About Spawn variance....

[Supreme]

No one beat LoS to AoW, so I assume that was the only raid you were on. Since no one beat you on your watch.

So because LoS had one server wide raid that was hosted/run by LoS and there happened to be SoS/Remedy etc etc that somehow gives you the ticket that you "beat" LoS to content?

Seriously STFU. You are an embarrassment to your guild sir.

[Supreme]

No one beat LoS to AoW, so I assume that was the only raid you were on. Since no one beat you on your watch.

Stop backpedaling you are making yourself look like an idiot.

[Valent]

LoS had 1 world first yet no one beat you to content. You SURE you want to make that statement?

[Supreme]

LoS had 1 world first yet no one beat you to content. You SURE you want to make that statement?

i see what you are trying to do..

On the NAMELESS on MY WATCH there was no one better than LoS.

[Valent]

Im just letting you know there are alot of other players on this emu server that have just as many and even more live accomplishments than LoS members. LoS was one of the top guilds. The way you whine about raid rules and talk about spawn mechanics makes you seem like a newb.

You guys put alot of hardwork into live. Your putting alot of tears into this emulator.

[Supreme]

So you are proposing that everyone should camp their tune out in the zone except a tracker, when a boss spawns every rush and try to log them in first? That is about the most retarded proposal ever...

If you outlaw camping in boss zones everyone will just camp outside the zone ready to zone in...

What if someone is clearing a zone and the boss spawns?

... the only thing that will work with the current amount of content is camping or rotations

I think keeping spawn variance with a rotation and then allowing for a 1-2 hour window for guilds to take down the boss. You will have some guilds that will have spawns happen outside their raid times and those mobs will be straight FTE.

[Supreme]

Im just letting you know there are alot of other players on this emu server that have just as many and even more live accomplishments than LoS members. LoS was top guild. The way you whine about raid rules and talk about spawn mechanics makes you seem like a newb.

Ya trying to work with other players to address a problem is whining.

How about you stop whining about me trying to address a problem and you will stop looking like a pot calling the kettle black m'kay?

Or better yet why do not announce to us who you are and where you are coming from since you seem to have some kind of rep to back yourself up.

[Valent]

Inspect me you might figure it out

[Supreme]

You guys put alot of hardwork into live. Your putting alot of tears into this emulator.


Any attempt to address a problem is considered crying. You should stop crying about me "crying".

[Valent]

I think its funny how such an uber player on live cant hack it on a emulator.

[Supreme]

BTW lots of great posts there new forum troll.

[Supreme]

I think its funny how such an uber player on live cant hack it on a emulator.


You almost made me laugh.




















































almost.

[hueylewis187]

I have ideas each have their flaws. But it'd stop the pooping in a sock or w/e.

These are just ideas. Nothing more.

1. Have all raid mobs spawn every 30minutes. This way guilds can farm what they need. Than move on. It gives all guilds a chance to kill the raid mobs and have fun. People will say this ruins the economy and everyone will have raid loot. I say who cares just have fun. Increase the epic mob spawn times also. Those bottlenecks suck. It will just change the economy. Not ruin it. Make veeshans peak and temple of veeshan normal spawn times. To keep the uber people feeling uber. And fight in there about shyt.

2. Calender system where you can reserve 1 day per week of the zone of your choice. With a big variance on the named popping. If another guild has the zone for that 24 hour span. You may not kill their mobs if they are in the zone.

[Aum]

I have ideas each have their flaws. But it'd stop the pooping in a sock or w/e.

These are just ideas. Nothing more.

1. Have all raid mobs spawn every 30minutes. This way guilds can farm what they need. Than move on. It gives all guilds a chance to kill the raid mobs and have fun. People will say this ruins the economy and everyone will have raid loot. I say who cares just have fun. Increase the epic mob spawn times also. Those bottlenecks suck. It will just change the economy. Not ruin it. Make veeshans peak and temple of veeshan normal spawn times. To keep the uber people feeling uber. And fight in there about shyt.

2. Calender system where you can reserve 1 day per week of the zone of your choice. With a big variance on the named popping. If another guild has the zone for that 24 hour span. You may not kill their mobs if they are in the zone.


Look, stairs...

[mmiles8]

Any attempt this thread had at being constructive died 23 pages ago. Grow up folks.

[Rhalous]

You all are aware there is a Rants and Flames section to these forums, right?

Anyway, as one of Divinity's two primary Raid Leaders, I have discussed many different proposed solutions to the current raid rules with everyone from my own guild members to four hour meetings with other guild leaders, and I can honestly say that nothing written in the last few pages of this forum, including the ideas behind the IB/DA/WI write up, is new to me.

The guild meetings are a great way to get things accomplished, but the air can get stale rather quickly. Without new ideas circulating, guild leaders get bored of hearing the same things and will quickly turn old ideas down once again. Perhaps with the addition of WI and the newly emerged Trans, we can get some new ideas going again. I, for one, welcome any and all ideas for discussion and hope we can get these meetings going in the right direction again.

I will say, however, that the constant flaming is just pathetic and does hurt server morale when people are trying to come up with better solutions to these issues. Keep it clean and maybe we can actually get something accomplished here.

[Holey]

I think its funny how such an uber player on live cant hack it on a emulator.

Lol just another poopsocker. go get a shirt and fill it with poop
it holds more.

[Uaellaen]

Ya? You know Tigole personally?

i do! and he would shit him self laughing if he would read about this ... camping .. stuff ...

[Holey]

sorry ill say this. camping is the waste of life + playing eq.

[logiktrip]

I really not care less about what guild you guys were in on live, flame each other in PMs.

Bumamgar: I don't have any personal problems with how this was done, but you have to realize that any changes (or proposals to change) raiding rules would be better received by people if it had some kind of transparency rather than doing so behind closed doors with 3 guilds (2 of which have created our current raiding scene). Considering you are a dev here, it's just inevitable that someone will throw out the favoritism comment to get a rise out of you.

I don't engage in any of this camping of raid mobs for days - I think everyone involved in the raiding game will agree that something needs to change, but you cannot tell me you didn't expect at least a little backlash from this sort of proposal. We've proven time and time again on this server than agreements between specific guilds do not work out how they were designed(See IB+Trans, short-lived rotations, and now our current situation as examples).

[Humerox]

With the exception of some older players, most don't understand why the rules changed on the server to begin with.

http://project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5778


I'll admit that these rules aren't perfect, but we are trying to work in the best interest of everyone with the limited resources we have. To me, there are 2 big problems right now that we are trying to work around.

A.) There are more raid-ready guilds than there is raid content.
B.) Camping raid mobs is not illegal.

There are too many guilds to include in a rotation with not enough content to go around fairly. Also, if a guild wants to sit in a zone for 4 days straight to have first dibs at a spawn, they may. With the guild meeting and the above rules, we are trying to promote races to content and discourage raid camping.

The current problem was foreseen, but wasn't addressed. Time to change that. Takes work, but the server has done it before. The rules were written by the guilds on the server, and the abuse demands a rewrite.

[mmiles8]

Bumamgar: I don't have any personal problems with how this was done, but you have to realize that any changes (or proposals to change) raiding rules would be better received by people if it had some kind of transparency rather than doing so behind closed doors with 3 guilds (2 of which have created our current raiding scene). Considering you are a dev here, it's just inevitable that someone will throw out the favoritism comment to get a rise out of you.


Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

[Humerox]

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

Pages 18 & 19.

[Bumamgar]

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

Yeah, I posted the apparently damning revelation that an officer in my guild tried to be proactive and come up with a solution to the campfest by approaching the two guilds that were engaged in camping at the time to see if there was a set of raiding rules that they would both be willing to agree to. Succeeding in that, those rules were presented to Nilbog and rejected.

Since I didn't bitchslap this officer down and demand that he approach every member of the server individually to get their opinion on the situation, I'm apparently a sneaky, manipulative bastard abusing my dev position for nefarious means, or something like that. I had some trouble following the convoluted forum troll logic, to be honest.

[Supreme]

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

Sometimes you got to bring out the Spam Bat to beat a_forum_troll_162.

[Humerox]

retracted

[Supreme]

Yeah, I posted the apparently damning revelation that an officer in my guild tried to be proactive and come up with a solution to the campfest by approaching the two guilds that were engaged in camping at the time to see if there was a set of raiding rules that they would both be willing to agree to. Succeeding in that, those rules were presented to Nilbog and rejected.

Since I didn't bitchslap this officer down and demand that he approach every member of the server individually to get their opinion on the situation, I'm apparently a sneaky, manipulative bastard abusing my dev position for nefarious means, or something like that. I had some trouble following the convoluted forum troll logic, to be honest.

For the record..i never was a part of that group.

I would like to reiterate the point of this thread.

We should have a 5-7 day spawn variance and not a 5-9 day. We should be seeing 16-20 mobs on a 30 day cycle instead of 12-20.

That is all.

[Skope]

Yeah, I posted the apparently damning revelation that an officer in my guild tried to be proactive and come up with a solution to the campfest by approaching the two guilds that were engaged in camping at the time to see if there was a set of raiding rules that they would both be willing to agree to. Succeeding in that, those rules were presented to Nilbog and rejected.

Since I didn't bitchslap this officer down and demand that he approach every member of the server individually to get their opinion on the situation, I'm apparently a sneaky, manipulative bastard abusing my dev position for nefarious means, or something like that. I had some trouble following the convoluted forum troll logic, to be honest.

Oh shut up... Read your own posts. The idea was introduced as a WI thing including IB/DA. You mentioned it was somebody else's only after people, including myself, assumed it was your idea, and then edited your posts. Furthermore, you knew beforehand, okayed it and gave input to that officer with complete disregard for other guilds on the server. What do you call someone with information they are privy to but knowingly refuse to give it to others who should be in on the matter at hand? Your officer approached only two guilds in a secretive fashion and expect to get some sort of sympathy from the rest of us for trying. Save it. What he did was a massive step backward, and you know it.

Whatever is decided has to be a comprehensive plan that can be read by all BEFORE it's given to the GMs. Not to mention having GM input from his/your already proposed plan would save quite a bit of effort for the people deciding the future set of rules. It shows what the GMs don't agree with and where they can be flexible. The fact that it was shot down with a half-hearted 2 sentence explanation of what it was does nobody any good and further feeds skepticism which has already grown towards what has occurred.

EDIT: my comments about your name being blue was repeated there by Klaatu. I, and others, were under the impression that these were your rules and your idea, you only clarified yourself after the fact. It's leverage with the other 2 guilds that I was referring to, not the GMs.

[G13]

The only guilds that deserve to write new raid rules are IB and DA.

The rest of you planar trash farmers can go pound sand. You put more effort on these boards whining and bitching about the raid situation than you do attempting to actually raid anything in game.

Nobody is stopping any of you lazy shit led guilds from organizing, putting pressure, roll calling, and calling timers on any guild camping a boss. Nobody. Instead you troll the forums expecting a hand out, or for you to be able to write new raid rules that favor your lack of effort. To do any of this doesn't require you to camp, so stop trying to claim that's the reason why your guilds don't do a damn thing on this server. It isn't. The truth is you don't want to put in any effort to kill mobs at all. You want shit handed to you without actually competing.

None of you are organized. None you you even try. You don't deserve a damn thing, so stop pretending like your opinion matters as far as end game content. It doesn't.

[Supreme]

The only guilds that deserve to write new raid rules are IB and DA.

The rest of you planar trash farmers can go pound sand. You put more effort on these boards whining and bitching about the raid situation than you do attempting to actually raid anything in game.

Nobody is stopping any of you lazy shit led guilds from organizing, putting pressure, roll calling, and calling timers on any guild camping a boss. Nobody. Instead you troll the forums expecting a hand out, or for you to be able to write new raid rules that favor your lack of effort. To do any of this doesn't require you to camp, so stop trying to claim that's the reason why your guilds don't do a damn thing on this server. It isn't. The truth is you don't want to put in any effort to kill mobs at all. You want shit handed to you without actually competing.

None of you are organized. None you you even try. You don't deserve a damn thing, so stop pretending like your opinion matters as far as end game content. It doesn't.

Another elitist asshat that tries to promote his own greatness while riding the tails of the established. Welcome to the discussion new guy!

Perhaps you should just read my OP and see that i have no complaints about the poopsocking. I simply pointed out that we should see 16-20 spawns in a 30 day cycle instead of 12-20. Somehow this turned into a debate about raids etc...

Either way you seem to be mislead to think that poopsocking takes some measure of skill or that it can only be done by couple guilds. Or that in fact you are so great because you do poopsock content. Trust me you are not about shit. You are doing this on a EMU with content that is 11 years old. YOU ARE NOT THAT FUCKING SPECIAL MAN!

[Auvdar]

Make bosses FFA. GM's stay out of it unless training/KSing happens. Problem solved.

This is the classic EQ I remember.

Want me to make this into a essay or something? First guild to mobilize and engage said boss wins?

[Bones]

... effort... effort ... effort...

At first I laughed... but it quickly turned to pity.

[mmiles8]

^ This. I'm amused by the bragging about the endless camping as if it deserves a medal, and even more so by those who brag about doing this during classic on live.

Unemployed 11 years and counting? Effort that deserves rewarded? Perhaps the only thing they have to look forward to, thus they defend it with this ferocity. We could all consider it a public service.

[Detnogetsovs]

When will people realize this game suck donkey balls.

[Nedala]

Looks like every guild is against poopsocking except DA. Why not just make all boss mobs completely random whitin a 7 day range? This would end the poopsocking i guess. Valent would probably /ragequit because he seems to love the poopsocking but who cares.

[Evorix]

Looks like every guild is against poopsocking except DA. Why not just make all boss mobs completely random whitin a 7 day range? This would end the poopsocking i guess. Valent would probably /ragequit because he seems to love the poopsocking but who cares.

all i can do is laugh......... sdfasdfdsa....... dadafs... lawl....... sdfasdfdsa..... lol
I LOVE FILLING MY SOCK FULL OF POOPY... =/

[Nedala]

all i can do is laugh......... sdfasdfdsa....... dadafs... lawl....... sdfasdfdsa..... lol
I LOVE FILLING MY SOCK FULL OF POOPY... =/

let me gues....member of DA?

yeah we know you have no lives and love the camping. stfu

[Evorix]

let me gues....member of DA?

yeah we know you have no lives and love the camping. stfu

im constantly at my computer 24/7 so i dont miss a roll call. eq is my life. havn't u heard? havnt u heard the word?

[Allizia]

I could provide DKP type logs from 1999 (yes some form of raid attendance did exist back then) that show up to 4-5 naggy's dying a week due to constant server restarts and patches

[Chicka]

With the exception of some older players, most don't understand why the rules changed on the server to begin with.

So that reads like this:

We found an answer!
But what about camping?
Well what about camping?
We must solve the camping issue!
It is, look here, it is explicitly allowed!
(Random dude that also appears in this thread) I approve! (and btw I'm not a hypocrite)

Not good.

[G13]

Another elitist asshat that tries to promote his own greatness while riding the tails of the established. Welcome to the discussion new guy!

Perhaps you should just read my OP and see that i have no complaints about the poopsocking. I simply pointed out that we should see 16-20 spawns in a 30 day cycle instead of 12-20. Somehow this turned into a debate about raids etc...

Either way you seem to be mislead to think that poopsocking takes some measure of skill or that it can only be done by couple guilds. Or that in fact you are so great because you do poopsock content. Trust me you are not about shit. You are doing this on a EMU with content that is 11 years old. YOU ARE NOT THAT FUCKING SPECIAL MAN!

Nobody said anything about poop socking. This is the strawman you carebears keep trying to fall back on. Maybe you need to re read the current raid rules because obviously you don't understand them. Nowhere in my post did I even mention poopsocking.

You don't have to poopsock to call timers, pressure, roll call, ect. You don't want to roll call though. You want to just login to your little EMU server, zone into sol B, and lazily kill naggy. Other people don't play this game the way you want them to play it though. They are out thinking you. Out playing you. They are organized and want the mobs more than you do. In response, you come and troll the forums with 30 paged threads full of crocodile tears.

Trans couldn't hack it 6 months ago. They aren't going to hack it now. You didn't come back trying to beat IB and DA with the current raid rules. As a matter of fact, IB wiped the floor with your retards 6 months ago when they only used a druid to track and organize after a mob popped. Now you're going to come back and try to change things? You think FFA/FTE is going to give your pathetic guild the upper hand or something? It's laughable. You people complaining of "poopsocking" and that it's just 2 guilds lazily camping a mob's spawn days in advance without any real organization or mobilization ect CLEARLY have no idea WTF you are talking about, or how the game is being played right now at the end game. Zero. None.

Nobody has ever even tried to pressure DA or IB over a boss spawn. Maybe DA once, when Draco happened to pop in prime time, and guess what, DA didn't pull draco in time and Divinity got the kill. Holy shit what a concept. This server could have been bad ass if more than 2 guilds were applying pressure and strategies to the raid rules, but no. That didn't happen. You people rolled over. I remember the foreign guilds on my classic server. They were top notch guilds, dedicated. Here they are non existent. Nobody has tried to ally with each other. Nobody has tried to shake things up in ANY way. Trans? Seriously? You guys rolled over and couldn't even hack it using a druid to track for you and mobilize. You failed miserably. Nobody in your guild would answer a batphone. That didn't require poopsocking. It required a minimum amount of effort. You failed.

You are all irrelevant. Go ahead and continue to make your crybaby threads where you complain and bitch about the raid scene. IB and DA and now WI, the only guild to step up, will slay dragons and gods while you losers farm Phinny and Shiverbacks.

[girth]

This thread delivers. Well worth the time invested. Supreme though, you need to consolidate.

Oh yeah, LOL @ the people who think it's not +/-48.

[nerfed]

AFKing in a zone does not require a poopsock.

[Uaellaen]

sorry mister G13, i think you consumed too much of your self ... calling camping mobs a strategy makes me laugh ... its like saying: standing in the line in a supermarket is my super strategy to get food, i am quite the hunter arent it?

[mmiles8]

standing in the line

In this case, isn't it more like, holding the line up in your motorized scooter, while you thrash your food stamps about, claiming superiority to all behind you because you have nowhere better to be?

[Dukat]

First off, I would advocate the random spawn time within the week and FTE claim style. I'd like to see people clearing the planes and randomly stumble upon a boss spawn. I don't see why being chained to a computer should be an activity deserving of reward. I have a full-time job, therefore I lose? In this case why should I even bother playing?

In this vein I also like the idea of having some kind of quest item that can summon a boss. Undoubtedly there would have to be a very steep cost to obtaining this quest item. For example, a potion that takes a month or so to obtain and teleports you to a room with an NPC asking you what boss you want to spawn. Everyone in the raid needs said potion, and it could only be obtained by farming the planes. Whether your guild is hardcore or casual, this is a method that could be taken advantage of.

Point is, we all want to kill bosses. Some want to beat others to the punch, some just want to relax and play on their own time. Neither style is wrong, but one is getting penalized. I understand I'm about to get e-reamed by those that jealously guard their spawns, as well as those that wish to guard the classic-ness of the server. But no one is going to get fed up and leave the game if this was introduced. Which is more than can be said for the system currently in place.

[G13]

sorry mister G13, i think you consumed too much of your self ... calling camping mobs a strategy makes me laugh ... its like saying: standing in the line in a supermarket is my super strategy to get food, i am quite the hunter arent it?

What have you and your guild ever done to try and outthink, outsmart, or outplay another guild?

Answer = Nothing

Keep on believing that "camping mobs" and "poopsocking" is like "standing in line at a supermarket". That's far from the case, but you wouldn't know that would you? All of you people claiming to have a better solution still don't get it. Eq is a very flawed game, especially classic. You can create FTE/FFA rules. It won't change a damn thing. The guilds that want it more than you do will mobilize far in advance and be absolutely prepared for when the mob spawns. That is the inevitable conclusion to non instanced content, especially when it's literally 5 raid mobs a week with a variance.

It's obvious you don't understand this which is why your guild doesn't accomplish anything here. The raid scene is what it is. Certain guilds mobilize and prepare for raid mobs way in advance. You either adapt to the situation, or you move your carebear guild over to EZ server. Your choice.

[Hogwash]

What have you and your guild ever done to try and outthink, outsmart, or outplay another guild?

Answer = Nothing

Keep on believing that "camping mobs" and "poopsocking" is like "standing in line at a supermarket". That's far from the case, but you wouldn't know that would you? All of you people claiming to have a better solution still don't get it. Eq is a very flawed game, especially classic. You can create FTE/FFA rules. It won't change a damn thing. The guilds that want it more than you do will mobilize far in advance and be absolutely prepared for when the mob spawns. That is the inevitable conclusion to non instanced content, especially when it's literally 5 raid mobs a week with a variance.

It's obvious you don't understand this which is why your guild doesn't accomplish anything here. The raid scene is what it is. Certain guilds mobilize and prepare for raid mobs way in advance. You either adapt to the situation, or you move your carebear guild over to EZ server. Your choice.
Can you take the dick out of your mouth and say that again, I couldn't understand a word you just said.

[Skope]

What have you and your guild ever done to try and outthink, outsmart, or outplay another guild?

Answer = Nothing

Keep on believing that "camping mobs" and "poopsocking" is like "standing in line at a supermarket". That's far from the case, but you wouldn't know that would you? All of you people claiming to have a better solution still don't get it. Eq is a very flawed game, especially classic. You can create FTE/FFA rules. It won't change a damn thing. The guilds that want it more than you do will mobilize far in advance and be absolutely prepared for when the mob spawns. That is the inevitable conclusion to non instanced content, especially when it's literally 5 raid mobs a week with a variance.

It's obvious you don't understand this which is why your guild doesn't accomplish anything here. The raid scene is what it is. Certain guilds mobilize and prepare for raid mobs way in advance. You either adapt to the situation, or you move your carebear guild over to EZ server. Your choice.

Guilds used to do that before even with the poopsocking, the point is why can't that happen now? The fact is sitting for 5 days at a spawn limits both the poopsockers as well as the other guilds looking to make an impact. There is no mobilization required in poopsocking, it's defined by the utter lack of it. The only mobilization i see any of you two big guilds doing is a race to see which gets to CT first so they can sit there for 4 days because of the way the spawns have been the last 3 weeks. Having a raid-force mobilization once a week isn't tactics, it isn't effort, it's a loophole in the rules that's been used and abused for months now. When the rules were revised and people weren't poopsocking guilds would actually port up and call timers frequently, but now that it's dragged on for 4-5 days beforehand there's far less of an incentive.

and nobody is vouching for a straight rotation, many of us actually want to track and mobilize. Stuff that actually requires this "effort." Currently the only way of killing a dragon/god is to sit on the spawn for 4-5 days at a time or have a raid force in there and role call or 30min timer on a guild. it's worked twice for us against DA, but it still doesn't work as a system. When a guild mobilizes and gets into a zone within 15mins of a spawn and has to contend with a guild who's been doing nothing at all the past 4 days and still gets the first shot is unfair, it's not right and quite simply shouldn't be happening.

[Uaellaen]

What have you and your guild ever done to try and outthink, outsmart, or outplay another guild?

Answer = Nothing

Keep on believing that "camping mobs" and "poopsocking" is like "standing in line at a supermarket". That's far from the case, but you wouldn't know that would you? All of you people claiming to have a better solution still don't get it. Eq is a very flawed game, especially classic. You can create FTE/FFA rules. It won't change a damn thing. The guilds that want it more than you do will mobilize far in advance and be absolutely prepared for when the mob spawns. That is the inevitable conclusion to non instanced content, especially when it's literally 5 raid mobs a week with a variance.

It's obvious you don't understand this which is why your guild doesn't accomplish anything here. The raid scene is what it is. Certain guilds mobilize and prepare for raid mobs way in advance. You either adapt to the situation, or you move your carebear guild over to EZ server. Your choice.

obviously you still dont have a clue what you are talking about. Reading this reply changed my opinion about your name, i now think the 13 stands for your age...

and oh ... we outsmart your poopsocking ... we dont participate in useless shit like that =)

[mmiles8]

I picture G13 furiously tapping away at his keys, wobbling his head as he comes up with what he thinks will be "good ones". If he didn't have to press that enter reply button, I'm almost sure he'd do a little finger snap. Anyone else?

[Humerox]

So that reads like this:

We found an answer!
But what about camping?
Well what about camping?
We must solve the camping issue!
It is, look here, it is explicitly allowed!
(Random dude that also appears in this thread) I approve! (and btw I'm not a hypocrite)

Not good.

True, but wasn't the point of the post.

Point of the post was that the guilds on the server changed the rules, and the rules can be changed again. Everyone was aware that camping could be a problem under the new rules.

What everyone's mistake was, that we were silly enough to believe that everyone wanted to actually compete. The whole premise of the 15 persons in zone was based upon mobilization.

The only reason DA and IB get the boss mobs they do is because they camp. There are guilds on the server that would wipe the floor with them if they actually competed. Most of IB isn't the old-school IB that was here before. And DA has never had the nuts to try and mobilize. Prolly don't know how.

[Allizia]

You either adapt to the situation, or you move your carebear guild over to EZ server. Your choice.

EZ server is actually more challenging than anything on 99 once you get to HoH+. Although T3/T4 is boring ass 20-45 minute tank and spanks

Server vs server competition is what I enjoyed in classic, not the BS that is going on here. Consistently waiting in line for days to beat the snot out of some poor bastard dragon before he even realizes he just spawned makes yall champions imo.

99 needs a server split or 2 to breed some healthy competition and community support for the high end guilds instead of half the server fighting each other over scraps. Do it now and let the other 2 servers catch up before Kunark and things would be drastically different. There is no other method that will make a difference, regardless of the ruleset it will be the same drama with different methods.

[Aeolwind]

Impressive, 31 pages of crap. Locking and sending to R&F.