Guild Leader?

[Feniggles]

whats it take? what makes people follow you?

[SamwiseRed]

time/dedication is pretty key. basically unemployed :)

[s1ckness]

good hair and a nice stash


Meatballed.org

[Supreme]

whats it take? what makes people follow you?

Determine the direction, set the pace and lead by example.

[Feniggles]

http://i.imgur.com/quzIfMu.gif?1

[Stasis01]

Basically have to be the biggest nerd on the box.

Tune/Nizzar definitely take it, sorry to say.

Lite gave a good effort - but having momentum of #1 spot sry Lite even 24/7 you won't change this shit box of little bitches.

[Stasis01]

If people weren't aware, Nizzar and Nihi crew farmed sky progression when pop would go to down to under 10 people at off times.

Nihi raid times would be like 30-50.

You cannot kill that has no life.

[Smedy]

yaw nihi core has shown that their motivation goes beyond pvp or pve, with every single pixel acquired and no one playing, they were still farming every week, very impressive dedication right there

[Stasis01]

The worst part is they funnel people into retirement and burn out just as fast as the resistance feeds them people.

This fucking system sucks so bad, and people just keep doing it.

[SamwiseRed]

more new players are joining nilly than the resistance. resistance cannot sustain itself when the only people who join it are vets who want to pvp.

[Stasis01]

The real question should be if everyone's on the same team.

Does everyone win, or does everyone lose.

[SamwiseRed]

first of all playing this emu already means you are losing. quitting is winning.

now that that is out of the way, whats the point of all those pixels if its just you and a bunch of nerds inspecting each other in vp? shits more blue than blue. if you goto nilly forums youll see new player after new player bounce on the nilly dick at level one. people are looking for the path of least resistance which reflects how most players are now. dont want to work for anything. i blame wow.

[Elderan]

Basically have to be the biggest nerd on the box.

Tune/Nizzar definitely take it, sorry to say.

Lite gave a good effort - but having momentum of #1 spot sry Lite even 24/7 you won't change this shit box of little bitches.

Stasis has no clue what it takes be a great guild leader because he doesn't understand server or guild dynamics.

[SamwiseRed]

sadly red isnt attracting pvpers. its attracting faggots like elderan who join the winning side right out the gate. people like elderan, destin, ect ect dont know anything about leadership. they are followers. they simply follow who is winning. had roles been reversed and azrael was winning, i am 100% sure they would have apped them instead.

[big mouth chew]

as leader of the only guild thats been here since day 1, im pretty sure all it takes is looking good and stayin positive :) in that order

[heartbrand]

first of all playing this emu already means you are losing. quitting is winning.

now that that is out of the way, whats the point of all those pixels if its just you and a bunch of nerds inspecting each other in vp? shits more blue than blue. if you goto nilly forums youll see new player after new player bounce on the nilly dick at level one. people are looking for the path of least resistance which reflects how most players are now. dont want to work for anything. i blame wow.

In most MMO's, you progress via raid content in a linear fashion. You need Big_Dragon01's loot, and a lot of it, in order to defeat Big_Dragon02 [with some skill allowing to make up part of the gear gap.] In EQ, until Planes of Power, and potentially even a bit later, there was realistically no gear checks, partly because there's no raid limit. Any "gear" check can be circumvented by just bringing more people. This means that the vast majority of loot in EverQuest is pretty much meaningless to overall success. People keep talking about this game like it's a lot more complicated and prestigious than it is. One heroic WoW raid is more difficult than all of the Velious and Kunark content combined. I wouldn't trust 98% of this server to be in my 10 man WoW heroic guild when I was going WoW hard [finally burned out after doing the last raid content before expac.]

[Elderan]

as leader of the only guild thats been here since day 1, im pretty sure all it takes is looking good and stayin positive :) in that order

Because the box is so small it actually makes it harder as a guild leader for many reasons.

[SamwiseRed]

i agree, everquest raiding is a zerg fest. the advantage to that is huge pvp battles however for whatever reason its a rare occasion here. everquest leveling is the most mind numbing thing ive ever forced myself to experience. its saving grace is the charm of the world. each race having a city, lots of dungeons, ect. eq is a very slow paced game compared to most mmos. i dont think anyone is claiming there is strategy or high skill involved.

[Stasis01]

Stasis has no clue what it takes be a great guild leader because he doesn't understand server or guild dynamics.

I know the dynamics of your role is to show up and press auto attack when told, that's a pretty awesome position you have and I am very jealous of it.

J/K there's no way I'd continue doing that - been there, sucks.

The hardcore playtime and addiction is why Nihi is on top, and it attracts that type of player in others.

Every server has had a top guild, Nihi isn't something special - PDM was the same on TZ.

I just can't imagine people doing this on a 100 pop EMU without burning out or really taking a hard look at their life, but different strokes Elderan.

[heartbrand]

There's no skill to being a guild leader on red99. There's a finite number of players, and everyone knows if they want loot they only have one option. People know that the key to getting loot is having as many people together in the same guild as possible. Nizzar's skill is as a raid leader. When it comes to "guild" leading, there's basically no membership say, no charter, no true app voting process, no guild bank accountability, etc. But people put up with it all because that's where you get loot. It's a monopoly, you don't like your comcast cable? Well get fucked then cuz we're the only show in town. Oh, you want to make your own cable company? Cool, good luck with that because we hold all the cable line permits etc., and will blackmail the government to prevent you from competing. You can't boycott gas stations if you want to drive, and you can't boycott Nihilum if you want loot.

[Elderan]

People keep talking about this game like it's a lot more complicated and prestigious than it is. One heroic WoW raid is more difficult than all of the Velious and Kunark content combined. I wouldn't trust 98% of this server to be in my 10 man WoW heroic guild when I was going WoW hard [finally burned out after doing the last raid content before expac.]

Wow is hard for different reasons then EQ. EQ was hard because of the orginzation and the unknown factors, or not knowing the fights and having no access to know them. You are playing wow as stuff is released or somewhat released and it is hard because of the personal click and movement factor. Wow is harder as an individual but not harder as a guild or group then the original EQ was.

Wow is hard like starcraft is hard. EQ is hard like playing dnd in someones house is.

[SamwiseRed]

Wow is harder as an individual but not harder as a guild or group then the original EQ was.

Wow is hard like starcraft is hard. EQ is hard like playing dnd in someones house is.

yup, we got a retard in the thread.

[Elderan]

There's no skill to being a guild leader on red99. There's a finite number of players, and everyone knows if they want loot they only have one option. People know that the key to getting loot is having as many people together in the same guild as possible. Nizzar's skill is as a raid leader. When it comes to "guild" leading, there's basically no membership say, no charter, no true app voting process, no guild bank accountability, etc. But people put up with it all because that's where you get loot. It's a monopoly, you don't like your comcast cable? Well get fucked then cuz we're the only show in town. Oh, you want to make your own cable company? Cool, good luck with that because we hold all the cable line permits etc., and will blackmail the government to prevent you from competing. You can't boycott gas stations if you want to drive, and you can't boycott Nihilum if you want loot.

But for the same reasons your posted above it is is hard to maintain a core unlike most servers. it is also a constant influx of new people to train and gear. It is hard to keep people motivated until most other servers.

Unlike a lot of leaders Nizzar is very level headed and understand that he needs to worry about HIS guild and not other guilds.

[heartbrand]

It's hard to keep people motivated because there's no incentive provided to stay motivated in Nihilum. It's a guild built around loot first. There's a reason there's so many veterans on the sidelines. Once you get geared up there's zero incentive provided to continue to play. You can "main change" but we see how that's fared so far for Thrilla and Raze. If, instead, the guild rewarded those who do the most such as Thrilla & Raze and others, it wouldn't need to recruit 500 people to keep replacing it's depleted ranks because you would be keeping your core engaged and interested and logging in. Obviously, a guild always needs to recruit to some extent to replenish those who quit, and to add skilled players, no one is going to dispute that, but at the same time if it were to cater more to the core players and allow them to be more involved, not charge someone like Arzak 20k for a trak BP, etc., it would see overall less burn out. That isn't meant to be some sort of scathing attack or calling Nihilum a shit guild, to be quite honest it's fine, it's just my opinion if it were to focus a little bit more on those who built it, it wouldn't need to always be looking to bring in so many new faces.

[Stasis01]

Charging 20k for a Trak BP funneled into runed mithril tunics is a good system to me, if I was Nizzar.

[Stasis01]

PS Heartbrand's right BTW, most people dislike Nihilum for what they do - not on a personal level, but they join them anyways because it's their only chance to max out their toons.

CAN"T BLAME THEM HEH HEH - just make sure you do the right thing and stop logging on or leave once your maxed pals.

[Dacuk]

imo three minimum requirements to be a good guild leader:

1) significant amount of playtime (> 6 hours a day, 6+ days a week)
2) bringing knowledge of the game to the table (either on your own, or a close pal)
3) willingness to invest in others

[Colgate]

Unlike a lot of leaders Nizzar is very level headed

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[Andis]

rofl eldermoran strike again!

[Cid]

Being successful and being good are two different things. Anyone with enough time and determination can be successful as a guild leader, yet still be the biggest douche on the server.
Through my time in EQ I have experienced several different types of leaders and even been one myself. The good ones are the humble ones that are willing to help people. When I was in that position I spent 90% of my time helping people do whatever they needed and I never asked anyone to do something that I wasn't willing to do myself twice.
It's very difficult to be like that, but those are the people who inspire loyalty and make you want to follow them and not pixels.

To be the "best" you can't be a good person. You make a choice pixels and integrity and since the only consequences are being bitched about on a forum like this, most people choose pixels. The other path is infinitely harder but it has its own rewards.

[Greegon]

Unlike a lot of leaders Nizzar is very level headed and understand that he needs to worry about HIS guild and not other guilds.

calls GMs retarded, just like you

[Elderan]

calls GMs retarded, just like you

GMs make bad calls too.. they are human after all.

[Stinkum]

GMs make bad calls too.. they are human after all.

So, GM makes call that inconveniences your exploiting guild from exploiting further.. And that entitles you to call them "retards" and verbally abuse them because they "make bad calls."

http://cdn.observedtrials.net/vb/attachments/f9/29208d1378164521-nils-rieker-misterlimelight-550x336px-ll-93d4d87c_south-park-nice.jpeg

[Elderan]

So, GM makes call that inconveniences your exploiting guild from exploiting further.. And that entitles you to call them "retards" and verbally abuse them because they "make bad calls."

Pretty sure I never called a gm a retard..

But they are like referees or umpires.. sometimes they make bad calls.

[Supreme]

Pretty sure I never called a gm a retard..

But they are like referees or umpires.. sometimes they make bad calls.

And those calls are reversed if they are infact bad calls. Ala Holocaust.

The difference is that the team usually moves on and continues to compete...not cry for almost TWO YEARS after the fact and use it is a crutch for their incompetence and poor game play.

Good leadership would have guided Holocaust through it and they would have persevered in the long run.

[big mouth chew]

theres no statute of limitations on EverCrimes tho

[HippoNipple]

A good leader has:

-Charisma - fun to group with, social personality

-EQ Knowledge - know the PvE content

-Level Headed - Know how to dissect a situation, see both sides, and make the best decision.

-Selfless - putting the guild first at all times

-5-10 hours a day to dedicate to EQ

-A group of 4-8 loyal friends with high play times that also have knowledge of the game

-Organizational skills - puts in time to organize a schedule, has clear goals, organizes the guild quick and efficiently.

[Taboo]

I ran an eq2 pvp guild for several expansions as number one on the server and I can tell you this, I could not have stayed in control as long as we did without being a dick sometimes.

I had to always seems like my way was the best way even when I made mistakes. I had to play more hours than I actually worked in a week. I had to keep people in the guild I could not stand just because they played as many hours as me and made raid calls. I booted people I liked because they could not play as much as I needed them to.

It was always said that we had the most skilled players on the server and thats why we got so many server firsts. Not really. When you have alot of people willing to throw themselves at mobs for hours on end it does not take long before you figure aoe timers, DD's and where to stand. Everquest itself has a written guide for every mob in the game by now.

When one guild begins to run the path to loot you will stay with them not because you like the people but because what other choice is there ? Not saying that is the case here but I can see that as a reason. So you pick your inner circle and deal with the rest of the jerks to make sure you can enjoy some raid time.

Was I a good leader? Yes because I gave the guild the ability to get loot. No because I booted some really cool players for those whose only claim to fame was alot of hours played.

One thing I never did was horde loot. I kept enough to cover repairs and corpse runs and the rest I gave back to the guild. I'm not sure if thats done here when I hear of people having to buy loot from your own guild. Kinda weird but if the guildies put up with it, noone is to blame.

Just another perspective.

[HippoNipple]

I ran an eq2 pvp guild for several expansions as number one on the server and I can tell you this, I could not have stayed in control as long as we did without being a dick sometimes.

I had to always seems like my way was the best way even when I made mistakes. I had to play more hours than I actually worked in a week. I had to keep people in the guild I could not stand just because they played as many hours as me and made raid calls. I booted people I liked because they could not play as much as I needed them to.

It was always said that we had the most skilled players on the server and thats why we got so many server firsts. Not really. When you have alot of people willing to throw themselves at mobs for hours on end it does not take long before you figure aoe timers, DD's and where to stand. Everquest itself has a written guide for every mob in the game by now.

When one guild begins to run the path to loot you will stay with them not because you like the people but because what other choice is there ? Not saying that is the case here but I can see that as a reason. So you pick your inner circle and deal with the rest of the jerks to make sure you can enjoy some raid time.

Was I a good leader? Yes because I gave the guild the ability to get loot. No because I booted some really cool players for those whose only claim to fame was alot of hours played.

One thing I never did was horde loot. I kept enough to cover repairs and corpse runs and the rest I gave back to the guild. I'm not sure if thats done here when I hear of people having to buy loot from your own guild. Kinda weird but if the guildies put up with it, noone is to blame.

Just another perspective.

Good post, shows there is a difference between a good leader and a successful raid leader.

[HippoNipple]

On this server it is more likely a good leader won't get you the most pixels, but will provide you with the most fun.

[heartbrand]

What server were you on for eq2?

[Andis]

Being successful and being good are two different things. Anyone with enough time and determination can be successful as a guild leader, yet still be the biggest douche on the server.
Through my time in EQ I have experienced several different types of leaders and even been one myself. The good ones are the humble ones that are willing to help people. When I was in that position I spent 90% of my time helping people do whatever they needed and I never asked anyone to do something that I wasn't willing to do myself twice.
It's very difficult to be like that, but those are the people who inspire loyalty and make you want to follow them and not pixels.

To be the "best" you can't be a good person. You make a choice pixels and integrity and since the only consequences are being bitched about on a forum like this, most people choose pixels. The other path is infinitely harder but it has its own rewards.

good post, I agree with this alot...

[Taboo]

Nagafen. I was Quantum Leap of Havoc

[heartbrand]

I had a shit ton of fun on EQ2, I played on AB, was in the top guild there for a long time. I miss the competition over the Avatars & shit.

[Taboo]

Ahh yea it is very tiring for sure but I had fun in the beginning. When fairies started coming out well that was going too far. Mass pvp was always the most fun.

[runlvlzero]

Eldertard your ignorance about gaming in general shines through, does your mom play your character while you tell her what to do? (and obviously she blatantly ignores you, yet you claim success anyway)

Also everyone else u pretty much have it spot on.

[iiNGloriouS]

Nagafen. I was Quantum Leap of Havoc

Ah, a fellow Nagafener? Roughly when did you quit? I played under the names Reclamation, Demonicone and Wulolwen but your name wasn't TOO familiar... (oh and shortly a t4 templar twink named Incubi)

[Taboo]

Day one of server opening. Till shoot around the fairie deal.

[iiNGloriouS]

Ahh yeah I really didn't hit my stride on Naggy til Faydark, but I ran with Insurrection during that time up until Kunark.

[Cid]

People seem to have confused the role of a guild leader and raid leader. Too often they are the same person but this is usually a terrible decision. One person having total control over a guild almost always leads to that person becoming corrupted or abusing the power for the personal gain of themself and their friends.

The leader should play a role similar to oil in an engine. They keep everything running smoothly and not tearing each other apart or locking up. A raid leader MUST be a dick at times, it is a requirement for success. The guild leader is supposed to be the person preventing that dick from taking over the guild.

[pharmakos]

a guild leader's main purpose imo should be to facilitate communication between other members of the guild

Cid has a good point about the difference between a raid leader and a guild leader

[s1ckness]

supreme still talking about holocaust 2 years later?

whats new

[NotKringe]

People seem to have confused the role of a guild leader and raid leader. Too often they are the same person but this is usually a terrible decision. One person having total control over a guild almost always leads to that person becoming corrupted or abusing the power for the personal gain of themself and their friends.

The leader should play a role similar to oil in an engine. They keep everything running smoothly and not tearing each other apart or locking up. A raid leader MUST be a dick at times, it is a requirement for success. The guild leader is supposed to be the person preventing that dick from taking over the guild.


There are several types of "guildleaders" per se..
2 Totally different leaders Furor (dictatorship)
Thott (Core group comes first) were very successful guildleaders.

A good guild leader is a huge proponent of team, but at the same time can and will be a dick to those who deserve it. He doesn't demand respect from anyone it is earned by his effort put towards the "team" (guild) and usually a person who has a plethora of knowledge of the game and if he doesn't knows how to reach out to others who do in correcting situations he isn't aware of. He/She is usually motivated and doesn't allow to much stagnant in the guild... A constant reminder of how to make the team better as a whole... IE: in Lull time hey man go farm this or that, lock it down as it will help us 10fold in our next huge battle, which essentially what we all are here for.

These guys/gals are few inbetween and are sometimes often misunderstood as dick heads or tyrants... Those people do not see the bigger picture..

[Andis]

People seem to have confused the role of a guild leader and raid leader. Too often they are the same person but this is usually a terrible decision. One person having total control over a guild almost always leads to that person becoming corrupted or abusing the power for the personal gain of themself and their friends.

The leader should play a role similar to oil in an engine. They keep everything running smoothly and not tearing each other apart or locking up. A raid leader MUST be a dick at times, it is a requirement for success. The guild leader is supposed to be the person preventing that dick from taking over the guild.

[Taboo]

For the old eq 2 players look up Havoc cockblocking or havoc vs Onyx 4 on 4 on you tube. Real pvp at its finest :) old i know but nostolgic for sure. there is another of the server pvp first of the ante chamber turtle basterd but cannot find it.

[Taboo]

And to touch on the difference between guild leader and raid leader def should not be the same person. But who do you follow the general or the president ?

[Greegon]

lol

[Knuckle]

whats it take? what makes people follow you?

lots of hours of playtime, a willingness to do raids that have zero benefit for yourself beyond gearing your pals. to be a great guildleader you need social skills and be funny and shit. thats about it.

[Knuckle]

oh yeah and know the game inside and out.

[pharmakos]

oh yeah and know the game inside and out.

even this doesn't matter that much as long as you

1. don't pretend you know more than you do

2. can communicate quickly and efficiently

and 3. know which guildies will know the answers in which situations

[Taboo]

If you came here to kill people why are you all in the same guild where your not killing people. defeats the purpose i think but i did not go to school for it.. split the fuck up! thats the easy fix
why does that seem so hard?

[Taboo]

So simple really. NiHi split your guild in 2 and have fackin fun. or not.

[Rellapse35]

anyone here for pvp is an idiot btw, that's why theres only 1 guild on the server. EQ is about raiding.


exactly

[Andis]

you bluebies make me sick

stfu lol

[Tassador]

A good guild leader is like a pimp. all hardcore eq raiders and bluebies are whores and you need a strong pimp hand to keep those bitches at bay! Crying over loot and sucking cacks for pixels.

[Stasis01]

they aren't here for pvp

anyone here for pvp is an idiot btw, that's why theres only 1 guild on the server. EQ is about raiding.

pvp is fun at times but you aren't meant to take it serious, and there should be no leaderboard ( or yellow text )

You sir are the idiot.

If you had any experience on red99 you'd realise that content in Kunark is easy to cockblocked especially with no variance.

All world dragons and raid mobs are done on one day, and then it's essentially Trak/VP - 3 days a week you have to go hard which is pretty average for even most WOW guilds nowadays.

The rule set has made this box what it is, and if you enjoy raiding really it's your best option considering you'll have a complete monopoly and no lifers that will always be there.

I personally liked a lot of different aspects of TZ such as holding zones from the opposite team, raiding, and PVP. This server is very one dimensional and boring in my eyes, but I don't think anyone could change up how it will be with the FFA ruleset.

The very most we could hope for is Nizzar would quit, but honestly, Lite would probably do the same thing - the rule set will always make for a monopoly, Velious might change it with more content and different types of encounters - we'll see.

I wouldn't mind for a guild from another game/server to come over as an incorruptible unit. (I know Force was like meridian, and Holo - but they really were mostly talk).

[Sektor]

First off, im pro variance, and ive been saying that since the roll.

Second, you are a crybaby who is borderline suicidal and you should just quit ( like you said you did months ago )

Third you joined nihilum for a year and raided and now you are crying that others do it. AKA you are fucking dumb.

hasn't been about pvp for a while now, remember?

Time to go be a dad remember? haha

ill buy you a pack of razors if you use them.

agreed with this post minus the RL attacks

[Stasis01]

He's saying there needs to be more guilds for PVE, when there's only enough content for one guild with the current rule set/expansion.

You need to lay off the crack tomato, the fact that you haven't even played end game and you rage this hard on the forums over things that don't even affect you is crazy.

I don't blame people for joining Nihilum, I blame people like Rexx for acting big and tough and then BITCHING OUT, there's a difference. These are usually people with elitist attitudes that come here and get their asses pounded hard and I like to point out that fact.

You should really level a character up and experience the end game before you make ridiculous assumptions wasting my god time reading them dumb fuck.

[Greegon]

heh dont mind tomato his blood sugar is low needs a snickers bar

[pharmakos]

they aren't here for pvp

anyone here for pvp is an idiot btw, that's why theres only 1 guild on the server. EQ is about raiding.

pvp is fun at times but you aren't meant to take it serious, and there should be no leaderboard ( or yellow text )

on blue if someone fucks you over, all you can do is /petition and hope the GMs do something

on red you can actually seek retribution against the assholes. this is why i'm here.

[Andis]

must agree with big dog stasis here

tomato needs to eliminate himself from these boards

his constant spew of illegitimacy is ruining possible new players,

as he knows nothing and will continue to be the biggest nonfactor this server has ever seen

congrats to tomato

[runlvlzero]

On red you can "Hope" to seek retribution. GL getting some pals on bored, because most of the assholes here run in packs.

And Andis/Ames, ur lettin tomato troll u.

[pharmakos]

On red you can "Hope" to seek retribution. GL getting some pals on bored, because most of the assholes here run in packs.

And Andis/Ames, ur lettin tomato troll u.

so pessimistic

almost nihilistic