PSA: Veeshan's Peak

[Sirken]

do not go up on roofs or ledges for any reason or your guild will be raid suspended and your officers will get a week off.


-The Staff

[Rellapse35]

1st

[quido]

separate but equal

[Lionfish Roundup]

yea right , you are funny

you work for nihilum

[Colgate]

8)

[s1ckness]

lol'd

[lite]

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/27800000/Grinch-Smile-GIF-the-grinch-27844611-500-363.gif

[Retti_]

u post images like u play eq

[Silikten]

u post images like u play eq

Aka lite ur bad


Ps no more exploting dragons (again) nihilum

[Retti_]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/high-five-wave.gif

[Sektor]

im the left guy retti is the right

[s1ckness]

im the left guy retti is the right

y does retti gotta be the blaack guy?

[SamwiseRed]

still cheating at a 14 year old video game in a zone thats not even contested? lul

[nilbog]

I have implemented a mechanical solution for ledge exploitation in VP.

Abusing ledge Z-axis is considered an exploit of game mechanics and supersedes the limitation of the no-CSR help within Veeshan's Peak ruling.

Next patch, guides and GMs will be alerted to players entering these areas deemed off limits by GM staff. Players entering these areas may be moved by npcs to legal areas within the same room.

Until that time, abide by rules set forth by the CSR team.

Thanks.

[Colgate]

nihilum confirmed exploiting dragons 2 years later

[Elderan]

I have implemented a mechanical solution for ledge exploitation in VP.

Abusing ledge Z-axis is considered an exploit of game mechanics and supersedes the limitation of the no-CSR help within Veeshan's Peak ruling.

Next patch, guides and GMs will be alerted to players entering these areas deemed off limits by GM staff. Players entering these areas may be moved by npcs to legal areas within the same room.

Until that time, abide by rules set forth by the CSR team.

Thanks.

nilbog,

What z axis exploit? the mobs come into the ledge in plain sight. The mobs AE everyone on the ledge. The mob melees everyone on the ledge.

So once again, what z axis exploit?

This location works exactly the same as the entrance and several ramps in vp.

[Colgate]

elderan trying to justify exploiting o my god this is golden

[Rallyd]

I have implemented a mechanical solution for ledge exploitation in VP.

Abusing ledge Z-axis is considered an exploit of game mechanics and supersedes the limitation of the no-CSR help within Veeshan's Peak ruling.

Next patch, guides and GMs will be alerted to players entering these areas deemed off limits by GM staff. Players entering these areas may be moved by npcs to legal areas within the same room.

Until that time, abide by rules set forth by the CSR team.

Thanks.

So based upon this, what happened on Eqmac is to continue here on P99?.. that is.. training is completely allowed in VP, and not only that, but on top of that, you are required to kill mobs in VP in a place where you can be easily trained, or you will be suspended?

[Colgate]

it has nothing to do with avoiding trains

it has to do with you guys being unable to play everquest player versus environment without exploiting

[Elderan]

elderan trying to justify exploiting o my god this is golden

When you have killed a dragon in vp you can talk to me about vp...

Until then.. go to the kids table.

[Sektor]

When you have killed a dragon in vp you can talk to me about vp...

Until then.. go to the kids table.

[nilbog]

This change only addresses players on the ledge. The impact it has on other existing rules isn't in question. Those are separate issues (i.e. Training) which should be discussed elsewhere.

Stay off the ledges.

[Elderan]

This change only addresses players on the ledge. The impact it has on other existing rules isn't in question. Those are separate issues (i.e. Training) which should be discussed elsewhere.

Stay off the ledges.

nilbog,

What z axis exploit? the mobs come into the ledge in plain sight. The mobs AE everyone on the ledge. The mob melees everyone on the ledge.

So once again, what z axis exploit?

This location works exactly the same as the entrance and several ramps in vp.

[Rallyd]

Well then let's make training in VP the discussion right now, because as it stands people are utilizing pathing exploits to train in VP unhindered because "there's no CSR in this zone" is the response any gm gives when you petition them for it.

How can there be CSR for 1 issue, and not for the other. This is arbitrary decision making and is not good.

[SamwiseRed]

you could just pvp them

[nilbog]

Stay off the ledges.

That's it.

[Elderan]

That's it.

nilbog,

What z axis exploit? the mobs come into the ledge in plain sight. The mobs AE everyone on the ledge. The mob melees everyone on the ledge.

So once again, what z axis exploit?

This location works exactly the same as the entrance and several ramps in vp.

[Bazia]

nildog doesn't owe anyone answers

[Elderan]

nildog doesn't owe anyone answers

When he claims something that isnt correct he does..

He could just not know what is going on though..

[nilbog]

Well then let's make training in VP the discussion right now

Make a thread and discuss it then. I might agree with no training, how do you know?

How can there be CSR for 1 issue, and not for the other. This is arbitrary decision making and is not good.You can call it whatever you like. This thread is about not being on the ledges.

I am not sure how I can say this differently, but the ledges are off limits until further notice.

Listen to your GMs until informed otherwise.

[Pudge]

If it were all the same, you wouldn't be ledging.

[Elderan]

If it were all the same, you wouldn't be ledging.

Ledge just allows us to avoid trains from 2 bards who use pathing exploits. Which according to nilbog should be illegal but they are not enforced by Sirken.

[Colgate]

what pathing exploits exactly? can you show documented proof that pathing exploits are being used to train you? when i watch lite's stream all i can see is him aggroing mobs and bringing them to you, then rez boxing out

sounds like you're bitter about being unable to stop 2 people from training you on a pvp server

:(

[Bazia]

The blue server guilds get trained in VP every day, and they can't even attack the people training them and deal with it pretty easily.

Seems like you guys need to learn to play better, you even have the advantage of being able to attack the trainers.

[Stinkum]

Seems pretty simple to me. Just stay off the ledge.

Lock thread and ban whiney, spamming children imo.

[Elderan]

You cannot on one hand say trains are allowed because pathing is "fucked" as quoted by Sirken and then on the other hand say we cannot kill on the ledge because pathing is "fucked"

You cannot say trains are legal because VP is a non CSR zone on one hand and then say we cannot kill on the ledge because of some reason.

First and foremost training should not be legal in this zone. Second we should be allowed to kill where ever in the zone as long as we kill the dragons in clear sight.

[Colgate]

trains are not an exploit

abusing Z-axis ledges is an exploit

try and wrap your brain around it one more time i think you can do it

[Bazia]

Elderan tells nilbog what should be legal on his server,

[Elderan]

Elderan tells nilbog what should be legal on his server,

Sometimes people just need to be better informed on what is happening.

[Elderan]

trains are not an exploit

abusing Z-axis ledges is an exploit

try and wrap your brain around it one more time i think you can do it

Explain in detail how the z-axis is exploited there..

[Greegon]

wasnt nihilum already told not to do this? should suspend them for 2 weeks only fair

[s1ckness]

blue99 has 2 deal with trains with 20xs the population, why cant u ? already farming a dead server.. tbh i think u guys would have more fun on blue99 , there is competition atleast

[Bazia]

thought u were a nihi nutswinger chopchop

[Pudge]

don't forget to load up MQ2 after you zone into VP elderan, it's a non-CSR zone

[Dullah]

First, training was never permitted in VP. No-csr never negated the play nice policy. I can understand when there are 100s of players unable to pvp each other and so much drama over VP on the blue server how you guys can take the standoffish policy of allowing training, but on a pvp server theres no excuse for allowing players to train. If you want to contest, you do so with pvp, not using pathing exploits, invulnerability and res boxes to train.

Second, if the issue is fighting on the ledge, should we then not be able to fight below but utilize this area to avoid other players training? I say this knowing that dragons can be killed 100% legitimately from this location, but nevertheless, I don't see the reason to restrict player presence here if they are avoiding fighting from the ledge.

[Elderan]

trains are not an exploit

abusing Z-axis ledges is an exploit

try and wrap your brain around it one more time i think you can do it

Explain in detail how the z-axis is exploited there..

[Bazia]

if you need more detail read the 700 blue threads on this subject

[Sirken]

First, training was never permitted in VP. No-csr never negated the play nice policy. I can understand when there are 100s of players unable to pvp each other and so much drama over VP on the blue server how you guys can take the standoffish policy of allowing training, but on a pvp server theres no excuse for allowing players to train. If you want to contest, you do so with pvp, not using pathing exploits, invulnerability and res boxes to train.

You seem to think that our "No CSR" rule is related to SOE's "No Guide" Rule (Maybe also called "No CSR"). The live version was a list of zones that guides could not enter due to the possibility that they may unintentionally interfere with the players.

This is not the same. Our "No CSR" Rule was not put in place to mimick live's, it is a separate rule in place for separate reasons. Therefor, your comparison to any relative eqlive policy is invalid.

Disclaimer: This post was made to correct the misconception that the rule was based on an eqlive policy, which is not. I am not posting to say that we would or wouldn't consider removing our "No CSR" policy, which may or may not be up for reconsideration.

[Stinkum]

pretty simple. just stay off the ledge, if you don't like it, no one is twisting your elbow forcing you to play on this free, private, volunteer server.

it's like a homeless person going to a free soup kitchen and then demanding a 40-page research project on the reasons the soup of the day is chicken noodle instead of tomato

[pharmakos]

it's like a homeless person going to a free soup kitchen and then demanding a 40-page research project on the reasons the soup of the day is chicken noodle instead of tomato

but what if they're vegetarian? =p

[Bazia]

more like nerds are mad there is a problem that they cant solve by just recruiting more people

go do some research on blue about how to kill dragons while being trained

[Elderan]

You cannot on one hand say trains are allowed because pathing is "fucked" as quoted by Sirken and then on the other hand say we cannot kill on the ledge because pathing is "fucked"

You cannot say trains are legal because VP is a non CSR zone on one hand and then say we cannot kill on the ledge because of some reason.

First and foremost training should not be legal in this zone. Second we should be allowed to kill where ever in the zone as long as we kill the dragons in clear sight.

[Greegon]

dude dont argue with nilbog

[Salem Orchid]

wow what's so hard to comprehend about, stay off the ledge?

[Elderan]

wow what's so hard to comprehend about, stay off the ledge?

You cannot on one hand say trains are allowed because pathing is "fucked" as quoted by Sirken and then on the other hand say we cannot kill on the ledge because pathing is "fucked"

You cannot say trains are legal because VP is a non CSR zone on one hand and then say we cannot kill on the ledge because of some reason.

First and foremost training should not be legal in this zone. Second we should be allowed to kill where ever in the zone as long as we kill the dragons in clear sight.

[Elderan]

wow what's so hard to comprehend about, stay off the ledge?

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

[Salem Orchid]

I'm sure the guild founded on exploiting will find another way to exploit, you don't have to tell me that.

[Bazia]

yeah i wouldnt care either

nihilum kinda like unbannable

[Elspeth]

mad

[Elderan]

I'm sure the guild founded on exploiting will find another way to exploit, you don't have to tell me that.

Explain in detail, how the ledge is an exploit.

Mobs path there, dragons path there. Dragons AE hits everyone there, their melee hit everyone there.

So enlighten me.

[Salem Orchid]

Or you could just read any of the posts by the 3 GM's saying fighting on the ledge is NOT permited, because it is an exploit

[Elspeth]

vmad

[Elspeth]

incoming azrael removal from boards

[Elderan]

Or you could just read any of the posts by the 3 GM's saying fighting on the ledge is NOT permited, because it is an exploit

The word exploits indicates avoiding some game mechanic. This is not the case. They should just say, you cannot kill up there because we said so. That is the only valid reason.

GMs and developers can be wrong too you know.

[Greegon]

more like nerds are mad there is a problem that they cant solve by just recruiting more people

http://img.pandawhale.com/79984-fifth-element-OH-SNAP-gif-pEMZ.gif

[Elderan]

incoming azrael removal from boards

Nah man. But I might just quit p99 all together. Pull my donations and boards and move on.

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.

[Greegon]

Nah man. But I might just quit p99 all together. Pull my donations and boards and move on.

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.

plz

[Bazia]

Yeah you would quit, that's believable

[Kraftwerk]

Nah man. But I might just quit p99 all together. Pull my donations and boards and move on.

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.

I would miss your lunatic rantings, but then again...we wouldn't have to put up with your lunatic rantings. It's a double edged sword, but I vote that you should quit.

[Colgate]

Stay off the ledges.

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

elderan joins a guild founded on cheating, participates in cheating, cries about lite "cheating", argues with developers and states that he will continue cheating

can we just get this toxic player outta here?

[Elspeth]

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.


what, nizzars rent money?

[Greegon]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5ia86DVz1qdeocv.gif

[Salem Orchid]

Yeah sounds like you should quit and move on Elderan. GM's have integrity and probs don't play donation cards, your leaderboard sucks and no one cares if its gone.

[HeisChuck]

ElderMORAN living up to his good name :D:D

[Stasis01]

Nah man. But I might just quit p99 all together. Pull my donations and boards and move on.

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.

LOL

[s1ckness]

gotta go back to walling naggy

[Gongshow]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MACHINE-GUN-GIF.gif

[Slathar]

Nah man. But I might just quit p99 all together. Pull my donations and boards and move on.

I am trying to fight for what is right. But some people are just too hard headed.

bye

[s1ckness]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MACHINE-GUN-GIF.gif

awww yisss

[Aenor]

nihilum confirmed exploiting dragons 2 years later

Oh but by all means lets copy all these legit pixels onto virgin teams server after like 12 months.

[Bazia]

like u care that they exploit, u camp vp keys to join them

also cant wait to bring all my phat pixels to teams

[Yagebasto]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MACHINE-GUN-GIF.gif

http://i.imgur.com/g4wgSi6.gif

[Aenor]

You cannot say trains are legal because VP is a non CSR zone on one hand and then say we cannot kill on the ledge because of some reason.

I think they just did.

[Millburn]

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

--


Stay off the ledges.

So uh...how about you just stay off the ledges eh?

[Bazia]

multiple staff members in nihilum

that guild will never get suspended

[Silikten]

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

There are other ledges in vp..

we will just find another.

[Elderan]

--



So uh...how about you just stay off the ledges eh?


No problem, there are rocks we can fight on... Rock <> ledge.

[Millburn]

You realize that you're being a grown ass man throwing a tantrum right now right? That shit is the same logic a 4 year old uses when he's trying to justify having candy instead of dinner.

[Bazia]

they say his brain was infected by pixels

[Stinkum]

they say his brain was infected by pixels

[K|mm Barely]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2f64ef199bb00a11f655ff50ec2c87f3/tumblr_mte3nyl1bi1qbqzluo1_500.gif

[SamwiseRed]

would like to see nilly officers take a week off. gonna be interesting to see a dev get suspended.

speaking of which, why the hell would a dev allow his guild to exploit like this for a year now? pretty sure he could have put a halt to it instantly unless...

[Millburn]

It's that sweet sweet group think.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/263/7/6/bachmann_by_clayrodery-d4aezlh.gif

[Vile]

No problem, there are rocks we can fight on... Rock <> ledge.

'sploiters gonna 'sploit

[Snufz]

This thread delivers.

[Retti_]

Milburn sig makes me wanna throw up

[Colgate]

This thread delivers.

they really get fired up when you tell them they can't do pve uncontested

[Bamz4l]

holy shit I got banned once for accidentally double-posting, elderan has copy/pasted his posts about 10 times in this thread alone, and ontop of that directing it toward the lead developer and his staff. ban this retard already.


watch ill be banned for this post..

[Bamz4l]

incoming azrael removal from boards

ROFL

[johenry]

Nihilum caught cheating for the second time, nothing done because zade is in guild? Just stating this gets you banned because Sirken feels harassed?

Am I reading this right?

[Smedy]

plot thickens... 2 nihi on staff

foilhat on motherfuckers

[freez]

muh muh muh mayuhd



to to to to





bayudddduhhh

[Rallyd]

plot thickens... 2 nihi on staff

foilhat on motherfuckers

Sirken <Azrael> nuffsaid.

[Rellapse35]

p bad that Nihilum cries more than the blue server about VP and they only gotta deal with 2 people not 50 lulz

[Tanthallas]

Fighting on ledges does not exploit game mechanics that are not already a function of the general pathing issues in VP to begin with; i.e., the only issue with fighting on ledges is pathing, which is not a function of being on ledges but instead being in VP in general. Since the zone was made outdoor, there are zero chances to avoid the AE by being on ledges.

The only thing it allows you to SOMEWHAT avoid is training - I say somewhat because training on ledges is merely a matter of the training force being able to get someone up there as well.

[Jenni D]

What was Arzak doing when this exploiting was going on exactly? I mean...seriously? Is there any answer for this?

[runlvlzero]

What about CoM?

[Colgate]

What was Arzak doing when this exploiting was going on exactly? I mean...seriously? Is there any answer for this?

tanking the dragon

[Colgate]

The only thing it allows you to SOMEWHAT avoid is training - I say somewhat because training on ledges is merely a matter of the training force being able to get someone up there as well.

impossible on a pvp server

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Jenni D View Post
What was Arzak doing when this exploiting was going on exactly? I mean...seriously? Is there any answer for this?

tanking the dragon

its pretty sickening, not vztz worth corruption but still, damn man

[Nizzarr]

Fighting on ledges does not exploit game mechanics that are not already a function of the general pathing issues in VP to begin with; i.e., the only issue with fighting on ledges is pathing, which is not a function of being on ledges but instead being in VP in general. Since the zone was made outdoor, there are zero chances to avoid the AE by being on ledges.

The only thing it allows you to SOMEWHAT avoid is training - I say somewhat because training on ledges is merely a matter of the training force being able to get someone up there as well.

Z-axis is fucked on this server anyway, being 5000 feet in the air shouldnt change a damn thing on pathing. Everything at ground level should hit you.

Z-axis shouldnt even exist

[Nizzarr]

Heres a tip: Gravity flux/lev ring your puller anywhere in vp and everything will path tru walls.

Fix: Get rid of Z-axis.

[Nizzarr]

Levitate over ground more than 50 units and everything path tru walls.

DEM EXPLOITS HOPE A GM CAN CATCH ALL OF THAT! BETTER NOT SEE PULLERS GO ON A RAMP AND START EXPLOITING THAT Z-AXIS

[Tanthallas]

impossible on a pvp server

That has nothing to do with the exploitative nature of the ledges; it is also entirely possible to sneak people up there and camp them there.

[Millburn]

Zzzzz

Just stay off the ledges bro

[Tanthallas]

Zzzzz

Just stay off the ledges bro

You red people are whiny little bitches.

[SamwiseRed]

Heres a tip: Gravity flux/lev ring your puller anywhere in vp and everything will path tru walls.

Fix: Get rid of Z-axis.

aw man thats how i get to hard to reach places. make sure u sit in between casts to keep height.

[Millburn]

You red people are whiny little bitches.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying so let me re-phrase

Bro, just stay off the ledges.

[Supreme]

Z-axis is a fundamental flaw in EQ pathing. That is why there are pathing nodes so NPC's can find their way. This problem will be even worse in Velious where there are NPCs that are bigger than the doors that contain them and have to "Warp" in order to path outside.

I except continued banning's until the project is nothing more than rules lawyering and GM policing.

[Rellapse35]

I except continued banning's until the project is nothing more than rules lawyering and GM policing.

You know all about some banning's

[STILLnotMORNIN]

do not go up on roofs or ledges for any reason or your guild will be raid suspended and your officers will get a week off.


-The Staff

I could really use a week off..

[Tanthallas]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying so let me re-phrase

Bro, just stay off the ledges.

I think you misunderstand what Im saying;

You are a bitch.

[Mingo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Z9kS-S2Eo

[Millburn]

I think you misunderstand what Im saying;

You are a bitch.

I got over that years ago

Seriously though, just stay off the ledges.

[Tanthallas]

I dont play on red; I am telling the idiots who do, however, how things work in VP seeing as while they spend 50 hours killing eachother and zone plugging they do not have the time to spare to actually figure out the zone itself.

Cry more.

[quido]

Z-axis is a fundamental flaw in EQ pathing. That is why there are pathing nodes so NPC's can find their way. This problem will be even worse in Velious where there are NPCs that are bigger than the doors that contain them and have to "Warp" in order to path outside.

I except continued banning's until the project is nothing more than rules lawyering and GM policing.

Even in two dimensions you'd need pathing nodes, idiot.

[Millburn]

I dont play on red; I am telling the idiots who do, however, how things work in VP seeing as while they spend 50 hours killing eachother and zone plugging they do not have the time to spare to actually figure out the zone itself.

Cry more.

Oh shit you think I'm being sarcastic. No dude I'm serious, bitches need to stay off them ledges. I don't think we're enemies here. Now let us touch each other fondly and commence merriment.

[aborted]

Keep making up new ways to ban people! Keep up the great work.

[Rellapse35]

new? are you retarded?

[Millburn]

Keep making up new ways to ban people! Keep up the great work.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

Shit ain't new son

[Feniggles]

lol

[Tanthallas]

Oh shit you think I'm being sarcastic. No dude I'm serious, bitches need to stay off them ledges. I don't think we're enemies here. Now let us touch each other fondly and commence merriment.

Its not about being enemies or not; I think this whole argument is ridiculous seeing as it already happened on blue about 6 months ago. The ruling on red is being made - the no ledges - because that is simply how it turned out on blue. The reason it turned out that way is not because ledges are exploitative, but because two people from two guilds came to an agreement of sorts to not use them and the GMs chose to enforce that as a rule.

[Tanthallas]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

Shit ain't new son

This is from when the zone was indoor; when it was, this def. was an exploit used to avoid the AE. Currently, with the zone being outdoor, however, it is not.

[SamwiseRed]

are people seriously defending exploits lol?

[JayN]

they suck its ok, looks like theyll need to be making a bigger donation this month lol

[Tanthallas]

are people seriously defending exploits lol?

I need you to define how and why ledges are exploitative of the game content - remember, I am not from either guild nor do I play on red. I have no bias here.

[JayN]

I need you to define how and why ledges are exploitative of the game content - remember, I am not from either guild nor do I play on red. I have no bias here.

Because GM's said so? and you have to use exploitative nature to reach them?

how about cause your a whiny cheating PoS?

[Tanthallas]

Because GM's said so? and you have to use exploitative nature to reach them?

how about cause your a whiny cheating PoS?

1. GMs saying so does not make something an exploit; GM enforced rules occur for a variety of reasons; if you took a second to read what I posted above, I briefly mentioned why this particular rule was put into effect. Then again, it seems you have comprehension problems.

2. What 'exploitative' nature do you use to reach them? Lev rings? lol.

3. I do not play on this server. I am not in either guild.

[Millburn]

Legit question here, why can't Nihi just train themselves first? Path that shit around with YOUR aggro not some guy coming in to cause you problems.

[Retti_]

are all of paymelindas previous rulings still enforced?

[JayN]

1. GMs saying so does not make something an exploit; GM enforced rules occur for a variety of reasons; if you took a second to read what I posted above, I briefly mentioned why this particular rule was put into effect. Then again, it seems you have comprehension problems.

2. What 'exploitative' nature do you use to reach them? Lev rings? lol.

3. I do not play on this server. I am not in either guild.

1. you are idiot; it was not some brokered deal between guilds on blue, whoever told you this is lying to you.

2. Why are you here, just to stir up shit? it takes more the lev rings to get to the ledge in vp's Bedroom. youre an idiot for believing whom ever told you this

3. Why come to these forums and stir shit on things you know nothing about? This also makes you an idiot! Have a great day

[Tanthallas]

1. I am the one who was involved in it with Zeelot, actually. Try again.

2. I am here because the ruleset in VP matters to me; rules made in VP extend beyond one server. I am not 'believing' anyone - I have done it all myself.

3. See above.

[Tanthallas]

The fundamental problem here is that this kind of bitching will continue unless both GMs and the leadership of guilds come together (or are pushed to come together) to define a consistent set of player based rules that are then enforced by GMs.

That is what my example is getting at; whatever is exploitative or not will continue to change, and people will continue to lawyer it. The only way to stop this is for player based rules to be enforced.

[freez]

http://joyphenix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IMG_3154-200x300.jpg

[Derubael]

EDIT - Wrong thread for the comment that used to be here. Stop flaming each other in this thread.

The fundamental problem here is that this kind of bitching will continue unless both GMs and the leadership of guilds come together (or are pushed to come together) to define a consistent set of player based rules that are then enforced by GMs.

Are you suggesting that the bitching will continue until staff bans training in VP, or am I reading this wrong?

[Retti_]

setting off CT death touch cycles is illegal, unless you have a raid force ready to zone in and take the mob.

perhaps this should be the solution.

[Millburn]

For real though, isn't the answer to being trained by someone else in Vp is to just start the train yourself? Control that shit on your own terms.

[freez]

setting off CT death touch cycles is illegal, unless you have a raid force ready to zone in and take the mob.

perhaps this should be the solution.



naw naw

[pointyhat]

Sirken <Azrael> nuffsaid.

Didn't twain just get banned for making a similar accusation of Zade?

[Retti_]

u dont get banned in game for things on forum

dont base all your knowledge on forum posts nerd

[Smedy]

Didn't twain just get banned for making a similar accusation of Zade?

yes i think justice needs to be served here, drop that judgement hammer

[pointyhat]

u dont get banned in game for things on forum

dont base all your knowledge on forum posts nerd

Reading is hard I know but I didn't say anything about in game vs forum.

[Tanthallas]

EDIT - Wrong thread for the comment that used to be here. Stop flaming each other in this thread.



Are you suggesting that the bitching will continue until staff bans training in VP, or am I reading this wrong?

Not necessarily. What I am saying is that to the extent in which GMs are reactionary in their rulemaking - that is, to the extent that rules are made to remedy particular instances of cheating or exploiting - innovative ways of doing things will always be discovered that may or may not be considered exploitative or cheating in many cases.

[Derubael]

Not necessarily. What I am saying is that to the extent in which GMs are reactionary in their rulemaking - that is, to the extent that rules are made to remedy particular instances of cheating or exploiting - innovative ways of doing things will always be discovered that may or may not be considered exploitative or cheating in many cases.

TY for clarifying.

[Retti_]

Reading is hard I know but I didn't say anything about in game vs forum.

Didn't twain just get banned for making a similar accusation of Zade?

your basing your statement on twainz rnf thread

thanks for playing forumquest

[Rallyd]

Legit question here, why can't Nihi just train themselves first? Path that shit around with YOUR aggro not some guy coming in to cause you problems.

Try pathing around a train of mobs in VP while a bard is chain pumicing you and snaring you... see what happens. This would work on blue, because you cannot be fucked with, but on red... not so easy.

[Rellapse35]

Try pathing around a train of mobs in VP while a bard is chain pumicing you and snaring you... see what happens. This would work on blue, because you cannot be fucked with, but on red... not so easy.

sounds like you and your guild just a bunch of pussies

[Millburn]

What stops you from having a bard do that to the potential aggressor as well then? Shit's not supposed to be easy, but it can be done. If you can't roll in VP then you shouldn't be there.

[Retti_]

sounds like you and your guild just a bunch of pussies

last i checked u stopped logging in because pvp was too hard

[Rellapse35]

Try pathing around a train of mobs in VP while a bard is chain pumicing you and snaring you... see what happens. This would work on blue, because you cannot be fucked with, but on red... not so easy.

You,Nizzar and Supreme should of stayed on blue

o wait

yall were pussies there 2

[Rallyd]

What stops you from having a bard do that to the potential aggressor as well then? Shit's not supposed to be easy, but it can be done. If you can't roll in VP then you shouldn't be there.

Because for the bard who has a rez box constantly open, there is zero risk involved, if we send bards after them, we will get them to take the rez box yes, but they can be back in the zone in 2 minutes which isn't enough time to pull a dragon let alone kill it.

[Rellapse35]

last i checked u stopped logging in because pvp was too hard

You talking to me or the rest of your guild?

[Retti_]

my guild still logs on

not sure if srs

[Rallyd]

Nobody is claiming that it's absolutely impossible to ever kill a dragon in VP with opposition training.. we do that. However the ability for 1-2 people to grief 30 is what the problem is.

Every time people on these forums whine about how bad the population is or why there isn't more pvp, this is why. Right now Azrael has no interest in contesting trakanon, or any other PVE encounter. They are very happy to simply grief in VP because they get their LULZ.

This type of behavior should not be promoted by the rule lawyering that is currently happening. EQmac players coming here will simply quit under this environment.

[SamwiseRed]

eq mac players for the most part cant stand pvp. why do you think they played a PVE server for so long? also why would this matter to them or are you assuming they are all going to join Nihilum. you are guilty of training when you guys couldnt contest in Hate. its hilarious to see you cry about the same thing.

[Rellapse35]

Ledge ruling is not getting changed, ever. Nilbog made that pretty clear.

[SamwiseRed]

Nobody is claiming that it's absolutely impossible to ever kill a dragon in VP with opposition training.. we do that. However the ability for 1-2 people to grief 30 is what the problem is.

Every time people on these forums whine about how bad the population is or why there isn't more pvp, this is why. Right now Azrael has no interest in contesting trakanon, or any other PVE encounter. They are very happy to simply grief in VP because they get their LULZ.

This type of behavior should not be promoted by the rule lawyering that is currently happening. EQmac players coming here will simply quit under this environment.

cant contest? this guy trains.

Heres a shot of the insurance train.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000090-1.jpg

3 seconds later....

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000091.jpg

desperate training !


Heres a shot of some noob i slew before nizzar got a staff proc on me and was quickly assisted down.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000089.jpg


Just to clarify, it was a slaughter. I can't even imagine what would have happened had we all been 60 and VP geared as well. Lite could have easily dropped Nillies train back on them but he didnt. He said in TS he refuses to fight dirty. It is going to be hard playing the good guys but we will get it done.

http://i.imgur.com/F1LMn.jpg

had complete zone control before Insurance trained the shit out of us.

[Kraftwerk]

Damn I look sexy in that screenshot. Classic Advisor robe style.

[Retti_]

Whats that ss show sam and why is it here?

[Tanthallas]

TY for clarifying.

I.e., the ledge ruling - the way Sirken handled it between Zeelot and myself on blue - was excellent. He made us both talk it out, sometimes it did get heated, but in the end he made us decide and said that the decision made would be enforced. Since then, neither of us have went on ledges or petitioned anything in VP.

What this does is build some level of mutual respect between people; without that their interaction will be reduced to flaming, petitioning, and attempting to manipulate rules to their own advantage. When I first came back, I got with Zeelot and asked him if our agreement still held - there was no need to bother the GMs. Now outside of VP...well, that has yet to be treated in a similar way.

[SamwiseRed]

just funny that insurance is crying about training when hes done it several times.

[Retti_]

That ss shows rallyd training? Dont see a name. I do see eifle taking damage. Is that iksar eifle?

[SamwiseRed]

ofc iksar paladin is pretty good combo :D

[Supreme]

Even in two dimensions you'd need pathing nodes, idiot.

Who said you don't need pathing nodes in two dimensions?

Stop embarrassing yourself retard.

[Bamz4l]

Nihilum caught cheating for the second time, nothing done because zade is in guild? Just stating this gets you banned because Sirken feels harassed?

Am I reading this right?

[quido]

Who said you don't need pathing nodes in two dimensions?

Stop embarrassing yourself retard.

Z-axis is a fundamental flaw in EQ pathing. That is why there are pathing nodes so NPC's can find their way.

[runlvlzero]

If I was GM I would just delevel all nihilum chars and strip entire guild back to level 1 and set their guildmotd to 'accept the challenge'

[Bamz4l]

1. GMs saying so does not make something an exploit

lol what? its their server...

[runlvlzero]

They are like spoiled four year olds and will argue any point in the most irrational and ridiculous ways.

They are insane.

[Elderan]

EDIT - Wrong thread for the comment that used to be here. Stop flaming each other in this thread.



Are you suggesting that the bitching will continue until staff bans training in VP, or am I reading this wrong?

I am suggesting that some people will point out things that are not right until they are corrected.

[Millburn]

I am suggesting that some people will point out things that are not right until they are corrected.

This fucking guy...

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag142/liau9/sorry/jon_is_disappointed_zps5d2469a6.gif

[hagard]

elder MORAN
give it a fucking break dude
you cant exploit vp anymore, O WELL

[Feniggles]

If I was GM I would just delevel all nihilum chars and strip entire guild back to level 1 and set their guildmotd to 'accept the challenge'

lol dork =)

[Dullah]

elder MORAN
give it a fucking break dude
you cant exploit vp anymore, O WELL

No one exploited in vp to begin with, angry nobody.

What did happen is we legitimately pulled and killed mobs in a place where 2 bards couldn't DA rez box train us, and they flooded the server and forums with their tears until GMs gave them a tissue.

[Colgate]

only tears i've seen are from a guild that exploits content for 2 years straight and finally getting told they're not allowed

[Rellapse35]

only tears i've seen are from a guild that exploits content for 2 years straight and finally getting told they're not allowed

[Milton]

only tears i've seen are from a guild that exploits content for 2 years straight and finally getting told they're not allowed

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-baby-Smurf-eat-blue-food.jpg

[Junkman]

only tears i've seen are from a guild that exploits content for 2 years straight and finally getting told they're not allowed


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