My actual beef with Nihilum in general (and the leadership more specifically)

[runlvlzero]

The state this server in is mostly (as stated in many rants and threads before) due to peoples playstiles and antisocial behavior.

While Nihilum is not particularly at fault in any of those regards.

What makes me dislike Nihilum is their general instanstance that they are not to blame and its entirely the other sides or other players faults. That some how Nihilum in general saved the server from the brink of destruction and that the only reason VP dragons are getting raided at all is because of them.

My other complaint. Is that every new blue player that is tired of raiding at 3am, comes over here and tells me, oh, I'm just here to raid at better times.

Fine.

But accept it and don't claim to be either good at the game, good pvpers, saving the box. Hero's. Or anything else.

Say your the #1 raid org of R99 and you do not give a fuck about anything except pleasant raid times for yourself. That I can respect.

Some of your members are upfront about it, and that bluebie even earned my respect by stating thats why their here.

But you guys are not running newbie feeder guilds. You have half your chars unguilded and ganking people without wearing targets. You let spells rot in seb. You don't run /random 100 pug raids for any of the smaller guilds like <Serenity> was, or <Knights of Ni> style guilds. You don't have your alts in a friendly guild. You run around in the best gear you can and kill anyone who disagrees with you no matter how unsportsmanlike it is. You will take any borderline in game exploitive advantage you can just to avoid getting overrun by the "server mongrels".

A part of sportsmanship is to recognize when your winning and not completely stomp your enemies into the ground. Sure a good game of 100 vs 0 is fine now and again.

But if you want a thriving server. Let a few mobs slip here and than. Don't tag everyone, if you have loot your real guild doesn't need share it by letting people random on it.

It will go a long way to improving your image and setting a much friendly atmosphere. You can still be competitive and show up to trak with everything you can muster.

People will be less likely to double cross you, backstab you, train you, or in general wreck your VP runs if you take this stance. The casuals will appreciate it and respect you. You will have more than half the server on your side without having to beat everyone into a pixel grinding machine.

Just a thought. You don't have to take my advice or suggestion. It's all a matter of perspective and opinion.

I just wanted to try and re-illustrate in a more mature way why I particularly have a lack of respect for Nihilum's "Vision(TM)". And why I have chosen to side with the "server mongrels".

Perhaps a few of us take the metagaming aspect of forumquest a bit far, but thats what RnF is for IMO. Deal with it. Most of you don't even post here so I imagine thats fine and I can respect that. But there's a few of you do that make my eyes roll back into my head when you try to white knight pixels frenzy.

[runlvlzero]

*cant spell worth a damn, fuck autocorrect and this RNF so no editing, deal with my engrish. Or not.

[raka]

The state this server in is mostly (as stated in many rants and threads before) due to peoples playstiles and antisocial behavior.

While Nihilum is not particularly at fault in any of those regards.

What makes me dislike Nihilum is their general instanstance that they are not to blame and its entirely the other sides or other players faults. That some how Nihilum in general saved the server from the brink of destruction and that the only reason VP dragons are getting raided at all is because of them.

My other complaint. Is that every new blue player that is tired of raiding at 3am, comes over here and tells me, oh, I'm just here to raid at better times.

Fine.

But accept it and don't claim to be either good at the game, good pvpers, saving the box. Hero's. Or anything else.

Say your the #1 raid org of R99 and you do not give a fuck about anything except pleasant raid times for yourself. That I can respect.

Some of your members are upfront about it, and that bluebie even earned my respect by stating thats why their here.

But you guys are not running newbie feeder guilds. You have half your chars unguilded and ganking people without wearing targets. You let spells rot in seb. You don't run /random 100 pug raids for any of the smaller guilds like <Serenity> was, or <Knights of Ni> style guilds. You don't have your alts in a friendly guild. You run around in the best gear you can and kill anyone who disagrees with you no matter how unsportsmanlike it is. You will take any borderline in game exploitive advantage you can just to avoid getting overrun by the "server mongrels".

A part of sportsmanship is to recognize when your winning and not completely stomp your enemies into the ground. Sure a good game of 100 vs 0 is fine now and again.

But if you want a thriving server. Let a few mobs slip here and than. Don't tag everyone, if you have loot your real guild doesn't need share it by letting people random on it.

It will go a long way to improving your image and setting a much friendly atmosphere. You can still be competitive and show up to trak with everything you can muster.

People will be less likely to double cross you, backstab you, train you, or in general wreck your VP runs if you take this stance. The casuals will appreciate it and respect you. You will have more than half the server on your side without having to beat everyone into a pixel grinding machine.

Just a thought. You don't have to take my advice or suggestion. It's all a matter of perspective and opinion.

I just wanted to try and re-illustrate in a more mature way why I particularly have a lack of respect for Nihilum's "Vision(TM)". And why I have chosen to side with the "server mongrels".

Perhaps a few of us take the metagaming aspect of forumquest a bit far, but thats what RnF is for IMO. Deal with it. Most of you don't even post here so I imagine thats fine and I can respect that. But there's a few of you do that make my eyes roll back into my head when you try to white knight pixels frenzy.

congrats
I am now a potato

[runlvlzero]

Lastly to those that "Feel they must join Nihilum to see or enjoy the game". If thats how you feel sure. But the "I must attitude, because i have no other choice" is the other 50% of the problem.

No you can PvP very competatively with 1 group kunark gear. There is no severe advantage that Nihilum has anymore, especially with the changes to clickies. You can have very fine resist gear and weapons without even doing epics. Roll in groups and form smaller guilds. Support the servers feeder guilds.

[runlvlzero]

TLDR its not 100% nihilums fault the server sucks, but they are sure to blame for a lot of it.

[runlvlzero]

also, serer doesn't suck if you don't give a fuck about VP

[pharmakos]

holy balls quit quoting that wall of text

i read it all but i don't need to see it three times =p

[runlvlzero]

TBH the wall of text can be ignored, the TLDR version works better now that I think about it.

[SamwiseRed]

the problem is this is not just a game to some. it doesnt take a genius to guess that some people play this for a living. if this was my sole income best believe i wouldnt give a fuck about sportsmanship. really nothing we can do sadly unless people quit onion blooming.

[Retti_]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/did%20not%20read/grand/did-not-read-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1225.gif

[Bidin]

I completely disagree with most of what you just said, but mostly this section


But you guys are not running newbie feeder guilds. You have half your chars unguilded and ganking people without wearing targets. You let spells rot in seb. You don't run /random 100 pug raids for any of the smaller guilds like <Serenity> was, or <Knights of Ni> style guilds. You don't have your alts in a friendly guild. You run around in the best gear you can and kill anyone who disagrees with you no matter how unsportsmanlike it is. You will take any borderline in game exploitive advantage you can just to avoid getting overrun by the "server mongrels".

Nihilum raids do yield a lot of loot that we end up giving away to noobies. I've personally looted about 5 tolapmuj robes that i've given away, along with many pieces of draco loot and other gear that I've given to noobies free of charge. I also buff any lowbie I see when I run by them and don't charge them for it.

Regarding your section about sportsmanship:

A part of sportsmanship is to recognize when your winning and not completely stomp your enemies into the ground..
I believe you are implying we aren't very sportsmanlike. I disagree completely. We never rub in our victories, like your "server mongrels" do every time they get a victory, we don't whine about how this server is unfair, how corrupt it is etc, as your "server mongrels" do as well. We don't exploit, cheat or do anything to gain a "exploitive advantage" as you say, we are actually against cheaters. If anyone in Nihilum is found cheating, they're pretty much expelled immediately (an example of this is when Oppressor was found 2boxing during a raid farming his VP key on an alt). Your "server mongrels" actually encourage their members to gain said "exploitive advantage" to fight us due to our domination.

These kind of posts irritate me, because honestly it just sounds like you're just crying cause you want mobs given to you on a silver platter and don't want to compete for them.

We are perfectly content with our reputation and don't feel any need at all to change it. We pve to pvp, any other theories you have are just wrong.

Enjoy being sided with your "server mongrels".

[Nothxu]

Azrael sure is lucky to have someone as insightful and articulate on their side.

[Colgate]

shrimp u r a retard

[Bidin]

Thanks Colgate.

[Bidin]

I am completely crushed you feel that way. I'm crying IRL about it right now.
Ohwait no I'm not.

[runlvlzero]

Regarding your section about sportsmanship:

I believe you are implying we aren't very sportsmanlike. I disagree completely. We never rub in our victories, like your "server mongrels" do every time they get a victory, we don't whine about how this server is unfair, how corrupt it is etc, as your "server mongrels" do as well. We don't exploit, cheat or do anything to gain a "exploitive advantage" as you say, we are actually against cheaters. If anyone in Nihilum is found cheating, they're pretty much expelled immediately (an example of this is when Oppressor was found 2boxing during a raid farming his VP key on an alt). Your "server mongrels" actually encourage their members to gain said "exploitive advantage" to fight us due to our domination.


OK a matter of perspective and you guys DO help noobs out a lot. But not all of you. Some of the worst players ARE in your guild, tied to it, or secret alts of it. Also, you guys do cry foul a lot of times. I see tons of people complaining about lite boxing, colgate hacking, yadda yadda, it goes back and forth. Sometimes you guys can keep your mouths quiet about it, sometimes not. I see a lot of trolling about game mechanics and other things. You guys do your fair share of crying about the oppositino being the only problem this server has.

Yet the only players I see actively trying to change things are players like Samwise, and Lite.



These kind of posts irritate me, because honestly it just sounds like you're just crying cause you want mobs given to you on a silver platter and don't want to compete for them.

We are perfectly content with our reputation and don't feel any need at all to change it. We pve to pvp, any other theories you have are just wrong.

Enjoy being sided with your "server mongrels".

I don't want your mobs. Your loot. I want to enjoy leveling without being ganked by 10 of your redcon your alts for yet another pixel. I don't even care anymore about that. You can't play this box solo. But your zerglike guild makes it extremely hard for people to have a network outside of it. So if anyone disagrees with Nihilum, DKP, or raiding, they basically get told to STFU and grovel.

[Retti_]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/didn_0757c9_1981659.gif

[Dacuk]

We don't exploit, cheat or do anything to gain a "exploitive advantage" as you say, we are actually against cheaters. If anyone in Nihilum is found cheating, they're pretty much expelled immediately

lol wow what a line. sad thing is you probably even believe it.

[runlvlzero]

TLDR again, you force the opposition to exist in the current state that it does through your actions. As a guild. Want less bitter people? Be nicer. Don't demand they join Nihilum. Don't deride people for not. Take a lesson in humility.

[Yagebasto]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/did%20not%20read/grand/did-not-read-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1225.gif

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z5qjqv&s=6#.UnFsFxD7iLU

[runlvlzero]

lol wow what a line. sad thing is you probably even believe it.

[runlvlzero]

I don't think I need to even debate (on behalf of the entire community) the accuracy of his statements.

[runlvlzero]

You guys don't really "pvp tho". lol. Just don't believe it. I've played on this server long enough to understand pvp.

You play to raid at casual times. Anything that threatens that is bad. Including pvp.

[Retti_]

I love pvp

Ur just a lvl 35 nerd simmer down

[runlvlzero]

I love pvp

Ur just a lvl 35 nerd simmer down

50.7 my friend.

[Retti_]

Maybe u should get 52+ before making thread after thread about end game

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mind-blown.gif

[Andis]

retti 1v1 lets go

[Retti_]

All day

[Andis]

no backup tho

I had quite the time fighting 5 v 1 last night in TT

ninja status

[Retti_]

Thats what it takes cus ur infamous for gating on first pumice

Rettiwalk > Andis
Draga > Andis
Draga > Shazam

Now u wanna make it Duress > Andis ?

[heartbrand]

Problem with poster above me is that the vast majority of the evil resistance people he references are now actually tagged Nihilum

[Retti_]

Rofl

[Andis]

till youve slain me 1v1 please refrain from using > signs (which will be never)

but pls go on

[Lionfish Roundup]

dgaf

not reading poster too dum

[runlvlzero]

Maybe u should get 52+ before making thread after thread about end game

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mind-blown.gif

Was, will be again, and probably again. Workin in it for ya right now )

[runlvlzero]

Problem with poster above me is that the vast majority of the evil resistance people he references are now actually tagged Nihilum

Teehheee

[Labanen]

Well lite does in fact box very obviously from time to time, i think we all have a fraps or two with it, we ve submitted a few of them too. Ill give you that samwise did start something good with vae victis or w/e the name was. Did you know that nizzar made a post on our forum saying not to kill or grief them so we d have a better server? That changed later of course, but thats what youd expect when opposition emerges on a pvp server.

Also i think i ve sponsored more than my fair share of the server newbies (or alts from either guild). Point is its not as onesided as you make it out to be.

[runlvlzero]

I admitted it wasn't one sided. I just don't think <Nihilum> are the good guys. Workin on building towards the good guys. Maybe one day. I don't even know anymore.

[Langrisserx]

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss14/Marshall79/wherestheBeef.jpg

[Greegon]

I believe you are implying we aren't very sportsmanlike. I disagree completely. We never rub in our victories, like your "server mongrels" do every time they get a victory, we don't whine about how this server is unfair, how corrupt it is etc, as your "server mongrels" do as well. We don't exploit, cheat or do anything to gain a "exploitive advantage" as you say, we are actually against cheater

Enjoy being sided with your "server mongrels".

lol this is so fucking wrong, nihilum does rub shit in just as much.

they're also the original exploiters with pocket GMs like paymelinda that will ban another guild for doing the same shit without punishing the original offenders (note that I was never in holocaust, nor did I like them). Obviously RMTing going even without mellowyellow's post

runlvlzero not even affiliated with azrael man, you dum

[Greegon]

then again you probably weren't around for a lot of that, just another bandwagoning bluebie shitstain

[Recycled Children]

I have a Tola's robe because of Nihilum. I have a good chunk of money because of porting Nihilum.

No other guild has ever helped me, ever.

[mtb tripper]

well hello recycled children, you changed your avatar and sig, i like it

[runlvlzero]

I have a Tola's robe because of Nihilum. I have a good chunk of money because of porting Nihilum.

No other guild has ever helped me, ever.

Individual people are not bad. We covered this. The institution is partly to blame yes.

Things are looking up though. But there are no groups LFG except amongst my closer acquaintances 50+ which is pretty damn sad. Looks like 50-60 will be brutal with everyone quitting at 48 or joining Nihilum.

[heartbrand]

The richest Americans give the most charity but that doesn't mean they're the most charitable it could simply mean they have the most means to give and statistically speaking they do not give the greatest percentage of their income to charity. Pretty much the same here, it's hard to ask the opposition who are wearing batskull earrings and shit to give you jumpy robes.

[runlvlzero]

Anyway don't get me wrong, I think both sides are helpful enough in general. It's what happens after the pixels are given.

[Retti_]

The richest Americans give the most charity but that doesn't mean they're the most charitable it could simply mean they have the most means to give and statistically speaking they do not give the greatest percentage of their income to charity. Pretty much the same here, it's hard to ask the opposition who are wearing batskull earrings and shit to give you jumpy robes.

But azrael is farming heiro cloaks royals fhowling stones and fungi tunics 23 hours a day 7 days a week?

[runlvlzero]

But azrael is farming heiro cloaks royals fhowling stones and fungi tunics 23 hours a day 7 days a week?

Idk, before Miria's pw was changed I went to seb and healed for a bunch of Azrael. No one was boxing, and they didnt make it to fungi.

I'm sure theres a few people out there in both guilds that sit there on duo's/trios and own it.

Not enough groups going for that stuff. i can't tell you exactly why. You would think....

[Retti_]

Considering there was a heiro and fingerbone hoop group in 2 sep channels every day I was in ts im calling BS

[Bazia]

who cares what nihilum does

if people want to raid pixels more power to them imo

[susvain0362]

shrimp gave me maybe 2k in gear so far, and offering me the shaman staff off draco too that ive yet to remind him about, and he knows i want to combat Nihilum

[mtb tripper]

shrimp

[runlvlzero]

Shrimp a good guy )

[Recycled Children]

well hello recycled children, you changed your avatar and sig, i like it

Thanks. Gotta rep the guild.

People need to spend less time complaining about top guilds and more time attempting to do something about it. If you do the actual work you could knock them out of power but no one wants to do that and one guild always controls the raid scene. Be better than they are and you'll see some serious change or if you just want to raid then join them and stop taking some illusory moral high road by being anti-top guild.

[runlvlzero]

Thanks. Gotta rep the guild.

People need to spend less time complaining about top guilds and more time attempting to do something about it. If you do the actual work you could knock them out of power but no one wants to do that and one guild always controls the raid scene. Be better than they are and you'll see some serious change or if you just want to raid then join them and stop taking some illusory moral high road by being anti-top guild.

/agree 100%

Nihilum, members have this attitude too however. As illustrated by Vyrenoth and Elderan and Bidin.

P.S. Rellapse IDK if you were here for the dark shameful days. Joining Nihilum is a bit like joining a cursed vampire clan.

Another outstanding Nihilum player IMO Vaporize still. Haven't seen much action from him. They exist. But the guild sux bros. Don't make it out to be cool, fun, or good. Except for that pixels.

[Bidin]

/agree 100%
Shrimp a good guy )

/agree 100%

Nihilum, members have this attitude too however. As illustrated by Vyrenoth and Elderan and Bidin.


Im confused, you pras me in one post and then insult me in the next.

[Bidin]

Oh and Ojdajuiceman, I still remember that I said you can have that staff. It's still in my inventory.

[runlvlzero]

Im confused, you pras me in one post and then insult me in the next.

Maybe your a good guy who makes f'ing retarded posts? You drinkin serious koolaid bro.

[Dullah]

Guy comes to red forums, believes the trolls with the innocence of a retarded child and proceeds to regurgitate his newly acquired idiocy (in 90% TLDR format) while never even having leveling a character here.

retard.jpg

[Colgate]

wait you mean nihilum isn't a zerg that doesn't want competition, isn't lead by people banned on the blue server, wasn't founded on exploitation, and doesn't harbor the largest collection of scumbags on the server such as yourself?

you mean people are just making that up?????????????

[Yagebasto]

http://i.imgur.com/GZUKvFD.gif

fuck this gif never gets old

[hagard]

fuck this gif never gets old

u prob wack it to big mussulmen u fgt

[Kergan]

[QUOTE=runlvlzero;1166068
But you guys are not running newbie feeder guilds. You have half your chars unguilded and ganking people without wearing targets. You let spells rot in seb. You don't run /random 100 pug raids for any of the smaller guilds like <Serenity> was, or <Knights of Ni> style guilds. You don't have your alts in a friendly guild. You run around in the best gear you can and kill anyone who disagrees with you no matter how unsportsmanlike it is. You will take any borderline in game exploitive advantage you can just to avoid getting overrun by the "server mongrels".
[/QUOTE]

I debated even bothering with my 2 cents on this one but w/e its RnF right?

A definition of entitlement, from Websters: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges).

Look, Nihilum players started on this server just like the rest of us. They don't owe anyone anything, and nobody here is entitled to anything.

I see nothing wrong with them playing the "evil empire" role on this server. I don't even think that is bad for the server. The issue is the other side, the lack of any organized resistance and the fact nearly every mid level guild does nothing except attack each other. Your guild chased a small group I had going out of the spectre camp in Feerott last night for example. IMO that is a waste of everyone's time, but that is only my opinion. Some people come here to do nothing but PVP at any level, I'm personally focused on getting max level and pvping at that point.

Who exactly are the "friendly guilds" Nihilum would put alts in? The only mid level guilds I see running around now are FoH (who attack anyone on site), Charles Bronson (do the same), KWSN (brand new to the server) and Neriak Strip Club, your former(?) guild who are small but seem to be non hostile.

Are you suggesting they form a feeder guild, toss their alts in it and basically plvl up a force to fight later on?

Direct your hate toward the 55+ non Nilly crowd who refuse to organize a decent resistance, and guilds like your own who do far more to cripple new/leveling up players than any other guild on the server.

[pharmakos]

^^ this guy is smart

[Retti_]

I got a tstaff last night went to mistmoore found a newb in half cloth and gave him a fungi robe 2 jac rings and tstaff

# Nihilum

[runlvlzero]

Nihilum stop being faggots at level 50+ to the rest of the server, thx.

[runlvlzero]

I debated even bothering with my 2 cents on this one but w/e its RnF right?

A definition of entitlement, from Websters: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges).

Look, Nihilum players started on this server just like the rest of us. They don't owe anyone anything, and nobody here is entitled to anything.

I see nothing wrong with them playing the "evil empire" role on this server. I don't even think that is bad for the server. The issue is the other side, the lack of any organized resistance and the fact nearly every mid level guild does nothing except attack each other. Your guild chased a small group I had going out of the spectre camp in Feerott last night for example. IMO that is a waste of everyone's time, but that is only my opinion. Some people come here to do nothing but PVP at any level, I'm personally focused on getting max level and pvping at that point.

Who exactly are the "friendly guilds" Nihilum would put alts in? The only mid level guilds I see running around now are FoH (who attack anyone on site), Charles Bronson (do the same), KWSN (brand new to the server) and Neriak Strip Club, your former(?) guild who are small but seem to be non hostile.

Are you suggesting they form a feeder guild, toss their alts in it and basically plvl up a force to fight later on?

Direct your hate toward the 55+ non Nilly crowd who refuse to organize a decent resistance, and guilds like your own who do far more to cripple new/leveling up players than any other guild on the server.

idgaf about ur fucking loots, but when you roll 32 to faydedary and all the bluebie faggots "feel the need" to roll nihilum, it's the most fucking lame thing I have ever seen

P.S. I don't want to go pug and random with Nihilum.

Fuck your stupid ass entitlement arguments. I'm tellin you guys what it looks like from the outside, than you have people like Tune, an Elderan with their leaderboards and /plugging/gate potting ways.

And only because YOU GUYS feel entitled to it. And you come here and Nihilums only DEFENSE is that "we were here first, didnt get banned for sploitin, were entitled, GM azrak on our side"

[runlvlzero]

Nah nah, you guys got shit on the reg, and than a bunch of traitors joined your guild for EZ mode.

[runlvlzero]

Keep being entitled to your EZ mode bitches. It's just gonna be you guys on at 8am raiding pixels. And real pvpers gonna be laughing every single time they see that shit.

[pharmakos]

i got my first PVP death last night. zoned into a group of 6 Bronson at the entrance to Mistmoore. zoned out after getting nuked down to 50%, then got chased down by an SK with an OOR bard in his group singing run speed song.

Nihilum are not the only ones on Red that like EZMode apparently.

[runlvlzero]

And you guys don't do the shit on the box to be entitled your self righteous attitude.

[Mingo]

This is this most cyclical and redundant server I've ever played on. The same exact things happen repeatedly with a different mouth uttering the same concepts. Nihilum gets 90% of the raid content by flushing burnouts with new recruits.

Kergan i appreciate that you have a fantasy that once you're level 60 you'll have a bucolic server to pvp upon wherein honor in combat is abundant. Truth is, this is EverQuest, there is no 'end' point to start pvping. You'll always be seeking Torpor or Bane of Nife or Fungus tunic or Epic.

It's not Flowers of Happiness that is turning people towards Nihilum when they get higher level, that's just the excuse you're willing to use b/c your jimmies were rustled that you had to flee from pvp at level 40, one time, for 15 minutes, on a Wednesday night.

If you're here to pvp, dont wait for 60, go pvp. If you're here to make a powerful ogre with shiny armor and a full spellbook and then maybe, once, cast a dot on someone then carry on christian soldier, enjoy Nihlum in 3 months, because that's where you can attain that goal.

[runlvlzero]

i got my first PVP death last night. zoned into a group of 6 Bronson at the entrance to Mistmoore. zoned out after getting nuked down to 50%, then got chased down by an SK with an OOR bard in his group singing run speed song.

Nihilum are not the only ones on Red that like EZMode apparently.

you zoned into MM at the wrong time, I see a lot of bronson roll alone, or in 2's they don't always group, you got them at a bad time lol. Of course their going to kill you.

If people have jboots/clickies, you really need 3 people to bring them down sometimes. To stop gate or, cc, interupt.

But 32 is fucking lame. And nah nah, I seen Flowers 1v1 or 2v1 me even though they could have busted out more in pvp, rather they jousted instead. Of course they didnt let me win, but they weren't fucks about it.

[runlvlzero]

Irah, and Hurb are pretty funny tho, they don't normall pvp solo.

[pharmakos]

you zoned into MM at the wrong time, I see a lot of bronson roll alone, or in 2's they don't always group, you got them at a bad time lol. Of course their going to kill you.

and Nihilum can keep their grip on end game content, of course they're going to. *shrugs*

[runlvlzero]

In CoM you could have let your fucking ubertwink bluecons duel me Nihilum. But no your fucking entitled to being bluebies.

[runlvlzero]

and Nihilum can keep their grip on end game content, of course they're going to. *shrugs*

Yet they whine about everyone who slams them for it? Their not entitled to not getting bitched at for being A. Bad sports, B. lame players. C. cheating fucks.

[runlvlzero]

This is this most cyclical and redundant server I've ever played on. The same exact things happen repeatedly with a different mouth uttering the same concepts. Nihilum gets 90% of the raid content by flushing burnouts with new recruits.

Kergan i appreciate that you have a fantasy that once you're level 60 you'll have a bucolic server to pvp upon wherein honor in combat is abundant. Truth is, this is EverQuest, there is no 'end' point to start pvping. You'll always be seeking Torpor or Bane of Nife or Fungus tunic or Epic.

It's not Flowers of Happiness that is turning people towards Nihilum when they get higher level, that's just the excuse you're willing to use b/c your jimmies were rustled that you had to flee from pvp at level 40, one time, for 15 minutes, on a Wednesday night.

If you're here to pvp, dont wait for 60, go pvp. If you're here to make a powerful ogre with shiny armor and a full spellbook and then maybe, once, cast a dot on someone then carry on christian soldier, enjoy Nihlum in 3 months, because that's where you can attain that goal.

Thank god someone with a brain shows up in thread. I like Kergan, but IDK what he is doing on this box, other than apping to Nihilum after soloing a whole bunch.

[pharmakos]

Yet they whine about everyone who slams them for it? Their not entitled to not getting bitched at for being A. Bad sports, B. lame players. C. cheating fucks.

my only point is: even if A, B, and C are true, they are far from the only people on the server that A, B, and C apply to.

[runlvlzero]

But my beef is that, we get koolaid up in here talkin shit about how they are the best of the best MMO players on the planet. Nah nah.

[runlvlzero]

So suck it Nihilum, your getting flamed :p

[pharmakos]

But my beef is that, we get koolaid up in here talkin shit about how they are the best of the best MMO players on the planet. Nah nah.

yeah that seems to be the modus operandi for the entire vocal majority server though *shrugs*

[Silikten]

But my beef is that, we get koolaid up in here talkin shit about how they are the best of the best MMO players on the planet. Nah nah.

Only people who think that are them. Even when <Azrael> shit stomps then w/ mid 50s

[Labanen]

So suck it Nihilum, your getting flamed :p
Sure seems more like tears than flames, sorry you re so angry.

This is just a game.

[runlvlzero]

I dunno from what I can tell Nihilum hates me pretty bad :P so they got some tears lol. And I haven't even had to touch their pixels, just their good name.

[Kergan]

idgaf about ur fucking loots, but when you roll 32 to faydedary and all the bluebie faggots "feel the need" to roll nihilum, it's the most fucking lame thing I have ever seen

P.S. I don't want to go pug and random with Nihilum.

Fuck your stupid ass entitlement arguments. I'm tellin you guys what it looks like from the outside, than you have people like Tune, an Elderan with their leaderboards and /plugging/gate potting ways.

And only because YOU GUYS feel entitled to it. And you come here and Nihilums only DEFENSE is that "we were here first, didnt get banned for sploitin, were entitled, GM azrak on our side"

I just don't understand your argument bro. It seems like you're saying Nihilum should take an active roll in building their own competition. And Nihilum's defense against what? I think their role on the server is pretty clear, being the top PVE guild that the majority who want to do the PVE game will be drawn to.

I guess if your complaint is against human nature in general (following the path of least resistance) I can understand that, but again...it's human nature why would you expect any different?

The simple fact of the matter is people aren't choosing to Nihilum vs. another similar guild. The choice as it exists right now is if I want to do any PVE I join Nihilum, period. There isn't another option, which is the point I've been trying to make. If your argument is "people who want loot are lame" then you picked the wrong game. This game is 100% about loot, there is no other form of character progression. If you like EQ PVP and don't want to participate in the PVE game there are servers out there that give you a level 60 and your choice of gear and you go duke it out FPS style.

Sorry man, I respect you but I read this post as more of an anti EverQuest post then anti-Nihilum.

And for the record, I have the same outside view as you do. I'm not Nihilum, I'm not anybody. I solo 95% of the time and don't have any allegiances outside of friends I knew coming into Red and the ones I've met along the way. I see the exact same problems you see, and I don't disagree there is a problem. But I guess where we do disagree is who is at fault, or even if there is fault to be given. My limited view based solely on what I've experienced since coming to red:
1. I've had direct interaction with Nihilum a total of one time (at least on a tagged toon) and it was a cleric who exp rezzed me after I died in Cazic Thule.
2. I've had 0 direct interaction with anyone in Azrael (again, tagged) outside of Agatha who seems like a genuinely decent person (and I realize he isn't in Az anymore, but regardless).
3. I've been KoS'd by every FoH aside from Floozy, managed to live through the attacks thus far but I'll get dropped eventually.
4. I've been randomly attacked by a few untagged people, nothing out of the ordinary.
5. I've grouped with/leveled along side Knights of Say Ni, Neriak Strip Club and probably a few other smaller mid level guilds and untagged people without incident.

So just from my limited perspective here, which guild am I looking at as the enemy? Don't take what I'm saying about FoH personally. You guys are doing what you want to do and I respect that. But you made a post blaming all the server problems on another guild when a lot of the problems you listed are more indicative of your own guild rather than the one you're criticizing, specifically in this paragraph:


But you guys are not running newbie feeder guilds. You have half your chars unguilded and ganking people without wearing targets. You let spells rot in seb. You don't run /random 100 pug raids for any of the smaller guilds like <Serenity> was, or <Knights of Ni> style guilds. You don't have your alts in a friendly guild. You run around in the best gear you can and kill anyone who disagrees with you no matter how unsportsmanlike it is. You will take any borderline in game exploitive advantage you can just to avoid getting overrun by the "server mongrels".

Again, don't take this is as me ripping on you or FoH. If what you're doing is fun and is within the rules then I support it 100%. I'm sure you guys will get me a bunch of times as I level up, but I'll try to put up a good fight.

[pharmakos]

again.... this guy^ is smart

[pharmakos]

except for i don't think runlvlzero is in FoH

[Retti_]

I dunno from what I can tell Nihilum hates me pretty bad :P so they got some tears lol. And I haven't even had to touch their pixels, just their good name.

We get free trak BP for killing you and your not even 52

Most wanted list

[runlvlzero]

We get free trak BP for killing you and your not even 52

Most wanted list

Glad I can keep the end game interesting for you losers.

[runlvlzero]

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Again, don't take this is as me ripping on you or FoH. If what you're doing is fun and is within the rules then I support it 100%. I'm sure you guys will get me a bunch of times as I level up, but I'll try to put up a good fight.

Yep, and you'll probably get me, or us a few times. lol.

[Sektor]

bunch of players I never heard before writing essays. Tldr

[freez]

wipe it clean

[jeffd]

someone from azrael needs to calm runlvlzero down before he has a fucking heart attack

[runlvlzero]

someone from azrael needs to calm runlvlzero down before he has a fucking heart attack

http://i.imgur.com/nN3ZO1L.gif

I got accused of "Ezmode" for joining flowers.... dunno if I will give Azrael a chance anytime soon. I appreciate their generosity. But I just want to xp and pvp.

[Kergan]

bunch of players I never heard before writing essays. Tldr

I guess that's kind of the point right? We're talking about this server pre 55, as we haven't been here long and are still leveling up.

[runlvlzero]

wipe it clean

fresh starts would be nice...

would love to see some of these fools pvp without mommy and daddys gear, pls, and or even xp grind.

[Kergan]

except for i don't think runlvlzero is in FoH

As of last night I believe he was. Was a surprise to me :)

[Kergan]

fresh starts would be nice...

would love to see some of these fools pvp without mommy and daddys gear, pls, and or even xp grind.

Teams bro!

[pharmakos]

fresh starts would be nice...

would love to see some of these fools pvp without mommy and daddys gear, pls, and or even xp grind.

so you think they're on top just because they had a headstart?

i don't think so

the same exact situations would arise again even if there was a fresh start

[freez]

fresh starts would be nice...

would love to see some of these fools pvp without mommy and daddys gear, pls, and or even xp grind.

no shit

im not waiting a year to start on the next box.

some people gonna have their feelers hurt

[freez]

so you think they're on top just because they had a headstart?

i don't think so

the same exact situations would arise again even if there was a fresh start

ya id say a group of 40 with a head start is a nice advantage.

are u dum

[pharmakos]

it obviously is an advantage, but not such a huge advantage that the entire server needs to be wiped now.

[freez]

and how long have you played on the top end? Oh you have 2 months till 55?


wipe or blue server

[pharmakos]

the server is old, but anyone with the time and dedication is going to be able to compete in the end game.

[pharmakos]

i'll be 55 way sooner than 2 months from now.

[freez]

yeah, if I decide to snap my spine in half and join nihilum



do you understand

[freez]

oh I see, you seem to be dedicated. Looking foreward to your nihilum app.

[pharmakos]

less QQ more pewpew

[pharmakos]

exp bonus is so huge on red, runlvlzero could have gotten another level or two on his characters in the time it took him to write the first post in this thread =p

[freez]

My point is, I have seen the end game on this server for the past two years.

you are level 40

you have no clue on the state of the server in reality, its about to turn in to another blue server any day.

[Lionfish Roundup]

wipe it clean

best post in whole thread

rest is bullshit

[pharmakos]

yeah when you put it that way, you might be right man. idk yet. if you are right, though, a wipe isn't gonna solve shit. a fresh server would have the same dudes with too much time on their hands back dominating the end game in a month or two.

[runlvlzero]

exp bonus is so huge on red, runlvlzero could have gotten another level or two on his characters in the time it took him to write the first post in this thread =p

level 50 rogue lfg.

[pharmakos]

@ freez