We need a serious discussion about item loot.

[runlvlzero]

Now that population is picking up and we have a dev actually working on the server. I am very much in favor of +/-4 levels and 1 item loot + coin. Regular old school classic no drop rules apply.

Lets do this! It will change the very landscape of the server and bring meaning to bringing down people with fungis.

Maybe flag items like fungi's, manastones, and epics, as lootable from bag slots.

[K|mm Barely]

Pity reply

[runlvlzero]

Pity reply

I'll take your pity Kimm

[pharmakos]

with added mechanics so that items that are in bags can still be looted

[Aerar]

and and and, you can take their spells, and their women

[Fame]

I'm for it, but I feel that it would be best introduced on a fresh server. The thought of losing the wurmscale coat I just got makes me almost physically ill. I'm spoiled, but if I started out on a server with item loot, it would just be "the way".

[Millburn]

Pharm! You playing red now? How come we haven't met up in game yet!?

[pharmakos]

Pharm! You playing red now? How come we haven't met up in game yet!?

i've barely played either red or blue in the last month or two. i've been antisocial, still replaying through a series of old one player RPGs.

my red paladin Madriax is currently level 18ish, camped in West Karana. i'm starting to get the EQ bug again, probably gonna get into some P99 more often in the near future... especially if Velious and/or Teams comes out soon.

[Lionfish Roundup]

would not play on an item loot server

[Kergan]

Item loot was retarded on RZ and it would be even more retarded here. You think it will add to the PVP experience but instead it makes everyone run around in shitty gear and gate at the first sign of trouble.

There is a reason they took it out on RZ.

[runlvlzero]

Item loot was retarded on RZ and it would be even more retarded here. You think it will add to the PVP experience but instead it makes everyone run around in shitty gear and gate at the first sign of trouble.

There is a reason they took it out on RZ.

I liked making everyone run around in shitty gear, it made people play more together than just go off and solo. And yes. I had level 50's on item loot servers. So yeah. I know what I'm in for and how it makes people play. IMO to much pixel lust on this box. People don't just log in and play, they log in and zoom to 60, and burn out realizing the two guilds controlling the pixels are full of @sshats. There's ways to play the game with no drop loot and good gear for fights that do matter vs random xp/grinds/ganks.

Anyway YOU should LOG IN. And XP with me. At SPECS. Or something.

Further I agree with all the people worried about BIS 60's in no drop. It would take the server a long time to adjust to this kind of stuff.

[Bazia]

I dunno having been in both endgane guilds at one point I wouldn't consider either sashays, as long as you aren't some strange eccentric antisocial weirdo that is.

[Bazia]

Sashay = asshat hehe dat android

[runlvlzero]

I didn't say the guilds were asshats, I said asshats were in them. There's no denying they both have their share of "eccentric anti socials"

[JayN]

"I'm an asshole." should clearly be winning not nearly enough people being honest with themselves

[Pudge]

classic itemloot is too hardcore, will be bad for population. has been done multiple times on emu and had to be taken out because it's simply too griefy and ppl stop logging in.

however a neutered form of item loot could work imo. I say make it so you cna only loot stackable items. That's food/water, words/runes, gems, bone chips, malachites, etc.

losing these could be an annoyance, but not enough to make anyone rage log (except maybe a diamond). And ensures the victor can have fun rifling through someone's bags looking for treasure. at the very least he'll get some food or drink out of it

[Fame]

I'm for player ears like diablo 1

[Retti_]

I'm an asshole.

[Millburn]

i've barely played either red or blue in the last month or two. i've been antisocial, still replaying through a series of old one player RPGs.

my red paladin Madriax is currently level 18ish, camped in West Karana. i'm starting to get the EQ bug again, probably gonna get into some P99 more often in the near future... especially if Velious and/or Teams comes out soon.

Well shit dude when you get the itch to play hit me up. My chanter is up to 26 now but I've noticed a serious lack of shamans here on red, thinking about rerolling Millburn over here.

[Fame]

Well shit dude when you get the itch to play hit me up. My chanter is up to 26 now but I've noticed a serious lack of shamans here on red, thinking about rerolling Millburn over here.

All of em lvl 60 and hating life as shaman24B

[Liegezen]

I'm for player ears like diablo 1

Diablo 1 and 2! =)

[Glasken]

i've barely played either red or blue in the last month or two. i've been antisocial, still replaying through a series of old one player RPGs.

my red paladin Madriax is currently level 18ish, camped in West Karana. i'm starting to get the EQ bug again, probably gonna get into some P99 more often in the near future... especially if Velious and/or Teams comes out soon.


Seeing a lot of AG sigs in red forums these days... =P

[Dullah]

I liked making everyone run around in shitty gear, it made people play more together than just go off and solo. And yes. I had level 50's on item loot servers. So yeah. I know what I'm in for and how it makes people play. IMO to much pixel lust on this box. People don't just log in and play, they log in and zoom to 60, and burn out realizing the two guilds controlling the pixels are full of @sshats. There's ways to play the game with no drop loot and good gear for fights that do matter vs random xp/grinds/ganks.

Anyway YOU should LOG IN. And XP with me. At SPECS. Or something.

Further I agree with all the people worried about BIS 60's in no drop. It would take the server a long time to adjust to this kind of stuff.

Dollars to donuts u weren't even in highschool when EQ and RZ dropped.

[Greegon]

theres a clear answer to the poll
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg191/donationswelcome/Decorated%20images/thundercats.jpg

[Crenshinabon]

I am for full item loot cept primaries.
Keeps the twinks down.
People say it adds to grief but I say the opposite.
Gives casuals a reason for trying to kill the twink.


Looting food/water and taking out summon food/water spells would be hilarious.

[K|mm Barely]

Let's be real eq unforgiving enough

Not 99 ne more

[runlvlzero]

Dollars to donuts u weren't even in highschool when EQ and RZ dropped.

Hmmm, i forget in 99... that was 14 years ago? I musta been 18 if my math is correct.

Why u so mad u got to attack my age? Cause I'm better at EQ than u without MQ, hacks, and a zerg guild?

Greegon is cool :P

theres a clear answer to the poll
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg191/donationswelcome/Decorated%20images/thundercats.jpg

free kimm

[Millburn]

Seeing a lot of AG sigs in red forums these days... =P

Maybe we should form the Crimson Guard eh? :)

[Kergan]

I liked making everyone run around in shitty gear, it made people play more together than just go off and solo. And yes. I had level 50's on item loot servers. So yeah. I know what I'm in for and how it makes people play. IMO to much pixel lust on this box. People don't just log in and play, they log in and zoom to 60, and burn out realizing the two guilds controlling the pixels are full of @sshats. There's ways to play the game with no drop loot and good gear for fights that do matter vs random xp/grinds/ganks.

Anyway YOU should LOG IN. And XP with me. At SPECS. Or something.

Further I agree with all the people worried about BIS 60's in no drop. It would take the server a long time to adjust to this kind of stuff.

I never bagged my shit and found it to be a big advantage. But I was also raiding with the sabbat on RZ so I had full PoH enchanter gear and other non drops. Here the gear difference would just make PVP easy as shit for Nihilum in particular. I doubt anyone is gonna bust out Trak BPs and Cloaks of Flames, etc against someone full VP geared.

Maybe at the ripe old age of 32 I've realized that the carrot is a more powerful motivation than the stick. The token system SZ had comes to mind. I'd rather be able to gain tokens from jacking fools and use that to get stuff like gear and titles then hope I pop someone who is retarded enough to leave his manastone in an inventory slot.

What lvl you at I'm at 39 now so ready for some specs :P

[Andis]

item loot sucks

the end

thread over

[rusty81]

item loot sucks

the end

thread over

Agreed, I really don't like the idea. It honestly gives an unfair advantage to people who can play 24/7. Look at the grief now on level 53s on FFA pvp think of the grief of those people can also loot their gear.

I for one do not like this idea at all...

[Kergan]

Agreed, I really don't like the idea. It honestly gives an unfair advantage to people who can play 24/7. Look at the grief now on level 53s on FFA pvp think of the grief of those people can also loot their gear.

I for one do not like this idea at all...

People who play more should have an advantage, but even those people would find item loot boring. If people are thinking that all of a sudden a bunch of people will lose items in PVP they are wrong. People will not even equip decent items. It will make exp groups less efficient and PVP too easy. It also gives a huge advantage to casters (less gear dependent AND kill shot = loot rights) so good luck finding a tank in your exp group in the 30s and 40s. And if you do he is going to be a rocking basalt carapace and raw hide.

And I'm not into the 50s yet but I have a feeling the griefing shit is overblown. 90% of it seems to happen in CoM. Same with the lvl 15-25s whining about that fag Mrbigs in Unrest...there are probably 25 other places you can get exp just go somewhere else?

[rusty81]

People who play more should have an advantage, but even those people would find item loot boring. If people are thinking that all of a sudden a bunch of people will lose items in PVP they are wrong. People will not even equip decent items. It will make exp groups less efficient and PVP too easy. It also gives a huge advantage to casters (less gear dependent AND kill shot = loot rights) so good luck finding a tank in your exp group in the 30s and 40s. And if you do he is going to be a rocking basalt carapace and raw hide.

And I'm not into the 50s yet but I have a feeling the griefing shit is overblown. 90% of it seems to happen in CoM. Same with the lvl 15-25s whining about that fag Mrbigs in Unrest...there are probably 25 other places you can get exp just go somewhere else?

Valid points. But in Mr. bigs defense... he is actually a pretty decent guy. I view him as a wandering RED mob... My wizard gets killed by him about once a day in Unrest lol but he never talks trash, he is actually very polite. and he has never "griefed" me. Just saying is all im saying.

[Kergan]

Valid points. But in Mr. bigs defense... he is actually a pretty decent guy. I view him as a wandering RED mob... My wizard gets killed by him about once a day in Unrest lol but he never talks trash, he is actually very polite. and he has never "griefed" me. Just saying is all im saying.

I think getting jacked by a supertwinked level 20 epic/fungi rogue qualifies as being griefed bro.

[Retti_]

Item loot on teams99 imo

[SamwiseRed]

mr bigs has killed my alts but allowed lns. i think thats why i dont consider it griefing, pvp != grief.

[Fame]

I view him as a wandering RED mob...

glad I'm not the only one

[runlvlzero]

MrBigs is not that bad and neither is slumlord or the rest. But it's fun to QQ/rant/use them as steller examples of bad pvpers.

That doesn't diminish them as humans, experiencing what it is they are experiencing. I.e. not being good enough to roll in walmart gear at low levels. ) I've even had them protect the zone while I was leveling there from other players. So they can even be friendly and use their powers for good on occasion.

The point for item loot is to add depth and meaning to pvp and relationships. It's downside is that it makes it much harder to play an already time consuming game. The other downside is most people feel entitled to leveling in the best twink gear imaginable because they've... (insert X reason here).

All these behaviors are not conducive to increasing population except people having more deep and meaningful relationships. Over half the people on the box, while antisocial don't want to be anyones online pals. This is understandable and they don't take it to the extremes that a minority here do. We can't force those people to become cooler. But we can encourage good behavior from them all ) Those guys are normally super dedicated to playing 24/7 round the clock. Item loot wouldn't break their immersion.

[Ragemaster9999]

First of all, dont change the rules in the middle of server timeline, that will do nothing but drive people away.

You want a loot server then do a fresh start so everyone is on even ground.

Looting will just end up like rallos zek on live, alot of people will just do every obscure quest for no drop gear and roll around not caring, or roll naked caster toons and shit all over the melees. And what about the no drop stuff from planes/dragons? Might as well make ALL Items lootable, even stuff normally NO DROP.

[Kergan]

First of all, dont change the rules in the middle of server timeline, that will do nothing but drive people away.

You want a loot server then do a fresh start so everyone is on even ground.

Looting will just end up like rallos zek on live, alot of people will just do every obscure quest for no drop gear and roll around not caring, or roll naked caster toons and shit all over the melees. And what about the no drop stuff from planes/dragons? Might as well make ALL Items lootable, even stuff normally NO DROP.

This.

[Potus]

Item Loot has never worked and it is always a bad idea. Please stop bringing it up.

[runlvlzero]

Alright you guys have convinced me, Item loot for teams 99 than )

I'm 44 now Kregan.

I just have fond memories of running around in crap gear killing planar shit )

[Lionfish Roundup]

fond memories as a caster, try a melee on a loot server

[Aprisle]

Now that population is picking up and we have a dev actually working on the server. I am very much in favor of +/-4 levels and 1 item loot + coin. Regular old school classic no drop rules apply.

Lets do this! It will change the very landscape of the server and bring meaning to bringing down people with fungis.

Maybe flag items like fungi's, manastones, and epics, as lootable from bag slots.

Wow that would be perfection. You could never loot epics though.

Pity reply

Omg Kimm is still around

[Rushmore]

more like KEM
http://www.billboard.com/files/stylus/101363-kem_617_409.jpg

[runlvlzero]

fond memories as a caster, try a melee on a loot server

I was a war lol.

[Gustoo]

I will roll pure mellee for item loot and it won't even be a deleved rogue.

Teams is still dumb.

Nice new avatar runlvl

[Retti_]

item loot t99 imo

[runlvlzero]

I will roll pure mellee for item loot and it won't even be a deleved rogue.

Teams is still dumb.

Nice new avatar runlvl

WB Gustoo =)

[Something'Witty]

My thoughts on item loot:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dppgwVKO1r281wto1_500.gif

[pharmakos]

MY ANUS IS BLEEDING

[Lionfish Roundup]

stop bumping this, item loot will never happen ever


ever

[Gustoo]

No dude, I just got off a video conference with Brad McQuaid, Rogean, Barrack Obama, and former homeland secury director Tom Ridge. The consensus is in. Item loot is a go. Confirmed.

[runlvlzero]

No dude, I just got off a video conference with Brad McQuaid, Rogean, Barrack Obama, and former homeland secury director Tom Ridge. The consensus is in. Item loot is a go. Confirmed.

My thoughts on item loot:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dppgwVKO1r281wto1_500.gif

A balanced and fair opinion. Someone is happy in that picture )

[Dullah]

My thoughts on item loot:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dppgwVKO1r281wto1_500.gif

An accurate depiction of what item loot would do to the server.

[SamwiseRed]

An accurate depiction of what item loot would do to the server.

tite

[Kergan]

Alright you guys have convinced me, Item loot for teams 99 than )

I'm 44 now Kregan.

I just have fond memories of running around in crap gear killing planar shit )

43 here, decided to dedicate Sunday to football! Sorry I had to bail in Guk, friggin kid woke up in panic mode and it was a good hour before she calmed down. By then it was 3am and I said screw it and went to sleep.

We need to get a CoM premade going for next weekend!

[Smedy]

Ive seen item loot implemented on many servers and each and every one of them died as a result of that.

[Quiet]

Absolutely not. Item loot is horse shit. After a few weeks when high levels emerge and a few months when twinks appear, it'll just be twinks ganking lowbies for their gear. Right now there's a moderate level of grief and all a pvp player gets is satisfaction of a kill, not even item loss or exp anymore. Add in they get to take an item, and boner factor goes up x 50. You'll end up right where ya started. Top heavy with minimal population. You think level 50-60s gonna port away from their raids and exp groups to chase around the same lowbie gankers? Negative.

Its the same reason you have to be careful with SZ Ruleset. There was grief and ganking on SZ back in the day and that was when people paid for their accounts and had some level of interest vested in them. Here the account is free, one gets banned u can make 10 more. You make a server with a wild open rule set that allows just about anything, that's what you'll get. 50 wanna be heroes running around, stroking their neck-beard, jerking off to every train, pvp grief, corpse camp, bind camp, and shit fest they can think of.

Take what Mrbigs does, sits in Unrest and PKs lowbies all day, everyday. Imagine 50 Mrbigs spread out, with no fear of reprisal able to do whatever they want, in any way they want. Cant beat you? Train you, once trained. finish you with pvp, take ur item. Bind camp, corpse camp. Did you have 5 hours to exp? Not today your being corpse camped for 3-4 of them. Bring in some high levels (yeah they'll leave their raiding to come help you) He camps out, comes back in 45 minutes after they get bored of nothing happening. Now you'll spend 5 hours dodging, and being griefed. What fun, he doesn't have a job he has 12 hours to play, hes got nothing better to do.

This will happen. It happened on live. It'll happen here. Esp because of the type of crowd that free / unbalanced pvp attracts. So be smart, no item loot. Formal, enforced rule-set that appeases the neck beards desire for pvp but doesn't allow them to destroy the server.

Quiet - Ranger

[Elspeth]

only you want item loot bro

[pharmakos]

Absolutely not. Item loot is horse shit. After a few weeks when high levels emerge and a few months when twinks appear, it'll just be twinks ganking lowbies for their gear. Right now there's a moderate level of grief and all a pvp player gets is satisfaction of a kill, not even item loss or exp anymore. Add in they get to take an item, and boner factor goes up x 50. You'll end up right where ya started. Top heavy with minimal population. You think level 50-60s gonna port away from their raids and exp groups to chase around the same lowbie gankers? Negative.

Its the same reason you have to be careful with SZ Ruleset. There was grief and ganking on SZ back in the day and that was when people paid for their accounts and had some level of interest vested in them. Here the account is free, one gets banned u can make 10 more. You make a server with a wild open rule set that allows just about anything, that's what you'll get. 50 wanna be heroes running around, stroking their neck-beard, jerking off to every train, pvp grief, corpse camp, bind camp, and shit fest they can think of.

Take what Mrbigs does, sits in Unrest and PKs lowbies all day, everyday. Imagine 50 Mrbigs spread out, with no fear of reprisal able to do whatever they want, in any way they want. Cant beat you? Train you, once trained. finish you with pvp, take ur item. Bind camp, corpse camp. Did you have 5 hours to exp? Not today your being corpse camped for 3-4 of them. Bring in some high levels (yeah they'll leave their raiding to come help you) He camps out, comes back in 45 minutes after they get bored of nothing happening. Now you'll spend 5 hours dodging, and being griefed. What fun, he doesn't have a job he has 12 hours to play, hes got nothing better to do.

This will happen. It happened on live. It'll happen here. Esp because of the type of crowd that free / unbalanced pvp attracts. So be smart, no item loot. Formal, enforced rule-set that appeases the neck beards desire for pvp but doesn't allow them to destroy the server.

Quiet - Ranger

quiet is usually a man of few words, so i felt obligated to read this whole post

he makes good points

[runlvlzero]

Yeah I'm not arguing it anymore. I think for R99 the case has been made pretty well against.