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runlvlzero
10-19-2013, 05:02 PM
First of all. This is not your server. No one owns it other than Rogaen and the staff. You are entitled to nothing. Even if you put in 4 years here. You are only entitled to the respect and loyalty you develop amongst your comrades. It doesn't matter who you were in previous communities to random strangers in a virtual world.

So welcome to prison. You are at the bottom of the ladder. You haven't put in years of work building up characters and pixels. So don't feel like you "deserve" to beat every fungi twink out there. Is it wrong that people play MMO's like this? Yeah, but get over it. You didn't roll here to be entitled a fair and level playing field. Thats something you have to earn and work towards with your fellow players. It is the single most important motivation for teamwork. So deal with it as the reality it is and focus on a cohesive goal with other good like minded players. The goal of defeating these enemies.

Don't ever share account info if you care about the pixels/characters on that account. Just don't do it. Don't ever expect someone to not delete your chars, or appreciate what you do. Some do. And some don't. It's incredibly hard to find the people with good character. If you want to share. Do it wisely with things you don't care to lose permanently. If your going to be nice, be nice for you, not the other person.

If someone is nice enough to help you out and share with you. Remember that help. That doesn't mean "don't pvp them".

But don't flame them, grief them, tell them they suck in /ooc. Or be a general dick to others with the stuff they give to help you.

What is griefing? Griefing is disrupting someones play for no other reason except to make them quit. The specific definition is variable. But you only "grief" players you are willing to never see again. Killing someone fighting a mob is not griefing. Killing someone on a CR is not griefing. Doing it repeatedly is. Causing XP death over and over is. PvP happens and soemetimes you can't stop xp death and sometimes, you have to kill someone on a CR.

If your killed in pvp and you aren't interested in contesting a camp or zone ask for Loot and Scoot, and take it if its offered. If you don't ask for loot and scoot people will automatically assume your up to no good. That doesn't mean loot and XP in the same zone. Go find another xp spot.

If you want to contest and you get CC'd don't complain about it. Your contesting and they're eliminating you as a threat. Log off and come back later if you can't get your gear.

If a fight is even remotely fair and you plug. You suck. Don't deny people YT because you have an ego. If they jumped you fair and square its disrespectful to deny the other player the chance to win. If you want to make enemies. Plug, and train, and be a general nuisance without ever actually fighting to win or lose. I don't think its wrong to plug to overwhelming odds if your getting ganked by epiced characters at level 20. But its bullshit to plug 1v1 to an even con player who you could run away from. I didn't even plug to 3v1 odds even after I was rooted and pelled. I still escaped. I proved I was good. And the other players had a chance to kill me. I proved they couldn't do it so easily. This earns respect or infamy, whatever it is you want.

Carry pumice and sow pots. It doesn't matter what your stats are, someone will root you and pell you. You will need to escape. If you escape legitimately without plugging you will earn the respect of your fellow pvpers.

Don't attack people coming to group with you. If someone is being annoying feel free to kill them. But don't deliberately trick random strangers to coming group you will earn a bad reputation. If you had FFA pvp and someone didn't even make you loot and scoot, and you jump them for letting you stay in zone. You are being a disrespectful jerk. If you invite them to groups just to kill them later you are also being a jerk. PvP happens. It doesn't mean you have to be a vengeful prick about it. You don't have the population to make enemies out of everyone you ever had a confrontation with.

It's nice to say good fight, or compliment your enemies on good tactics they use. People may say you suck. Because this community is full of bad sports. But telling them they suck back doesn't make things any better. Many players came here expecting to just dominate the game unilaterally and when they found out they had to play nice still with others they became jaded and bitter.

Come here to fight, pvp, make friends, make enemies. Don't come here trying to change the face of Norrath. Norrath will always be what it is. A brutal and anarchistic place. Enjoy it. Because it is a unique and free frontier where your reputation does matter. Believe it or not. Sure there's guilds with evil players in them. But that won't last forever. In the years to come those guilds will fall when they stop relying on "necessity".

The good fighters are coming. The best of the best are growing in number. The playing field is leveling.

Retti_
10-19-2013, 05:04 PM
tldr

runlvlzero
10-19-2013, 05:12 PM
Nah nah, I pvp all the time. QQ more. People legend here is a fine example of a loser who doesn't earn the respect of this community. I'm sure they are shit on on a regular basis.

Legend which one are you, one of the players griefing people of out Trakanon kills you don't need cause your afraid of contesting VP or one of the ones AoEing in SolB because you are bored mad and have nothing better to do? Or are you one of the ones with a unrest KD ratio from killing people in raw hide? I ain't hatin. I'm just putting it out there that KD != legit players.

It's not about the YT's bro. The YT's are just a bonus. If you have a KD ratio from ganking noobs. You are not a pvper.

I'm still here. And I've fought more battles than you I'm sure. I've grouped more people, and given more loot to people than you. U mad? Hell the restistance even has the cleric I leveled up. Free of charge. Tell me, Miria was a total non factor in this servers history?

Difference between me and you. I aint mad about it. I don't need to hide behind the pixels bro.

I've indirectly affected more pvp battles on this server than you can imagine. I killed Nizzar with NCC in Karnors, Smedy got his Tstaff because of my participation. Gloinzz died in Com, Chewie kicked me out of flowers because I sided with my group. I've leveled with more people on both sides than you can imagine. I can't even keep track of it all.

Tell me I'm a non factor. I love it =)

Retti_
10-19-2013, 05:35 PM
answers a tldr with another tldr

runlvlzero
10-19-2013, 05:38 PM
answers a tldr with another tldr

If you have any constructive critiques or refinements to make my point simpler and more direct. Please feel free to contribute =).

I got that "its to long to read". But I don't have a solution for that. Other than stop posting (which is unreasonable).

So thanks =)

runlvlzero
10-19-2013, 05:40 PM
Lol so you answering my question Legend? Why are you a factor? Tell us. Lead the way. Show us how to pvp brosky. You can see what chars I may log in at anytime in my sig.

*** update, legend is the SK - Together ( a non factor who sat in HHK QQing for a few days) and deleted Fames cleric. Total factor :p

Your doing big things. But hey I seen players do better. You can't even stay in a guild, Azrael or Flowers. Fantastic work bro. You can't wreck the server from the bottom. Work harder, get to the top, then lose your mind IMO.

Bardalicious
10-19-2013, 08:47 PM
where was OP copy n pasted from

heartbrand
10-19-2013, 08:48 PM
answers a tldr with another tldr

haven't laughed that hard @ a post in a long time

runlvlzero
10-19-2013, 08:54 PM
where was OP copy n pasted from

Novel written on the fly.

Bidin
10-19-2013, 10:04 PM
I liked your post. Completely /agree for the most part.

Fame
10-19-2013, 10:11 PM
Stop trolling newplayer/advice threads for the next month or so when eqmac shuts down?

Lron
10-19-2013, 10:21 PM
If i choose to play here, none of this will apply to me, my reputation carries me and everyone knows how good I am.

Colgate
10-19-2013, 10:49 PM
did not read

Vile
10-22-2013, 11:05 PM
bump for good thread for newbs

runlvlzero
10-22-2013, 11:41 PM
Thanks all for bumps :p

I R try very hard.

Kergan
10-23-2013, 11:08 AM
I'm sure I'll get some backlash for this, but my recommendation is to avoid PVP as much as possible until you're level 60.

EQ is the most unbalanced PVP game ever made until that time. The difference between fighting a level 33 and level 34 shaman for example is ridiculous.

There is really nothing to gain from attacking people when you're both trying to level up. You're just slowing your progress to get to when the game actually gets interesting. Even if your intent is just to come here and PVP, the good stuff isn't until 55+ anyway.

big mouth chew
10-23-2013, 11:17 AM
I'm sure I'll get some backlash for this, but my recommendation is to avoid PVP as much as possible until you're level 60.

EQ is the most unbalanced PVP game ever made until that time. The difference between fighting a level 33 and level 34 shaman for example is ridiculous.

There is really nothing to gain from attacking people when you're both trying to level up. You're just slowing your progress to get to when the game actually gets interesting. Even if your intent is just to come here and PVP, the good stuff isn't until 55+ anyway.

worst thing ive ever read

and i had to read The Red Pony for jr. high

hagard
10-23-2013, 11:46 AM
miria and basiah would get very upset with me when I used to pvp them

Kergan
10-23-2013, 11:54 AM
worst thing ive ever read

and i had to read The Red Pony for jr. high

Hah. Like I said, I expected some backlash...

Sektor
10-23-2013, 12:09 PM
did not read

Holey
10-23-2013, 12:18 PM
did not read. too much no pictures.

mtb tripper
10-23-2013, 12:26 PM
good thread

runlvlzero
10-23-2013, 02:23 PM
miria and basiah would get very upset with me when I used to pvp them

Vile
10-23-2013, 04:37 PM
who is hagard?

gnome rogue

runlvlzero
10-23-2013, 05:45 PM
Is hagard memi or some other gnome rogue now. They useto be draga amiright? Dood never came back to unrest and nearly let his corpse rot after me and drunkenswami tag teamed him.

hagard
10-24-2013, 10:12 AM
I used to play Draga long ago. Idc about losing those 2v1 I used to own both u guys when it was 1v1 wearing wal mart gear

runlvlzero
10-24-2013, 02:01 PM
While drunkenswami was a twink. I was a complete blueb and had ringmail and a short sword of morin ftw. And a crafted bow, like the easiest one to make. BS mantle was probably my best slot. Which I ninja'd from a paladin XD.

So your walmart gear was godlike pre-kunark there. I was pretty proud of myself for not getting run out of the zone.

hagard
10-24-2013, 02:12 PM
While drunkenswami was a twink. I was a complete blueb and had ringmail and a short sword of morin ftw. And a crafted bow, like the easiest one to make. BS mantle was probably my best slot. Which I ninja'd from a paladin XD.


you were a cleric, no??

runlvlzero
10-24-2013, 02:24 PM
Yeah I was a cleric, and starwind. But starwind first :P not sure which toon I was on, you killed starwind every time I think. But I didn't quit ) My cleric had probably slightly better gear, like bronze, and a bloodstained tunic :P

runlvlzero
10-26-2013, 04:07 PM
Bumping for <Knights Who Say Ni> come here. Be pros. /pras

Vile
10-26-2013, 04:54 PM
If anyone starts in FOB area let me know. Will give out some plats :)