Will I be reimbursed?

[Flamewraith]

I bought an MQ and it doesn't look like the seller is going to go through with it. Will I be reimbursed if I petition or am I fucked? I did have a witness at my house who has seen the exchange and promise of service if that helps. He does play ingame.

[Estu]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=118026

[Nuggie]

Name and shame.

[Flamewraith]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=118026

This applies to an MQ that did not work due to handing items in wrong, it does not cover active scamming. I also recall reading elsewhere that some GM said that if you were scammed in the process of an MQ that they would reimburse you.

[Flamewraith]

Name and shame.

Not until I find out if this can be fixed or not.

[Silverain]

A guildie not two days past got scammed on a MQ, he paid part up front, and agreed to pay the rest after. Had the whole thing screened and what not far as I remember him saying. GM said he was out of luck, this was right about the time when all the broadcasts started about researching your sellers. In short, GM won't help unless you get lucky.

[Flamewraith]

A guildie not two days past got scammed on a MQ, he paid part up front, and agreed to pay the rest after. Had the whole thing screened and what not far as I remember him saying. GM said he was out of luck, this was right about the time when all the broadcasts started about researching your sellers. In short, GM won't help unless you get lucky.

Ouch that's disheartening.

[Silverain]

Yes, it is, as I was in the same boat in thinking I had heard they'd help if it was a scam. Guess I misremembered.

[t0lkien]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=118026

[Flamewraith]

Yes well it looks like I'm screwed. His name is dundor, he claims that his main is ellwood. I think I need a break from EQ, it took me weeks to get that money. Feeling disheartened.

[Tecmos Deception]

Yes well it looks like I'm screwed. His name is dundor, he claims that his main is ellwood. I think I need a break from EQ, it took me weeks to get that money. Feeling disheartened.

How much money was it, pal?

[Flamewraith]

How much money was it, pal?

Ragebringer MQ 45k

[Tecmos Deception]

Caveat emptor :(

[Flamewraith]

Caveat emptor :(

Yeah been a shitty day in general, was excited to get the MQ and enjoy my new alt for some carefree low level exping. Jokes on me right? :p

[Tecmos Deception]

Well I wouldn't call it a joke, and it's not cool that people can get away with scamming MQs, but nevertheless buyers need to be careful about who they are handing their money to :-\

[Auvdar]

I hate the idea of twinks having epics, but that does still suck. Sorry it happened man.

[Yinikren]

Yeah, sucks for you with the money thing, but at least its not another twink running around with a weapon he shouldn't have

[Flamewraith]

Yeah, sucks for you with the money thing, but at least its not another twink running around with a weapon he shouldn't have

I put in the time to get the item just like you did with any piece of gear you have on your toon now. I didn't ask if I deserved the weapon I asked if I could get reimbursed. Please keep your opinions to yourself.

[Yinikren]

Sorry pal, was just agreeing with the guy above me. This is why you only trust high level people in prominent guilds with someone like this

[phobus]

Yes well it looks like I'm screwed. His name is dundor, he claims that his main is ellwood. I think I need a break from EQ, it took me weeks to get that money. Feeling disheartened.

His main is certainly not Ellwood. That's my level 22 bard alt.

[Flamewraith]

His main is certainly not Ellwood. That's my level 22 bard alt.

I figured he would be lying, but it is known that he must have a higher level main. Currently he is selling some mid end items like the FBSS

[Auvdar]

I put in the time to get the item just like you did with any piece of gear you have on your toon now. I didn't ask if I deserved the weapon I asked if I could get reimbursed. Please keep your opinions to yourself.

Putting the time and effort into your alt would be getting him to 46 before you got him an epic. I can't claim that's how it was in classic, but all I can remember is no turn ins / quests would even happen if the lvl 46 check wasn't there. But again, I can't make any proof of that so I won't argue it. But in my own head epics should be reserved to the 46+ crowd.

As for losing your money, it does suck. This server is known for people twinking out alts with epics (certain classes at least). Bad stroke of luck that you got scammed. It's still the MQ game you play. Most of the time they work out, but that 1 / 100 time someone gets screwed over. You might get lucky for a GM reimburshment, but I wouldn't count on it sadly :(

[Flamewraith]

Putting the time and effort into your alt would be getting him to 46 before you got him an epic. I can't claim that's how it was in classic, but all I can remember is no turn ins / quests would even happen if the lvl 46 check wasn't there. But again, I can't make any proof of that so I won't argue it. But in my own head epics should be reserved to the 46+ crowd.

As for losing your money, it does suck. This server is known for people twinking out alts with epics (certain classes at least). Bad stroke of luck that you got scammed. It's still the MQ game you play. Most of the time they work out, but that 1 / 100 time someone gets screwed over. You might get lucky for a GM reimburshment, but I wouldn't count on it sadly :(

Talked to Sirken in his stream and he told me I was screwed. Again, I don't want opinions on the epic, I wanted an answer. I got it, so we can lock the thread now if need be. Gonna take a few weeks off I think.

[Auvdar]

Talked to Sirken in his stream and he told me I was screwed. Again, I don't want opinions on the epic, I wanted an answer. I got it, so we can lock the thread now if need be. Gonna take a few weeks off I think.

Go play Saints Row 4. Good way to blow off some steam! :D

[Lune]

Feel bad for this guy, watched an idol get ninja'd, then this all in the same week

[citizen1080]

Not that it helps now but I have been offering a MQ escrow service since they implemented this new policy.

Would have cost you less than 3k plat.

[Flamewraith]

Not that it helps now but I have been offering a MQ escrow service since they implemented this new policy.

Would have cost you less than 3k plat.

Hinsight is 20/20 and I can guarantee that you will see me sometime soon about buying the MQ. Lesson learned for sure, I guess it will just give me another goal to work for.

[Flamewraith]

Feel bad for this guy, watched an idol get ninja'd, then this all in the same week

Hehe yeah, like I said been a fairly shitty week ingame and out, but thanks for the words. It's just a game, I'll get over it.

[Frieza_Prexus]

FRAPS any and all exchanges from start to finish. This won't help you recover if the deal goes bad, but it does provide evidence that can have the scamming account banned. While there's a policy of not reimbursing MQ's, I can't fathom that they'd allow scamming to go on when presented proof of such.

[evan1612]

If Dundor is the halfling warrior Im thinking of, he is a complete doucher and should definitely be name shamed in EC so he everyone knows he is a sneak and not to deal with him.

[Flamewraith]

He is indeed a halfling. Currently selling an FBSS for 15k

[evan1612]

Yup total master douche right there, sorry you had to run into one of the few bad souls when it mattered most.

[Visual]

Don't trust anyone with your plat unless they're a trusted seller or TMO.

[Lu|z Sect]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megy7jGxKc1ry10fwo1_500.gif

[SamwiseRed]

MQing your epic, pretty pathetic. pras.

[Calabee]

pretty sure dundor is infuriati (sp) iksar monk in divinity, he bought an item from me earlier for the rog epic, saying ''whatever rog epic is a joke, i dont really need it''

no one else had inquired about the price of the item but him on his monk, yet ''dundor'' shows up just a few mins after and ask if i still have the item and puts in exact ammnt i was asking w/o ever talking to me previously.

eh or maybe not.. i see both of them on at the same time now (unless he's two boxing)
just a real odd coincidence i guess

[Calabee]

ps: shoulda came to me, i sold the most of these on the server, never once had bad feedback, always reimbursed FULLY the MQ were it to fuck up.

[evan1612]

Well if you look at infuriati's posts there are some dubious comments about him boxing so think about that perhaps. Not saying it's him but the pieces fit.

[citizen1080]

I ran into issues with Infuriati. Guy is a complete fuckwad. Gives Div a bad name.

[Tecmos Deception]

Staff need to pop out teams asap so the reds can get back to killing each other instead of trolling blue forums even harder than usual.

[Auvdar]

I ran into issues with Infuriati. Guy is a complete fuckwad. Gives Div a bad name.

I can't really speak for Divinity that much anymore since I retired a good long ago, but I can almost guarantee that if someone is being shady action will be done against them.

Divinity as a whole has a great track record of weeding out the 'bad seeds', at least when I was active. And I am positive they still do today.

Not saying he is guilty or not, and I really don't have the time (or for the matter, that much care) to go into it further. I just know that the guild in general won't let this kind of action stand if any of it is true.

[SamwiseRed]

Staff need to pop out teams asap so the reds can get back to killing each other instead of trolling blue forums even harder than usual.

? only troll here is OP who is having another person play a 14 year old emu for him. buying your way to the top with plat or pizza is pathetic. no troll.

down with pay to win.

[cukazi]

Saying pay to win is like saying there should be no in game currency because if buying anything with it is pay to win everyone pays to win.

[cukazi]

I bought a chardok pipe MQ for my monk, I'm a horrible person because obviously I bought the plat with pizza to pay for it! gg samwiseRed you should take the wise out of that name.

[Auvdar]

I bought a chardok pipe MQ for my monk, I'm a horrible person because obviously I bought the plat with pizza to pay for it! gg samwiseRed you should take the wise out of that name.

Just do like the rest of the forum and learn to ignore him. It helps.

[Flamewraith]

I'm not even so much mad that I lost the plat, but rather that the scammer gets to walk away with 45k. If I could ask the staff to do one thing, it would be to ban him.

[Tiggles]

pretty sure dundor is infuriati (sp) iksar monk in divinity, he bought an item from me earlier for the rog epic, saying ''whatever rog epic is a joke, i dont really need it''

no one else had inquired about the price of the item but him on his monk, yet ''dundor'' shows up just a few mins after and ask if i still have the item and puts in exact ammnt i was asking w/o ever talking to me previously.

eh or maybe not.. i see both of them on at the same time now (unless he's two boxing)
just a real odd coincidence i guess

I ran into issues with Infuriati. Guy is a complete fuckwad. Gives Div a bad name.

I can also confirm Dundor is Infuriatis trade alt he tried to scam some shit from me earlier in EC.

Also, I would only trust TMO and to a slightly lesser extend FE with MQs on this server. They are the only guilds that have a serious vetting system for applicants, TMO has a 6 week application period as well as a myriad of other requirements to join so not many people are willing to risk being blacklisted for 50k. TMO would probably kick the scammer and reimburse any victim if a member decided to go rogue and scam, I'm sure FE would do the same.

[senna]

stop paying up front dumbasses

just saying

[Flamewraith]

stop paying up front dumbasses

just saying

Wow, what a very intelligent, and insightful piece to add to the conversation. Any other wise words you'd like to share?

[Estu]

Divinity also has a serious application process. I can't speak to the particular situation being discussed, but if anyone has problems with any of our guild members, I would encourage them to contact an officer.

[diplo]

and thats why you never MQ from someone who isn't 50+.

[Lojik]

and thats why you never MQ from someone who isn't 50+.

What level is Infuriati?

[webrunner5]

I can also confirm Dundor is Infuriatis trade alt he tried to scam some shit from me earlier in EC.

Also, I would only trust TMO and to a slightly lesser extend FE with MQs on this server. They are the only guilds that have a serious vetting system for applicants, TMO has a 6 week application period as well as a myriad of other requirements to join so not many people are willing to risk being blacklisted for 50k. TMO would probably kick the scammer and reimburse any victim if a member decided to go rogue and scam, I'm sure FE would do the same.

I would hope that is true Tiggles. MQing has been going on since the beginning of EQ live. How many people over the years have payed for the J Boot MQ. Tons of people including me on live and here.

If people have earned enough plat off another toon to "Twink" a alt more power to them. There has been a ton of threads of people asking what would be the best first toon to start on here. And it is usually a Druid to help make plat porting, PLing to make plat to twink a alt. Usually a Melee. So why are some people up in the air about MQing. Crazy people. :(

[Borador]

Wow, what a very intelligent, and insightful piece to add to the conversation. Any other wise words you'd like to share?well, it kind of is... I can't imagine I'd ever give someone 45k without a serious background check on them. And, from the sounds of it, this guy is a known ass so it shouldn't have taken much digging.

[FenninEQaddict]

I hear BDA is now selling multiquests. They either killsteal the mob for you or petition for it to be awarded. I hear they beat TMO on a monk epic like that. It was on Sirken's feed last night. No work necessary or you even get to keep the turnin piece to trigger the mob.

Sorry to hear this happened to you. Culprit is a good source for rogue epics I know he has been doing MQs for a while.

[Lojik]

Divinity also has a serious application process. I can't speak to the particular situation being discussed, but if anyone has problems with any of our guild members, I would encourage them to contact an officer.

I'm sure you guys have a good screening process, but not at the level of TMO i don't think. If you're planning on buying an MQ it's probably safest to either go through them or at least check on the person you're buying from by asking well respected players on this server. If they can't or won't log on to their 50+ toon, or can't link you the items to MQ, definitely stay away (this is of course no guarantee either.) If no one has heard of them or has bad reports, be wary. Hopefully this sort of thing happens less now that account trading is "banned," but of course it still will happen.

Maybe a sticked thread that includes testimonies of people who have been scammed would remind people to do their research? However I wonder how many people who are scammed don't frequent the forums.

[Samoht]

I hear BDA is now selling multiquests. They either killsteal the mob for you or petition for it to be awarded. I hear they beat TMO on a monk epic like that. It was on Sirken's feed last night. No work necessary or you even get to keep the turnin piece to trigger the mob.

TMO can't take the competition or their own tactics working against them? unpossible! :eek:

[arsenalpow]

I hear BDA is now selling multiquests. They either killsteal the mob for you or petition for it to be awarded. I hear they beat TMO on a monk epic like that. It was on Sirken's feed last night. No work necessary or you even get to keep the turnin piece to trigger the mob.

More like TMO wipes to a mob twice and exceeds the 20 minute timer thus making the mob free for all. BDA shows up to take the target and TMO proceeds to kite the mob for over 10 minutes and gets caught red handed. TMO kills the mob anyways and Sirken is forced to reprimand TMO for their rule breaking and hand over the loot to BDA. Don't kite raid mobs kids, sometimes you will get caught.

Also check out my new sig quote courtesy of Aalpha with his take on the events.

[ncapatina]

Why not just make all the MQable shit tradeable already so people don't get scammed? They already get sold just the same, the only thing that changes is people can't get hosed/bugged out of items.

I could care less if a level 2 has ragebringer personally, there are plenty of really good droppable daggers that can be had for well under 45k it's not like ragebringer makes that big if a difference compared to those 1-46. I think it's a joke some of you take this hard stance on epics but probably have alts rolling around in fungi tunics and RBB/CoFs. Very arbitrary line you are drawing here.

[Samoht]

Very arbitrary line you are drawing here.

the line between classic and not-classic is very clear in most circumstances. most of the decisions made here are far from arbitrary.

[Borador]

Why not just make all the MQable shit tradeable already so people don't get scammed? They already get sold just the same, the only thing that changes is people can't get hosed/bugged out of items.

I could care less if a level 2 has ragebringer personally, there are plenty of really good droppable daggers that can be had for well under 45k it's not like ragebringer makes that big if a difference compared to those 1-46. I think it's a joke some of you take this hard stance on epics but probably have alts rolling around in fungi tunics and RBB/CoFs. Very arbitrary line you are drawing here.
http://wiki.project1999.com/Ragebringer

Not a big difference? The next best thing that you could reasonably twink with is a serpents tooth 13/27 with a bit of str. Backtab damage scales significantly off weapon damage. 40% haste, 40 atk, 20 str, massive resists, 100hp. Its a huge difference.

I am with you on the who cares part though...

Aside from a fungi (or possibly rubi bp or iksar bp) ragebringer is probably the best single twink item you can get.

[Tecmos Deception]

Why not just make all the MQable shit tradeable already so people don't get scammed? They already get sold just the same, the only thing that changes is people can't get hosed/bugged out of items.

I could care less if a level 2 has ragebringer personally, there are plenty of really good droppable daggers that can be had for well under 45k it's not like ragebringer makes that big if a difference compared to those 1-46. I think it's a joke some of you take this hard stance on epics but probably have alts rolling around in fungi tunics and RBB/CoFs. Very arbitrary line you are drawing here.

Wow.

Lol.


I'll limit my comments to one thing though. If you don't think RB is MILES ahead of piercers like SCD or rapier of oriin... then you've obviously never used a RB. RB is absolute godmode.

[arsenalpow]

It's not close. There's a reason rogue twinks are so popular. Easy quest for a best in slot primary and 40% haste. With double wu fists, avatar, VoG, and a disc I MIGHT out parse a mediocre rogue. It's gross how much dps they do.

[-Catherin-]

There is only a couple ways to get around this.

Only do an MQ with someone who is known and trusted. Ask who their main is, and then ask them to log the main on and prove it. Even this may not be enough.

Go through an escrow

[Vaildez]

I hear BDA is now selling multiquests. They either killsteal the mob for you or petition for it to be awarded. I hear they beat TMO on a monk epic like that. It was on Sirken's feed last night. No work necessary or you even get to keep the turnin piece to trigger the mob.

Sorry to hear this happened to you. Culprit is a good source for rogue epics I know he has been doing MQs for a while.

OMG Poor TMO!!! I am starting a donation fund immediately raise plat in support of them!

[shwally]

More like TMO wipes to a mob twice and exceeds the 20 minute timer thus making the mob free for all. BDA shows up to take the target and TMO proceeds to kite the mob for over 10 minutes and gets caught red handed. TMO kills the mob anyways and Sirken is forced to reprimand TMO for their rule breaking and hand over the loot to BDA. Don't kite raid mobs kids, sometimes you will get caught.

Also check out my new sig quote courtesy of Aalpha with his take on the events.

[Flamewraith]

No no no no stop, just fucking stop. Don't turn this into another TMO flaming thread, if I see one more of those I'll puke. Why can't there be a single fucking thread that doesn't devolve into a hatefest?

[orsk]

No no no no stop, just fucking stop. Don't turn this into another TMO flaming thread, if I see one more of those I'll puke. Why can't there be a single fucking thread that doesn't devolve into a hatefest?

You should use a trusted name escrow service or do some more research like ask him to log onto his Ellwood char, see he cant do so, confirmed liar. I can vouche for Bob as can most the rest of the server. Terrible loss but it can be regained, hit me up if you ever need a tank for any parts of your epic.

[Flamewraith]

You should use a trusted name escrow service or do some more research like ask him to log onto his Ellwood char, see he cant do so, confirmed liar. I can vouche for Bob as can most the rest of the server. Terrible loss but it can be regained, hit me up if you ever need a tank for any parts of your epic.

Again hinsight is 20/20 and I will definitely be seeing Bob soon after I recover from my losses. Deru talked to me about the situation and clarified some things, which was great. It's good to know that they actually do listen, and I'm glad that I wasn't just ignored.

[Nuggie]

This is already a hate fest. For infuriati. He needs to come defend himself. These are serious accusations.

The old "bring your problems to an officer" resolution is too late. It's public. Divinity' reputation is on the line as well. Will they harbor a scum bag and look like shit or boot him and maintain their good street cred? Time will tell.

Get infuriati out here.

[Aviann]

So what I've gathered from page 5 or 6 or w/e... is that Dundor is Infuriati, and that he has been online with both chars simultaneously? Not only is that illegal, but he is scamming as well. I'll be adding both to my friend's list tonight and petitioning if I see them on together, in hopes of getting some IP investigations kicking.

[arsenalpow]

Fun fact. One day Jarnauga was looking at Divinty's RL picture thread that's on their public forums and he came across a picture of Infuriati. Infuriati turns out was a former BDA player named Wampy. He was our first epic shaman in the guild and literally days later he RMTed off everything.

We cross referenced his current gear with his gear list on the RMT site. We reported everything to Amelinda, no idea what became of it. He definitely burnt us badly, so when Jarn found this I passed it along to Divinity, if I remember correctly he had just decided to "retire" until velious and I doubt he's tagged with Divinity anymore. Just Wampy doing Wampy things.

Back on topic, if you need help downing a general for a rogue epic let someone in BDA know and we'd be glad to help out.

[orsk]

Dundor in EC tun making more false claims, confirmed lowlife and pathetic. Also admitting to scamming. He knows GM's wont do jack, good thing accounts cant be traded or sold anymore.

[cs616]

Not to drive business away from Bob, but I've almost always been able to find a trusted person in EC to do escrow for a simple donation. Like wise, I've done quite a few for free myself. I think most people in TMO or FE have invested enough into their characters that they would not risk them to rip someone off. That isn't to say people in other guilds aren't in the same boat, but I don't think it is a universal as TMO/FE just due to how much more active those two guilds are. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, and the advice in this thread won't help your situation, but I'd imagine the suggestions people are making in here are more directed towards anyone reading this thread, and not you specifically.

Edit: Also funny to see the BDA / TMO drama over monk epic. Always amazes me how people break out these weak justifications for doing generally shitty things to other people."TMO are mean, so I'm going to be mean to them!" - with this sort of reasoning we're all just racing to the bottom. I think TMO has some members who are complete pieces of shit, but that doesn't stop me from grouping with the good ones, or helping them out when asked. Judging someone based solely on their guild tag would be like picking your friends exclusively on what University they attend. TMO, and even Aalpha (I really don't know him/her at all) could be complete jackasses, but their actions do not dictate yours, and doesn't make jacking someones Xeno (of all mobs lol) any less shitty; even if it is technically in accordance with the rules.

[Pringles]

Why are GMs allowing MQ scamming, exactly? I get not "supporting" MQs, but scamming is scamming is scamming, MQ or not.

[Widan]

Why does no action ever get taken against the blatant scammers though? You won't be reimbursed, but surely the scammer should be banned. The same thing was happening in the month prior to account trading being banned. Every other post on the forums for an account was a scam and all of the scammers got away with them.

I will just quote my post from a month ago about MQ'ing

Why not just get rid of it altogether?

The same thing that happened with account trading is going to happen here, i.e. more and more people scamming until it's outright banned. Why don't we just skip the scamming part this time? Scammers aren't going to care even if you do go after them because they will just be low level characters without any ties auctioning fake MQ's, just like they did with account trades.

This is exactly what is happening and will happen more and more until some action is taken to deter scamming or we will end up with MQ'ing being removed just like account trading.

[ncapatina]

Wow.

Lol.


I'll limit my comments to one thing though. If you don't think RB is MILES ahead of piercers like SCD or rapier of oriin... then you've obviously never used a RB. RB is absolute godmode.

I'm not saying it isn't awesome. I'm just saying you can already faceroll content with the next best thing and nobody complains about a twink rogue with a fungi/RBB and some 13/26 dagger. That is why I call the line arbitrary, you think it's fine to use a drop off Trakanon for example (let's say a kunark class BP) which is harder than doing the ragebringer quest, just because it's droppable?

There just seems to be this sentiment among some people that drops from one 55+ raid is ok but drops from another isn't just because it's called an epic? Because it's a weapon? Because it's obtained from a quest? I dunno.

I still think MQable crap should just be droppable/tradeable if you're going to allow MQing at all.

[Lu|z Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/1C96Iq5.png

[Samoht]

That is why I call the line arbitrary, you think it's fine to use a drop off Trakanon for example (let's say a kunark class BP) which is harder than doing the ragebringer quest, just because it's droppable?

no.

just because it's classic.

it's your line that's the arbitrary line.

ours is clear and concise.

[ncapatina]

no.

just because it's classic.

it's your line that's the arbitrary line.

ours is clear and concise.

Fair enough. So you'd be cool if there was a 16/25 dagger that was droppable and someone was twinked out with it? I guess I was fighting the "it's OP'd" argument but if that's not the argument than I can't really argue with you. :)

Some of the posts (like the one from Tecmos for example) seemed to directly attack how powerful it was and not anything to do with 46+ being required back in the day.

[FenninEQaddict]

More like TMO wipes to a mob twice and exceeds the 20 minute timer thus making the mob free for all. BDA shows up to take the target and TMO proceeds to kite the mob for over 10 minutes and gets caught red handed. TMO kills the mob anyways and Sirken is forced to reprimand TMO for their rule breaking and hand over the loot to BDA. Don't kite raid mobs kids, sometimes you will get caught.

Also check out my new sig quote courtesy of Aalpha with his take on the events.

Obviously there was alot of information not disclosed in Sirken's twitch chat. Doesnt change the fact that its pretty inappropriate the way it went down. Also means you now have a second monk epic you can sell so hopefully someone jumps right on that in EC. Guess the GM handouts work for someone other than TMO huh.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Why are GMs allowing MQ scamming, exactly? I get not "supporting" MQs, but scamming is scamming is scamming, MQ or not.

because its no different from direct trade scam:

A: WTS fungi tunic 100k
You: I will buy
A puts Cloth Tunic into your Trade Window
You put 100k and click trade

The trade is completed, and calling to GM does absolutely nothing - you clicked TRADE - whatever was in the window was traded. Its done.

[Samoht]

Obviously there was alot of information not disclosed in Sirken's twitch chat. Doesnt change the fact that its pretty inappropriate the way it went down. Also means you now have a second monk epic you can sell so hopefully someone jumps right on that in EC. Guess the GM handouts work for someone other than TMO huh.

TMO can't take the competition or their own tactics working against them? unpossible! :eek:

[Widan]

The trade is completed, and calling to GM does absolutely nothing - you clicked TRADE - whatever was in the window was traded. Its done.

Not exactly seeing as GM's are people and not robots so they can make decisions on a case by case basis. Though it seems they have decided that all scamming will go unpunished. The question the community wants to know is why?

[skipdog]

Getting scammed sucks. But what if Flame didn't get scammed and the person he was dealing with truly did just mess up the turn-in or there was a weird issue affecting the MQ? You guys really think both people should just be screwed? Because MQs are... uhh lame?

I think it is unfortunate that the GMs here stopped CSR support of MQs and Account Trading recently.

It's frustrating to join a server and put so much time into it because of things like CSR supported MQs and legit Account Trades so when those things get removed, you start to wonder about what will be changed next. I'd rather see them show interest in finding more GMs if 'its taking too much of our time' is the real reason they changed their policy on these things.

For instance, a big part of my motivation to level characters is that I know that my time is worth something. I know that I can turn that time spent on a character into plat at some point if I'd like to. That 'making my time feel worth something' feeling is gone. I know I can do shady backroom deals to sell a character for plat but I don't want to do that.

In terms of MQ support, I don't see any good reason why there shouldn't be CSR support for MQs. I like the bigger variety of 'camps you can hold to make plat' that MQing gives us. The changing of that policy seemed to coincide with many whining forum posts on the topic. Either way, it's frustrating to have such longstanding policies be changed when dealing with something that requires so much of a time investment as Everquest.

I guess it comes down to the 'I am playing here because of how the rules were and my belief that these longstanding rules would not be changed' and it seems unjust to make changes to some of the core things that have kept some of us here in the first place.

[Flamewraith]

Getting scammed sucks. But what if Flame didn't get scammed and the person he was dealing with truly did just mess up the turn-in or there was a weird issue affecting the MQ? You guys really think both people should just be screwed? Because MQs are... uhh lame?

I think it is unfortunate that the GMs here stopped CSR support of MQs and Account Trading recently.

It's frustrating to join a server and put so much time into it because of things like CSR supported MQs and legit Account Trades so when those things get removed, you start to wonder about what will be changed next. I'd rather see them show interest in finding more GMs if 'its taking too much of our time' is the real reason they changed their policy on these things.

For instance, a big part of my motivation to level characters is that I know that my time is worth something. I know that I can turn that time spent on a character into plat at some point if I'd like to. That 'making my time feel worth something' feeling is gone. I know I can do shady backroom deals to sell a character for plat but I don't want to do that.

In terms of MQ support, I don't see any good reason why there shouldn't be CSR support for MQs. I like the bigger variety of 'camps you can hold to make plat' that MQing gives us. The changing of that policy seemed to coincide with many whining forum posts on the topic. Either way, it's frustrating to have such longstanding policies be changed when dealing with something that requires so much of a time investment as Everquest.

I guess it comes down to the 'I am playing here because of how the rules were and my belief that these longstanding rules would not be changed' and it seems unjust to make changes to some of the core things that have kept some of us here in the first place.

I hope this is a "what if" because if it's not, then you can't read. We didn't DO the MQ, he handed me the jeweled dagger and told me to wait fro him to show up. He never showed up. He then put me on ignore.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Not exactly seeing as GM's are people and not robots so they can make decisions on a case by case basis. Though it seems they have decided that all scamming will go unpunished. The question the community wants to know is why?

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

[FenninEQaddict]

TMO can't take the competition or their own tactics working against them? unpossible! :eek:

Wondering who will end up losing that fight. TMO may have more to lose if BDA could compete but the past has shown this is their only chance from what I've heard. Dont start it yet I need to go get popcorn first for the show. :D

[Vaildez]

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

And that is why we have a database. They can easily pull a query and prove this is false.

[ncapatina]

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

I'd assume there would be a detailed chat log of the sale. It's never a he said/she said situation there are lots of data points the GM staff have access to.

That being said, if they endorsed MQing by supporting it that's just another time suck away from important issues/development. It's a small team.

Either make the items droppable so a true trade can happen, or leave it free for all and people will just have to make good decisions.

[Kika Maslyaka]

unless GM track and store private tells, and not just /ooc chat - its impossible to prove

On LIVE SOE never investigated any MQ claims

[Estu]

Getting scammed sucks. But what if Flame didn't get scammed and the person he was dealing with truly did just mess up the turn-in or there was a weird issue affecting the MQ? You guys really think both people should just be screwed? Because MQs are... uhh lame?

I think it is unfortunate that the GMs here stopped CSR support of MQs and Account Trading recently.

It's frustrating to join a server and put so much time into it because of things like CSR supported MQs and legit Account Trades so when those things get removed, you start to wonder about what will be changed next. I'd rather see them show interest in finding more GMs if 'its taking too much of our time' is the real reason they changed their policy on these things.

For instance, a big part of my motivation to level characters is that I know that my time is worth something. I know that I can turn that time spent on a character into plat at some point if I'd like to. That 'making my time feel worth something' feeling is gone. I know I can do shady backroom deals to sell a character for plat but I don't want to do that.

In terms of MQ support, I don't see any good reason why there shouldn't be CSR support for MQs. I like the bigger variety of 'camps you can hold to make plat' that MQing gives us. The changing of that policy seemed to coincide with many whining forum posts on the topic. Either way, it's frustrating to have such longstanding policies be changed when dealing with something that requires so much of a time investment as Everquest.

I guess it comes down to the 'I am playing here because of how the rules were and my belief that these longstanding rules would not be changed' and it seems unjust to make changes to some of the core things that have kept some of us here in the first place.

Not trying to knock you here, but in my opinion, if I really thought a character I put my time and energy into was worth something (and I do), I wouldn't sell it. When I play a character for that long I feel some attachment to it. Also, leveling up a character generally enables you to make platinum in various ways depending on the character class, so it has in-game worth as well as sentimental worth that doesn't come from selling the character.

[Widan]

unless GM track and store private tells, and not just /ooc chat - its impossible to prove

On LIVE SOE never investigated any MQ claims

Ummm....everything you say in tells or any channel for that matter is recorded and the GM's can look them up. The GM's don't track and store tells, they are stored in the DB. It's not just about MQ's though. No scamming on this server is being punished, people are using the EC forums to explicitly scam, why is everyone ok with this?

[Vaildez]

unless GM track and store private tells, and not just /ooc chat - its impossible to prove

On LIVE SOE never investigated any MQ claims

They don't even need to review chat logs. Any type of exchange will be recorded in the Database.

[myriverse]

They don't even need to review chat logs. Any type of exchange will be recorded in the Database.
The exchange is the most meaningless part.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Ummm....everything you say in tells or any channel for that matter is recorded and the GM's can look them up. The GM's don't track and store tells, they are stored in the DB. It's not just about MQ's though. No scamming on this server is being punished, people are using the EC forums to explicitly scam, why is everyone ok with this?

technically, on EMU the chat logs and actions not stored in DB (or it would explode on day 1), they stored in log files server side, and honestly I don't believe that private tells or guild chat is, at least SOE swore they didn't since it would be violation of privacy.

Scamming wise:
-trade scam - players should just inspect the item in the trade window
-MQ wise - people should not be doing MQs in the first place. If game creators would wanted you to sell quest items, they would have made them tradeable. SOE was just too lazy to go back and recode their quest system to prevent this, but past Velious all no drop quests items were non-MQable.

Emu quest system is inherently non-MQable. It just P99 HAD to make everything MQable for the "classic sake"

[Ephi]

Ummm....everything you say in tells or any channel for that matter is recorded and the GM's can look them up.

This is not true. We do not have access to chat logs.

Nor should we.

[Lu|z Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/zbN6Hgu.jpg

[Widan]

Well thanks for publicly endorsing scamming without consequences then I guess.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Well thanks for publicly endorsing scamming without consequences then I guess.

well, i would say:

1. don't be an fool - inspect items in trade window

2. don't try to take advantage of game exploits, and therefore don't become a victim of someone who would try to take advantage of you. If you cheat - expect to be cheated.

[Lu|z Sect]

CSR Staff will no longer be supporting Multi-Questing of any kind or any form, including epic quests. This means we will not reimburse for an MQ gone wrong, regardless of whether or not the correct items were turned in using the correct order.

[Nuggie]

Not reimbursing doesn't mean they won't punish griefing community members.

If I had a choice of getting money back or having this person punished(punishment level not at my discretion) I would choose punishment.

Also. Divinity why haven't you drug your boy infuriati out by the scruff yet? Or denied he is in the guild. Or denied he is associated with the scammer? Are you condoning his actions?

[Karafa]

I ran into issues with Infuriati. Guy is a complete fuckwad. Gives Div a bad name.

Truths, only asshole in Div I've met.

[Widan]

Not reimbursing doesn't mean they won't punish griefing community members.


Scamming has been going on non stop in game and on the EC forums since the beginning of summer. Tell me who has been punished?

[Tecmos Deception]

Scamming has been going on non stop in game and on the EC forums since the beginning of summer. Tell me who has been punished?

Since the beginning of summer? Try beginning of the server :)

[Nuggie]

that is where another problem begins for me. Staff don't name and shame those they punish. But that doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

[Derubael]

You guys shouldn't be getting scammed. These same scams have been around for 14 years. Why are you still falling for them?

Not going into detail on what staff does with scammers. But I've been putting out global messages daily to watch for scammers, be careful who you trust, make sure the item is correct in trade, etc, and people are still getting scammed. Why?

[evan1612]

I think it's pretty obvious GMs wont reimburse for scamming, which is completely understandable, they aren't your mother who is going to the other boys house to get your toy back.

BUT another example is you don't expect to be reimbursed if you didn't buy home insurance and get your house broken into, however I think all parties involved know some type of reprimanding or punishment is needed for the person who caused all the trouble, so this isn't done over and over again with no consequences.

[Oompaa]

Not reimbursing doesn't mean they won't punish griefing community members.

If I had a choice of getting money back or having this person punished(punishment level not at my discretion) I would choose punishment.

Also. Divinity why haven't you drug your boy infuriati out by the scruff yet? Or denied he is in the guild. Or denied he is associated with the scammer? Are you condoning his actions?

Divinity officers do not play forumquest, you'll only see the occasional member post here, and generally they aren't even active.

[sulpher01]

So wait... just a month or so ago the gm's banned a guy for scamming 2k for PLing that he never did and even posted in the thread on here about it... yet scamming 45k for a MQ is okay?

[cukazi]

So wait... just a month or so ago the gm's banned a guy for scamming 2k for PLing that he never did and even posted in the thread on here about it... yet scamming 45k for a MQ is okay?

Guess ill start scamming people to pay for my fungi, or better yet like a friend had happen to him trade a person 95k for a transfer and have them log guess no one can be trusted in this game, and cant trust the GM's to help when that shit goes wrong. Not like the person didn't trust the person doing the transfer just that the person decided today is my day. Fuck playing this game legit :D lol

/end sarcasm

on a real note tho, I know GM's have a lot of shit to deal with for being an emulated server but as much time as they put into this no pay thumbs up to them. Just wish some time could be set aside dealing with mundane shit like this, not hard to figure out who was in the wrong here and what to do to fix it. Regardless of the fact that he was doing an MQ none of the MQ actually took place. Same with my friend transfering 95k and the person who was "trusted friend for a long time decides to log off with the cash"

[heals4reals]

u engaged in illegal acts

[Cecily]

Really sorry that happened to you.

[Tasslehofp99]

GM's should at the very least list all character names associated with the scammer's IP, shit like this should not be allowed to go unpunished. Its bad enough people can train with impunity on p99!

[Clark]

Not that it helps now but I have been offering a MQ escrow service since they implemented this new policy.

Would have cost you less than 3k plat.

[Nuggie]

Divinity officers do not play forumquest, you'll only see the occasional member post here, and generally they aren't even active.

I don't know who you are, but I've never seen a guild with a good reputation like divinity has not defend themselves against an accusation of this kind.

[Nuggie]

GM's should at the very least list all character names associated with the scammer's IP, shit like this should not be allowed to go unpunished. Its bad enough people can train with impunity on p99!

+1

[Thugnuts]

FYI, Dundor scammed a guildy out of 5k on buying an item today.

Won't go into MQ's or falling for scams. Just thought there should be another reference here for people that Dundor = confirmed asshole.