View Full Version : Post patch reroll?
No one likes a nerf.
Classic this, classic that. Heard it before.
I rolled a mage originally because I saw Agatha doin work around Lavastorm. The mage is still good, but it def. feels weak now and I'm not groovin on it anymore.
The resist talks make me paranoid. If we do see resist gear become more effective (i'm for this) I don't see much actual enjoyment coming out of playing a non wiz/necro caster.
I don't think this will matter much pre 50, aside from the twinks who were already beasts, things will remain the same. Post 50 however, from what I have read, is going to be a different story entirely. The worst and most classic case seems to be melee gods rolling in on groups of mid to lower 50's with a good chance of taking out at least 50% if not 75% of the group with little struggle.
Am I just paranoid?
I don't mind leveling at all, I enjoy introducing new members to the community.
Is a reroll of melee/tank/maybe even cleric taking things too far here?
I don't really give a fuck about pve, I'm talkin pvp mainly here.
Wondering if anyone else is considering this too.
Something'Witty
10-10-2013, 02:42 PM
Are you asking what the new flavor of the month will be?
Nah, I'm not much for flavors.
rusty81
10-10-2013, 02:50 PM
Nah, I'm not much for flavors.
How do you feel about "Rocky Road"?
How do you feel about "Rocky Road"?
I'd play a tank ;)
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 03:01 PM
I rolled a mage originally because I saw Agatha doin work around Lavastorm. The mage is still good, but it def. feels weak now and I'm not groovin on it anymore.
http://www.p99pvp.com/playerdetail.aspx?player=Agatha
Man Nihilum must really alter these boards then. Not one kill anywhere around lavastorm and really can't imagine 12 kills spread out over 5 months making me excited to role a new class.
Just so up in the air atm, root machine gun fucking rocked, hate all you want, I would, but that shit was golden. Losing the pet swords was another huge loss, now all we see is a lvl 1 nuke and ds reports all day long. Feels like a god damned soviet work camp.
Cleric is leading the pack atm, so many fucking heroes around here anyway figured another healer would be more than welcome.
Retti_
10-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Ur just gonna have to change your play style. Dispelling and using your malo line will be more important along with fast nukes/bolt and kiting while pet dps (keep pet dispelled of cc)
Each class has a lot more strategy that what we were seeing because of how easily root and snares landed and nearly unresistable nukes.
http://www.p99pvp.com/playerdetail.aspx?player=Agatha
Man Nihilum must really alter these boards then. Not one kill anywhere around lavastorm and really can't imagine 12 kills spread out over 5 months making me excited to role a new class.
I was young and this was before YT, welcome to red.
Ur just gonna have to change your play style. Dispelling and using your malo line will be more important along with fast nukes/bolt and kiting while pet dps (keep pet dispelled of cc)
Each class has a lot more strategy that what we were seeing because of how easily root and snares landed and nearly unresistable nukes.
Great input man, I don't give a shit about what those guys say about you, this was a good post.
I def have thought about this, with the resist being that much more powerful it seems like tash/malo will be worth that much more on the battlefield.
Retti_
10-10-2013, 03:08 PM
Lol just forum warriors its part of the community
Was on their shoulders 2 weeks ago they just mad I left
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 03:11 PM
I was young and this was before YT, welcome to red.
Your probably right. Agatha must have turned off the killing once YT was introduced. I'm sure things were different before.
freez
10-10-2013, 03:12 PM
Your probably right. Agatha must have turned off the killing once YT was introduced. I'm sure things were different before.
is this kid stupid or joking ?
freez
10-10-2013, 03:13 PM
99% of my killshots were set in before leaderboards. I just got back from a 4 month break.
so wasup
Potus
10-10-2013, 03:19 PM
Mages were pretty shitty on live. Pretty good if you duo though.
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 03:29 PM
99% of my killshots were set in before leaderboards. I just got back from a 4 month break.
so wasup
The fuck you talking about?
If you are agatha then someone else was playing agatha while you were on a break because the deaths are there. The kills are more rare but non the less they are spread out over the life of the leaderboards.
If you aren't agatha then learn how to read a post before you comment about it.
freez
10-10-2013, 03:38 PM
Agatha was retired before leaderboards.
This is why you are an idiot.
Bazia
10-10-2013, 03:52 PM
if you can't successfully pvp with a mage, even after a slight CR/FR nerf quit the server there is no hope for u
(my way of saying keep the mage)
Bazia
10-10-2013, 03:54 PM
Agatha is a stripped CoH bot that does die sometimes, because no one cares when bots die.
When it was being played actively as a main leader boards didn't exist.
HippoNipple is a dumb faggot.
freez
10-10-2013, 03:58 PM
like wut kind of bluebie that doesn't play red just looks up the manipulated leaderboard stats to see what classes get the most kills
then he realizes its moot even if it was correct, because mass pvp is not a good source for this leaderboard.
Rust1d?
10-10-2013, 03:59 PM
Mages were pretty shitty on live. Pretty good if you duo though.
^^ This. Mages only became good when EMU's were introduced. Other than summons, they sucked on live. Pets were terrible and did awful damage. Pathing was also bad and caused more trains than anything.
Mages on EMU's are probably top 3 in classes due to pets being much better.
Retti_
10-10-2013, 04:09 PM
I disagree bolts could be queued up so u had 2 travelling and also had chance to double hit
Slytherin
10-10-2013, 04:11 PM
I disagree bolts could be queued up so u had 2 travelling and also had chance to double hit
Gotta love those bolts with the z-axis forking them into twin torpedoes!
Azure
10-10-2013, 04:30 PM
keep leveling your mage, grab some 50 ish bis gear and reroll to what you want if you don't feel the mage groove
or just go balls to the walls with a 2hander and some banded.
But. It doesnt hurt to have multiple characters at multiple levels.
As a mage your probably rich.
If we could double bolt I would mage it for sure just for fun. But we can't, as it stands if we use anything during bolt travel time (lol when they see it and run faster than it travels) it cancels the spell and still costs us mana. Levi at bottom of buff stack fading while 100 feet up in the air and bolt in travel? Fuck you.
Retti_
10-10-2013, 04:47 PM
It's either Agatha or Jupe that has been on Freaz lately.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18opebw9gciywgif/original.gif
Gonna keep lvling the mage to coh bot status and then roll up a cleric for the resistance. You'll know its me when ya see the name. New Erudite cleric runnin round town. Hit me up to lvl your melee alts.
freez
10-10-2013, 04:52 PM
It's either Agatha or Jupe that has been on Freaz lately.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18opebw9gciywgif/original.gif
i loled irl
Chronoburn
10-10-2013, 04:53 PM
I guess it really depends on how close resists get to live. If resists are fairly close to live, even highly skilled mages will have a tough time.
compulsion
10-10-2013, 04:54 PM
^^ This. Mages only became good when EMU's were introduced. Other than summons, they sucked on live. Pets were terrible and did awful damage. Pathing was also bad and caused more trains than anything.
Mages on EMU's are probably top 3 in classes due to pets being much better.
Mage pets here are actually worse than they were on live if you ignore the *bug* with pet spells landing. On live they would quad with no weapons, here if they are not wielding anything they only double. In either case the actual damage done per hit is identical. Low 50s per shot to a player. BO3 has the same haste as it always did. On live the 59 air pet with bo3 and velocity would absolutely wreck an int caster or rogue with only jboot speed.
Mages themselves are actually worse here as well because you can't cast multiple bolts. Char is a poor PvP spell compared to scars, but scars is basically useless because of the bolt bug. Pure ganking considered, the ability to use bolt travel time to get 2 spells landing at the same instant on an unaware player on live was pretty nice.
In open zones or zoneline fights they are pretty useful in a group and can probably hold their own solo if pillar is fixed. PvP inside, you can use 58 fire pet and have someone root it in a corner for you so it doesn't get feared. After mala, it will land spells.
Stick with your mage. They offer some real support, are an amazing group PvE class, and are #1 at farming both high pp items and vendor run pp farming. You can make 20k pp in no time as a mage and that is a nice start for gearing an alt later.
Dirtytony
10-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Stop playing video games guys / youll be amaZed at how full your lives can be
Also pussy is good , your only priorities in life should be make money fuck bitches if its anything else you are not a man
freez
10-10-2013, 04:58 PM
thx dirty t
goin to get that pssy and dat money now
time to be a man
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 05:08 PM
Agatha was retired before leaderboards.
This is why you are an idiot.
It's sad I have to spell this out for you.
1) leaderboards show Agatha active since June, 12 kills and 27 deaths spread out without any 4 month break
2) Playing a level 60 class that is OP and broken due to pets prior to this last patch and the resist sytem
3) Lost BoTB because she/he/it tried to nuke the other mages pet and never even realized it.
4) The original poster here rolled a new char because of this persons prior performance.
It was as simple observation I made from the original post. Get it yet bitch?
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Agatha is a stripped CoH bot that does die sometimes, because no one cares when bots die.
When it was being played actively as a main leader boards didn't exist.
HippoNipple is a dumb faggot.
Am I the only person on this thread that saw the video of the worst BoTB performance in Everquest history?
freez
10-10-2013, 05:18 PM
It's sad I have to spell this out for you.
1) leaderboards show Agatha active since June, 12 kills and 27 deaths spread out without any 4 month break
2) Playing a level 60 class that is OP and broken due to pets prior to this last patch and the resist sytem
3) Lost BoTB because she/he/it tried to nuke the other mages pet and never even realized it.
4) The original poster here rolled a new char because of this persons prior performance.
It was as simple observation I made from the original post. Get it yet bitch?
let me explain better faggot
i took a 4 month break and my leaderboard stats are shit
im mentioning this situation because what im trying to say is leaderboards are not the way to figure out which character you want to roll.
i am not agatha / agatha has never played my characters other than maybe a buff or a port.
is this understandable moran?
freez
10-10-2013, 05:21 PM
what you see on the leaderboards of agatha is that of which was result of being a CoH bot.
leaderboards dont matter
neither do seeing a class wreck in classic mean it will wreck in kunark, and velious.
HippoNipple
10-10-2013, 05:26 PM
what you see on the leaderboards of agatha is that of which was result of being a CoH bot.
leaderboards dont matter
neither do seeing a class wreck in classic mean it will wreck in kunark, and velious.
I didn't really want to make a comment on the classes, was more or less wondering why the OP chose to copy Agatha's path when there are so many box heroes available.
You should chill out, if you freak out this much when you find out Agatha sucks I can't imagine how you are going to take it when you figure out you are a dip shit.
Oh Agatha's path? I took it cause I used to be druid 50+, traded for mage 50+, liked the mage but had to trade back so I rerolled mage from lvl 1, also saw agatha's name pop up a lot for pvp while lvling my druid last year. Having talked with agatha a few times about mages and other pvp he was always helpful and took the time to send me detailed responses.
These were tough times for the resistance, pre force they didn't have much going for them from what I could see, but I would routinely see Agatha policing the LS area and chasing off some of the fascists. Heroine figure for me kinda. Though I've never had the chance to be an active part of the resistance aside from some ports here and there and one sky raid when I was on the druid I've always kinda seen myself as a in the trenches guy, spreading the good word to the new members on the community and trying to promote a more diverse range of end game options for them. Sadly many have gone corporate since but it wasn't for lack of trying.
From the noobie pool, the most common anti-resistance comment I hear from new players is a sense of immaturity surrounding AZ. It is what it is. You guy's should do something about it.
mtb tripper
10-10-2013, 08:15 PM
hi iucky
Am I the only person on this thread that saw the video of the worst BoTB performance in Everquest history?
Think I was on break for mage botb so never saw it, heard about it, don't really care. I'm definitely not gonna be the best at any class I roll here. Waaay too many power gamers with talent here for that to even be a legitimate goal. I'm a role player, down to do what's needed for the group and burn the midnight oil all week long. Only thing keeping me from cleric (the first character I made on red) was a lack of friends to roll with as a new player. I've leveled to the 50's twice now and picked up a few good friends along the way and learned how to not be just another victim without a group. I'm pretty confident that cleric is gonna be the class for me. I'm level 9 now so I should be stopping by to see the unrest county police real soon. See ya there!
heartbrand
10-10-2013, 08:33 PM
mages were awful pve classes on live dunno bout pvp
Potus
10-11-2013, 02:35 AM
Based on my memory of Vallon Zek, mage bolts tripped up on geometry all the time and wouldn't land, pets were insanely easy to fear/snare/mez, and mages had pretty bad nukes. They got some help when Sony gave them a fear-immune buff for their pets, but that just meant you rooted the pet or dispelled it before casting fear.
HippoNipple
10-11-2013, 10:04 AM
Based on my memory of Vallon Zek, mage bolts tripped up on geometry all the time and wouldn't land, pets were insanely easy to fear/snare/mez, and mages had pretty bad nukes. They got some help when Sony gave them a fear-immune buff for their pets, but that just meant you rooted the pet or dispelled it before casting fear.
Well if you are dispelling the pet and casting fear the mage could just as easily dispel you and dispel the pet in that time.
Mages are forced to do damage through pet once their DDs become worthless... which sucks.. but the pets are pretty powerful.
Also, all the melees can't fear/root/mez. If you are mezing as an enchanter... you are in the same position, no pets and nukes that are worthless on both sides.
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