There is none because it contradicts several of them. You cannot have a theory that contradicts a scientific law which is exactly what evolution does but they say "well don't worry we'll find the missing link eventually, it's just a matter of time!". So literally all of evolution hinges on the hope and assumption that eventually the missing link will be found.

In other words, evolution is pseudo-science by definition.


Your understand of science is pseudo. The problem with people like you is you dabble a little in science and try to twist words to mean what you want them to.

You are also a bit confused as to what constitutes a law or a theory.
Theories can be completely independent of a law. They also act in different ways.

[Illuzionz]

So by your logic, since nobody has ever seen Earth's tectonic plates move more than a few feet, so clearly it doesn't happen. Very slow processes by their very nature would not be observed in the last few hundred/thousand years of human observation.

Regardless, there are literally thousands of cases of observed adaptation in both plants and animals. I mean, do you eat or are you aware of this thing called corn? Ever seen a cat or a dog?

Um no. What you said doesn't even make much sense. If we can see the tectonic plates moving, how can anyone say it doesn't happen? That's a bad analogy against my point. Just because a process is slow doesn't mean it can't be observed. However not once has anyone observed anything even remotely close to one species becoming another entirely or even beginning to show the signs of becoming another species entirely. With the billions of different life forms alive today you would think there would be COUNTLESS examples of this but there isn't.

Adaptation is the only part of evolution that is true. Sure things can adapt but there is a literal barrier within the genetic code itself that makes it impossible for any single life form to change beyond a certain degree. This is known as genetic homeostasis. Showing how bacteria becomes resistant to antiobiotics does not in anyway shape or form mean that the same bacteria will eventually become another type of organism entirely. This is what has NEVER been observed, reproduced or been seen to occur in anyway shape or form.

Where are the fossils and evidence of transitional forms? There are literally billions of life forms on the planet so there should be so much evidence, evolutionists wouldn't even know what to do with it all. There isn't a single example of all of existence showing one type of species becoming another.

[Alarti0001]

Um no. What you said doesn't even make much sense.

He prefaced his statement with "By your logic". He captured your logic accurately so the fact what he said doesn't make sense is really your failing.

[Illuzionz]

Your understand of science is pseudo.

And your understand of English is completely retarded.

[Illuzionz]

He prefaced his statement with "By your logic". He captured your logic accurately so the fact what he said doesn't make sense is really your failing.

No, his analogy had no resemblance to my logic, hence why it doesn't make sense.

[Alarti0001]

And your understand of English is completely retarded.

Quoting that so you can laugh at yourself

[Alarti0001]

No, his analogy had no resemblance to my logic, hence why it doesn't make sense.

Your post had no resemblance to logic.

[OMGWTF420]

lol @ the nerds who believe in imaginary cloud men and bronze age mythology. good job at being completely fucking retarded

[Orruar]

Um no. What you said doesn't even make much sense. If we can see the tectonic plates moving, how can anyone say it doesn't happen? That's a bad analogy against my point. Just because a process is slow doesn't mean it can't be observed. However not once has anyone observed anything even remotely close to one species becoming another entirely or even beginning to show the signs of becoming another species entirely. With the billions of different life forms alive today you would think there would be COUNTLESS examples of this but there isn't.

Adaptation is the only part of evolution that is true. Sure things can adapt but there is a literal barrier within the genetic code itself that makes it impossible for any single life form to change beyond a certain degree. This is known as genetic homeostasis. Showing how bacteria becomes resistant to antiobiotics does not in anyway shape or form mean that the same bacteria will eventually become another type of organism entirely. This is what has NEVER been observed, reproduced or been seen to occur in anyway shape or form.

Where are the fossils and evidence of transitional forms? There are literally billions of life forms on the planet so there should be so much evidence, evolutionists wouldn't even know what to do with it all. There isn't a single example of all of existence showing one type of species becoming another.

You do realize that evolution is simply a very long process of small changes, right? It's not like a monkey gives birth to a human being or something, which you seem to think. And we have witnessed many of these small changes which eventually lead to a much larger change. I mean, you do realize that scottish terriers are descended from wolves, right?

And my example of plate tectonics is exactly right for this case. We witness small changes (earthquakes that move plates a few feet, individual adaptations in animals) and infer long-term consequences of those changes (large scale plate movement and evolution).

[Illuzionz]

I mean, you do realize that scottish terriers are descended from wolves, right?

Actually no they aren't. Dogs are descended from wild dogs. If evolution were true, animals of all kinds would be able to interbreed but the reality is only extremely alike creatures can breed and even then most of them won't produce fertile off spring. This seems extremely contradictory to evolution since you would think it would be all about the intermingling of different species.

Aside from that, there's also the fact of symbiotic relationships in nature. Bee's are the greatest example for sure since many plants cannot even exist if bee's did not exist to pollinate them and the bee's couldn't exist if there weren't flowers for them to pollinate. So how could one have ever existed without the other? It's a literal impossibility. They both had to have existed at the same exact moment and the same exact place. Literally impossible. Not with God though, with him nothing is impossible.

[Orruar]

[QUOTE=Illuzionz;1187708If evolution were true, animals of all kinds would be able to interbreed but the reality is only extremely alike creatures can breed and even then most of them won't produce fertile off spring. This seems extremely contradictory to evolution since you would think it would be all about the intermingling of different species.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to hear the logic behind this theory of yours. Actually, I wouldn't. I prefer to have hope in humanity. So I'll just concede to you that some magical man in the sky created the earth and everything on it about 6000 years ago. You're totally right.

[Alarti0001]

Actually no they aren't.

Prove this :)

[Alarti0001]

Actually no they aren't. Dogs are descended from wild dogs.

Prove this even~

[Illuzionz]

Prove this even~

The burden of proof isn't on me. The burden of proof is on the retard suggesting that https://www.google.com/search?q=wolf&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=gmyGUpW0JI7IsASinYG4DQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1286&bih=743#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=pcQFMe-cmKLWyM%3A%3Bw-DdzT-akBKwpM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fjon-atkinson.com%252FLarge%252520Images%2525201%252FGr ey%252520Wolf%2525203.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fjon-atkinson.com%252FCanada_Wildlife.html%3B750%3B542 turned into https://www.google.com/search?q=scottish+terrier&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=22yGUtHbKJOgsASykoH4BQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1286&bih=743#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=3pvMh2i7pGTfwM%3A%3BXKeg4U93olwQbM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252Fwww.hdwallpapersinn.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F10%252FScottish-Terrier1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hdwallpapers inn.com%252Fscottish-terrier-pictures.html%3B1024%3B768

[Daldolma]

illuzionz trying to deliver y'all from neckbearded evil

[Illuzionz]

I'd love to hear the logic behind this theory of yours. Actually, I wouldn't. I prefer to have hope in humanity. So I'll just concede to you that some magical man in the sky created the earth and everything on it about 6000 years ago. You're totally right.

It's not a theory, it's a fact. Also, only idiots think the world is 6,000 years old. More idiotic assumptions from idiotic atheists. Herp derp, ultra complex organisms can just create themselves from inanimate matter! Ya, that seems logical! Hey guys, the car I drive just built itself. Tornado went through a scrap yard and out came a brand new car! Just give it enough time and it will eventually happen, herp derp! Cuz time can apparently make impossible things occur! Makes total sense!

God isn't some magic man in the sky but it's hilarious that every retarded atheist seems to think that's what he is. Like he's just some dude walking in the sky looking down on you. Actually God lives inside of you. The only reason you're even alive right now is because a fragment of God's spirit, known as your soul, lives inside of you. God is within, not without.

[Lune]

Herp derp, ultra complex organisms can just create themselves from inanimate matter! Ya, that seems logical!

The only reason you're even alive right now is because a fragment of God's spirit, known as your soul, lives inside of you. God is within, not without.

You're right, the second part is way more logical. It doesn't even take a nuanced understanding of the principles of science and physics to understand! That makes it correct, right?

[r00t]

we're the only species to do anything notable besides eat, sleep, and shit

[Illuzionz]

we're the only species to do anything notable besides eat, sleep, and shit

That's because we were created in God's image and given dominion of the Earth. This is also why we are the only creature capable of unraveling the mysteries of the Universe and can understand the Universal language with which it was built. Math. Why then, if evolution is true, is no other creature on Earth evolving to our level of understanding? There is no creature even remotely close to what we are capable of. If evolution is such a slow gradual process, why the unbelievably drastic leap between humans and everything else?

[Alarti0001]

The only reason you're even alive right now is because a fragment of God's spirit, known as your soul, lives inside of you. God is within, not without.

Prove this. You are making a claim... so prove it.

[Lune]

That's because we were created in God's image and given dominion of the Earth. This is also why we are the only creature capable of unraveling the mysteries of the Universe and can understand the Universal language with which it was built. Math. Why then, if evolution is true, is no other creature on Earth evolving to our level of understanding? There is no creature even remotely close to what we are capable of. If evolution is such a slow gradual process, why the unbelievably drastic leap between humans and everything else?

These retarded questions indicate a severe deficit in your understanding of biology and evolution. Educate yourself before you ask people to waste their time answering your dipshit questions.

Conceptually, it's all very simple: If you refuse to believe life or the universe could not arise by itself, and choose instead to believe it was the work of a creator, you must ask yourself: Then who created the creator?

If your answer is: The creator created himself, or that he always existed, then why not skip a step and say the universe created itself, or the universe always existed?

Are they not equally absurd, or equally sensible? How can you try to use one to discredit the other?

The meaningful difference is, people don't generally make claims about a non-creator origin of the universe without evidence, and they are willing to rethink their theories in light of new evidence.

All you've got supporting your claim is a legacy of dipshit mythology, poor logic, and a criminal misunderstanding of the scientific method.

[SanityRevoked]

First of all, the law of entropy means that everything is in a constant state of decay. It's impossible for molecules to become increasingly complex over time because the law of entropy states that all things do the exact opposite. For instance, the sun is giving off heat and will eventually burn out and die. It is in a constant state of entropy and will continue until it dies, never regaining any of the energy it lost. Matter inherently decays and breaks down over time. It does not randomly form itself into more and more complex things over time which is exactly what evolutionists argue despite the fact that this is literally impossible.


The sun is giving off heat/energy/light due to the process of fusion.
Meaning the Sun is creating increasingly complex molecules over time.

Yes, the universe is headed for disorder. That doesn't mean you can't create order within it.

Thermodynamics and Entropy are usually used to describe steam engines, or perpetual motion machines, I don't see how it is relevant.

Useful links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-similarity (complex? or extremely simple)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens (visible example of time elapsed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphogenesis

[mgellan]

Lol dude, you're so delusional it is ridiculous. Please, tell me, which common ancestor did we evolve from? Nobody fucking knows. Why? Because it never fucking happened and you have to have down syndrome to think it did. First of all, why the fuck would one species diverge into two completely separate species, one of which is completely superior in every way imaginable to the other. That alone makes absolutely no sense.

Sorry, even people with Downs can probably muster the brains to google "Human Ape Common Ancestor" and have the reading comprehension to understand what the results mean? It never happened because... you say so? The Bible says so? Your preacher says so? I don't accept any of those as authorities for shit, sorry.

I love how you speak of evolving from a common ancestor as fact like retard atheists tend to do A LOT when in reality, it's never been proven and nobody knows who or what this supposed common ancestor even is.

Ardipithecus kadabba, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, and Orrorin tugenensis are three leading candidates as they are of the right age as determined by genetics, and have the right morphology. We may never know exactly but thats ok, science isn't about claiming to know absolute truths, unlike religion.

Hence why the fuck it's called the missing link retard.

The only people who use that term are ignorant fools still working off a Duane Gish slide deck from 1950 thats been debunked repeatedly for decades.

But please go on and tell me how evolution is a proven fact lol.

It is a proven fact, and has been observed in the laboratory. Most Creationists even accept it (macroevolution.) The mechanism behind it is what scientists debate, not the fact of the observations.

Wanna know what are proven facts? The law of biogenesis and Cell Theory. Never once has an experiment or study been conducted which has in anyway disproved either of these scientific facts and guess what, both of them disprove the possibility of evolution. There are no missing links with these scientific facts.

They don't disprove evolution at all. You are confusing evolution with abiogenesis, a common thing with bat shit crazy Creationist dumfucks. Do some research and not in the Watchtower either, dipshit.

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

I don't misunderstand science at all. You just have completely full blown down syndrome and think you understand it. Nobody has ever seen evolution occur and it cannot be reproduced in a lab. Not to mention it violates multiple established scientific facts such as the law of biogenesis, cell theory, the laws of thermodynamics and more!

Yes we have seen it occur and it has been reproduced in the lab. Here's a popular newsitem about since no doubt an actual technical paper would make your widdle head explode. This one is about bacteria but they've also seen it in short lived species like fruit flies.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html#.UoZ7Q9_LI7w

Regards,
Mg

[Rellapse35]

Young Scientists all up in here

[mgellan]

.... the laws of thermodynamics ...

I love this one - they use thermodynamics to claim the earth would have wound down by now since it's a closed system, isn't it?

No you dumbfuck, that big shiny thing in the sky adds energy to the system every second of every day. That is the stupidest excuse for an arguement you guys have ever come up with.

Regards,
Mg

[Rellapse35]

mgellan uses dipshit dumbfuck alot in his replies calm down bro no 1 gives a shit if we come from a ape

[mgellan]

Where are the fossils and evidence of transitional forms? There are literally billions of life forms on the planet so there should be so much evidence, evolutionists wouldn't even know what to do with it all. There isn't a single example of all of existence showing one type of species becoming another.

Uhm...

http://wshsscience.edublogs.org/files/2010/05/18_EVOW_CH03.jpg

I'd post many more but I only need one to refute your stupid claim.

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

mgellan uses dipshit dumbfuck alot in his replies calm down bro no 1 gives a shit if we come from a ape

Those are technical terms for "people stupid enough to not give a shit if we come from an ape."

Regards,
Gord

[Rellapse35]

lol BDA people mad at everything

[mgellan]

Look up "Non sequitur". You only get a pass on my righteous rage because I like your sig :)

Regards,
Mg

[r00t]

monkey got tail I aint no monkey

I dont believe in tailbones either. if you had a tailbone you would have a tail

[Illuzionz]

These retarded questions indicate a severe deficit in your understanding of biology and evolution. Educate yourself before you ask people to waste their time answering your dipshit questions.

Yep retarded questions that you can't and don't even try to refute and instead resort to ad hominems. Typical atheist behavior.

Conceptually, it's all very simple: If you refuse to believe life or the universe could not arise by itself, and choose instead to believe it was the work of a creator, you must ask yourself: Then who created the creator?

If your answer is: The creator created himself, or that he always existed, then why not skip a step and say the universe created itself, or the universe always existed?

Easy, because inanimate matter cannot think. Information can only come from intelligence. There is no other known source from which information can originate. The laws that govern the Universe is all information. The code found within DNA is information. It's far more believable that an intelligent being created everything rather than...nothing created itself...out of nothing...for no reason and without any apparent cause.

[Illuzionz]

Uhm...

http://wshsscience.edublogs.org/files/2010/05/18_EVOW_CH03.jpg

I'd post many more but I only need one to refute your stupid claim.

Regards,
Mg

Cool, you can show me several different creatures that kind of look alike. Good job. The jump between each photo is drastic, not slow gradual change. Show me the slow, gradual change please.

[Illuzionz]

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab

Hey look guys. Bacteria turned into more bacteria! Totally proves evolution and that we evolved from fish! Awesome job. Great read!

[Rellapse35]

we come from aliens not apes bros

[mgellan]

Yep retarded questions that you can't and don't even try to refute and instead resort to ad hominems. Typical atheist behavior.

Go back to your first response to my comments and talk more about ad hominems, pot.

Easy, because inanimate matter cannot think. Information can only come from intelligence. There is no other known source from which information can originate.

Right, and no known intelligence that doesn't reside in a brain. Where is God's brain pray tell?

The laws that govern the Universe is all information. The code found within DNA is information. It's far more believable that an intelligent being created everything rather than...nothing created itself...out of nothing...for no reason and without any apparent cause.

You are using the Appeal to Incredulity logical fallacy - just because you an't imagine it, it can't possibly be true. Pretty arrogant.

Here's the simplification of how something can come from nothing. Imagine a field of dirt, containing "nothing" for the purposes of our illustration. Now, dig a hole. You have now created a pile of dirt, and a hole. Both somethings, that have come from nothing. Ergo, something from nothing. Physicists have demonstrated that the same thing could have happened at the universal level.

Besides that, you've been asked already, if "nothing created itself...out of nothing...for no reason and without any apparent cause" where did God come from?

Regards,
Mg

[Alarti0001]

Actually God lives inside of you. The only reason you're even alive right now is because a fragment of God's spirit, known as your soul, lives inside of you. God is within, not without.

Prove this. You are making a claim... so prove it.

[mgellan]

monkey got tail I aint no monkey

I dont believe in tailbones either. if you had a tailbone you would have a tail

Uhm....

http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/images/si1230.jpg

Are you seriously unable to use google? Try this... http://bit.ly/178okEg

You have more information at your fingertips than anyone in the history of mankind, use it!

Regards,
Mg

[r00t]

I aint got a tailbone, thats just part of my butt/spine that some moran evolutionist SAYS is a tailbone

[Alarti0001]

Uhm....

http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/images/si1230.jpg

Are you seriously unable to use google? Try this... http://bit.ly/178okEg

You have more information at your fingertips than anyone in the history of mankind, use it!

Regards,
Mg

Found the problem. He probably thinks everything he finds here http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page is factual.


Biblical creationists (such as Gary E. Parker (creationist pastor)[2][3] see most of the fossil record as a record of the burial of creatures during Noah's Flood, wherein the creatures dwelling on the seafloor were buried first, then other marine creatures, amphibians, slow-moving reptiles, faster-moving mammals and birds, and finally, humans, the most able to escape the floodwaters the longest.

Atheistic paleontologists[4], geologists and evolutionists believe that the fossil record is a record of the evolution of life on Earth, with the oldest fossils, those of the earliest and simplest creatures, being at the base of the fossil record, and more recent and more advanced creatures higher up. This assumes no folding or bending of the geological strata.


Those fucking atheists and their sciencesssss@!

[mgellan]

Educate yourself before you ask people to waste their time answering your dipshit questions.

Really, there's no point in arguing with someone as dumb as the OP, I'm arguing to educate all the other people who might be listening in and doubting this crock of crap is true...

Regards,
Mg

[Illuzionz]

Here's the simplification of how something can come from nothing. Imagine a field of dirt, containing "nothing" for the purposes of our illustration. Now, dig a hole. You have now created a pile of dirt, and a hole. Both somethings, that have come from nothing. Ergo, something from nothing. Physicists have demonstrated that the same thing could have happened at the universal level.

Besides that, you've been asked already, if "nothing created itself...out of nothing...for no reason and without any apparent cause" where did God come from?

Regards,
Mg

Dirt is something though so already your argument is flawed. Someone their to dig a hole is also not something. It's a person digging a hole. Again your argument is further proven flawed.

[Rellapse35]

Really, there's no point in arguing with someone as dumb as the OP, I'm arguing to educate all the other people who might be listening in and doubting this crock of crap is true...

Regards,
Mg

OP is probably smarter than 98% of everyone on these forums including you

[r00t]

Evolution doesn't even touch on abiogenesis. You atheists basically claim that DNA just randomly crapped itself for no reason. Information theory is fun. You can run math of the odds for that amount of randomness of particles in the universe making every living species just on earth, as well as the works of shakespeare. The limit to infinity approaches zero.

[Illuzionz]

^, anything 10th to the 50th power is considered to be an impossible occurrence. The odds of billions of lines of code that DNA consists of, forming randomly has been estimated to be a number more vast than all of the stars in the Universe and all of grains of sand on Earth combined. In other words, it exceeds mathematical impossibility by a factor of at least 10. Time in this case would be irrelevant as time cannot cause impossible things to occur.

[mgellan]

Found the problem. He probably thinks everything he finds here http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page is factual.


Yeah true - the really funny part of that page is front and centre is a link to an Anthropologist making claims about evolution and abiogeneis. Like an anthropologist (Masters in Social Anthropology, woo) knows shit about evolutionary biology? Sheesh. Why not trot out Duane Gish, (an engineer)?

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

Dirt is something though so already your argument is flawed. Someone their to dig a hole is also not something. It's a person digging a hole. Again your argument is further proven flawed.

I figured this would be too hard for you but I tried. I said we define it for the purpose of illustration. (sigh) read Lawrence Krauss' "A Universe from Nothing" and get back to us when you've found a clue. Or watch this (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1jY 5BjGADv4&ei=RoeGUvaVJKak2AXjvIGADQ&usg=AFQjCNEB_tds53hP_bIs4KcTQgqu2X8tPw&sig2=Gu5uFNkn0hoRl97htaiaYQ&bvm=bv.56643336,d.b2I) since your reading comprehension seems a little below average.

Regards,
Mg

[Jimjam]

Illuzionz, I think I can explain in a way you'll believe how two species can come from one.

[Lagaidh]

God created the world, and created human beings with high potential intelligence.

Additionally, he made the world so that the more we learn about it, the more preposterous the myths about some Deity from a Bronze Age tribe appear.

Then, when we die, he will send us all to hell for not believing in him even though it was the intelligence he gave us, and the evidential nature of the world, that led us to disbelief.

Why would God do this? Because God is the Supreme Troll.

This is actually similar to Thomas Jefferson's ideas on the Judeo-Christian tradition. He thought that if humanity were created in the image of its god, then that god had bestowed curiosity upon the creation. Jefferson thought, that if this were a just god, then that god would ultimately have to expect his creation to question the very existence of the creator in the absence of hard evidence (ie "not faith").

Of course, Job would say "Fuck THAT?!"

[Illuzionz]

I figured this would be too hard for you but I tried. I said we define it for the purpose of illustration. (sigh) read Lawrence Krauss' "A Universe from Nothing" and get back to us when you've found a clue. Or watch this (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1jY 5BjGADv4&ei=RoeGUvaVJKak2AXjvIGADQ&usg=AFQjCNEB_tds53hP_bIs4KcTQgqu2X8tPw&sig2=Gu5uFNkn0hoRl97htaiaYQ&bvm=bv.56643336,d.b2I) since your reading comprehension seems a little below average.

Regards,
Mg

I've read Krauss' book. It's nonsense. He doesn't even know what the word nothing means just like you don't. You can't illustrate dirt and someone digging a hole as "something from nothing" but obviously you have some sort of down syndrome that makes you incapable of realizing this.

[r00t]

that hole digging argument really doesnt capture the definition of 'nothing', at all

[Lagaidh]

LOLLL!!!! Well let me tell you LOL!! HAHA LOL!!

First of all, the law of entropy means that everything is in a constant state of decay. It's impossible for molecules to become increasingly complex over time because the law of entropy states that all things do the exact opposite. For instance, the sun is giving off heat and will eventually burn out and die. It is in a constant state of entropy and will continue until it dies, never regaining any of the energy it lost. Matter inherently decays and breaks down over time. It does not randomly form itself into more and more complex things over time which is exactly what evolutionists argue despite the fact that this is literally impossible.

Then we have cell theory and the law of biogenesis both of which state that all cells must come from previously existing cells and that all life forms can only produce or come from their own kind. I/e Bacteria will ALWAYS produce more bacteria and can ONLY produce more bacteria. The same has been tested and proven so much to the point that it is an established scientific law. So if cells can only come from pre-existing cells and at one point there were no cells then it is impossible that cells can form naturally which is the exact opposite of what evolutionists claim.

Scientific theories are designed to be an extension of scientific laws and all theories are based off of laws as they are designed to explain the characteristics of these laws. For instance, cell theory and germ theory are an appendage of the law of biogenesis. Relativity is an appendage of Newton's laws of motion. Please tell me which law the theory of evolution is an appendage of? There is none because it contradicts several of them. You cannot have a theory that contradicts a scientific law which is exactly what evolution does but they say "well don't worry we'll find the missing link eventually, it's just a matter of time!". So literally all of evolution hinges on the hope and assumption that eventually the missing link will be found.

In other words, evolution is pseudo-science by definition.

You are a very good troll. You should head over to FARK. That's where the pros used to go, but they're lacking in decent talent anymore. They could use you. I know I'd sure appreciate seeing a good troll over on their politics tab again. They're just too obvious anymore...

This... this is fucking great trolling right here. Not legend stuff, but you got the gift chile. You got the gift.

[r00t]

maybe monkeys deevolved from us

[r00t]

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001424151/oh_duh_xlarge.jpeg

[Rellapse35]

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001424151/oh_duh_xlarge.jpeg

add a scarf and u got HBB

[Rellapse35]

hbb fan fic

interesting fact, i own zero scarfs.

/shrug https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsXyxzZCPrScjXBDGKCVxcxGd15oKW_-ppeuYy567zUgQ7oMrJ

[mgellan]

I've read Krauss' book. It's nonsense. He doesn't even know what the word nothing means just like you don't. You can't illustrate dirt and someone digging a hole as "something from nothing" but obviously you have some sort of down syndrome that makes you incapable of realizing this.

Did you get a chance to look at what "ad hominem" means? LOL.

I'll take Krauss' understanding of nothing over some anonymous Internet troll who resorts to ad hominem attacks any day. But just for giggles, specify exactly why you disagree with Krauss.

Regards,
Mg

[r00t]

disagree because dirt is something to begin with

[mgellan]

disagree because dirt is something to begin with

You guys obviously have problems with abstractions, which is awfully strange considering the kind of contortions you go through to make the Bible make sense! I said we define an empty field to be nothing. Kind of abstract for you I know but hey, I tried.

Regards,
Mg

[Pheer]

I didn't read the last few pages but so far this seems like a pretty nerdy debate going on in this thread

[Alarti0001]

Evolution doesn't even touch on abiogenesis. You atheists basically claim that DNA just randomly crapped itself for no reason. Information theory is fun. You can run math of the odds for that amount of randomness of particles in the universe making every living species just on earth, as well as the works of shakespeare. The limit to infinity approaches zero.

But you don't run math on odds for every individual species
You run math on the first living organisms then you run math on each subsequent species independently.

[Rellapse35]

Shut up Alarti keep on answering those telephones

[Illuzionz]

You guys obviously have problems with abstractions, which is awfully strange considering the kind of contortions you go through to make the Bible make sense! I said we define an empty field to be nothing. Kind of abstract for you I know but hey, I tried.

Regards,
Mg

An empty field is an empty field. It's something. Nothing is nothing and can only be nothing. You cannot get something from nothing, hence the fucking meaning of the word nothing. Nothing means to not exist. Like at all. This is exactly what Krauss tries to do. He tries to turn the word "nothing" around and say hey, nothing actually can be something! Hence why he doesn't understand what he's talking about and neither do you.

The cosmological constants are far to defined and exact to be an accident. It's far more likely that some sort of intelligent being set them in place. EverQuest is a perfect example. Norrath didn't just randomly appear by chance but rather everything within the world has been defined down to the smallest detail. The speed at which your character can run, the height that he can jump, the abilities you can use. Each graphic from trees and buildings and the landscape itself were all designed and created by intelligent beings. Norrath is far far less complex than the actual real world and yet you would never believe that something such as it could occur randomly by chance. Why then do you think something that is infinitely more complex than this simple game world, could happen by chance?

[Illuzionz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc

Dawkins admitting there could be a God. From Ben Steins expelled. Quite an interesting documentary.

[mgellan]

The cosmological constants are far to defined and exact to be an accident.

No they're not, stay up to date man.

The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe Is Not Designed for Us (http://www.amazon.ca/The-Fallacy-Fine-Tuning-Universe-Designed/dp/1616144432)

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc

Dawkins admitting there could be a God. From Ben Steins expelled. Quite an interesting documentary.

Quite an interesting pack of lies you mean...

http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Keep coming up with the strawmen and I'll gun 'em down!

Any atheist will admit there might be a god, given proof. There is none, and thus they are atheists.

Regards,
Mg

[Illuzionz]

No they're not, stay up to date man.

The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe Is Not Designed for Us (http://www.amazon.ca/The-Fallacy-Fine-Tuning-Universe-Designed/dp/1616144432)

Regards,
Mg

How is it not designed for us when we can live perfectly fine within it? Are you seriously that fucking retarded? Life wouldn't even be possible if the Universe weren't designed to inhabit it. Lol Jesus Christ you are beyond help man. You've gone full retard.

[moklianne]

The only creationist view I could believe is where an alien race came down and spliced in some of their DNA with some lemur DNA. Bam, humans.

Could creationists get behind this form of creationism?

[Rellapse35]

The only creationist view I could believe is where an alien race came down and spliced in some of their DNA with some lemur DNA. Bam, humans.

Could creationists get behind this form of creationism?

works for me

[Illuzionz]

The only creationist view I could believe is where an alien race came down and spliced in some of their DNA with some lemur DNA. Bam, humans.

Could creationists get behind this form of creationism?

Wouldn't make sense because you're just pushing the goal post further back because then the origins of their existence would need to be explained.

[moklianne]

Wouldn't make sense because you're just pushing the goal post further back because then the origins of their existence would need to be explained.

For the human race's origins it makes complete sense. Where they came from could have been the same scenario or maybe they evolved. I believe evolution exists in the universe, but if there is sufficient evidence (as in physical evidence, not 'here's a book of stories') that creationism is where we came from, I could get behind that.

Something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chase_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29

Look at all of the species we are experimenting with. It just makes sense that other, more evolved species would do the same and create life on purpose or by accident.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

An important footnote is, that for some people, they like to live in their own private Summer of George, and believe in things unknown. To paraphrase Pascal, they believe because it is not proven.

http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA3LzI0LzM1L2dlb3JnZWNsYXBwLmFmNTY0LmdpZg pwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/cd52959a/f3f/george-clapping.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

Fuck evolution.

I'm gonna be a cyborg.

[Illuzionz]

the fallacy of fine tuning is hilarious

you do realize that it could have been fine tuned any which way, and the fact that we're here isn't proof of anything except that this is the way it is...lol?

Proven false. If any of the cosmological constants were off by even .1%, life could not exist. Everything is unbelievably precise to allow for the existence and possibility of life.

[Rellapse35]

Can you guys just suck dicks already

[r00t]

It's true though. Things like the gravitational pull that keep atoms together, let alone solar systems and such, is perfectly fine tuned for order not chaos.

[Barkingturtle]

Order is an illusion. We are all on a one-way ride toward chaos.

[r00t]

The grand architectural design of the universe is why pretty much everyone familiar with higher math and science from Franklin to Einstein is/was a deist. Even Dawkins doesn't go full retard atheist, just religion bashes.

[r00t]

Don't get me wrong, Dawkins is a fuckin moran tho

[Alarti0001]

Those are agnostics.

Nah son. An atheist sees no need to acknowledge the existence of some "god force" without proof. Atheism is defined by its word. A-theist without belief. Belief of course is when someone holds something be true. This can be with or without evidence but in the terms of atheism it implies lack of evidence
Of course this is for true atheism.
There all kinds of pseudo-atheistic systems now. Alot, of people who claim to be atheist are actually anti-theist. The people who in essence proselytize to spread atheism aren't true atheists. Those people are simply seeking the groupthink and community that originally started religions.


An agnostic can't decide between truth/god claims. They basically are saying you cant know which god is correct or if god is correct at all. Agnostics can believe in a god force and just not know what to call it or how it would manifest "itself"

[Alarti0001]

The grand architectural design of the universe is why pretty much everyone familiar with higher math and science from Franklin to Einstein is/was a deist. Even Dawkins doesn't go full retard atheist, just religion bashes.

More likely due to social pressure of their times and how they were raised/trained. But sure ! lol

[Daldolma]

More likely due to social pressure of their times and how they were raised/trained. But sure ! lol

newton probably the most brilliant man in the history of mankind rejected his family's religion, rejected the church of england, but was a fervent deist

pls explain

[Alarti0001]

newton probably the most brilliant man in the history of mankind rejected his family's religion, rejected the church of england, but was a fervent deist

pls explain

More likely due to social pressure of their times and how they were raised/trained. But sure ! lol

[Illuzionz]

More likely due to social pressure of their times and how they were raised/trained. But sure ! lol

This quote is a perfect example of how much an idiot you are. If you ever read any of their works, which you blatantly obviously haven't, you would realize it had absolutely zero to do with "social pressures" of "their times".

The most beautiful system of the Sun, Planets and Comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent being. All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.

Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors.

He who thinks half-heartedly will not believe in God; but he who really thinks has to believe in God.

Words straight from the greatest scientist to ever live and probably one of the smartest people in general to ever live. But ya just an idiot conforming to the social pressures of his time, right? I mean he was such a conformist, obviously, that's why he was practically a direct enemy of the church and had a lot of enemies, because he was such a conformist. Yep, totally obvious!

Read a mother fucking book you god damn waste of life.

[Daldolma]

o ok so newton denied his parents' religion and his country's church, but social pressure and the way he was raised forced him to believe in a conception of religion that nobody in his family believed and that was heretical by his society's standards

THANKS ALARTI

[Daldolma]

did not say they were

said alarti's explanation of newton's beliefs is fucking retarded

[Lune]

Easy, because inanimate matter cannot think. Information can only come from intelligence. There is no other known source from which information can originate. The laws that govern the Universe is all information. The code found within DNA is information. It's far more believable that an intelligent being created everything rather than...nothing created itself...out of nothing...for no reason and without any apparent cause.

This is retarded. You're avoiding the question.

What created the intelligent being?

If he created himself or always existed, that is just as absurd / sensible as the universe creating itself or always existing, and you can simply skip a step and say the universe always existed.

Information can only come from intelligence.

Correct arguments can only come from Lune. See? I can make up bullshit concepts too.

[Barkingturtle]

Newton, Einstein, Bill Nye; genius is susceptible to self-idolatry.

The ultimate narcissistic act is to observe this singular moment on an infinite timeline -- this blip which encapsulates the aggregate of all man's hard-won knowledge and tireless speculation -- and yet conclude one is qualified to invent God.

[Lune]

Newton, Einstein, Bill Nye; genius is susceptible to self-idolatry.

The ultimate narcissistic act is to observe this singular moment on an infinite timeline -- this blip which encapsulates the aggregate of all man's hard-won knowledge and tireless speculation -- and yet conclude one is qualified to invent God.

http://i.imgur.com/6Kiua88.gif

[Alarti0001]

o ok so newton denied his parents' religion and his country's church, but social pressure and the way he was raised forced him to believe in a conception of religion that nobody in his family believed and that was heretical by his society's standards

THANKS ALARTI

Most social pressure is from peers not parents. See the catholic schoolgirl stereotype and need to rebel.
Societal pressure easier for you to understand?

He was trying to make sense of things he didnt understand within limits he already understood. Not that shocking actually.

[Alarti0001]

did not say they were

said alarti's explanation of newton's beliefs is fucking retarded

Naaaah you are just too fucking retarded to understand the basic mechanics of human interaction

[mgellan]

Those are agnostics.

There are agnostic atheists and agnostic theists. Agnosticism (and it's counterpart gnosticism) is what you know to be true, atheism and deism is what you believe to be true. So a gnostic atheist knows god doesn't existing, an agnostic atheist doesn't claim to. Agnosticism is not the middle of the road, as some people term it.

Regards,
Gord

[r00t]

The scientific method goes largely wasted because you morans believe everything you read.

If Dawkins said apes evolved from kangaroos because they both have a tailbone, youd believe him

[mgellan]

The scientific method goes largely wasted because you morans believe everything you read.

If Dawkins said apes evolved from kangaroos because they both have a tailbone, youd believe him

No thats dogma. Only religious people believe everything they read in some stupid book. Believe me, not everything Dawkins says is gospel.

Sam Harris on the other hand...

Regards,
Gord

[Pizza Dude]

First there was cheese pizza then there were toppings. Pizza evolution guys!

http://healthandfashion.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/pizza1.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

Best poster, imo.

[GradnerLives]

http://i.imgur.com/VcUBzlT.jpg

Kanzi the ape genius (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBlDGX95eys).

[r00t]

No thats dogma. Only religious people believe everything they read in some stupid book. Believe me, not everything Dawkins says is gospel.

Sam Harris on the other hand...

Regards,
Gord

If he or any of the other "celebrity" scientists (Neil Tyson, Michio Kaku, etc) who don't actually do SHIT say something, they aren't going to be questioned. All you atheists gawk and marvel, buy their books full of bullshit as if their philosophical ideas are fact.

I mean Dawkins fucking thesis is "Selective pecking in the domestic chick (1967)" yet he's celebrated more than Charles Fucking Darwin by people with low IQ.

Also lol at narcissistic passing the buck to the existence of god. It is MORE narcissistic to say you KNOW god DOESNT exist

[Daldolma]

If he or any of the other "celebrity" scientists (Neil Tyson, Michio Kaku, etc) who don't actually do SHIT say something, they aren't going to be questioned. All you atheists gawk and marvel, buy their books full of bullshit as if their philosophical ideas are fact.

I mean Dawkins fucking thesis is "Selective pecking in the domestic chick (1967)" yet he's celebrated more than Charles Fucking Darwin by people with low IQ.

Also lol at narcissistic passing the buck to the existence of god. It is MORE narcissistic to say you KNOW god DOESNT exist

[r00t]

if all snails died tomorrow no1 would give a FUCK

[Daldolma]

french ppl eat snails

that's really all i have to say about snails. and the french.

[r00t]

All your talk about systems and you don't know how 2 ecosystem. lol.

if you were really believers in evolution organisms would just evolve to not eat snails DUh

[Langrisserx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#Concern_troll

[Jimjam]

Early in human (pre)history snails were one of the most farmed organisms.

French people eat snails.

French are sometimes referred to as monkeys.

Ergo we evolved from monkeys.

[Langrisserx]

Ergo Escargot
Primal Primates Prodigy
English Haikus? Gay

[Ahldagor]

yay science

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/a/a0/Technology.gif

[myriverse]

This is how the robot apocalypse was born.

[Ahldagor]

http://bibliomantics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/tumblr_m2ix4j7cvt1qghl49o1_r1_500.gif

[r00t]

I am so glad hundreds of thousands of species go extinct every second because all I like to eat is steak

[Joseppi]

Early in human (pre)history snails were one of the most farmed organisms.

French people eat snails.

French are sometimes referred to as monkeys.

Ergo we evolved from monkeys.

[DrKvothe]

Mgellan, I appreciated your Lenski reference. Did you read the short bio in Science about him this month? It led me to track down his second response to Andrew Schlafly. Schlafly reminds me very much of Illusionz.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

[Daldolma]

humans are part of the natural order

[myriverse]

Humans are, but not some of the things they do.

[Illuzionz]

Mgellan, I appreciated your Lenski reference. Did you read the short bio in Science about him this month? It led me to track down his second response to Andrew Schlafly. Schlafly reminds me very much of Illusionz.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

E Coli turning into more E Coli totally proves evolution bro. Totally proves that a fish can turn into a land walking reptile or whatever retarded ass shit you believe.

[Alarti0001]

humans are part of the natural order

Go tell that to the Amazon rainforest.

[Alarti0001]

E Coli turning into more E Coli totally proves evolution bro. Totally proves that a fish can turn into a land walking reptile or whatever retarded ass shit you believe.

As opposed to?

Evolution is the best we have just like any scientific theory it is subject to change or revision when new information arises. Kinda the opposite of the way religion works.

[r00t]

lol seriously e coli turning into e coli is not witnessing evolution happening

[Kagatob]

Shanna, is naez just a brilliant troll or is he really this dumb?

[r00t]

Copernicus was criticized for questioning conventional wisdom, as am I. We are martyrs for true science.

[Illuzionz]

Do you not understand that bacteria also use nucleic ac...........

...............fuck it nevermind lol.

What the the fuck are you talking about? Ya exactly, nevermind because you are fucking clueless.

As opposed to?

Evolution is the best we have just like any scientific theory it is subject to change or revision when new information arises. Kinda the opposite of the way religion works.

If evolution is the best you have then that is fucking sad because it's about as retarded as it gets.

As opposed to? Um the only obvious answer. Creation. Life is a creation. DNA is a code, it was created. Information does not just arise randomly in nature. A code can't magically fucking write itself.

[Kagatob]

What the the fuck are you talking about?
Pay attention in basic biology some day kid.

If evolution is the best you have then that is fucking sad because it's about as retarded as it gets.

As opposed to? Um the only obvious answer. Creation. Life is a creation. DNA is a code, it was created.
Nobody has ever witnessed life being created by god, why do you believe in and even fight for something that has zero evidence?
Information does not just arise randomly in nature. A code can't magically fucking write itself.
It's not 'random' This is like the seventeenth fucking time this has been explained to you.

[Lojik]

Probably responding to trolls but w/e
Information can only come from intelligence. There is no other known source from which information can originate.

Prices are information, and they don't arise from a single intelligent being going "hey, this will be the price of all things." The only time they do is when governments try to fuck with prices cause they think they know better and it usually ends up with unintended results.

Where are the fossils and evidence of transitional forms? There are literally billions of life forms on the planet so there should be so much evidence, evolutionists wouldn't even know what to do with it all. There isn't a single example of all of existence showing one type of species becoming another.

However not once has anyone observed anything even remotely close to one species becoming another entirely or even beginning to show the signs of becoming another species entirely.

You said yourself that one species can't produce another species. If that's true, then shouldn't there be tons of fossils of every creature that is alive today from millions of years back? Why aren't there 100,000+ year old fossils of any of the mammals that are alive today? Granted there are a few creatures that have not remained the same over a few million years, but they are in the minority. Maybe "Mr. Intelligent being" just kept intervening at random intervals and plopping out new animals? Kinda like new Earth:Expansion packs?

we're the only species to do anything notable besides eat, sleep, and shit

According to us, maybe animals think the same shit about us. Can you talk to/understand animals?

That's because we were created in God's image and given dominion of the Earth. This is also why we are the only creature capable of unraveling the mysteries of the Universe and can understand the Universal language with which it was built. Math. Why then, if evolution is true, is no other creature on Earth evolving to our level of understanding? There is no creature even remotely close to what we are capable of. If evolution is such a slow gradual process, why the unbelievably drastic leap between humans and everything else?

How do you know that someones pet cat hasn't unraveled all the mysteries of the universe and laughs at humans and all the ridiculous shit we do.

Proven false. If any of the cosmological constants were off by even .1%, life could not exist. Everything is unbelievably precise to allow for the existence and possibility of life.

Tornado went through a scrap yard and out came a brand new car! Just give it enough time and it will eventually happen, herp derp!

I've heard this argument before so it must be from something famous, that the odds of life being the way it is are the same as "whatever shit you just said" and it's total bullshit. If you work backwards from something and add in a shit ton of variables, yeah the odds of things being "the way they are" are astronomical and seemingly impossible (there probably is a technical word for this kind of bias.) Imagine the following 2 scenarios-
First-
Person A "Major league baseball is totally rigged"
Person B "Oh god here we go. Why do you say that"
Person A "Just look at the box scores of the last game. The odds of <soandso doing this> and <this happening> and <1,000 other scenarios> happening in the same game are ten million to one! It's totally rigged."
Person B "You're retarded."

Second-
Random p99er "Watch out everyone, there are 3 manastones for sale in EC right now, proof that they are being duped en masse!"
Rogean "Stop wasting my time or I'll ban you

[Illuzionz]

Nobody has ever witnessed life being created by god, why do you believe in and even fight for something that has zero evidence?

Did anyone see the Egyptians write their hieroglyphs you fucking retard? Do you need to have seen them write it to know it was written by people? It's a code just like DNA is, just like any fucking language is you god damn retard.

It's not 'random' This is like the seventeenth fucking time this has been explained to you.

Yes it is you mother fucking retard. If at one point you go from there not being information to their suddenly being information then it is random. I know you have fucking down syndrome but seriously, get a fucking clue.

Random : chosen, done, etc., without a particular plan or pattern

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

[Illuzionz]

Prices are information, and they don't arise from a single intelligent being going "hey, this will be the price of all things." The only time they do is when governments try to fuck with prices cause they think they know better and it usually ends up with unintended results.

Lol what the fuck, is this retard for real?

[Kagatob]

Illuzionz confirmed running out of creationist shit to copy/paste.

[JayN]

Ape brains son
http://www.cultofweird.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/cannibalism-evolution-beginning-end-182x300.jpg
http://www.cultofweird.com/books/cannibalism-human-evolution/

[r00t]

According to us, maybe animals think the same shit about us. Can you talk to/understand animals?

No, it's based on very real objective evidence (unlike evolution). We are the ONLY species to do ANYTHING besides eat, sleep, and shit

[Barkingturtle]

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?

[Kagatob]

No, it's based on very real objective evidence (unlike evolution). We are the ONLY species to do ANYTHING besides eat, sleep, and shit

What about beavers? They build structures. Sometimes they have been known to redirect streams with said structures.

How about otters? They use tools, they also rape baby seals.

[Illuzionz]

It was suppose to say "can you fucking read". Sorry no edit buttons. Good observation skills though retard.

[r00t]

What about beavers? They build structures. Sometimes they have been known to redirect streams with said structures.

How about otters? They use tools, they also rape baby seals.

We are sending and receiving messages via bits of electricity, light pulses, and radio waves thousands of miles away, instantly.

You compare all that mankind has accomplished to a bunch of sticks (a faggot) structures... really, you cannot be fucking serious.

[Kagatob]

No, it's based on very real objective evidence (unlike evolution). [B] We are the ONLY species to do ANYTHING besides eat, sleep, and shit[B]
Very specific qualifications.
We are sending and receiving messages via bits of electricity, light pulses, and radio waves thousands of miles away, instantly.

You compare all that mankind has accomplished to a bunch of sticks (a faggot) structures... really, you cannot be fucking serious.

Read your own post, pile of sticks.

[Jimjam]

Two species coming from one?

Evolution reported for Dupeing.

[mgellan]

Mgellan, I appreciated your Lenski reference. Did you read the short bio in Science about him this month? It led me to track down his second response to Andrew Schlafly. Schlafly reminds me very much of Illusionz.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

Thanks for the link, I love the response "I offer this lengthy reply because I am an educator as well as a scientist. It is my sincere hope that some readers might learn something from this exchange, even if you do not." from Lenski to Shafly, basically "I seriously doubt you can possibly benefit from this but perhaps someone with half a brain will."

Basically the theme of this thread :)

Regards,
Mg

[Villide]

As opposed to?

Evolution is the best we have just like any scientific theory it is subject to change or revision when new information arises. Kinda the opposite of the way religion works.
Actually, religion is subject to revision as well - normally, in relation to cultural changes that makes "the book" look bad. The Old Testament is pretty much disregarded, or the interpretation of its text has greatly changed.

These days, homosexuality is no longer considered an abomination in most religious circles, because it's an increasingly unpopular position to take. It's considered an "everyday" sin now, no different than the sins that normal, hetero humans make in their everyday lives. As we all are theoretically sinners before God, homosexuals are no worse in the eyes of the church for their sins.

They can do this, because the book allows for some wiggle room in interpretation.

So change is often convenient for the church, and good business.

[Ahldagor]

Actually, religion is subject to revision as well - normally, in relation to cultural changes that makes "the book" look bad. The Old Testament is pretty much disregarded, or the interpretation of its text has greatly changed.

These days, homosexuality is no longer considered an abomination in most religious circles, because it's an increasingly unpopular position to take. It's considered an "everyday" sin now, no different than the sins that normal, hetero humans make in their everyday lives. As we all are theoretically sinners before God, homosexuals are no worse in the eyes of the church for their sins.

They can do this, because the book allows for some wiggle room in interpretation.

So change is often convenient for the church, and good business.


the man who never alters his opinion breeds reptiles of the mind
-william blake-

[runlvlzero]

Can you fucking retard you complete waste of life?
x10


/pras lol

[runlvlzero]

Also I had PC games written in assembly that mimicked evolution, fluid dynamics, ecosystems. The people who founded Maxis b4 it was Maxis. Aka Will Wright and a bunch of really nerdy physicists, biologists, and ecologists. Who helped him make a great game.

Yet I still ain't 100% hedging my bets on Darwin being correct in the "origin of the human species". While I really respect his theory of evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimEarth

Brews this game is STILL legit today.

[runlvlzero]

In 1990 Brews, also it's abandonware and runs pretty well on dosbox if u guys are feelin nerdy and want to breed sapient dinosaurs and have a nuclear holocost.

[mgellan]

We are sending and receiving messages via bits of electricity, light pulses, and radio waves thousands of miles away, instantly.

Speed of light right? Try to be concise.

Regards,
Mg

[Orruar]

Yet I still ain't 100% hedging my bets on Darwin being correct in the "origin of the human species". While I really respect his theory of evolution

http://caffeine-fueled.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg

[Orruar]

Speed of light right? Try to be concise.

Regards,
Mg

Maybe he thinks we're already using quantum entanglement to instantly transmit information.

[Alorae]

Yet I still ain't 100% hedging my bets on Darwin being correct in the "origin of the human species".

That would be a good bet since he never really said that.

[runlvlzero]

That would be a good bet since he never really said that.

Ahah, yes you are correct Sir!

I did a quick google search and indeed, Darwin himself appears to have been reluctant on this topic.

I see this article is very insightful.
A Primate of Modern Aspect (http://zinjanthropus.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/darwin-the-descent-of-man-and-human-evolution/)

Draw your own conclusions. I kept hearing Darwin's stuff being thrown around by people claiming scientific literacy and it always confused me.

[runlvlzero]

P.S. I ain't claiming to be scientifically literate :p

[runlvlzero]

Also it is clear what Darwin seems to have believed about human origins after reading the article.

I remain undecided. I would argue for a more evolutionary route. But I dunno. Our history is so incomplete it's hard to say for sure.

[runlvlzero]

And that doesn't rule out evolution as a natural process even if humans were some how influenced indirectly through some other means... be it cataclysm, divine, aliens, panspermia..

[Alorae]

Ahah, yes you are correct Sir!

I did a quick google search and indeed, Darwin himself appears to have been reluctant on this topic.

I see this article is very insightful.
A Primate of Modern Aspect (http://zinjanthropus.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/darwin-the-descent-of-man-and-human-evolution/)

Draw your own conclusions. I kept hearing Darwin's stuff being thrown around by people claiming scientific literacy and it always confused me.

I think people read the title "On the Origin of Species" and assume that Darwin was presenting theories on how life, and specifically human life, came to be on this planet. In general it was a theory about how groups of organisms become completely separate from others and form a new species.

[DrKvothe]

Runlvlzero,

Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, but Watson and Crick didn't publish the structure of DNA in 1962. Darwin had no clue about the molecular mechanisms of mutation. Modern evolutionary theory is quite different than Darwin's first theories. The important lesson from On the Origins of Species was about natural selection, which is still recognized as a strong force of evolution (the others, typically weaker, being: neutral drift, gene flow, and mutation).

Scientists do not dogmatically cling to the words of a 150ish year old book.

[DrKvothe]

Please read the last part of the first sentence as "didn't publish the structure of DNA until 1962." wish i could edit

[Barkingturtle]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/66/6645bd8e615d9b3f5db7b0ba2ae5123e4d84ed2b0d27c50ffe c22f855a9b6f21.jpg

[pharmakos]

It was suppose to say "can you fucking read". Sorry no edit buttons. Good observation skills though retard.

turns out Illuzionz was Sonaa

and he just got banned for RMTing

[Itap]

turns out Illuzionz was Sonaa

and he just got banned for RMTing

link?

[Itap]

Also, we all knew that was him. I'm sure it won't be the last we see of him, he's addicted to EC

[pharmakos]

meltdown occurring here: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?195-EQ-Project-1999-Winter-Is-Coming/page56&p=459068#post459068

confirmation that he's Sonaa two pages after that

[Lune]

I just unpacked my box of Christmas lights and that shit was all tangled as fuck. I mean, hundreds of different knots... took me like an hour to untangle it.

Clearly there is some greater intelligence at work, because an electrical cord can't just spontaneously tangle itself, and thereby increase the complexity of the system.

I propose that this is the work of our Lord and Biblical Creator, Jehovah.

[Tanthallas]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/66/6645bd8e615d9b3f5db7b0ba2ae5123e4d84ed2b0d27c50ffe c22f855a9b6f21.jpg

lol

[Itap]

meltdown occurring here: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?195-EQ-Project-1999-Winter-Is-Coming/page56&p=459068#post459068

confirmation that he's Sonaa two pages after that

holy fuck dude, nice find

[skipdog]

meltdown occurring here: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?195-EQ-Project-1999-Winter-Is-Coming/page56&p=459068#post459068

confirmation that he's Sonaa two pages after that

mwahaha, this is like christmas!

[Jimjam]

I just unpacked my box of Christmas lights and that shit was all tangled as fuck. I mean, hundreds of different knots... took me like an hour to untangle it.

Clearly there is some greater intelligence at work, because an electrical cord can't just spontaneously tangle itself, and thereby increase the complexity of the system.

I propose that this is the work of our Lord and Biblical Creator, Jehovah.

Nah, there was just one tangle but someone duped it after mistaking the tangle for a manastone.

[Alorae]

meltdown occurring here: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?195-EQ-Project-1999-Winter-Is-Coming/page56&p=459068#post459068

confirmation that he's Sonaa two pages after that

I wonder if there is any legal action that can be taken.

lol