EQN Founder Packs

[Cypher.]

Looks like Sony is trying to raise a little bit of jingle for EQN:

https://www.eqnlandmark.com/founders-pack

I'm almost tempted to get one of the packs in the vain hope that I might be able to impart some of the magic that EQ had for me way back when.

[Knuckle]

Makes me want to puke. 'Tech Sergeant Commander'? 'Be the only one of your friends with this faggotry'

[pharmakos]

"oh shit, we're running out of money, what can we do?"

"i know! lets trick people into paying us to be our testers! not only will we start making money earlier than we expected, but we can lay off the debug team!"

[Cypher.]

"oh shit, we're running out of money, what can we do?"

"i know! lets trick people into paying us to be our testers! not only will we start making money earlier than we expected, but we can lay off the debug team!"

To that point, this is the shit I would expect from a no-name Kickstarter start-up, not from an established outfit like SOE.

[Knuckle]

why the fuck would there be a tech sergeant skin in fucking everquest, its medival fantasy.

[Thulack]

why the fuck would there be a tech sergeant skin in fucking everquest, its medival fantasy.


Noooooo it's Everquest Fantasy. Anything goes.

[Gadwen]

Just bought the Trailblazer pack, gonna be tech sergeant up in this bitch

[Tycko]

HAHAHAHA

So first they hype the shit out of it, then they go through a period of silence, now we can pay them money to alpha test and build their game for them.

HAHAHAHA ... what a joke

RIP SOE EQN

[Gadwen]

I don't know why people are acting like this is something special, interesting or new, pretty much every new MMO or even multiplayer game is doing crap like this now.

[Tycko]

Because they are basically doing their private version of kickstarter. Only they are marketing the game as a fully funded production.

[quido]

This just made me lose all hope.

[Gadwen]

Because they are basically doing their private version of kickstarter. Only they are marketing the game as a fully funded production.

They aren't hurting for money to develop this game, they just want more money, it's no different than the myriad of pre order bonuses that pretty much every big game offers now.

[Cypher.]

They aren't hurting for money to develop this game, they just want more money, it's no different than the myriad of pre order bonuses that pretty much every big game offers now.

IMO, it's either 1) They're greedy bastards (as you said) or 2) They see risk involved in the production of EQN and don't want to risk any of their money in the develop thus the Kickstarter approach.

[Tycko]

They aren't hurting for money to develop this game, they just want more money, it's no different than the myriad of pre order bonuses that pretty much every big game offers now.

How do you know they are not hurting for money?

Because people use the kickstarter route when they do not have enough money to pay the bills while developing their game.

[Tycko]

Their entire game is based on the idea of crowdsourcing, which I was onboard for. Now they are crowdsourcing their income while developing their crowdsourced content... which I can't help but laugh at.

[Gadwen]

I don't know why you guys think this is crowdfunding, they are just basically selling "preorders" with early access and bonuses. This type of thing is the industry standard now, it's just a way for them to get more of your money. Actually I think it could benefit them if people think they are buying into the development process, or "helping" fund the game, the approach of not just selling it as early access bonus is actually pretty genius. Sony has plenty of fuckin cash but they can't stop themselves from coming up with ways to get even more of it.

[Tycko]

I find the idea of "pre-ordering" a free to play game laughable. Perhaps that is the only reason I am so upset about this news. The game has been marketed as a free to play since the announcement because that is SOE's modern business model for games. The idea you have to "invest" into the development phase does not sit well with me and I am disappointed this game is going to be a flop that many others have heralded. Ashame too because I was really excited about it.
(you still never said how you knew they were not hurting for cash)

-Ex-Excited EQN follower

[Gadwen]

Well Smedley has said multiple times that PS2 was their most profitable game to date. If the company is really in need of crowdfunding after their most successful game I doubt he would still be the CEO.

I'm not saying that aren't trying to make it look like it's some sort of crowdfunding effort, I think that they know people get into that shit and feel like they are an important part of the game when they are helping fund it's development. Like I said I think this is actually a really smart way to sell early access, you can be a "founder" of EQNext, really exhilarating isn't it?

[a_gnoll_pup]

I thought it was cool at launch, but this is just... not EQ.

I'll be passing on this game entirely.

[Pringles]

Holy shit.... $60 or $100 to buy into Alpha access of a free to play game????? Are you kidding me? My interest in this game is quickly diminishing, I was excited for it, but the more I learn, the less interested I am.

[citizen1080]

ESO is the only decent looking mmo on the horizon


That and Starbound

[Tecmos Deception]

Holy shit.... $60 or $100 to buy into Alpha access of a free to play game????? Are you kidding me? My interest in this game is quickly diminishing, I was excited for it, but the more I learn, the less interested I am.

I was expecting to be sorely disappointed, but paying to play a buggy, shitty version of a game that will eventually be free? Yeah. That's 'tarded.

Honestly I can't imagine what an alpha even is nowadays. Only offline-only single-player games are released in a (mostly) playable state anymore. Anything that has a multiplayer component and especially MMOs seem like they're "released" in an early beta state at best.

[Cyph]

Paying to test... how low. The more I hear about EQN (including Landmark) the more my interest wanes. Hopefully Camelot Unchained, or maybe even Brad's new game, won't be disappointing.

[Tycko]

speaking of brad's game....... I'm excited to see his kickstarter!!

Brad probably saw what SOE was doing and thought O M G I don't want my name on that!

hahahahaha

Here is to "The Vision" tm

[SamwiseRed]

100 bones gone.

[citizen1080]

100 bones gone.

Sucker born every minute

[MrSparkle001]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pYI2DeFzL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nEyggXxrqU

That doesn't even look close to a game that can be called Everquest. For me it's ESO or bust.

[dalkice]

Not to mention that running/jump/glide animation looked almost exactly like DCUO.

[liveitup1216]

Lots of mad over promotional shit for Minecraft 2.

Ps, they already said you can't take any of the founder pack bullshit over into EQN. Google some rainbows or something before wrists get slashed.

[JayN]

holy crap lame

[Skittlez]

Just bought the Trailblazer pack, gonna be tech sergeant up in this bitch

same

[Knuckle]

have fun being huge faggots, last time i checked there wasnt tech sergeants in everquest world. gonna be a shit game with stuff like that

[liveitup1216]

have fun being huge faggots, last time i checked there wasnt tech sergeants in everquest world. gonna be a shit game with stuff like that

You can't be a tech sergeant in the everquest world. You can be in Landmark. (Minecraft 2)

2 different games brew

[Skittlez]

You can't be a tech sergeant in the everquest world. You can be in Landmark. (Minecraft 2)

2 different games brew

Yup. L2 n3t qu35t brew.

[Swish]

ESO is the only decent looking mmo on the horizon

[Weekapaug]

So what's this new Brad McQuade project that keeps getting mentioned?

[Pyrion]

Nothing much to find about it yet, this here may be the best source:

https://twitter.com/Aradune

[Tecmos Deception]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pYI2DeFzL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nEyggXxrqU

If I had any faith in humanity, I'd assume these videos are SOE trolling us.

But I don't, and they aren't.

:(

[MrSparkle001]

If I had any faith in humanity, I'd assume these videos are SOE trolling us.

But I don't, and they aren't.

:(

It's Disney presents Everquest! A rated G adventure for the whole family!

[Arclyte]

shit game from a shit company

fuck john smedley

[Gwence]

100 bucks to alpha test LANDMARK, it's not even EQN - sounds like some of you dont even realize that.

not to mention when they announced it back in august it was going to be released fully later this year, guess that isnt true since it says feb 28 when you look at the packages, march 31 for the $20 one which is only closed beta


I honestly have a hard time believing anyone spends money on this, access to an alpha which they are going to wipe, access to a closed beta which they will wipe

and none of it is even for the actual game, it's just fucking Landmark.

[Weekapaug]

100 bucks to alpha test LANDMARK, it's not even EQN - sounds like some of you dont even realize that.

not to mention when they announced it back in august it was going to be released fully later this year, guess that isnt true since it says feb 28 when you look at the packages, march 31 for the $20 one which is only closed beta


I honestly have a hard time believing anyone spends money on this, access to an alpha which they are going to wipe, access to a closed beta which they will wipe

and none of it is even for the actual game, it's just fucking Landmark.

A few years ago I would gave agreed with you, but with the state of modern gaming I'm not surprised in the least. The complete and utter horseshit that is offered and that people will pay good money for knows no bounds these days. From the useless "collectors" crap that comes with special editions of games to the preorder nonsense. No bounds whatsoever.

My question is how is Gamestop going to get a piece of this action? Because if they aren't already they will figure out a way to. And keep the prices up while they continue to influence the dumbing down of games because they know what sells best and want to keep providing it and can swing that kind of weight in the industry.

When it comes to separating fools from their money PT Barnham and Walt Disney got nothin on the modtn gaming industry.

[Swish]

A few years ago I would gave agreed with you, but with the state of modern gaming I'm not surprised in the least. The complete and utter horseshit that is offered and that people will pay good money for knows no bounds these days. From the useless "collectors" crap that comes with special editions of games to the preorder nonsense. No bounds whatsoever..

+100

[Gadwen]

A few years ago I would gave agreed with you, but with the state of modern gaming I'm not surprised in the least. The complete and utter horseshit that is offered and that people will pay good money for knows no bounds these days. From the useless "collectors" crap that comes with special editions of games to the preorder nonsense. No bounds whatsoever.

My question is how is Gamestop going to get a piece of this action? Because if they aren't already they will figure out a way to. And keep the prices up while they continue to influence the dumbing down of games because they know what sells best and want to keep providing it and can swing that kind of weight in the industry.

When it comes to separating fools from their money PT Barnham and Walt Disney got nothin on the modtn gaming industry.

Gamestop will be selling the $20-$50 adventurer "starter pack" cards.

[liveitup1216]

I don't get why anybody is shocked that a game has collector's editions/preorders. If it were a regular sub/purchase MMO you'd still have to pay $50-$60 to preorder and they generally throw in beta keys anyway.

Just because its going to be free you're appalled that they're offering paid preorder deals? Never go full retard.

[Thulack]

I don't get why anybody is shocked that a game has collector's editions/preorders. If it were a regular sub/purchase MMO you'd still have to pay $50-$60 to preorder and they generally throw in beta keys anyway.

Just because its going to be free you're appalled that they're offering paid preorder deals? Never go full retard.

This is for the EQ landmark game though Not even Everquest Next. So your preorderings to play the beta of EQ minecraft

[MrSparkle001]

What the hell is Everquest Next Landmark then? It's a separate game from Everquest Next?

[liveitup1216]

This is for the EQ landmark game though Not even Everquest Next. So your preorderings to play the beta of EQ minecraft

Right, a separate game. A game that you can preorder to get perks and fluff, or just pay absolutely nothing and wait for open beta. Still don't see what the big deal is or how its any different from any MMO development in the past decade.

[liveitup1216]

What the hell is Everquest Next Landmark then? It's a separate game from Everquest Next?

Yeah, Landmark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeTv5nnq9IY) is just Minecraft if Minecraft had millions of dollars in funding.
(Fast forward to 16:30 to see actual Landmark gameplay and skip their intro/FAQ section)

Unrelated to EQN besides a few crossover things, like being able to port over shit that you built if it fits EQ's style. This founder pack is just preorder/collector's edition shit for Landmark, none of it will be in EQN though.

[Eslade]

No thanks, I already have 3DS Max and Zbrush. I'm not paying $100 to make assets for a game company. If anything they should be paying for the work that they keep. This is nothing but a money grab and if this is how they do alpha/beta for a part that isn't even the real game, I'm going to be steering clear of this pile.

I love Everquest,
this is not Everquest.

[liveitup1216]

No thanks, I already have 3DS Max and Zbrush. I'm not paying $100 to make assets for a game company. If anything they should be paying for the work that they keep. This is nothing but a money grab and if this is how they do alpha/beta for a part that isn't even the real game, I'm going to be steering clear of this pile.

I love Everquest,
this is not Everquest.

Its not Everquest, its Landmark. Wait for EQN. If you don't like Minecraft then this game is pointless to you.

They should've left the "Everquest Next" part out and just called it Landmark. They clearly overestimated our reading comprehension. Now there's all this "hurr durrr dis aint eq wtfff fail" no matter how many times they say "no shit, its a different game from EQN". They done goofed.

[Eslade]

Its not Everquest, its Landmark. Wait for EQN. If you don't like Minecraft then this game is pointless to you.

They should've left the "Everquest Next" part out and just called it Landmark. They clearly overestimated our reading comprehension.

I'm aware of what this is. What I said is that if this is how they're handling this part of the game, then eq next can't be too far from the same model.

You have gotten better at Reading Comprehension! (4)

[liveitup1216]

I'm aware of what this is. What I said is that if this is how they're handling this part of the game, then eq next can't be too far from the same model.

You have gotten better at Reading Comprehension! (4)

All I'm curious about is what does this mean? Why are they marketing preorder fluff just like every other game in the history of games?

[Swish]

I don't see what people will really get out of this. The best way to know if EQNext is going to succeed is to sit back, wait patiently and see if it makes its damn release.

The big draw for a lot of people doesn't come from any game content as much as wanting to craft cities, structures, etc and sell them for $$. That in itself is intriguing and should lead to a few legendary architects in the community, motivated by money sadly... but nevertheless they've got the chance to shape the world that everyone will play in.

Really have my doubts about the kerrans. Kerrans are...

http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/images/tf_kerran.jpg

Kerrans aren't something from Disney's Lion Ling...

http://oi39.tinypic.com/708h2r.jpg

Join EQNext for your favorite sing-along songs...

[liveitup1216]

lolz I agree, I'm not buying the packs because I don't care about the fluff crap. I'm just surprised there's this much outrage. What games don't have useless preorder shit to rope in the dopes?

The art lead did say they were revisiting kerrans and armor proportions after all the backlash they got.

[EchoedTruth]

why the fuck would there be a tech sergeant skin in fucking everquest, its medival fantasy.

I'm guessing you've never been to Ak'Anon

[liveitup1216]

I'm guessing you've never been to Ak'Anon

not to mention landmark isn't medieval fantasy

[Millburn]

Swish man I was gonna do a whole write up about how EQNext Kerra are a lot like EQ2 Kerra and then I actually looked at BOTH those atrocities and decided I would rather just forget about both entirely.

Why must concept art be so god damn DECEITFUL!?

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130829192036/eq2/images/thumb/6/60/7_Kerran.jpg/480px-7_Kerran.jpg

I would totally be on board 100% for that kind of kerra...why ... why choose this other shit.

Those poor poor kerra, what have Sony done to you?

http://i.imgur.com/DHUGy.gif

[pharmakos]

SAVE THE KERRA

"in the armsssss offff the angelllsssss"

[Nuggie]

100 bones gone.

Ditto.

$100 means less to me than the chance to get into alpha/beta and give them some niche game perspective. Also, making something that might end up in the game would be neat.

The other stuff.. well... hurray for forum title?

[Millburn]

I'm just gonna go to my local meijer and rip all the codes out of their PC Gamer mags.

[Swish]

A recent EQN Landmark livestream:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knreoP0PANQ

Chatting tons about resource collecting, the type of pickaxes you might use to mine resources.
Claiming land as "yours".
Station cash got mentioned for people who don't have time to do stuff.
37 mins - Firiona Vie on the cover of PC Gamer magazine... she looks drunk.

Overall they were there to answer questions, but keep putting their hands up and saying "we don't know yet" on a lot of things.

[Aeolwind]

Interesting side to this is you'll be able to select & save objects you've built as 'templates'; like a house, or church; barracks, etc and sell it on the store for $.

So, in that respect a head start can lead to more possible revenue by being able to use the tools better. You get like a 2 week head start on one of the packages. So you can have several templates up early for lazy people to buy and start up with.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Interesting side to this is you'll be able to select & save objects you've built as 'templates'; like a house, or church; barracks, etc and sell it on the store for $.

So, in that respect a head start can lead to more possible revenue by being able to use the tools better. You get like a 2 week head start on one of the packages. So you can have several templates up early for lazy people to buy and start up with.

Thing is, though, how will this make team plot building work? The best minecraft shit was made either a) in a program outside of minecraft and then imported :P or b) with the communal effort of a shitload of people. Shitloads of people working in an area will be unable to save templates and monetize their work, so how will they be able to build together?

[Swish]

Discussion on large races, for example... IKSAR! (wut?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAv2ZKyfVsM

http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/xmarie08/Hockey%20gifs%20memes/fozzie.gif

I really hope they know what they're doing :/

[Poliwag]

"We wanna do a nod to the EQ IP but..." we also want to completely ignore it.

[moklianne]

Discussion on large races, for example... IKSAR! (wut?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAv2ZKyfVsM

http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/xmarie08/Hockey%20gifs%20memes/fozzie.gif

I really hope they know what they're doing :/

They probably are going to model Iksars after that reptilian race (dragorns) that was introduced in OOW, not original EQ. They were rather large.

[Vandy]

Crafting overview

http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1vza9v/eq_next_landmark_crafting_developer_diary/

[Swish]

I know "Landmark" is probably confined to making the world itself, but what I want to see is some old Diablo-esque randomly generated dungeons :p

[SamwiseRed]

I can already see all the player made content in the shape of penises and swastikas.

[a_gnoll_pup]

I can already see all the player made content in the shape of penises and swastikas.

http://i.imgur.com/Vhvlsin.jpg

bumping, possible alpha tomorrow

[odiecat99]

station cash? how many fuckin games they gonna ruin with this crap.

sub model is fine but pay to win? nah

[Swish]

station cash? how many fuckin games they gonna ruin with this crap.

sub model is fine but pay to win? nah

The sad thing is its becoming the standard for online games and fewer people are remembering the subscription models with fondness. Consoles are becoming a joke, buy BF4 without buying premium and you're not far from playing a demo of the game.

[mnemonikos82]

I don't get why this upsets people so much. I mean who cares how they get from point A to B, as long as point B is where you want to go. I personally am not getting involved in Landmark or any of this stuff, I just want to play the game when it comes out, that's all. I don't care how they make it.