Guard assist in PVP

[Smedy]

So we have all noticed changes in how guards assist in pvp. It seems to be these changes are not classic, guard never actually assisted the "instagator" of the fight.

Lets say for example, target 1 has ally faction, and target 2 has indiff faction.

Target 1 attacks target 2, on live, the guards would just stand there, until target 2 decided to attack back, then they would assist target 1.

Right now if Target 1 attacks Target 2 guards will instantly assist target 1 resulting in a very shitty environment and the entire game has become a grind for faction.

Guards should only assist if the lower faction character chooses to attack back.

Please fix, i'm certain there wasn't like this on live, at least not on vallon zek.

[Andis]

I got a better idea

this is a pvp server right??

take guard assist out of game, and let the players play.

the end

[Smedy]

Well that would be going back to what once was

Many newbs want guard help, and i do agree that guards assisting gives a new worth to having faction, and that's kinda cool.

But having the guards assist the attacker is lame, it's never been like that.

[Something'Witty]

But having the guards assist the attacker is lame

Agree. Great recipe for griefing.

[DeadlyApostle]

I have never seen a guard assist when I go to attack unless im breaking some1s invis thats kos. Someone is probably dotting or casting and thinking they are safe.

[Retti_]

Pretty sure if an American guard at the American Embassy saw me start bitch slapping a terrorist infidel he would back me up.

Hard for a nuetral country like Sweden to understand but CLASSIC

[Colgate]

naw this would be like some al qaeda fuck sneaking behind john kerry, giving him $2 over and over for 6 hours and then coming to the american embassy, slapping you, and then you getting beat down by security guards u feel me dawg?

[Retti_]

Naw u ever see rodnkey king tapes? cops had faction while drunk coke addict had bad faction

[Dullah]

The way you are describing it should work is literally the way it works here.

If guards were helping someone else, it was because they had higher faction than you.

[Alecta]

The faction assist logic (ignoring level, los, distance checks, etc) is basically this:

If (Defenders_Faction >= Attackers_Faction && Defenders_Faction > 'Threateningly')
Guard Starts Hating on the Attacker

Can you provide more details on the scenario where the guard assisted the attacker? What guards, what faction levels, what spells / attacks?

[Smedy]

Maybe it's damage shield that's been triggering guards to attack?

I need to do some tests

[AffEcT]

The guards assist the player who has highest faction. The player with low faction does nothing and still gets attacked by guards. This is wrong.
So the guards assist the attacker in this case and thats really really bad.
Guards should assist and help players with high faction if they are being attacked.

[DeadlyApostle]

I've already tested DS triggering guards attacking and it does not. It was probably a riposte.

[Smedy]

Ya i wonder, i have so many reports telling me different things i really have to test it

I personally rarely get myself in a situation where melees can hit me, so i haven't been "assisted on" by guards unless i've nuked back.

But almost everyone i play with keep saying that guards are indeed assisting the attacker without them attacking back, which if true is really bad and needs to be fixed.

Will do tests tonight hopefully and confirm that someone is bad and just wrong

[Alecta]

The guards assist the player who has highest faction. The player with low faction does nothing and still gets attacked by guards. This is wrong.

Can you provide more details on the scenario where the guard assisted the attacker? What guards, what faction levels, what spells / attacks?

[Alecta]

It was probably a riposte.

Unfortunately, the way it's currently set up a riposte would count as an attack.

I can look at changing that when I get back in town, but it might not be trivial to do.

[Wrench]

Ya i wonder, i have so many reports telling me different things i really have to test it

I personally rarely get myself in a situation where melees can hit me, so i haven't been "assisted on" by guards unless i've nuked back.

But almost everyone i play with keep saying that guards are indeed assisting the attacker without them attacking back, which if true is really bad and needs to be fixed.

Will do tests tonight hopefully and confirm that someone is bad and just wrong

wtf is this?

do you routinely file bug reports on issues you havent even seen?

[Smedy]

calm ur nuts, better up for discussion than not at all, got a job, i lift, not bad enough to get hit in pvp on my caster, just helping the others here dog, if i was wrong then holy shit balls now we know

[Wrench]

haha smedy, so excitable

tell your buddies to pull up the big boy pants and file their own bug reports

[Retti_]

Working as intended. Guards assist better faction.

Pras Alecta

[Smedy]

haha smedy, so excitable

tell your buddies to pull up the big boy pants and file their own bug reports

ya actually pisses me off i ask about it 10 times and they all claim it to be that way, so i go post here and turns out i'm talking to idiots, shoulda known lol

[Retti_]

In azrael? Nawwww

[raka]

So we have all noticed changes in how guards assist in pvp. It seems to be these changes are not classic, guard never actually assisted the "instagator" of the fight.

Lets say for example, target 1 has ally faction, and target 2 has indiff faction.

Target 1 attacks target 2, on live, the guards would just stand there, until target 2 decided to attack back, then they would assist target 1.

Right now if Target 1 attacks Target 2 guards will instantly assist target 1 resulting in a very shitty environment and the entire game has become a grind for faction.

Guards should only assist if the lower faction character chooses to attack back.

Please fix, i'm certain there wasn't like this on live, at least not on vallon zek.


10/24/13

in OT at dock
DE casts DD on human on dock. guards immediately assist human and kill DE.

y?

[SamwiseRed]

10/24/13

in OT at dock
DE casts DD on human on dock. guards immediately assist human and kill DE.

y?

I think you are assuming since there is alot of dark elves at the outpost that it is on the same faction as neriak. I am pretty sure this is not the case. I may be wrong but the outpost is mostly on Venril Sathir faction. so being a dark elf doesnt matter as much.

i am a bad player and maybe wrong.

[Alecta]

10/24/13

in OT at dock
DE casts DD on human on dock. guards immediately assist human and kill DE.

y?

Can you give me the name of players, names of guards (if you have logs).

I will write a query and ask Nilbog to run it, but I am willing to bet the human had higher faction than the DE.

[Dullah]

Just because a player is human, doesn't mean they don't have better faction than you with OT. Anyone that has fought in VP for even a few hours has warmly faction with OT.

[Nizzarr]

Dispels dont seem to aggro guards.

I was sitting in middle of guards with max warmly, got dispelled 10 times. They cast a root on me and guards aggro. Didnt move an inch.

[marie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtrYU6vWdiE

[Akim]

In other words, Finally Working As Intended.

Praise those who worked.

[SamwiseRed]

dispel is consider beneficial to guards, quit guard hugging.

[Alecta]

Ally attackers won't trigger guards when attacking other ally players pending next patch.

Other than that, I think this is working as intended (until teams considerations are put in).

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Ally attackers won't trigger guards when attacking other ally players pending next patch.

Other than that, I think this is working as intended (until teams considerations are put in).

Awesome work. This is a huge component of Velious high end PVP due to the faction wars between Kael, Thurg, and Skyshrine. This allows people to basically establish homebases where they all get Ally faction and can be protected.

[Smedy]

Awesome work. This is a huge component of Velious high end PVP due to the faction wars between Kael, Thurg, and Skyshrine. This allows people to basically establish homebases where they all get Ally faction and can be protected.

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OUTSIDE

Great work alecta

[Alecta]

Been patched in. Moving to resolved.