best of the best statistics

[Colgate]

number of level 60s that have participated(actually showed up and competed) from nihilum: 43(~65.1%)
number of level 60s that have participated that were not in nihilum: 23(~34.8%)
total: 66

number of titles won by nihilum: 21(~58.3%)
number of titles won by non-nihilum: 15(41.6%)
total: 36

jesus christ you guys compose 65% of the level 60 population participating in best of the best tournaments, and you win even lower than that in titles despite having a massive gear advantage?

"we are not a zerg"

[evilldacbane]

bump

[Potus]

How the fuck do you lose a BotB duel with the best gear? Like how? How is that possible? You know pvp is coming. You have time to prepare your spells and think about what you're going to do. How do you fucking lose with better gear?

[Colgate]

in college thanks

[heartbrand]

Statistics skewed slightly, for example in the SK botb, there were 3 nihilum SK's, with nihilum getting the 1st and 2nd place titles, but because 2 of the 3 fought each other in the 2nd round, it was impossible for all 3 to ever get a title. This happened in many of the BOTB's, for example the mage botb you had diplo and strydur against each other round 1 and firebowlt dreyo round 1 where nihilum members are knocking each other out. I looked @ all the BOTB's and this occurred time and time again where nihilum members faced each other in pre title rounds.

tl;dr: that statistic is completely pointless

[s1ckness]

Battle lost first round with 99% raid attendance over the last 2 years

Mrzek won Shaman Botb



0 skill on red99 confirmed.

(i<3 mrzek btw)

[heartbrand]

Necro BOTB: 1 nihilum member, rushx played be thrilla, nihilum wins 1st place tittle

Shaman BOTB: 3 Nihilum members, 2 of them face each other in 1st round forcing an elimination, nihilum wins 1st place title, other gets 4th

Monk BOTB: 4 Nihilum members, get 2nd/3rd/4th [heheh gongshow]

Warrior BOTB: 3 Nihilum members, get 1st/3rd titles

Bard BOTB: 3 Nihilum members, get 1st/2nd titles

Rogue BOTB: 5 Nihilum members, johnny/elderaan 2nd round forcing a nihilum elimination, get 1st/2nd/4th

Paladin BOTB: 2 Nihilum members, but sektor was played by gongshow who is in nihilum, so technically 1st/2nd won by nihilum members and a nihilum member wilan is knocked out by another nihilum member gongshow in 1st round

Wizard BOTB: 7 nihilum members, vaamp/valkyrie first round forcing elimination, hector/tyva 2nd round forcing elimination, action/valkyrie 2nd round forcing elimination, 1st/2nd place titles

SK Botb: 3 nihilum members, wawaka/raze first round forcing nihilum elimination, 1st/2nd titles

Cleric BOTB: dont even know no1 played their chars people DQ'ed all over the place, multiple nihilum v nihilum matches such as shirmp v kina, node v fallen, zarah v kina,etc.

[heartbrand]

Ranger BOTB: 2 Nihilum members, 1st/3rd

Mage BOTB: 5 nihilum members, firebowlt/dreyo 1st round, diplo/strydur first round, diplo/dreyo 2nd round, 2nd/3rd/4th

[Colgate]

Statistics skewed slightly, for example in the SK botb, there were 3 nihilum SK's, with nihilum getting the 1st and 2nd place titles, but because 2 of the 3 fought each other in the 2nd round, it was impossible for all 3 to ever get a title. This happened in many of the BOTB's, for example the mage botb you had diplo and strydur against each other round 1 and firebowlt dreyo round 1 where nihilum members are knocking each other out. I looked @ all the BOTB's and this occurred time and time again where nihilum members faced each other in pre title rounds.

tl;dr: that statistic is completely pointless

the only reason that happens more often is because you had more people signed up

you had 5 out of 8 people signed up in the mage botb, it's impossible for there not to be team-kills pre-title rounds, and the fact that all 3 non-nihilum mages were on the top side of the bracket meant that nihilum was guaranteed at least a 2nd place finish

in the same vein you look at things like agatha vs sickpuppy round 1, pudge vs bamzal round 1

[heartbrand]

Cleric BOTB: 6 Nihilum members, shrimp/kina round 1, fallen/node round 1, zarah/kina round 2, 2nd/3rd/4th

[s1ckness]

point is Nihilum should of won 100% of the botb like holocaust did on vztz .. just sayin when u have the best it should be a hands down win

[s1ckness]

+vztz had a lot better players ..

people like mrzek and other botb winners lost in the first round

[Colgate]

also lol @ pointing out monk botb when there were only 2 non-nihilum monks that were 60 and only one of them had a shot of making it to the semi-finals

[heartbrand]

44 Nihilum participants total
30 in actuality subtracting the 14 times nihilum members faced each other in elimination rounds
22 titles won
5 fourth places

so of those 30, 22 won a title, 5 got 4th place [quite a few of the 3rd place matches were nilly v nilly as well]. So in summary, only 3 nihilum members faced with a non nilly v nilly match were ever eliminated in the entire BOTB

[heartbrand]

the 3rd place nilly v nillys were:

cleric botb: fallen v ruban
mage botb: minie v. dreyo
rogue botb: elderan v tyrionn

[Colgate]

44 Nihilum participants total
30 in actuality subtracting the 14 times nihilum members faced each other in elimination rounds
22 titles won
5 fourth places

so of those 30, 22 won a title, 5 got 4th place [quite a few of the 3rd place matches were nilly v nilly as well]. So in summary, only 3 nihilum members faced with a non nilly v nilly match were ever eliminated in the entire BOTB

44? i see 48 with 21 titles won

i'm counting people who were in nihilum at that time, and non-nihilum at that time(i.e. stasis counts as nihilum, ezpk does not)

[Smedy]

can we get elderan in here to crunch some numbers, shit would be classic

[heartbrand]

that doesn't help your argument which seems to be nihilum members suck if stasis isn't in nihilum anymore and is now part of the resistance? does that mean the resistance people suck? I don't get the point of your argument then. You're also missing/ignoring the point that from that 44, only 30 could have ever won a title due to nilly v nilly elimination matches, and from that 30, 22 won a title, and 5 got fourth place [and in 3 of those fourth place examples it was due to nilly v nilly]

[Tune]

emperor skoolin u kids

least it was a fast read

[s1ckness]

Teehee undefeated on crushbone pvp

[heartbrand]

I'll do it this way then, based upon who was "tagged" at the time, here are the only matches nihilum members have lost to non-nihilum members in an elimination / 3rd place round:

Blarp beat Xico [LOL xico sucks everyone knows this]

Badger beat Batlle [who wasn't even played by the real badger which according to your criteria should probably rule that out]

Sektor beat Wilan, but again Sektor was played by Gongshow a nihilum member so can this one is meaningless

Larsen beat Thrilla

Solsek beat Tyva

Fecal beat Mendan

Lite beat Twainz

Brennard beat Wolfe

[Smedy]

emperor skoolin u kids

least it was a fast read

more like another successful thread by colgate calling out various neckbeards from their caves during prime faptime for some arguing about silly shit

ya'll dumb as fuck

open teams99

[heartbrand]

tyva is an alt / wolfe is an alt / twainz v lite was incredibly incredibly close / thrilla fucked up no denying / didn't see the fecal v mendan fight

[s1ckness]

open teams99

[Colgate]

tyva is an alt / wolfe is an alt / twainz v lite was incredibly incredibly close / thrilla fucked up no denying / didn't see the fecal v mendan fight

what does being an alt have to do with anything if they're better geared than 99% of the rest of the server?

[heartbrand]

because the alt's aren't better geared. for example solsek had queen shield tyva did not. twainz and lite had identical gear at the time, wolfe had just hit 60 or maybe wasn't even 60 yet I don't remember, the only real "gear advantage" losses were thrilla to larsen and mendan to fecal.

[heartbrand]

o left gongshow losing to you out of it, but I mean we have a 100 page thread on that 1 already heheheheheh

[Colgate]

twainz is not an alt? and he certainly had better gear than lite

gongshow and nothxu both had enormous amounts of str, agi, and dex over me and iksar wouldn't have meant shit if i didn't kite them/outjoust them and drag the fight on for several minutes longer than a normal fight would last

tarwine was 3 levels lower and didn't have nearly as good of gear as willan

thrilla had retarded gear advantage over larsen and larsen fucked up buff phase and only had one rune as opposed to two

elderan and salt had arguably equivalent gear until you factor in weapons in which elderan had better gear

no idea what kind of gear sickpuppy had vs what minie and diplo had

mendan had retarded gear advantage over kama and fecal

tehruoh had better gear than hughman and hughman was assraping him and won in spirit

wolfe had way better gear than brennard

[Hughman]

Tehruoh is like a handicapped child. Not surprised that he died to hughman, a dude who joined heresy on vztz and continued to be a non-factor.
Miss shoos though
Plz, at least my biggest EQ accomplishment (lol I sound like Elderan) isn't opening an MQ compile.

[Hughman]

Hard to believe in 6-7 years of eqemu we have been guilded a few times.

[Hughman]

I joined when I was leveling with Durin in Guk, long before we had even started raiding, not that it matters anyways. The only thing you managed to do when you led was distribute MQ to anyone who didn't have it.

[Tune]

colgate is all about dat gear gap when

a) there isn't much of a gear gap atm

b) resists on server do way less

sit down fool

[Syft]

colgate is all about dat gear gap when

a) there isn't much of a gear gap atm

b) resists on server do way less

sit down fool

If gear doesn't matter so much then why does your guild go after every raid mob to farm items they don't need and don't sell, just so they don't fall into enemy hands?

[Labanen]

number of level 60s that have participated(actually showed up and competed) from nihilum: 43(~65.1%)
number of level 60s that have participated that were not in nihilum: 23(~34.8%)
total: 66

number of titles won by nihilum: 21(~58.3%)
number of titles won by non-nihilum: 15(41.6%)
total: 36

jesus christ you guys compose 65% of the level 60 population participating in best of the best tournaments, and you win even lower than that in titles despite having a massive gear advantage?

"we are not a zerg"thats not how to do statistics, ill run a few tests on the dataset when i get home. One thing i noticed just typing down the results though was that nihilum has 9 out of 12 first places, thats 75 %, which is higher than the 65 % you would expect from shear participation numbers.

PS: dead pets dont care about a blind effect bros :-)

[Fame]

holy fucking immersion

[RoguePhantom]

Heartbrand, hows Nizzar's dick taste? You sure are doing alot of cock slobbering.

[Colgate]

thats not how to do statistics, ill run a few tests on the dataset when i get home. One thing i noticed just typing down the results though was that nihilum has 9 out of 12 first places, thats 75 %, which is higher than the 65 % you would expect from shear participation numbers.

PS: dead pets dont care about a blind effect bros :-)

imo hughman won, not tehruoh, so 8 out of 12

[Kraftwerk]

Solsek beat Tyva


tyva is an alt

Don't you dare take my thunder away.

[Labanen]

There is always gonna be numbers up for arguing. I am not happy at the way the cleric one was done either. But lets go with the official results anyway.

[Thrilla]

gear advantage is negligible honestly, seems easy coming from the side with the gear advantage but if you math it out at least with the wizard you're not even getting an extra nuke out of all that VP gear, it ain't velious yet where gear made a drastic difference

what is the point of the post though? that there are skilled players out of nihilum that should be respected? sure..

[heartbrand]

Hughman is a good player, and if I had to choose tehruoh or Hughman to be my main assist then it shouldn't be a surprise id choose Hughman, but you have no way of knowing that had Sirken not intervened that he would have gone on to win round one an then round two as well. The RNG factor of procs / crippling blows was huge.

[Something'Witty]

what is the point of the post though?

To play forumquest, the lamest game ever!

[heartbrand]

twainz is not an alt? and he certainly had better gear than lite

gongshow and nothxu both had enormous amounts of str, agi, and dex over me and iksar wouldn't have meant shit if i didn't kite them/outjoust them and drag the fight on for several minutes longer than a normal fight would last

tarwine was 3 levels lower and didn't have nearly as good of gear as willan

thrilla had retarded gear advantage over larsen and larsen fucked up buff phase and only had one rune as opposed to two

elderan and salt had arguably equivalent gear until you factor in weapons in which elderan had better gear

no idea what kind of gear sickpuppy had vs what minie and diplo had

mendan had retarded gear advantage over kama and fecal

tehruoh had better gear than hughman and hughman was assraping him and won in spirit

wolfe had way better gear than brennard

Lite and twainz had identical gear what are you talking about? Both had epics and all the other shit what item are you referencing that twainz had that lite didn't? And it came down to 1%.

The monk shit there's a 100 page thread on not really interested in rehashing it.

Thrilla fucked up, and like I said prior, are you therefore claiming he's a bad player because he messed up his strat in a botb? Because if you're sayin that then its hard to take you seriously since he's better than the majority of this server.

Wilan is a faggot that no one liked and everyone knew was full of shit, grats on that one no one cares.

Beyond all of that, botb is a joke for the most part and has no bearing on who is actually good at eq pvp or not. Lite won cleric botb but I'd bet I could out heal him with proper assist healing and line of sight in mass pvp on level 54 Selena. Greams a cool guy who improved immensely since coming to red99 but I can think of a few rogues I'd take over him in pvp if I could only bring one.

[Stasis01]

Not allowing Jboots, allowing boulders.

The BOTB's for melee all have seemed slow and RNG based.

Some of them seemed legit, but without Jboots, I feel like a lot of them were a bit of a dice roll.

I didn't watch all, but Hashtag/Wawaka - first round Wawaka smashes Hash, then second roung Hash smashes Wawa? RNG at it's finest - both players knew how to play, and rolled their dice.

I didn't watch warrior/monk but I imagine it would be along the same lines.

Allowing boulders? No jboots? What kind of BOTB was this, you'd think after this many years of EMU PVP that would be glaring flaws in your ruleset haha.

[Stasis01]

Oh yeah monk, fist only no jboots?

We aren't in 1999 bro's, how'd Sirken go along with this as proof of who's the best monk.

[krazyGlue]

first round.. sickpuppy vrs Agatha. mage botb... only 2 non nihilum mages there . I went on spanking every other mage in the contest.. with dreyo screaming that I was cheating . prebuffing ect,

[heartbrand]

Sickpuppy, is he that Mage I 1v2ed before who had a 60 VP geared necro also?

[SamwiseRed]

Wilan is a faggot that no one liked and everyone knew was full of shit, grats on that one no one cares.


lol'd

[SamwiseRed]

boulders in the rogue botb was stupid as fuck, probably one of the most lopsided rules ive ever seen in any kind of gaming contest/tournament.

[krazyGlue]

I think if it wasn't me vrs Agatha in the first round. 1st and 2nd titles would have went to sickpuppy/Agatha hands down.

[heartbrand]

Agatha the same guy who had the worst loss in the entire red botb right? I need what's in your pipe.

[Stasis01]

If I ever see Colgate runnen around jbootless with his fists out ima be scared as fuck because he's battle tested.

[krazyGlue]

hb that was a 2v2 .. mage/necro vrs warrior (5soulfire charges) tune bard...I went oom after killing tune. and the necro did nothing but send his pet on you it was no match for the 5 soulfire charges .. oh and btw I don't remember if it was tune or not . but im p sure it was

[heartbrand]

First, I used four not five get it right, second it was dekadenz, loyal member of Team Checkadenz. And does it really even matter? It's Mage necro with pets against a melee you can kite me all over.

[Stasis01]

I thought it was Deka,

but that fight was the most epic display of clickies in the game.

Checkraise bouldered down a 60 mage/necro while soulfiring himself, get fucking owned.

I thought it was hilarious, do I think soulfire should work like that probably not - but unless they nerf it, was a pro move.

I gave a good licken to Supreme/Destin that day too - showed those two what's UP.

[Stasis01]

Oops afkd and then posted without looking haha.

That was probably one of my most memorable comebacks on red99, that's up there with Kabanazy's BOTB backstab, probably even bigger comeback TBH.

60 mage/necro with pets vs a 60 Warrior all full hp and you LOST.

[Vile]

trololol

[krazyGlue]

mightystrike. boulders ftw? I think you crit me for 600 ? or some shit was kinda lame. but wasn't mad ..just wished I had a soulfire my self

[heartbrand]

Didn't mighty strike, I had no disc up from using precision the fight before

[Nirgon]

I thought Salt got 2nd place in rogue when he slew Nizzar playing Eldurmoran

[heartbrand]

I only included elimination matches or third place matches

[Nirgon]

Yeah fuck reading this or even thinking about it then

[heartbrand]

Based on what rationale? Of 27 max possible titles for nihilum members after accounting for nihilum v nihilum elimination matches, 22 of those titles were claimed by nihilum. There's no spin on that stat. I also think its meaningless because I think the botb while a fun event is meaningless.

[Nirgon]

"Nihilum got 2nd even though Salt did"

At that point, I stop reading a thread

[heartbrand]

Quote please

[heartbrand]

You got me on rogue I typoed it was 1/3/4 not 1/2/4 which does not change the 22 put of 27 number at all

[HippoNipple]

The best way to squash this nonsense is go off of who got first place. Who cares about 2nd-4th place when there are brackets with 5 people.

[Nirgon]

4th place on 50 pop server yo

[Alecta]

Based on what rationale? Of 27 max possible titles for nihilum members after accounting for nihilum v nihilum elimination matches, 22 of those titles were claimed by nihilum. There's no spin on that stat. I also think its meaningless because I think the botb while a fun event is meaningless.

Should be a sportscaster.

"He's got a perfect hitting record while playing at home, against favored opponents, in series where his team is leading, when his team is behind, while it's raining and the count is in his favor, and there is a one-armed dwarf sitting near the dugout."

[heartbrand]

heh, appreciate that, but honestly it's not spin, there were only 27 titles obtainable by Nihilum due to elimination matches that pit nihilum v nihilum. 22 of them went on to win a title. That's a pretty high % imo. I got suckered into this thread tbh because I enjoy statistics and math and I happened to just get home from teaching logical flaws involving numbers for LSAT when I saw the post. I looked at OP and it just seemed incredibly fishy. Never meant to get this immersed in thread, HB out.

[Nirgon]

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/images/jewz_newz_new_cover.jpg

[HippoNipple]

heh, appreciate that, but honestly it's not spin, there were only 27 titles obtainable by Nihilum due to elimination matches that pit nihilum v nihilum. 22 of them went on to win a title. That's a pretty high % imo. I got suckered into this thread tbh because I enjoy statistics and math and I happened to just get home from teaching logical flaws involving numbers for LSAT when I saw the post. I looked at OP and it just seemed incredibly fishy. Never meant to get this immersed in thread, HB out.

Well there were matches that automatically take a Nihilum out (Nihilum vs Nihilum) but there were also many titles given automatically to Nihilum because that's all that was left playing. You kill someone that is level 55 as a 60 and automatically get a title. Who cares about 4th place.

Like I said, just count 1st place and all this forced guild vs guild is taken out of the equation.

[Colgate]

trololol

vile's only one who gets it

snortled hard reading this thread