Missing Racnars in Veeshan's Peak

[Ele]

Issue: Possible missing racnars in VP.

Resolution: Add two racnars to the entry of the picture room, south of 1000, 0.

Summary: While doing some Velious research, I ran across this picture of Afterlife scouting in Veeshan's Peak. The picture depicts what appears to be two stationary racnars at the entrance to what is commonly called the "picture room", just south of 1000, 0 in the usually referenced picture for pathers.

http://i.imgur.com/IxOdhsF.jpg

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Map_veeshanspeak.jpg

[nilbog]

Fixed, pending update.

[nilbog]

Also, pending update,

-added 3 missing elven dancers
-a few lava drakes
-removed racnars from nexona room/replaced with a drake

These are correct as per research and eqmac information.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Good fix NILBERG and Ele. I would treat both of you with a piping hot Blooming Onion that can be found at your local Outback Steakhouse.

You two deserve it!

[Ele]

Also, pending update,

-added 3 missing elven dancers


http://i.imgur.com/GjvIcHx.gif

[nilbog]

Hmm, and some more.

-lava drakes will cast spells...

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Hmm, and some more.

-lava drakes will cast spells...

You sure they're casters? or just do a big ass proc whatever if they hit you?

[nilbog]

I'm positive.

[Heebo]

Isn't the EQMac VP a revamped version? I'm not sure if that would have any effect on using it as a source for changes.

[nilbog]

Isn't the EQMac VP a revamped version? I'm not sure if that would have any effect on using it as a source for changes.

No, it was the original.

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/x0jvKMj.gif

[Aeolwind]

http://i.imgur.com/x0jvKMj.gif

Oh you don't even know.

[uygi]

Anybody share the sources used for these changes?
Poking around on wayback...

I see evidence of elven dancers existing and drakes being casters no earlier than May and June of 2003. VP was modified on 5/14/03:Veeshan's Peak - We have changed this zone to make it more appealing, particularly for those playing with one or two groups. We have removed the restriction against using gate in this zone and modified the zone population. Over all, the zone will be better to play in.

Elven Dancers have no entry on Allalhazam until this time, also being reported as new after that patch in zone bestiary discussion:
Couple unlisted mobs on track. I'm 65.

an enraged guardian wurm - blue con
elven dancer (three of them) - green cons
Silverwing pet - blue con
Hoshkar pet - green con

Haven't seen Veeshan on track yet.

Date: Sept. 23, 03.]


This change brought the named trash mobs with droppable loot (link (http://web.archive.org/web/20041213205516/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=21439)):These assorted tradeable drops were in fact added with the revamp that allowed Gating from the zone.

In that same flurry of activity on Aallakhazam following the 5/14/03 patch, Senwen on Allakhazam reports the drakes as wizards casting level-appropriate spells... which might have been one way Sony made them easier (would you rather be doubled for 560 a few times or maybe get hit with a sunstrike?).

If there's some other source being used I'd love to see it, seems totally possible that people on Allakhazam just never noticed or cared enough til after that patch.

[planarity]

bump. What of this man's questions?

[Ele]

Jimmies are certainly rustled over this update. Sources would be nice to see.

[nilbog]

Anybody share the sources used for these changes?
Poking around on wayback...

I see evidence of elven dancers existing and drakes being casters no earlier than May and June of 2003. VP was modified on 5/14/03:

Elven Dancers have no entry on Allalhazam until this time, also being reported as new after that patch in zone bestiary discussion:



This change brought the named trash mobs with droppable loot (link (http://web.archive.org/web/20041213205516/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=21439)):

In that same flurry of activity on Aallakhazam following the 5/14/03 patch, Senwen on Allakhazam reports the drakes as wizards casting level-appropriate spells... which might have been one way Sony made them easier (would you rather be doubled for 560 a few times or maybe get hit with a sunstrike?).

If there's some other source being used I'd love to see it, seems totally possible that people on Allakhazam just never noticed or cared enough til after that patch.

These changes were based on comprehensive research submitted from eqmac, including videos and logs. Their version of VP was prior to the 2003 change from what I could tell (did not include named trash mobs that dropped loot, and players couldn't gate). <-- former eqmac players dispute this if not correct.

I changed the lava drakes because I assumed it was a mistake on my part when I first made the zone. You guys have been fighting wizard class npcs that didn't cast spells :X Now it's possible that also is incorrect, and they were just pure warriors at some point. The logs from the eqmac server showed the spells they cast, and that is what I added.

Additional information would be great, as well as feedback on the zone after these changes went in today.

[Daldaen]

These changes were based on comprehensive research submitted from eqmac, including videos and logs. Their version of VP was prior to the 2003 change from what I could tell (did not include named trash mobs that dropped loot, and players couldn't gate). <-- former eqmac players dispute this if not correct

You could Arx Key out of VP :P.

But yea, we had super shitty Kunark-era VP on Al'Kabor.

[uygi]

So if we're using EQMac as the resource here, I'm tempted to say EQMac had the 2003 changes included. While the 2003 change was made after release of Legacy of Ykesha (which wasn't included in EQMac), EQMac was released after LoY came out. The release date for EQMac (http://www.amazon.com/EverQuest-Mac/dp/B000070MQB/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390242549&sr=8-2&keywords=everquest+macintosh) that I can find is 6/23/03. I would venture a guess that the relatively minor changes to VP would have been developed, if not released, barely in time to make it onto Al'Kabor.

The information I based my post above off of is hard to properly date, as some of those changes might have happened quite a bit earlier and nobody noticed and/or cared enough prior to the 5/03 update.

You could Arx Key out of VP :P.

But yea, we had super shitty Kunark-era VP on Al'Kabor.
Sounds like Daldaen is confirming that Al'Kabor had the altered VP. After May 2003 players could gate out "You can now gate out of Veeshan's Peak (May 14)". Unless the Arx key (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=36900) had some exception rule applied, gating out of VP must have been allowed on Mac.

P.S. Damn you for making me start reading Luclin quests. I was never a big fan of cats on the moon but I liked all the lore surrounding the remnants of the Combine Empire...

[uygi]

As far as feedback on the changes as we have them, I think the impact is minimal. It's made kiting trash a bit harder because drakes stopping to cast splits them out of the pack, but kiting in big enough loops or in a linear fashion is the same as before. Racnars in picture room are of no consequence, and the new drakes around Nexona are easily avoided. If it is properly classic then I think it's a good change. I just kinda doubt that it's classic.

[nilbog]

Would like to get to the bottom of this.

So if we're using EQMac as the resource here, I'm tempted to say EQMac had the 2003 changes included. While the 2003 change was made after release of Legacy of Ykesha (which wasn't included in EQMac), EQMac was released after LoY came out. The release date for EQMac (http://www.amazon.com/EverQuest-Mac/dp/B000070MQB/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390242549&sr=8-2&keywords=everquest+macintosh) that I can find is 6/23/03. I would venture a guess that the relatively minor changes to VP would have been developed, if not released, barely in time to make it onto Al'Kabor.

The information I based my post above off of is hard to properly date, as some of those changes might have happened quite a bit earlier and nobody noticed and/or cared enough prior to the 5/03 update.

Everything I can find shows EQMac was locked initially midway through PoP. Then, in 2011 received an additional update to fix problems PoP had after its 4-month run (Rathe Council). Admittedly I did not do much research because we have EQMac players here which could answer it better than I can.


Sounds like Daldaen is confirming that Al'Kabor had the altered VP. After May 2003 players could gate out "You can now gate out of Veeshan's Peak (May 14)". Unless the Arx key (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=36900) had some exception rule applied, gating out of VP must have been allowed on Mac.This is absolutely an exception. No other gates worked. From what I recall, the arx key (and I had one on my magician on eqlive) did not function like other gates/evacs. It sounds to me like he specifically mentioned the arx key as an exception.

Daldaen, you couldn't gate out of VP with spells, correct? No gate, circle of combines, etc.

If it is properly classic then I think it's a good change. I just kinda doubt that it's classic.

The biggest reason I believe the changes are classic is because.. I handmade VP initially from old maps, pictures, and comments. Actually seeing the zone, and having research, filled in some missing gaps. I'd be astonished to get it that correct the first time around.

Would appreciate EQMac players that played in VP to chime in, please.

[Daldaen]

Correct lord nilbog.

Arx Key I mentioned specifically because it was an exception to the rule. Spell ports did not function (like it does here).

Admittedly I didn't bother with VP when I played on Mac, but a quote from those who did spend a decent amount of time there:


- The Veeshan's Peak we have is version 1.0 - ie. a lot of the loot on alla's isnt accurate. Trash is level 60, nameds are 65 (32k hp dragons - although regen may be high)

- The VP Key does bind to your keyring when you use it. So if you die in there you can simply run back in.

- The ARX key is the only way known to port out of there, aside from stepping on the teleporter pads guarded by various named.

- Coh, summon corpse and lev all work in this zone

- Its considered an outdoors zone, yay mounts

- All mobs except for the nameds are paccable (yay!)

- The wyvern/wurm models, and dragon nameds are belly casters which can make paccing difficult (boo)

Keep in mind some of those things may seem off but are just due to level 65 (like Pacify working there / keyring / horses)

[uygi]

Okie dokie then!

[nilbog]

- The wyvern/wurm models, and dragon nameds are belly casters which can make paccing difficult (boo)

guardian wurms are not currently belly casters. Open to research/disputes before next patch.

[uygi]

Actually... the one thing left that makes me question the whole works is, if EQMac had wyverns, either we're really wrong or EQMac is really wrong. My guess is the OP from the quote was really wrong.

[nilbog]

Actually... the one thing left that makes me question the whole works is, if EQMac had wyverns, either we're really wrong or EQMac is really wrong. My guess is the OP from the quote was really wrong.

Yeah I wondered about that myself. If they didn't know what to call the guardian wurms.. which is hard to believe since it has wurm in its name, or if they were referring to drakes.

[uygi]

Well... it makes sense that wurms might be belly casters in VP, as they commonly share many dragon traits both inside and outside VP. I wouldn't think that any of the other trash mob models would be belly casters, it just doesn't follow. No evidence obviously :confused:

[Daldaen]

I may be able to ask around. One dude farmed VP enough to fully PD Gear a level 1 wizard alt, another one farmed Xygoz for 30~ kills and still got no Rend Robe. Will start with them to see if they know much more than I posted.

[Aeolwind]

Anecdotally I can confirm certain versions were belly casters. The Vox/Naggy Clones specifically IIRC.