What part of Red99 does Teams99 fix?

[Vayder]

The regular complaint about Red is the dominance of one guild and their ability to recruit by dangling the pixel carrot. Teams99 only makes this worse.

So is the only draw of a Teams99 an opportunity for a "wipe" of Red99 without having a wipe?

[Kinamara]

T99 is to the losing part of the R99 community what religion is to poor people. Hope for a different future and an excuse to not do something about the situation.

It solves nothing.

[Elderan]

It offers a fresh start and a more Blue experience.

That is all.

[Greegon]

t99 will be a fresh server, which is always 100% funner than being on a server where you already have 3 fungies manastones etc.

It has the potential to host more than 1 successful raiding guild, a server that can actually break 150 population without 30-40 fgts staying at the loginserver to give the illusion of a successful server. will attract more bluebies as well

don't be mad your pixel playground has the potential to get shut down, i'm not.
it's just a game

[Greegon]

also stfu elderan you retard probly got plvled to 60 so you could log on just for VP raids, talking about 'blue' you moran

[Zereh]

It's for those who are unable to form a cohesive team on the existing server.

[Thrilla]

It solves nothing but giving the failed player base another chance at 'winning' a server because apparently 60s with 2 to 3 days played isn't enough to dethrone a guild in a couple of +75 hp items.

Surprised staff is really considering giving a minority but vocal group the time of day. Let's be honest end result will be the same because of the time nilly is willing to invest but it's a victory in itself for this vocal minority to see nihilum temporarily shelf 2 year pixels

[runlvlzero]

I only see Nihilum crying about this. Which is funny because you want these scrubs to leave you alone every chance you get to post is about how they should just stfu, quit, or join the zerg.

You all should be jubilant about teams99 and velious soon.

[Lawler]

I only see Nihilum crying about this. Which is funny because you want these scrubs to leave you alone every chance you get to post is about how they should just stfu, quit, or join the zerg.

Nilly comin out in hordes to save their precious pixels.

[Lasher]

Dont look at it as a way to fix red99. Look at it as a new game. If your happy with red99 stay on it, its still here.

[Hughman]

Dont look at it as a way to fix red99. Look at it as a new game. If your happy with red99 stay on it, its still here.

A+

[Lowlife]

I only see Nihilum crying about this. Which is funny because you want these scrubs to leave you alone every chance you get to post is about how they should just stfu, quit, or join the zerg.

You all should be jubilant about teams99 and velious soon.

Fact.

Dont look at it as a way to fix red99. Look at it as a new game. If your happy with red99 stay on it, its still here.

Fact.

[HappyTr33z]

Dead99 out. Fun, fresh, and happenin' T99 soon-to-be in.

Fuck wut ya herd

[Nune]

Look at Nilly in mass bitching about T99. You fucks know what's coming. Saying this "solves" something is implying there's a problem, which there isn't. Your guild, and the dwindling handful of retards not in your guild have made a complete toilet of that server, if there's a problem, that would be it. T99 "solves" this by creating another place for people who enjoy PvP, and people who enjoy fresh start servers, to play. You put all your emphasis on the fact that hardcoded teams won't let you just port your mass of characters over to T99 some point and have a functional zerg. It's a joke how shook you guys come off as when a legitimate sliver of competition enters your moms basement.

[Thrilla]

Teams99 will be successful.... At splitting the community in half and that means more than just nilly, unless there is a substantial xp bonus as there exists now on red I can't see how starting from scratch with zero resources is appealing to anybody. Let's rehash the same old classic Kunark timeline for the 600th time. It took me almost 15 days played for my first 50 here, yea that was prior to the 20th wave of efforts from staff trying to make the game easier for the minority group. Really the entire thought has less to do about losing pixels then it does about rehashing the same content for the 500th time. I think staff will be surprised at how many players this new server will cost them both nilly n none

At a time btw when the server is averaging more than 160 pop a night with the pvp changes and upcoming resist fix, seems counterproductive to split the community now

[Lowlife]

Stay on red then.

[Zereh]

"Bitching" implies fucks are given.

I actually think it's a good thing because it will give the malcontents something new to focus on. Anything that will clear the airways of some of the non-stop stupidity is a positive.

[Nune]

Teams99 will be successful.... At splitting the community in half and that means more than just nilly, unless there is a substantial xp bonus as there exists now on red I can't see how starting from scratch with zero resources is appealing to anybody. Let's rehash the same old classic Kunark timeline for the 600th time. It took me almost 15 days played for my first 50 here, yea that was prior to the 20th wave of efforts from staff trying to make the game easier for the minority group. Really the entire thought has less to do about losing pixels then it does about rehashing the same content for the 500th time. I think staff will be surprised at how many players this new server will cost them both nilly n none

That's a lot of words to express a pointless opinion. People love fresh servers (the ONLY reason Sleeper had as high of a pop as it did, for as long as it did. That server was the worst server any of us had ever played, and stuck around as long as we did because it was fresh). It's obviously about losing pixels, if it wasn't then why would only 1 guild (Nihilium, by pure coincidence) be openly crying about it over and over. Blue will always have enough of a pop to thrive, Red is a shitbag no one rolls on anymore, T99 is the middle ground for everyone else. You dont HAVE to roll on that server. In fact, red will now be exactly what Supreme wanted: a server with uncontested, top end raiding

[Loto]

People are acting like the PvP fixes won't also be implemented on the new server. If anything, devs will hopefully be trying to solve more current PvP problems, faster, in order to make the new server a viable option in the near future.

[Vayder]

I only see Nihilum crying about this.

<--- Not in Nihilum. Just clueless as to why people who can't compete with Nihilum now think they will be able to compete within a ruleset that is even less favorable to the underdog.

[SamwiseRed]

who says t99 is a fix to red99? ffa is a shitty ruleset noone likes. why are you mad that they are giving us an alternative?

[Nune]

<--- Not in Nihilum. Just clueless as to why people who can't compete with Nihilum now think they will be able to compete within a ruleset that is even less favorable to the underdog.

I think your grasp on T99 is tentative at best. The rules and fresh start make Nilly the underdog, not everyone else.

[Nune]

who says t99 is a fix to red99? ffa is a shitty ruleset noone likes. why are you mad that they are giving us an alternative?

Big Wise, you know why they're mad. Hard to order Papa Johns with no bitcoins coming in

[runlvlzero]

<--- Not in Nihilum. Just clueless as to why people who can't compete with Nihilum now think they will be able to compete within a ruleset that is even less favorable to the underdog.

Your sure your not or have never been in Nihilum? How clean is your whistle? Have you ever grouped with HPT, or Ender? That player boxing/botting plagueis? Or heard Nizzar's sweet siren song screaming at you to train the enemy in seb?

[Vayder]

who says t99 is a fix to red99? ffa is a shitty ruleset noone likes. why are you mad that they are giving us an alternative?

Sam, I know you like the idea of good/evil duking it out (see: Vae Victis) and in theory it would be awesome. However you've been around long enough to know what actually will happen:

1) Those with the most time to commit/ambition will want to play with like minded players and will join the same team.
2) Aforementioned team will dominate causing frustrated players to reroll to join and new players to be a part of the winning side

Consider as well the impact this has on player retention:

Currently, if you have personal issues with someone in your guild, you can change sides. With teams ruleset you either ride solo with no hope of raiding or are forced to reroll.

[Vayder]

The rules and fresh start make Nilly the underdog, not everyone else.

Please enlighten me as to how the teams ruleset enables those with less time to rise up and dethrone those with more?

[HeisChuck]

Dont look at it as a way to fix red99. Look at it as a new game. If your happy with red99 stay on it, its still here.

lash piece dropping knowledge

[Twainz]

also stfu elderan you retard probly got plvled to 60 so you could log on just for VP raids, talking about 'blue' you moran

He bought a 60 shaman and paided Node to PL him to 60.

[Nune]

Please enlighten me as to how the teams ruleset enables those with less time to rise up and dethrone those with more?

You cant prevent that, in any MMO, with any ruleset. The more time you can put in to a game, the further along you'll be vs. someone with a job that can't play as much. Has nothing to do with T99; T99 will hardcode out a guild being able to have EVERY class, EVERY race : Nilly's only working advantage, seeing as timesink factor is absent of any games structure.

I pinned you as tentative, but I have highly misunderestimated you

[Jadian]

Nihilum's only legitimate complaint is nobody will want to play on the server they ruined anymore and they won't have "won" anything. That's the only reason they're against this server coming out. That guild is full of ego strokers who haven't succeeded at anything else, they NEED to feel like they're winning red to have any purpose. This new server is a threat to their entire sense of accomplishment, no wonder they're fighting it so hard.

[SamwiseRed]

Sam, I know you like the idea of good/evil duking it out (see: Vae Victis) and in theory it would be awesome. However you've been around long enough to know what actually will happen:

1) Those with the most time to commit/ambition will want to play with like minded players and will join the same team.
2) Aforementioned team will dominate causing frustrated players to reroll to join and new players to be a part of the winning side

Consider as well the impact this has on player retention:

Currently, if you have personal issues with someone in your guild, you can change sides. With teams ruleset you either ride solo with no hope of raiding or are forced to reroll.

not gonna lie, the thought of good vs evil makes me hard as fuck. i dont doubt there will be some guilds choosing a side but not everyone will agree. for one, i am 100% positive no doubt there are people who would leave nilly in a heartbeat if there was an alternative for pixels. people arent loyal to people, they are loyal to pixels sadly. t99 is a chance for everyone to break free. whether or not it turns to shit will be seen however the first month or 2 is gonna be epic as fuck. i dont want to assume anything, i just want some classic TEAMS PVP and I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SamwiseRed]

sorry i dont make sense. the thought of teams gets me worked up man. i am happy that the last experience with everquest i have will be teams pvp.

[Noselacri]

R99 is shit because the devs fucked with resists at the start, causing almost everyone to quit. When the playerbase was down to like 50, they all formed one guild and the server has been a circlejerk ever since. Few want to dedicate serious time to a server that imbalanced so it never really recovered, despite a slight growth recently. A new server is a new start with a chance for there not to be gamebreaking shit like resistable dispels, custom resist system and other garbage that screws with the PvP.

However, a teams ruleset is pretty meaningless if it isn't hardcoded because the only point of teams is so that there's always people you can rely on to help you, or at the very least not kill you. It makes it much harder for a server to become completely unbalanced and for new players to be griefed off the server before they even have a chance to get started. If they make teams where you can kill people on your own team, they completely defeat the purpose of teams and would be better off just wiping R99 (and fixing resists if those are still fucked, I dunno).

Plain R99 is better than soft teams because soft teams is a pointless system that does nothing but reduce the number of people you can group with. Hard teams serve a purpose the validity of which is arguable -- the PvP will be less pure, but there's a better chance of a balanced server. If they want to make a new server and not just redo R99, the only thing that makes sense is hardcoded teams. I would have preferred if R99 was classic from the start because that's pretty much the reason it failed, but that's too late now.

Hardcoded teams or the whole thing is pointless.

edit: ah shit wrong thread

[heartbrand]

Nihilum's only legitimate complaint is nobody will want to play on the server they ruined anymore and they won't have "won" anything. That's the only reason they're against this server coming out. That guild is full of ego strokers who haven't succeeded at anything else, they NEED to feel like they're winning red to have any purpose. This new server is a threat to their entire sense of accomplishment, no wonder they're fighting it so hard.

Pretty much the reason 20+ Nihilum are online on a Saturday Night to try to stop a rival guild from getting kills Nilly is barred from, thus raising guild morale and spurring a healthy, vibrant competition.

[Lowlife]

nihilum will be up and running faster then anyone else and they will grasp teams even harder

you would be wise to see this

thought teams wasn't even coming? lol

[Crenshinabon]

Fresh start, xp bonus thats on red now, working guards, possible 3 team split (better ruleset albeit less griefy), potential item loot

[Milton]

Smart money is on rmt, gonna be a month or more before you can make enough to pay rent from t99. :eek:

[NotKringe]

<--- Not in Nihilum. Just clueless as to why people who can't compete with Nihilum now think they will be able to compete within a ruleset that is even less favorable to the underdog.

Im not sure if serious or not... At the start of Red99 a few Nihilum had the jump to 50 and quickly organized groups to start taking down dragons within the first month.. When the rest of the server (holocaust at the time) caught up in levels and began actually contesting everything they were doing. We (at the time) literally took everything and halted their progression to nothing... It wasn't until we decided to exploit the same way they were for weeks and Rogean logged in and banned the entire guild (including 10 or so people who weren't even on) that the server was then handed over to them... That was basically the pinnacle at changing Red99..

Now do I think Holocaust would have lasted near as long as Nihilum has? No way... That group of people simply didn't have the resilience to endure pve that long. But I do think it would have changed "just the beginning of the server" and not allowed for the early foothold that was established so early on...

Basically in a nutshell, Almost all integrity for the server was lost after that ban (and getting anyone to come back and play hardcore) there was next to zero chance... Everyone then feared Rogean would login (on a whim like when this went down) and just ban entire guilds (including people not even on) and the months of time wasted would be all for nothing.

Fastforward to now...
There is a solid dev working on nothing but pvp code that does listen to the community.
Sirken/Zade and crew are atleast reasonable and can be dealt with on a Leadership basis if approached maturely.
Starting fresh in hopes of not a "repeat" of the beginning of Red99 is something people are looking for..
It allows people to chose a side and start at the beginning without any advantages from outside guilds in hopes they can either A) do something different this time or B) play under a different name to fit in (aka your tomatoes and runlvlzeros.)

[Fawqueue]

i am 100% positive no doubt there are people who would leave nilly in a heartbeat if there was an alternative for pixels. people arent loyal to people, they are loyal to pixels sadly. t99 is a chance for everyone to break free.

I agree with Sam on this. If you have been around the project long enough, you've seen this happen time and time again. People bend over backwards to get into the top guild, get their pixels, then realize that they are part of a quiet minority that absolutely hates some aspect about the leadership structure and decides they could do it better.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a group of players in Nihilum RIGHT NOW that are already discussing their own break-away guild come teams. Which is fine, more competition is always good.

[heartbrand]

I agree with Sam on this. If you have been around the project long enough, you've seen this happen time and time again. People bend over backwards to get into the top guild, get their pixels, then realize that they are part of a quiet minority that absolutely hates some aspect about the leadership structure and decides they could do it better.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a group of players in Nihilum RIGHT NOW that are already discussing their own break-away guild come teams. Which is fine, more competition is always good.

A lot of truth to this post. While there's a decent core in Nilly who are pals, there's quite a few people there 100% only to get pixels because there's no other alternative to do so. Nilly ain't awful, but it isn't for everyone, and unfortunately up to this point on Red99, there really has been no alternative if you still want to progress your character.

[Danien]

Teams99 creates a safe haven for lower level players, a natural us vs them scenario applicable for everyone as compared to here where only a few azrael feel like that. People don't worry about ruining their faction with the other team, nor do they feel like assholes when they kill them. It gives additional incentive for unfamiliar people to help each other and promotes community.

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[Mellor]

Teams99 creates a safe haven for lower level players, a natural us vs them scenario applicable for everyone as compared to here where only a few azrael feel like that. People don't worry about ruining their faction with the other team, nor do they feel like assholes when they kill them. It gives additional incentive for unfamiliar people to help each other and promotes community.

Highly agree... Teams will give a purpose for the casual player. A purpose of helping the lowbies on the team and defending zones while aiming to be part of the teams top guild. Hopefully there will be a raiding guild on each team. If 1 team becomes to dominant the two (or three) other teams can ally to take down the leading team.

[Dullah]

Highly agree... Teams will give a purpose for the casual player. A purpose of helping the lowbies on the team and defending zones while aiming to be part of the teams top guild. Hopefully there will be a raiding guild on each team. If 1 team becomes to dominant the two (or three) other teams can ally to take down the leading team.

All this will be well and good early on, but because its been 15 years since EQ came out, people who play now play more for the end game. In 1999 servers were bottom heavy (mostly lower levels), now all the servers are top heavy with the vast majority of the population being 50+.

Teams only makes matters worse when it comes to pvp and end game. Thats the issue, and thats why teams99 will only bring new problems, have a negative impact on the present pvp server, and fix nothing.

[Rec]

All the bad parts

[Danien]

All this will be well and good early on, but because its been 15 years since EQ came out, people who play now play more for the end game. In 1999 servers were bottom heavy (mostly lower levels), now all the servers are top heavy with the vast majority of the population being 50+.

Teams only makes matters worse when it comes to pvp and end game. Thats the issue, and thats why teams99 will only bring new problems, have a negative impact on the present pvp server, and fix nothing.

While I agree the game is going to be more top-heavy then live, I think for the server to actually be successful we need more then the max levels. I'd even say that teams would be better for high-level players because there is a way to funnel even the non-hardcore there if there's population along the way. Teams help the low/mid-levels, and that in extension helps the higher levels.

[Pudge]

Heh. Didn't read most of thread. But all the cries in jere here can be answered by this: Teams will bring a higher pop than R99 has currently. That is the only reason ppl want teams. If r99 had 400 pop no one would be complaining, but it doesn't.

[runlvlzero]

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[Rec]

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[tomato2]

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