PVE>PVP

[Rellapse35]

Need a 2nd guild about dem pixels

[Smedy]

Yaw, bluebies win at everquest thats something i've learned, can't beat those pve encounters just to hard to stay focused for longer then 5 minutes if there isn't pvp going on

[Colgate]

nihilum already appeals to those who want pixels; they get basically every mob by zerging it

there aren't enough people who both want a pve focus and have integrity on this server for a 2nd pve oriented guild to work

[heartbrand]

What has been most shocking to me on this server is the unwillingness of people to shake things up. Right now with nihilum raiding 40+ deep, if you're a new app you have zero shot at any of the loot you'd be hoping for: PD loot, AoN etc., and you'll get all the loot you could've gotten anyway without having to raid. If instead these people would make their own guild of 24 people to compete, they'd ultimately get far more pixels, do so more with more excitement, and have thriving competition.

[freez]

buuuuuuuuut people are gay for the most part

put quite simply

[Elderan]

What has been most shocking to me on this server is the unwillingness of people to shake things up. Right now with nihilum raiding 40+ deep, if you're a new app you have zero shot at any of the loot you'd be hoping for: PD loot, AoN etc., and you'll get all the loot you could've gotten anyway without having to raid. If instead these people would make their own guild of 24 people to compete, they'd ultimately get far more pixels, do so more with more excitement, and have thriving competition.

You know that is not true.

Any app once they become full member will get loaded with everything they want except maybe the 3-4 most rare items in the game. making their own guild would not hasten that process at all for many reasons.

This is why Nihilum is hard to beat when it comes to recruiting. The vast majority of the guild already has those items the new people want so we are able to funnel that gear much quicker then any new guild would be able to.

[Sektor]

when velious comes out gonna be so much content

[heartbrand]

You can get all the rot loots you need in nihilum in under a month, and then you're basically on the six month wait list for the four items everyone wants. My point is that if people were more motivated, including nihilum vets who have no incentive to continue raiding, you could form a smaller guild and ultimately get more overall pixels.

[runlvlzero]

The problem is not that red players can't PvE. Their too busy fucking eachother over to stay on top of YT/KDR and "I'm alpha" to follow a leader.

There's a ton of players out there who would be more than happy to join a guild and level and kill pixels so Nihilum isn't the only one. But than you have assholes griefing all those players off the box or encouraging them to join nihilum through, solo play, and outright ganking even though there's no challenge in it.

[heartbrand]

How many times has nihilum left PD up or nexona up or druushk up because of scheduling or what not? If you had a reliable dedicated crew of 24, you could kill those dragons and gear up far faster, and this will be especially true in velious where gear will be incredibly dispersed across a 200 person roster. There's a reason in MMO's guilds close recruitment, because having gear dispersed across too many people who can't use said gear to help advance the guild is ultimately detrimental. This hasn't been a huge issue in Kunark because the content is so easy, but will become an issue in velious.

[Rellapse35]

nihilum already appeals to those who want pixels; they get basically every mob by zerging it

there aren't enough people who both want a pve focus and have integrity on this server for a 2nd pve oriented guild to work

Then why in the fuck do any of you people think Teams is the answer?

Eq is about pixels it takes so many fucking hours to lvl up people get invested. They do not wanna keep walking around in rags after investing that much time, so they seek a guild for pixels.

Teams will have everyone on one side getting pixels 99% of the population while the other side is crying on the forums. I guess

Takes 25 motivated people to obtain any of the kunark gear but people rather cry then go kill something.

Teams is not the answer.

[Colgate]

never said i thought teams server was a good idea

best thing for red99 is to permaban a select few people that ruin box integrity, make a more coherent list of rules/expectations, stick to it, and then wipe the box and try ffa over again

[heartbrand]

Teams is not a ruleset I like at all, but from having read the forums there's tons of bluebies who love teams as a ruleset, and it takes bluebies to make guilds that work that can ultimately compete and create a thriving environment. Despite what elderan says, the issue isn't that nihilum gets most of the mobs which is classic. It's that nihilum gets 99.9% of them which demoralizes everyone else. On blue, TMO gets most but you still know you have a shot in the other guilds + a vibrant economy. If it was even 80/20 here or 90/10, I think you would see a far higher pop and healthier server. Teams will likely provide such an environment.

[Andis]

sirken confirmed, no wipe ever

simple solution to this problem:

grow a pair of nuts

[hagard]

NEWS TEAM ASSEMBLE

[runlvlzero]

The newbies who aren't in nihilum yet suck at pve, the pvp leaders not in nihilum suck at dealing with those noobs, and or arent that good at pve themselves and are too much prima donnas to listen to someone bad at pvp, who can lead the pve shit.

[runlvlzero]

and they spend their entire time on the box pissing off and alienating the people who could lead them to greatness because their not wearing a tag.

[lite]

sirken can't hide on ledges, and i am only getting better at VP training. no loot inc for faggots seeking easy road. You will be griefed so fucking hard. I will be surprised if we ever have to train you again with the anti pull team that is almost done being keyed right now. You thought stasis was bad?

[lite]

Sirken = "you"

[HippoNipple]

I'm pretty sure no one will ever contest the content Nihilum goes after. Nihilum shows impressive and sickening dedication to dominating the server and I don't see the force in this community to overcome it. If dragons are contested their first reaction isn't how do we beat the opposition head on next time, its how do we eliminate the threat. I don't really know what you can do to a team that is willing to push spawn times to off peak hours.

The server needs a couple great leaders in PvE, with high play times, diplomacy and patience, to lead a new fun guild. This leader needs to understand they won't accomplish as much by leading this guild as they would if they joined Nihilum as far as pixels go.

It is hard to find someone that dedicated, qualified and selfless. They would literally be holding themselves back for the good of the guild and server.

If you get a strong core of players they can create a fun guild with a large number of casuals. Eventually there is no reason a guild with this atmosphere couldn't compete against Nihilum during peak hours. The second tier guild on this server needs to have the mind set that they are going to get what they can and slowly progress through content. Nihilum should be an after thought for a very long time. There is much to enjoy besides the raiding Nihilum does.

[HippoNipple]

The next guild needs to understand their guilds play times and focus on what they can accomplish during those peak hours. Keep it organized so you know what is available and take down what you can when the guild is at peak numbers. Velious will obviously help with this but with the influx of new blue players to this server there is still a lot of content for a new guild.

For you geared out vets with high play times that are not in Nihilum, I see why you are frustrated. If you are completely geared out and the only progression left relies on a guild to contest VP content or dragons that spawn at 6 am, PvE progression isn't going to happen. You are going to have to find something else to enjoy on this server or just give it up. If you finally do take the plunge into Nihilum and start raiding at 6 am you might find it isn't all it was cracked up to be.

[Elderan]

sirken can't hide on ledges, and i am only getting better at VP training. no loot inc for faggots seeking easy road. You will be griefed so fucking hard. I will be surprised if we ever have to train you again with the anti pull team that is almost done being keyed right now. You thought stasis was bad?

Sad little boy who lives at his parents house still...

[Sektor]

sirken can't hide on ledges, and i am only getting better at VP training. no loot inc for faggots seeking easy road. You will be griefed so fucking hard. I will be surprised if we ever have to train you again with the anti pull team that is almost done being keyed right now. You thought stasis was bad?

M E G A R A G E

[Sektor]

Sad little boy who lives at his parents house still...

Not to mention Lite cheats on his girlfriend and brags about it to online buddies. This guy is a winner. A true leader.

[runlvlzero]

What has been most shocking to me on this server is the unwillingness of people to shake things up. Right now with nihilum raiding 40+ deep, if you're a new app you have zero shot at any of the loot you'd be hoping for: PD loot, AoN etc., and you'll get all the loot you could've gotten anyway without having to raid. If instead these people would make their own guild of 24 people to compete, they'd ultimately get far more pixels, do so more with more excitement, and have thriving competition.

Y'know hb is right, but people are gay.

[HippoNipple]

Y'know hb is right, but people are gay.

A big problem with this is when content is done. Nihilum won't face a force of 20-30 if they can manage to avoid it, and they can.

You need to be able to log in at 6 am with a force of 24 people, and that's not fun or realistic.

[Sektor]

A big problem with this is when content is done. Nihilum won't face a force of 20-30 if they can manage to avoid it, and they can.

You need to be able to log in at 6 am with a force of 24 people, and that's not fun or realistic.

To be honest those 6 am raids aren't so bad. It only takes an hour and a half and I end up getting more stuff done in the apartment and I get into work early.

[big mouth chew]

kunark gear sucks and classic shit is even worse
not sure what all the fuss is about

[Retti_]

I love waking up to coffee dragons and egos

[Colgate]

sektor makes fun of a guy for having sexual relations with multiple females while simultaneously telling us he enjoys waking up at 5 AM to kill pixelated dragons

HEH

[Sektor]

sektor makes fun of a guy for having sexual relations with multiple females while simultaneously telling us he enjoys waking up at 5 AM to kill pixelated dragons

HEH

Getting married bro. If he was single that's one thing. Guy is a creep and a pretty awful person. Not someone is like to be around.

[Twainz]

Sad little boy who lives at his parents house still...

How is Tune anyway?

[HippoNipple]

To be honest those 6 am raids aren't so bad. It only takes an hour and a half and I end up getting more stuff done in the apartment and I get into work early.


Well the reality of it is if another guild tried to do the same thing Nihilum would change it to 8 am. Nihilum will always take it a step further. After some time goes by you guys will probably be back to normal times all week since the spirit of the opposition will be crushed. 6 AM raids are just to avoid the competition and crush it with boredom.

Other guilds have to stop worrying about what Nihilum does and try to have fun with what is available during normal hours.

[runlvlzero]

Also its more like 34 people at 8am. But yeah.

[vouss]

Hipponipple you are usually really spot on with your posts but the guild you just described to me sounds a lot like Azreal. AlSO its not like nihilum to move spawn times, if we ever showed up wih 24 people at sixx am, nihilum would show up with 30

[Retti_]

Success

[Supreme]

Just like dealing with a troublesome child....Nihilum will find a way to overcome the training of VP.

As for pixels i suspect Velious to be out sooner rather than later...and then it is on to ToV loots which will make those 4 items everyone is waiting for moot.

Burn your bridges with Nihilum now and piss off the Duke...you will be the one having to drown yourself in the rivers of Feerott to wash away your sins!

[Milton]

Just like dealing with a troublesome child....Nihilum will find a way to overcome the training of VP.

As for pixels i suspect Velious to be out sooner rather than later...and then it is on to ToV loots which will make those 4 items everyone is waiting for moot.

Burn your bridges with Nihilum now and piss off the Duke...you will be the one having to drown yourself in the rivers of Feerott to wash away your sins!

This homeboy would totally suck nizzars dick irl, no homo, its about respect. :cool:

[heartbrand]

Robe of Azure sky and Crown pretty damn good even compared to Vulak loot, but yes, if you want Vulak'Aerr loot, you need a <nihilum> tag on red99, there's no disputing that bros.

[Elderan]

Robe of Azure sky and Crown pretty damn good even compared to Vulak loot, but yes, if you want Vulak'Aerr loot, you need a <nihilum> tag on red99, there's no disputing that bros.

Overall though VP loot is pretty disappointing with epics in.

[HippoNipple]

Hipponipple you are usually really spot on with your posts but the guild you just described to me sounds a lot like Azreal. AlSO its not like nihilum to move spawn times, if we ever showed up wih 24 people at sixx am, nihilum would show up with 30

Azrael just has a toxic feeling when looking at it from the outside. Maybe there are small groups within the guild that enjoy themselves but for the most part it seems like everyone is just pissed off in that guild. Azrael's sole purpose is to beat Nihilum and it just sets them up for disappointment. It also doesn't allow them to have a personality since they are forced to recruit everyone they can to somehow out zerg Nihilum one day.

There are small pvp guilds that have their own personality like fair fighters and the aim guild. It would be nice if there was a PvE guild with that attitude. Who cares if you are just raiding sky?

Does Azrael organize themselves to see what is available to raid for its members, or do they just think of how they can piss off Nihilum?

Organized PvP is one thing and a good guild should have a healthy balance on this server of PvE and PvP.

[runlvlzero]

Azrael just has a toxic feeling when looking at it from the outside. Maybe there are small groups within the guild that enjoy themselves but for the most part it seems like everyone is just pissed off in that guild. Azrael's sole purpose is to beat Nihilum and it just sets them up for disappointment. It also doesn't allow them to have a personality since they are forced to recruit everyone they can to somehow out zerg Nihilum one day.

There are small pvp guilds that have their own personality like fair fighters and the aim guild. It would be nice if there was a PvE guild with that attitude. Who cares if you are just raiding sky?

Does Azrael organize themselves to see what is available to raid for its members, or do they just think of how they can piss off Nihilum?

Organized PvP is one thing and a good guild should have a healthy balance on this server of PvE and PvP.

Pretty spot on. Shitting on Nihilum would be great, but ya'll will never retain players if thats your only goal. And ya'll will never elevate scrubs and generate loyalty out of the fresh players on the box.

Right now they just turn right over into Nihilum.

[Elderan]

Azrael just has a toxic feeling when looking at it from the outside. Maybe there are small groups within the guild that enjoy themselves but for the most part it seems like everyone is just pissed off in that guild. Azrael's sole purpose is to beat Nihilum and it just sets them up for disappointment. It also doesn't allow them to have a personality since they are forced to recruit everyone they can to somehow out zerg Nihilum one day.

There are small pvp guilds that have their own personality like fair fighters and the aim guild. It would be nice if there was a PvE guild with that attitude. Who cares if you are just raiding sky?

Does Azrael organize themselves to see what is available to raid for its members, or do they just think of how they can piss off Nihilum?

Organized PvP is one thing and a good guild should have a healthy balance on this server of PvE and PvP.

I have said this many times.

When you are so focused on another guild you cannot see your own guild falling apart.

[HippoNipple]

I have said this many times.

When you are so focused on another guild you cannot see your own guild falling apart.

As a second tier guild it is tougher to be the guild leader. You have to work hard to keep your guildmates happy and you have to be much less selfish. You can't use people for your own agenda or hate towards another guild.

Nizzar has the advantage of being the leader of Nihilum. He can do whatever he wants because he controls the pixels on this server. He can treat people like garbage at this point and get away with it because he has leverage. I'm sure Nizzar acted differently towards the guild when it was first created.

[Retti_]

Lite uses his members to protect his rez box group and trains

Also awards the occasional worthy loot to those that share login info with him even tho the normal warm body that sits there on a 4 hour royals or 6 hour sky raid is forced to endure him fumbling around attempting a 3 box of bard tank and cleric

[Salem Orchid]

Yeah that's not actually the case. For the two weeks we were able to contest and take mobs we talked about what we wanted as a guild, and griefing Nihilum is not the reason.

[Salem Orchid]

Azrael is a casual high end alternative to Nihilum. Not looking to log on for every dragon kill and zerg it down with 40+ people? Still want to PVP and get some nice gear? Azrael is a good choice for you.

[Retti_]

Ya camping heiro w 3 humans and 6 characters or wiping on island 1 for 3 hours is truely a grand time

Lite cant even walk and chew bubble gum let alone lead any kind of progress he needs to let people with experience make some play calls

[Salem Orchid]

I'm more interested in waking up at 6am before my scheduled FF 14 and WoW raids to slay some dragons myself

[Labanen]

Domingueros did some lowbie raids and controla was pretty cool, dunno why they died though, only ever see bolo and his alts wear the tag these days...

[lite]

Azrael is a casual high end alternative to Nihilum. Not looking to log on for every dragon kill and zerg it down with 40+ people? Still want to PVP and get some nice gear? Azrael is a good choice for you.

if people didn't get that after we skipped dragons even after winning the previous match, idk waht to tell ya. getting gear after a certain point just becomes decoration. Wouldn't expect people who seek easy mode to understand that. Azrael is for the type of people who'd rather quit than farm uncontested content. we all did the raid scene in our teens. When we were contesting nilly and beating their asses before they mass recruited, anyone can vouch that i just had no interest in meeting them at every target. shit got so old so quick.

[Retti_]

I'm more interested in waking up at 6am before my scheduled FF 14 and WoW raids to slay some dragons myself

Spending 2 hours drinking coffee before work and making gains on my fantasy cleric one day a week

Or spend 4 hours wiping to groupable content after work 5 days a week and playing pokemon online

Hmmmmmmmm

[heartbrand]

ff14 was a month worth of fun

[runlvlzero]

When I was 19 last year I really wanted to kill dragons infront of Nili, now I just want to farm those fungi tunics with my 3 best pals all day long making that sweet sweet onion sauce...

[lite]

anyways, as heartbrand has stated the past. the issue of this server is purely population oriented.

[Salem Orchid]

hmmmm, paying attention to my children, spending some time with my daughter before work.. or playing everquest.. hmmm

[Retti_]

Ur daughters awake that early? Or are u a mad virgin tossing pokeballs online?

[Salem Orchid]

If your daughter asked you what you are doing right now would you tell her that you arguing with a 20 year old over who plays the best on a 14 year old elf simulator

[Salem Orchid]

There's no winning when your addictions hurt the people around you

[Retti_]

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Im at work and ur mad

[Salem Orchid]

Last time you camped heiro cloak, I killed you and whiped your group.

[Salem Orchid]

sounds FUN

[Retti_]

Remember when I killed u in kith forest and you cried for 6 months

[Salem Orchid]

Remember when you killed me kith forest because you were still butthurt over the time I "golem wanded and dropped a bane on you" while we were fighting together?

[Salem Orchid]

How's Heresy doing btw?

[Retti_]

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[Salem Orchid]

HEH

[Salem Orchid]

I get the feeling you do your work a lot like you do your parenting, by squandering your time over a 14 year old elf simulator

[Retti_]

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[Salem Orchid]

^ PVE > PVP

[Classic]

Salem everyone knows you were boxing in the hole b4 it "went live".

[big mouth chew]

nope we had too many warm bodies in the hole & that was the problem
if any of us were boxing in there we'd still be boxing in there :P
(6 can keep a secret if 5 are being boxed)

[Stinkum]

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[Sektor]

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lol owned

[runlvlzero]

Retti so damn mad he posted a different mad gif in every single thread.

[Sektor]

Retti so damn mad he posted a different mad gif in every single thread.

naw

[Retti_]

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[Rellapse35]

2nd PVE guild just focused on doing epics and having fun would work.

[jeffd]

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[jeffd]

bonus pts since that thing appears to be an elf of sum kind

[jeffd]

i'm not in either guild & i play once every 2 weeks???????????????

[Colgate]

yeah

yes

[Greegon]

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jebus though rellapse just come back to azrael we raid planar trash and do epics all the time.. come get some loots and fight the scrubs