The >75 Agility Debacle

[Lowlife]

It is seen as common knowledge in modern EQ that if your character, such as many iterations of Ogre, has a base value of below 75 agility that it would behoove one to spend 5 character creation attribute points to reach that threshold, least you face a severe AC penalty.

Having said that, has anyone leveled a character without pumping their agility to 75?

Was gear able to bridge the necessary gap? Or was it a constant pain in the ass to maintain a piece of agility gear in lower levels?

What were some easy to obtain pieces of agility gear one could find to compensate?

[Brut]

Ogre SK 70 base agi cuz char made on drunken christmas day.

Doesn't rly matter in Kunark era, something's bound to have +5agi. Even classic just meant had to wear Lizarskin Tribal Mask until got Umbral Legs.

[Nogdar]

It's very rare but for once I kinda disagree with stupid Brut, don't listen to him he's just fat with some muscle here and there. I, on the other hand, am part of the IEO, the Intellectual Elite of Oggok, and you should take my advice: not all that many parts give you AGI on SK gear and it's a shame to have to /bye on uber items to keep a slot for a crap AGI item.

For example he says you can compensate the 5 AGI with umbral legs BUT with regards to that specific example, you'd be skipping on powerfulmost orangepants from Zordak which would be a shame really, plus in uncountable PoFear runs I still have to see legs drop.. Can't take random drops for granted... :)

For what it changes I think the 5 points investment is definitely worth saving yourself the headache or worse having to pass on nice gear because of those damn 5 AGI points you'll curse forever that one day.

On the other hand, I'm told that in Velious the gear will be much better so that might probably not be a problem anymore, but I'm clueless about Velious so don't take my word for it.

[pasi]

It's very rare but for once I kinda disagree with stupid Brut, don't listen to him he's just fat with some muscle here and there. I, on the other hand, am part of the IEO, the Intellectual Elite of Oggok, and you should take my advice: not all that many parts give you AGI on SK gear and it's a shame to have to /bye on uber items to keep a slot for a crap AGI item.

For example he says you can compensate the 5 AGI with umbral legs BUT with regards to that specific example, you'd be skipping on powerfulmost orangepants from Zordak which would be a shame really, plus in uncountable PoFear runs I still have to see legs drop.. Can't take random drops for granted... :)

For what it changes I think the 5 points investment is definitely worth saving yourself the headache or worse having to pass on nice gear because of those damn 5 AGI points you'll curse forever that one day.

On the other hand, I'm told that in Velious the gear will be much better so that might probably not be a problem anymore, but I'm clueless about Velious so don't take my word for it.

I think the point of his post was that you're likely going to be wearing something that gives 5 agility. Not specifically the Umbral Legs.

For most SKs, this is going to be their 41% PoSky belt.

[Nogdar]

Yeah, but again, not all that easy, the vast majority of SK stuff doesn't offer AGI alas. As to that 41% belt, same story, better not take for granted. We killed Spiroc countless times now and I have yet to see one drop.. :(

It's doable but saving those 5 points at char creation is not comparable to the potential headaches when missing 5 AGI on gear, or having to throw away a good piece for an AGI one...

[filthyphil]

I leveled a erudite SK to 20 without the 5 points in agility. It was hell.. not only did I do terrible damage being a erudite, it seemed like I missed more than my troll SK (also 20) & got hit more often. I had a +5 agility belt, but anytime I became even slightly encumbered I was smacked with the AC penalty.

@ lvl 19/20 I was doing the crocs in oasis with great difficulty & had to rely heavily on fear.

Long story short, I deleted the erudite.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I leveled a erudite SK to 20 without the 5 points in agility. It was hell.. not only did I do terrible damage being a erudite, it seemed like I missed more than my troll SK (also 20) & got hit more often. I had a +5 agility belt, but anytime I became even slightly encumbered I was smacked with the AC penalty.

@ lvl 19/20 I was doing the crocs in oasis with great difficulty & had to rely heavily on fear.

Long story short, I deleted the erudite.

Completely forgot that encumberence lowered your agi.

I think based on that fact alone it would be worth it to boost the 5. When you consider how difficult it is to find +5agi SK gear (short of planar) it's definately worth it as you'll still spend a significant portion of your time levelling to planar. In addition, if you're not completely rich you'll probably want to loot here and there.

My 2cp.

[dethbringre]

Go to Kerra isle spend about 15 mins camping Tiger Pit loot a Cat'o'nine Tails, swing it a few times and get +18 or so agi for 36mins :)

[dethbringre]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Cat_O%27_Nine_Tails actually drops in Tiger Pit

[Lowlife]

Thanks everyone, I'm now able to make a more informed decision and roll another race haha

[Stinkum]

Always put +5 agility if you have a choice. If you're already a high level and didn't, then just get a Cat O'Nine Tails.

Also remember if you have a Fungi that it's -10 Agility.. So even if you're at 75 you're going to drop below cap.

[Jimjam]

So if you plan to ever fungi maybe wise to +15?

[kaev]

So if you plan to ever fungi maybe wise to +15?

Probably not worth it just to use fungi to level. I'd say you better off with suitable mix of +agi jewelry/weapon(s)/whatever while wearing the fungi. ymmv, of course

[dethbringre]

I'd not waste the time with any bonus points in AGI. I know that cat o nine tails doesn't proc until level 20 but that isn't a big issue really. I think points are best spent into STA and STR. STR in the end game will be easy to come by mostly, but STA is a bit harder to get. But if your planning on doing a non ogre/troll/barb like myself (Erudite Pally), then the STR is definitely something to consider even with Yaulp its a pain being weak as hell.

[Pheer]

Allocating +5 agi at char creation and a djarn's amethyst ring should be all youll ever need IMO.

[Vadd]

Fuck the 5 agi. So much shit has 5 agi on it. /thread

[dustysr06]

yea, dont see the point of spending points for 5agi- may have to use a bad item while ur leveling up to keep out of the penalty but end game is the big picture and surely you will have something with 5 agi ><

[kaev]

yea, dont see the point of spending points for 5agi- may have to use a bad item while ur leveling up to keep out of the penalty but end game is the big picture and surely you will have something with 5 agi ><

Are you seriously claiming that 5 stat points is important to end-game play? Seriously?

:boggle:

[Vertiggo]

Yeah my eru sk has 70 agi and is now 44 gotta say it has been poo making sure he has the 75 agi

[shallowpro]

hi, i'm a bit confused. i just made an ogre warrior with 75 agi, that was the base. is that going to be subject to the penalty? or am i okay at 75? also, i pumped 25 to stamina, and the other 5 to str. is this ideal?

thanks!

[JayN]

hi, i'm a bit confused. i just made an ogre warrior with 75 agi, that was the base. is that going to be subject to the penalty? or am i okay at 75? also, i pumped 25 to stamina, and the other 5 to str. is this ideal?

thanks!
5 into agi and the rest in to Dex

[shallowpro]

5 into agi and the rest in to Dex

woah, cool. can anyone confirm this? is it because ogre str and stam are already so high it's unnecessary to add any more? the extra 5 agi is for what? and the extra dex is to give me more crit?

thanks for all the input guys, ultra noob here.

[Rhambuk]

woah, cool. can anyone confirm this? is it because ogre str and stam are already so high it's unnecessary to add any more? the extra 5 agi is for what? and the extra dex is to give me more crit?

thanks for all the input guys, ultra noob here.

yeah no need to add to ogre str sta, the extra agi is to hit that magic number, and dex is for procs your #1 source of agro in later levels.