Icewell Keep (thurgadinb) a few questions

[nilbog]

This zone is now 99% complete.

There are a few questions I have which can be crowdsourced to save time:

Spawn times needed:
-Dain Frostreaver
-Royal Scribe Kaavin
-Seneschal Aldikar
-Grand Huntsman Darral
-Chamberlain Krystorf

How long did the prenerf 'Ornate Velium Pendant' drop before being replaced?

When were the npcs added for custom helm turn-ins?
-Royal Armorer Slade- Thurgadin
-Grand Armsmith Korin - Kael
-Supreme Laochsmith Psorin - Skyshrine

Aside from those, the zone is complete and looks good. Took quite a while to get the councilmen scripts working, time of day, etc.



Dain Frostreaver.. can't have both legs and a crown at the same time. I'm not sure what the issue is, but he can be bald, with legs, or legless, with a crown. I opted to give him legs until/if this is corrected.


http://i44.tinypic.com/5ap8o7.jpg

[Aeolwind]

Ahh, that explains why he was legless so often on live.

[Alarti0001]

Ahh, that explains why he was legless so often on live.

[Aeolwind]

Anyone remember the correlation between the 'two dains'? One being nearly a push over and max hitting for 412/7, and the other being a freaking beast and hitting for 420?

[Briq]

Pretty sure Dain was a 7 day timer? Maybe 3 and a half but that could have been later after luclin. I think the "easy dain" quaded for 325 while the "hard one" was 425. Don't know if the HPs were different, though.

[Quientus]

Seem to remember that the Dain (spawned?) for the ring war wasn't the "regular" one ...

I could be remembering wrong ...

[Alarti0001]

Doing research on custom helm mobs.. reserving this slot as I compile.

Supreme Laoch whoseywhatsit


What exactly does he want? Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Mon, Oct 8th 4:56 AM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
Ok, I hail this guy, and these are his exact words..."Using my obviously superior skills I can customize a plate helm from the Shrine to suit a High Elf such as yourself. Give me your Blood Lord's Crown, Scaled Knight's Helm, Helm of Twilight, Akkirus' Crown of the Risen, Cowl of Mortality, Frostreaver's Velium Crown, Crown of the Kromzek Kings, or Crown of the Myrmidon and I shall make you a new helm that will better hise and protect your unscaled features.
Now does this mean that all I need to do is give him my scaled knight's helm, and he'll customize it, or will he need something more? I don'
t want to lose this helm, alot of hard work went into getting it. Oh, and for those whom do not know...I found out the hard way that you HAVE to have Ally faction to even get the quest gear...anything lower and they will not talk to you.



CoV
Quote
Reply
#Jul 06 2001 at 1:27 AMRating: Decent
Kythyss
2 posts
I went way far into SS today. All the way to the big one himself, everything along the way was Warmly. Just Yellinak himself was KOS. Also anyone know where the guys are that give out the armor quests? I must have missed them along the way.
▲ Page top
RE: CoV
Quote
Reply
#Oct 11 2001 at 11:35 AMRating: Default
Anonymous
Anonymous
The armor guys are the 14 Fe'Dhar in the same room as the Supreme Commander. At warmly they will not talk to me (other than to tell me to get lost), guess you need ally level faction. I also saw the same thing you did, everything in Skyshrine was warmly except Yelinak himself, who was ready to attack...almost got too close because everything was warmly. I did not go inside the gated area were he is so I don't know if there are any other NPC's there on his faction.

As for raising Yelinak faction, doing both the giant helm and mercenary orders guest with Sentry Kcor give Yelinak faction gains. I've only done about 7 or 8 of these quests, so I guess I'll be doing alot more before I can greet the big guy without biting it.

Baric Bladewraith
50th Rogue
Eleven Imperial Guard
The Seventh Hammer
▲ Page top
RE: CoV
Quote
Reply
#Oct 11 2001 at 11:52 AMRating: Default
Anonymous
Anonymous
Ack...it's not Supreme Commander, but Supreme Laochsmith Psorin. Sorry for the misinformation.

And each of the 14 Fe'Dhar (while warmly to me) say "I have nothing to speak about to the likes of you." Friendly chaps...

Baric Bladewraith
50th Rogue
Elven Imperial Guard
The Seventh Hammer




***More soon

[Treats]

Dain 7 day respawn.

Easy Dain quaded (Flurry? can't remember) for 350.

Hard Dain quaded (Flurry? can't remember) for 425.

Didn't ever seem to be any difference in Hit Points between the two.

I think in determining which version, it was just random. I can recall waiting for him to spawn and then testing with Feign Death. It would be either 425 or 350.

I don't recall spawn times on the other NPC's never really killed them.

[Sickle]

I think in determining which version, it was just random. I can recall waiting for him to spawn and then testing with Feign Death. It would be either 425 or 350.

I remember this as well on live. We would test with a monk to see which version it was before initial engage.


"Dain Frostreaver IV, level 70, 1-3 day spawn, 7 day respawn, Icewall Keep " Found this on Steelwarriors forums for mob respawn table.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21


"Spawn Time: 3 Days
Approximate HP: 375k to 400k
Approximate Damage Per Attack: Quad hit for up to 425
Special Abilities: Banishment to the well & Rampage "

"There are TWO versions of Dain.

Version 1: quads for 350
Version 2: quads for 425 "

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5486

[JayN]

there were three versions of dain, one significantly harder then the other, hp and dmg output.

IIRC 320/420/520 Dain's

[maximum]

I remember Dain IV being three day respawn. But, my experience is from late 2001.

I don't have much in the way of Thurgadin map images in my archive. If anyone has more, hit me up.

[Vandy]

When were the npcs added for custom helm turn-ins?
-Royal Armorer Slade- Thurgadin
-Grand Armsmith Korin - Kael
-Supreme Laochsmith Psorin - Skyshrine

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

.................................................. ...................


------------------------------
April 4, 2001 3:00 am
------------------------------


** Item Changes **

- Velious racial plate helm quests have been added that will allow you
to 'trade in' your existing helms for ones with textures. We have
decided to allow the players (or their characters) to chose whether
they wish to have the new helmet textures or to continue to use helmets
that show no graphics.

[Ele]

When were the npcs added for custom helm turn-ins?
-Royal Armorer Slade- Thurgadin
-Grand Armsmith Korin - Kael
-Supreme Laochsmith Psorin - Skyshrine


Should be with the April 4, 2001 Patch. Can't find any earlier references to these 3 NPCs. Even the references could find, so far, are a few months after this patch as the sites were slow to update on the end game pieces.

Patch Note:
------------------------------
April 4, 2001 3:00 am
------------------------------

** Item Changes **

- Velious racial plate helm quests have been added that will allow you
to 'trade in' your existing helms for ones with textures. We have
decided to allow the players (or their characters) to chose whether
they wish to have the new helmet textures or to continue to use helmets
that show no graphics.

First instance of Royal Armorer Slade on Alla:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011024031654/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=120

June 5, 2001
Does anyone know how to increase faction with Royal Armorer Slade? I thought killing giants would do it but I've kill hundreds in kael and it's still not good enough for him to change my helm to a bucket

First instance of Grand Armsmith Korin on Alla:

Quest NPC not on list November 8, 2001 Ok in Kael in a room behind the king where the armor quest NPC's are is a guy named Grand Armsmith Korin. He is not on the list and can't find anything so far on him. He is there and he has a quest not sure what the reward would be but he ask for Malevolent Crown, Shiney Helm, Troubadour Helm, Templar's Helm, Crown of the Kromizik Kings, Frost Reaver's Velium Crown, Crown of the Mortaility, Warlord's Crown. Not sure if he wants them all or just one. Some of the helms are a result of Kael Armor Quest some I have yet to find anything on.
Anyone know anything about this guy and the Quest?

First instance of Supreme Laochsmith Psorin on Alla:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030330091127/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6881

October 2001
As of May 2002 his location was: His location is in the quest hall, at 1220, 1200, 3.75.

Earlier reference on EQ Clerics: August 2001
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9093
If you want to turn in a SS helm for the custom one, talk to Supreme Loachsmith somethingorother, he is the guy you are standing next to when you port into the SS quest room

[Ele]

Ahh, that explains why he was legless so often on live.

I don't recall legless Dains and we had a lot of poofed Dains on my server (http://www.purgatory.net/dain/dd1.html). There are numerous pictures of a crowned Dain with legs on the Legacy of Steel raid update archive.

http://i.imgur.com/JtyObl5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oMbn9p2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wAe7ejo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L5BeBIG.jpg

[Alarti0001]

This zone is now 99% complete.

There are a few questions I have which can be crowdsourced to save time:

Spawn times needed:
-Dain Frostreaver




Respawn Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Fri, Oct 5th 11:26 PM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
Anyone know respawn on him?


RE: Respawn Reply... By: Hexius,
Posted @ Sun, Oct 21st 1:17 AM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
Respawn time is 1 week give or take 24 hours i believe... Don't quote me on that. =)


Oct statement... "not quoting him on this"

[Xadion]

ain't there another face of dain? Seem to remember that one being the hard one...like eye patch dain or something. And ring war spawn dain I believe did not effect timer, but would not spawn a 2nd if he was up already.

[Alarti0001]

I don't recall legless Dains and we had a lot of poofed Dains on my server (http://www.purgatory.net/dain/dd1.html). There are numerous pictures of a crowned Dain with legs on the Legacy of Steel raid update archive.



The legless dain bug prob came after classic velious. It still has this issue on live today.

[Strifen]

Don't have much to add to the topic at hand but keep up the good work with Velious Devs!

[Arteker]

The legless dain bug prob came after classic velious. It still has this issue on live today.

legless dain and human skin for some of the mobs in velious was due to problems with velious textures they upgraded.

was fixed by delete zone file and repatch. it was for long time in forums back in the day along with the black ice walls textures bug in kael and icewell .

[Arteker]

ornate pendant was replaced when they rised the armour quests to ally, at first all what u need to do ss kael armour was warmly .

the exact date is in patch files.

[radditsu]

3 Day spawn times makes sense due to the fact that he has multiple quests associated with him.

[heazels]

Pretty sure Dain was a 7 day timer? Maybe 3 and a half but that could have been later after luclin. I think the "easy dain" quaded for 325 while the "hard one" was 425. Don't know if the HPs were different, though.

This^ 7 day timer with some +-3 1/2 day rand i believe. Could be up to 10 days. Crazy to think on this server such a long spawn he will never be up. Edit: This guy has longest spawn timer in velious along with the boss of veeshan's temple which had the same timer. Everything else in veeshan's temple was 3 and 1/2 days. King Tormax which was 5 days +- 2 1/2. I can't remember if Tunare was 5 days or 7 days but I'd lean towards 5 days. Wuoshi was definately 3 days, maybe even 2. He spawned fast. Vindicator is a firm 8 hours I believe. I wouldnt listen to people in uber guilds they want more loot out of him not a classic feel.

[Motec]

This^ 7 day timer with some +-3 1/2 day rand i believe. Could be up to 10 days. Crazy to think on this server such a long spawn he will never be up.

why woul anyone want to kill him? I can think of no reason to ever. Junk.

[Vandy]

why woul anyone want to kill him? I can think of no reason to ever. Junk.

Dain's head =
Belt of Dwarf Slaying (http://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_Dwarf_Slaying)


He will be killed

[Alarti0001]

This^ 7 day timer with some +-3 1/2 day rand i believe. Could be up to 10 days. Crazy to think on this server such a long spawn he will never be up. Edit: This guy has longest spawn timer in velious along with the boss of veeshan's temple which had the same timer. Everything else in veeshan's temple was 3 and 1/2 days. King Tormax which was 5 days +- 2 1/2. I can't remember if Tunare was 5 days or 7 days but I'd lean towards 5 days. Wuoshi was definately 3 days, maybe even 2. He spawned fast. Vindicator is a firm 8 hours I believe. I wouldnt listen to people in uber guilds they want more loot out of him not a classic feel.

The evidence backing up your statement is astounding! Nilbog immediately but his words into action!

[Nastinate]

Dains a 7 day spawn give or take 24 hours. trust me i had to wait a week to turn in my ring for da clicky often after he was killed.

[Gaffin']

Killed him alot, I remember it being 3 days.

[Vandy]

Dain 7 day spawn
Legacy of Steels 4th Dain Kill/Poof (http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-01-20) - Jan 20th, 2001


Disappointed yet still eager to keeel, we headed over to Dorf Town to lay our blades to that cacksugger, The Dain. For those of you who follow our exploits, you'll remember that we have never gotten to fight His Shittyiness the Dain. Each time he has poofed on us. Well, I hate to say it but when the Dain declared this last night, he wasn't joking:



Yup, he was right



4 Dain Attempts, 4 Poofs

Now for all you critics sitting at home I'd like to point out the following. Each time we have pulled the Dain, we have used a different method. We have attempted him in multiple spots. It's not like we enjoy getting everyone to Dorf Town, killing a bunch of high-hit-point-crap-loot-dropping-dorfs only to Poof the Dain because of our Dain-pulling-gimpyness. I'd like to think we have a very decent record of not doing dumbass-gimp things. . .just look at the mobs we have killed time and time again. I seriously hope VI takes a look into this problem or else issues some kind of statement that the Dain is poofing as intended. . .in which case. . .why the fug would you make a mob that poofs for 7 days? Please Verant -- log in and send me a tell. It's obvious your Quality Assurance guys are far too busy making sure the fire beetle pathing in West Commons is working right to spend any time on one of the main mobs of your new expansion. LoS will gladly give you some QA time if you'd like to witness your programming at it's worst.

[Versch]

The evidence backing up your statement is astounding! Nilbog immediately but his words into action!

I want to chime in and say I remember Tunare being a 7 day spawn, Vindi was 8 hours, Tormax and Yeli were ~5.5 days (so maybe all the faction leaders were on this timer?), but I have only a fuzzy memory to back up these claims.

[Godefroi]

I don't really trust anything in those posts, unless they are posted by Ele.

[Ele]

ornate pendant was replaced when they rised the armour quests to ally, at first all what u need to do ss kael armour was warmly .

the exact date is in patch files.

Originally armor quests givers were on Yelinak, Tormax, and Dain factions respectively and only indifferent faction was needed. Sneak / invis / (charm) turn ins were allegedly possible.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=990367&postcount=50

I don't really trust anything in those posts, unless they are posted by Ele.

http://i.imgur.com/UmcPe71.gif

[Brut]

the fire beetle pathing in West Commons

Nonsense, no fire beetles in WC.
Info invalid.

[Nastinate]

Ornate Velium Pendant was nerfed the first patch, maybe 3-7 days after velious release ill try to find some info, but i remember this clearly cause my buddy had one first day it was incredibly op.

[Sheriff Grady Judd]

The evidence backing up your statement is astounding! Nilbog immediately but his words into action!

Alarti - All right, let's keep the sarcasm to a minimum. No warnings will be issued but I'll keep an eye on you.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti - All right, let's keep the sarcasm to a minimum. No warnings will be issued but I'll keep an eye on you.

Sheriff judd keep your RnF material in RnF please.... this post is for helpful contributing members.

[maximum]

Pretty sure Dain was a 7 day timer? Maybe 3 and a half but that could have been later after luclin. I think the "easy dain" quaded for 325 while the "hard one" was 425. Don't know if the HPs were different, though.

Riffing off of above...

Easy Dain: 3 day spawn timer?
Hard Dain: 7 day spawn timer?

That seems to jibe with my memory--two timers!

(R.I.P. Variance)

[Incubo]

Originally armor quests givers were on Yelinak, Tormax, and Dain factions respectively and only indifferent faction was needed. Sneak / invis / (charm) turn ins were allegedly possible.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=990367&postcount=50



http://i.imgur.com/UmcPe71.gif

A note about multi-questing after this change. Someone can still do a sneak turn in of an armor piece, and then another turn in the gems. As long as the person that turns in the gems is "Ally," they will get the armor.

[Treats]

Dain is a 7 day respawn, never 3 days.

He can be spawned during the Coldain Prayer Shawl quest...

Duel wielding dain... /shrug

I think you're confusing duel weilding and non-duel wielding IV. The duel wielding IV being tougher.

Dain 350 means a Dain that is hitting for a max of 350 dmg and Dain 425 being one hitting for a max of 425. I never heard of Dain 425 having fewer hitpoints than the 350, but I guess that could be true... I've fought both a few times and I think 425 is harder even if he has fewer hps... I suppose that could be just a matter of opinion.

http://monklybusiness43508.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/828#.Ul9ZQUTbquI

[Retti_]

can i get a list of legacy items to farm in velious

appreciate it

[heazels]

The thing i think a lot of people don't remember is that things had this weird way of spawning in velious things had a spawn timer but then they had this random chance before and after the spawn timer to spawn every 8 hours. I farmed the hell out of velious mobs and it blew because we had to check those suckers all the time. So it from what i remember dain had a chance to spawn at all of these times after death

5 days
5 days 8 hrs
5 days 16 hours
6 days
6 days 8 hrs
6 days 16 hours
7 days
7 days 8 hrs
7 days 16 hours
8 days
8 days 8 hrs
8 days 16 hours
9 days
9 days 8 hrs
9 days 16 hours
10 days

If someone had access to legacy of steel private forums(if they exist still) they probably have a list of timers there still because thats the list my guild went by which was on the same server as legacy of steel. I think a lot of mobs followed this same pattern with some having +- 4 hrs.

[nilbog]

From what I can tell, it was a % chance of getting a 350 or 425 Dain spawn.

Here's a random video I made before I left. Testing time of day/council meetings with the Dain. Dwarves have a short business day.. 8am - 6pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgdmezsCyU&feature=youtu.be

[Ele]

From what I can tell, it was a % chance of getting a 350 or 425 Dain spawn.

Here's a random video I made before I left. Testing time of day/council meetings with the Dain. Dwarves have a short business day.. 8am - 6pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgdmezsCyU&feature=youtu.be

Glorious!