Nerf Bard AE Kiting

[Syft]

Everyday I see a group with Bard AE kiting, pwrlvling noobs up to 50 range, which is fine on red99. But on new server none of this BS should go down, they nerfed bard AE's to 4 targets on live because of this nonsense.

I don't want to see anyone on teams ding 20 lvls a day because they had a bard friend. Bard's can solo lvl with swarming just fine, but I don't wanna see neckbeards with 7 alt's lvl 40 day one because they happened to roll a bard.

and YES I am here to shit in everyone's cool-aid!

[runlvlzero]

Weren't you against getting Highsun nerfed cause bards were seriously underpowered? Or was that Twainz or Dullah.

[Syft]

Weren't you against getting Highsun nerfed cause bards were seriously underpowered? Or was that Twainz or Dullah.

I was the one asking for highsun to be nerfed, along with unlimited pillar range!

Most of the things I ask for changes on, hurt my classes the most!

[runlvlzero]

I was the one asking for highsun to be nerfed, along with unlimited pillar range!

Most of the things I ask for changes on, hurt my classes the most!

Cool my memory is fuzzy. I kinda think AE kiting should stay in some form, maybe remove the ability to agro more then 16 mobs.

[Syft]

Cool my memory is fuzzy. I kinda think AE kiting should stay in some form, maybe remove the ability to agro more then 16 mobs.

Unless the Ae is nerfed you'll watch Nihilum have lvl 55's by weeks end on teams server without this mechanic it can't be done.

Mark my Word's, on live this wasn't done as much as it was here, and it's a slap in the face to anyone who is lvling up the right way.

[Bardalicious]

bard AE is classic, get over it. so incredibly easy to fuck a bard over on a kite on pvp anyways. when was the AE nerfed to 4 targets? certainly not during the era this server emulates.

new server starts w/o kunark so we'll be in the karanas for the most part, which.. who cares?

p.s. 2 grp slots left for bard plvl on new box l0l

[Syft]

bard AE is classic, get over it. so incredibly easy to fuck a bard over on a kite on pvp anyways. when was the AE nerfed to 4 targets? certainly not during the era this server emulates.

new server starts w/o kunark so we'll be in the karanas for the most part, which.. who cares?

p.s. 2 grp slots left for bard plvl on new box l0l

Like I said IDC about it on red99, but if you allow for it on new teams server, people are gonna be crying about lvl 60 nihilum week 2 of server launch and you really don't want that.

I don't argue for things if they benefit me alone, but argue for the good of the server.

[Bardalicious]

new server starts w/o kunark

lvl 60 nihilum week 2 of server

wat?

ppl gonna burn through levels thru extreme poopsocking and account sharing anyways. work smarter, not harder imo and make friends with bard(s) ahead of time. i could always use another strong pvper in my grp to defend our pulls during xp sessions on new box, hint hint.

[Stinkum]

get over it. so incredibly easy to fuck a bard over on a kite on pvp anyways.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be nerfed, but I find this to be a hilarious argument.

I'm a Bard on Blue server, and I got levels 40-44 in a single AE kite (solo) that took me probably 45 minutes to do. Keep in mind, this was on Blue server where there's no XP bonus (unlike Red) and that includes getting out of the miserable hell level that was 40.

Even if PvP was turned on and I got rooted and killed 10 times, the reward is still so disproportionately awesome for any 1 successful AE kite that ganking me repeatedly wouldn't even be a speedbump in my overall XP. I think you know this and are being intentionally dishonest because AE kiting benefits yourself.

[Bardalicious]

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be nerfed, but I find this to be a hilarious argument. I'm a Bard on Blue server, and I got levels 40-44 in a single AE kite (solo) that took me probably 1 hour to do.

That includes getting out of the miserable hell level that was 40, and on Blue server where (remember) there's no XP bonus. Even if PvP was turned on and I got rooted and killed 10 times, the reward was so great that any possible penalty wouldn't even remotely approach a speedbump in my XP.

I think you know this and are being intentionally dishonest because it benefits yourself.

If you wanted to make the argument that low hp aggro kiting should be nerfed, I could probably agree with it. But to want to bomb the ability of a bard to AE kite simply because they do it better than classic due to connection and hardware improvements is a silly notion.

If that were the case they might as well throttle our connections to emulate 56k so that everyone is affected equally in all aspects of gameplay.

There is nothing dishonest about wanting to preserve one of the major reasons to play your favorite class. It's a moot point, however. How often do they intentionally change mechanics to knowingly deviate away from how they worked on live at this project?

[Bardalicious]

Even if PvP was turned on and I got rooted and killed 10 times, the reward is still so disproportionately awesome for any 1 successful AE kite that ganking me repeatedly wouldn't even be a speedbump in my overall XP. I think you know this and are being intentionally dishonest because AE kiting benefits yourself.

Also, Syft is making the argument that this isn't a fair way of leveling entire groups of people, not just a solo bard. You're severely underestimating how much someone can block you from xping this way on a pvp server.

Take 20 minutes to gather a pull in one of the karanas just to get pelled / snared / rooted or otherwise ganked without getting the xp. Then spend another 10-20 running back naked from HHK / Qeynos / wherever and risk being corpse camped or killed again in pvp. On top of the normal risks you run from PVE.

Breaking bard AE kiting will not stop the devoted from powergaming to level 50 within a week of server coming up.

[Stinkum]

I personally think they should keep AE kiting since it's classic (as you pointed out), but cap the maximum level on server release on a set timeline. You could stagger it to be something like maximum level 20 for the first 2 weeks, etc.

This helps keep the game more on grouping and PvPing and less of the ratrace to max level by whatever shady means necessary.

[Syft]

Also, Syft is making the argument that this isn't a fair way of leveling entire groups of people, not just a solo bard. You're severely underestimating how much someone can block you from xping this way on a pvp server.

Take 20 minutes to gather a pull in one of the karanas just to get pelled / snared / rooted or otherwise ganked without getting the xp. Then spend another 10-20 running back naked from HHK / Qeynos / wherever and risk being corpse camped or killed again in pvp. On top of the normal risks you run from PVE.

Breaking bard AE kiting will not stop the devoted from powergaming to level 50 within a week of server coming up.

Bind yourself right outside OT Fort, ding 30-52 in a day, yea sounds legit. Sorry but Swarm kiting is really good enough for a bard to solo to 60 faster than any other class in game.

When this became prevalent on Live they nerfed it, of course 15 years later everybody knows exactly how to do it and most toons on this server hit 60 because of it. On live 80% of the toons weren't bard lvl'd to 60.

Some classic idea's need to be abandoned when they threaten the integrity of the box.

Fast track lvling allows neckbeards to put a strangle hold on a server, not just by outlvling everyone off the jump but by lvling tons of alt's as well.

This impacts the economy as well as Tune's Alt#503 gets gear over someone's main.

[Bardalicious]

If you don't want people taking advantage of 13 year old knowledge then you shouldn't be playing a 13 year old video game, sorry pal.

You still fail to acknowledge the fact that Kunark won't even be available upon release of the new server which severely reduces the effectiveness and viability of AE kiting. You still fail to acknowledge the fact that the people determined to level fast will do so regardless of bard AE kiting. Your problem isn't with bards specifically. It's with people leveling faster than you're comfortable with. And unless they went fully custom and introduced time-based level caps like Stinkum suggested, the shit just isn't going to matter.

You see such a huge impact on Red99 because of two reasons:

1) Overthere and Burning Woods npc density makes for absurd number of xp hits per pull.
2) Server is a fucking ghost town and nobody goes to those zones to do normal xp for the most part anyways, thus zero competition or risk of pvp most days.

Good luck with both of those on a new, pre-expansion pvp box where everyone will be trying to level in the very few zones that you can make AE kiting worthwhile in.

But again, moot point. You think they'll nerf wizard PBAE's and enchanter color stuns to only hit 4 targets at a time as well? I sure don't.

[Syft]

Here's a great explanation of how Bard AE kiting is used now and why it was not something used in classic!

See video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEhbOt149w&feature=youtube_gdata

Description: Essentially, the low hp aggro mechanics on the server allow you to lock mob aggro onto a player character.

While aggro is locked, a second character can kill the train of 200+ mobs via pbaoes (bard/wizard/etc).

The low hitpoint kiter can be on the other side of the zone during this process. Therefore, there is no risk of death similar to traditional bard pbaoe kiting. Two character can kill a train of 200 mobs doing 100,000 damage per aoe cast. Used in Skyfire at level 60, one can get 20% of a level per pull.

Note that on live even traditional bard pbaoe kiting (non-low hp) was not used significantly until planes of power by Worry from Sullon Zek. Until that point in time bards were still using charm burning or swarm kiting (charm mob and send into a pack of enemy mobs) for leveling.

The reason that I am posting this here is that I do not want to lvl 50's on the first day of the new sz99 server.

Below are some logs for an average pull doing 80,190 damage for 285 mana.

[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ember hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ember hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant arbor was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant arbor is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ember hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ember hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak knight was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak knight is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tottering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tottering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.

Now I'm not opposed to them nerfing the argo but that would be tricky and take a lot of code changes that affected many aspects of pvp and pve, while making it 4 target only would be much easier and was what sony did after they saw just a few months of this on live.

[Aenor]

This is the staff's chance to get stuff like this, clickie recharging, etc, right. Red99 was beta. Pls fix the known bugs before release. Thank you staff for your time and efforts.

[Bardalicious]

Here's a great explanation of how Bard AE kiting is used now and why it was not something used in classic!

Again, if your argument is that LOW HP AGGRO KITING should be nerfed, I agree. But that's entirely separate from bard PBAE kiting, something that I did on live through all of Velious.

If you have some evidence to suggest that it was nerfed and stayed nerfed on live (lol doesn't exist) during this era, please make a valid bug report.

[Syft]

Again, if your argument is that LOW HP AGGRO KITING should be nerfed, I agree. But that's entirely separate from bard PBAE kiting, something that I did on live through all of Velious.

If you have some evidence to suggest that it was nerfed and stayed nerfed on live (lol doesn't exist) during this era, please make a valid bug report.

I'd rather have both nerfed than bog the staff down trying to figure out how to fix argo issues. When they already have so much to do.

Sorry but making a few bards lvl slower is a fair trade off to having lvl 60's on the first week of new server launch.

As a guy who plays a Wiz and Bard I have nothing to gain from this whatsoever, and am literally posting it because it could destroy the new box before it ever gains a pop sorry but that's the truth.

[Bardalicious]

Sorry but making a few bards lvl slower is a fair trade off to having lvl 60's on the first week of new server launch.

You're a moran and clearly not worth arguing with.

Good luck with the crusade though. One of these threads had been popping up every week or 2 for years. Guess we've seen how it turned out so far yeah?

[Syft]

You're a moran and clearly not worth arguing with.

Good luck with the crusade though. One of these threads had been popping up every week or 2 for years. Guess we've seen how it turned out so far yeah?

As a bard and Wizard arguing for it's removal I think my opinion is much more valid than a bard arguing to keep it so he can abuse a mechanic that was never even used in classic.

But keep on being angry

[Silikten]

PvP hinders all xp gains.

[Potus]

There's literally no reason to nerf bards in PvE. Sorry.

This is a horrible thread.

[Bardalicious]

As a bard and Wizard arguing for it's removal I think my opinion is much more valid than a bard arguing to keep it so he can abuse a mechanic that was never even used in classic.

But keep on being angry


You mean a bard and wizard on a box that you've already mostly leveled thru on. Yes, such valid points you make, moran. Again, all PBAE spells need to be nerfed to hit a maximum of 4 targets. We wouldn't want enchanter/wizard/cleric AE groups on this new box. I think necromancer needs to be removed from the playable class list as well, because I don't want one of those fuckers to ding 9 while i'm still struggling through level 3. We must not allow these scum to abuse game mechanics like this!

Syft, honest question, how old were you in 1999?

[Bardalicious]

There's literally no reason to nerf bards in PvE. Sorry.

This is a horrible thread.

[Syft]

You mean a bard and wizard on a box that you've already mostly leveled thru on. Yes, such valid points you make, moran. Again, all PBAE spells need to be nerfed to hit a maximum of 4 targets. We wouldn't want enchanter/wizard/cleric AE groups on this new box. I think necromancer needs to be removed from the playable class list as well, because I don't want one of those fuckers to ding 9 while i'm still struggling through level 3. We must not allow these scum to abuse game mechanics like this!

Syft, honest question, how old were you in 1999?

Like 20 nobody on live was AE kiting find me one video or thread on it that isn't pop era.

Your arguments are honestly retarded no other class can get 5 lvl's in 45-1 hour in 50 range, your really lying through your teeth on this one and gonna hand Nihilum the new server just so you can abuse a mechanic that was never used in that era. In 1999a lot of player's were on dialup lol.

[Darksinga]

Bard swarm kiting is fine. Definitely nerf aggro kiting, that is very overpowered. As Bardalicious stated, on a highly populated server, you get shiiiit on swarm kiting. Not to mention the lvl 2 AE is so flippin short range, the bard is so close to the train that if you disrupt him in the smallest way he has a high chance to die. Now the xp is great if you can have a group protect the bard, but with the newfound xp bonus, I think most people will be able to focus on grouping and actually lvling rather than afking while a bard swarms. Before the xp was so bad it wasn't worth it to group in dungeons (non kiting). To fix this just keep focusing on dungeon bonuses, like Unrest's bonus, and you will surely counter the bard kiting IMO. Overall, bard is king of solo xp, can't handicap that bros. ALSO, fix charm kiting.

[Bazia]

dont worry

be happy

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[Bardalicious]

Like 20 nobody on live was AE kiting find me one video or thread on it that isn't pop era.

Your arguments are honestly retarded no other class can get 5 lvl's in 45-1 hour in 50 range, your really lying through your teeth on this one and gonna hand Nihilum the new server just so you can abuse a mechanic that was never used in that era. In 1999a lot of player's were on dialup lol.

Yeah bro so many fraps videos floating around from 1999-01 right? l0l

The burden of proof is on the retard kicking and screaming to get something nerfed even though it's working the way it worked on live. And even still, this many posts in despite repeatedly being corrected, you're citing xp rates of kiting KUNARK zones.

Syft, from the way you type, the way you act in game and the childish pictures you post on these forums I'd say you're either of relatively low intelligence, of young age, or of a tragic combination of both.

[Bardalicious]

Bard swarm kiting is fine. Definitely nerf aggro kiting, that is very overpowered. As Bardalicious stated, on a highly populated server, you get shiiiit on swarm kiting. Not to mention the lvl 2 AE is so flippin short range, the bard is so close to the train that if you disrupt him in the smallest way he has a high chance to die. Now the xp is great if you can have a group protect the bard, but with the newfound xp bonus, I think most people will be able to focus on grouping and actually lvling rather than afking while a bard swarms. Before the xp was so bad it wasn't worth it to group in dungeons (non kiting). To fix this just keep focusing on dungeon bonuses, like Unrest's bonus, and you will surely counter the bard kiting IMO. Overall, bard is king of solo xp, can't handicap that bros. ALSO, fix charm kiting.

No way Darksinga, all us bards are gonna ding level 60 by kiting in Eastern and Southern Karanas within 6 hours of the server being released duhhhh. :rolleyes:

[dethbringre]

I'm pretty sure Syft or Tyva one F'ed me several times when I was low hp kiting in DL. Yeah its over powered but one root or snare and its game over instantly. Also, AoE kiting wasn't nerfed on live until shortly after LoY expansion, so if we follow the classic timetable I think we'll be ok, and on live it was also nerfed far beyond just 4 mobs.. Your AoE DoT song on live will not hit mobs if you are moving, effectively killing ALL AoE swarming.

[Syft]

Yeah bro so many fraps videos floating around from 1999-01 right? l0l

The burden of proof is on the retard kicking and screaming to get something nerfed even though it's working the way it worked on live. And even still, this many posts in despite repeatedly being corrected, you're citing xp rates of kiting KUNARK zones.

Syft, from the way you type, the way you act in game and the childish pictures you post on these forums I'd say you're either of relatively low intelligence, of young age, or of a tragic combination of both.

Your belligerent tone and childish jeers do not mask your inability to think logically, or rationalize the bigger issue at hand.

Nerfing argo I'm fine with BUT if the option is release new server with AE group kiting or remove AE kiting all together, I'll take the latter.

And that's how logic and common sense works, you prioritize things based on a global NOT singular view. It's impact on the server being far more damaging then it's effect upon the one class.

Arguing that it's classic, when no one used AE groups in classic is really an invalid argument.

[Potus]

Like 20 nobody on live was AE kiting find me one video or thread on it that isn't pop era..

People were AE kiting on live. It wasn't as popular or easy as swarm kiting for a variety of reasons, mostly that the zones were not that conducive to it (you don't get entirely empty, flat, boring zones until Luclin, most servers had large populations so you didn't have zones full of npcs) while swarm kiting was incredibly easy and lucrative.

Sony didn't nerf it because the risk versus reward was totally in line with classic EQ. One lag spike, one misclick, one accidental running into a tree, one player comes and roots you, one npc lands a bash and you died. Your entire kite was wasted and you lost a ton of exp.

Even if you did get 2-3 levels in a day or so (you didn't get it per pull, that's ludicrous) you still had the level up your skills. A bard that AE kited and did nothing else was completely worthless, would die meleeing to greens because he/she had no offense/defense skills.

There have been a lot of dumb threads recently but this takes the cake. Also I don't even agree with Aggro kiting. You realize that people used to have entire groups of wizards/enchanters who stunned/nuked mobs, right? Would you nerf them as well?

[Bardalicious]

you're citing xp rates of kiting KUNARK zones

Syft is literally so consumed by his hatred for Nihilum that he'd nerf one of the primary reasons for playing a class just to make sure they don't get a "leg up" in any way on the new box.

If you honestly think that'll stop Nihilum from organizing day 1 and making a strong run for leaders of the box again with or without bard xp, you're beyond hope.

[dethbringre]

Lol bard kiting really got out of hand, and led to eventual nerf, with the release of LoY, a decent skilled bard could solo pull entire Dulak's Harbor zone, it was good AA xp, but TONS of money back then in gem drops.. you could easily pull 200 mobs and warp the zone..

[Syft]

People were AE kiting on live. It wasn't as popular or easy as swarm kiting for a variety of reasons, mostly that the zones were not that conducive to it (you don't get entirely empty, flat, boring zones until Luclin, most servers had large populations so you didn't have zones full of npcs) while swarm kiting was incredibly easy and lucrative.

Sony didn't nerf it because the risk versus reward was totally in line with classic EQ. One lag spike, one misclick, one accidental running into a tree, one player comes and roots you, one npc lands a bash and you died. Your entire kite was wasted and you lost a ton of exp.

Even if you did get 2-3 levels in a day or so (you didn't get it per pull, that's ludicrous) you still had the level up your skills. A bard that AE kited and did nothing else was completely worthless, would die meleeing to greens because he/she had no offense/defense skills.

There have been a lot of dumb threads recently but this takes the cake. Also I don't even agree with Aggro kiting. You realize that people used to have entire groups of wizards/enchanters who stunned/nuked mobs, right? Would you nerf them as well?

FALSE. Root didn't land on live, you would know that if you had indeed played on live.

On Live Selos also broke root with each tick, there was no risk in pvp, you cannot argue conjecture with a player who was actually there during that era. Find me a single thread that dates to 1999 on AE kiting, but I can guarantee you there isn't one.

It wasn't used until pop era. No I would not nerf enchanter AE groups because for as long as I played on this server I have yet to see one unlike the BARd AE groups I see daily.

If Enchanter/wizard AE groups became prevalent here then it might be time to nerf them, Nerf's are based on necessity, not theory. BTW it was often Enchanter/cleric groups not enchanter/wizard which is how I can tell you did not play on live, enchanter/ wizard AE groups often ended in tears.

[heartbrand]

I've heard an awful rumor that players can gain experience via the killing of mobs on p99. I hope this exploitive feature is removed ASAP for the good and health of the server.

[Syft]

I've heard an awful rumor that players can gain experience via the killing of mobs on p99. I hope this exploitive feature is removed ASAP for the good and health of the server.

Now there is an immature troll response to a logical argument.

Heres my oath:

Team Nihilum will be on top and will shit on everybody -- We will take advantage of every mechanics available to kill as many people as we can.

Killing the server before it even started.


What tactics do you think him and his right hand man tune will employ to lvl past everyone?

Syft is literally so consumed by his hatred for Nihilum that he'd nerf one of the primary reasons for playing a class just to make sure they don't get a "leg up" in any way on the new box.

If you honestly think that'll stop Nihilum from organizing day 1 and making a strong run for leaders of the box again with or without bard xp, you're beyond hope.

You sir are blinded by the tactics and dedication of the adversaries this server faces. The very stratagems your arguing for now, will lead to the death of teams99 simply so you can exploit a mechanic to lvl, that the enemy will utilize to destroy the server pop.

They aren't the only neckbeards on the server and they farmed red99 when it was dead to gain their current advantage, removing this tactic will severely slow them down and allow those who wish to resist them the chance to lvl at an equal pace. But i'm perfectly fine saying I told you so afterward, there hasn't been a single time I've been wrong yet.

[Bardalicious]

Syft you're literally retarded and nobody wants to read your tears thread on why you think bards shouldn't get to be bards because of an EQ guild that hurt your feelings.

[heartbrand]

Syft you're literally retarded and nobody wants to read your tears thread on why you think bards shouldn't get to be bards because of an EQ guild that hurt your feelings.

[Bardalicious]

Oh, and one last time before I peace out of this trainwreck of a thread:

KUNARK WILL NOT BE OPEN ON BOX RELEASE. IF YOU PLAYED LIVE YOU'D KNOW GROUPING PEOPLE FOR BARD XP IN ANY ZONE PRE-OT IS A WASTE OF FUCKING TIME.

[Syft]

Syft, from the way you type, the way you act in game and the childish pictures you post on these forums I'd say you're either of relatively low intelligence, of young age, or of a tragic combination of both.

Syft you're literally retarded and nobody wants to read your tears thread on why you think bards shouldn't get to be bards because of an EQ guild that hurt your feelings.

Oh the irony!

[Fael]

You can't low hp anyways until lvl 30+.

The only way to lvl like this pre lvl 30 is to do solo kites or have a 54+ bard snare kite for you. There will not be lvl 54 bards on this server for at least a week or two!


Dolic

[Fael]

Under youre reasoning we should nerf chardok ae while we are at it, which is just as fast 50-60 as bard duos.

[dethbringre]

Doesn't matter this go round. Here cometh the Erudite Paladin for me, gonna be rollin' through hoods.

[Potus]

FALSE. Root didn't land on live, you would know that if you had indeed played on live.

On Live Selos also broke root with each tick, there was no risk in pvp, you cannot argue conjecture with a player who was actually there during that era. Find me a single thread that dates to 1999 on AE kiting, but I can guarantee you there isn't one.

It wasn't used until pop era. No I would not nerf enchanter AE groups because for as long as I played on this server I have yet to see one unlike the BARd AE groups I see daily.

If Enchanter/wizard AE groups became prevalent here then it might be time to nerf them, Nerf's are based on necessity, not theory. BTW it was often Enchanter/cleric groups not enchanter/wizard which is how I can tell you did not play on live, enchanter/ wizard AE groups often ended in tears.

Root landed on live, especially at launch when no one had resist gear. Root didn't become worthless to cast in pvp until people got high enough to collect MR gear in every slot.

Rooting a bard for one tick will kill them because the gangbang of mobs would catch up.

Seriously, your cries for a nerf make no sense and the fact that you'd want to nerf Wiz/Enc ae groups is also equally confounding. Did you know that Enchanters and Shaman can solo things that some groups wipe on? GASP NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF.

Also duh of course there were clerics in the group, but in general it was called Enc Wiz groups by the populace. You're now just arguing semantics because your argument is garbage.

[Syft]

I think it's cute that a bunch of no name non factor's that will do nothing on server but feed nihilum kills till they join the zerg, BUT will shit up a logical thread where grown ups are talking about important stuff.

[SamwiseRed]

Everyday I see a group with Bard AE kiting, pwrlvling noobs up to 50 range, which is fine on red99. But on new server none of this BS should go down, they nerfed bard AE's to 4 targets on live because of this nonsense.

I don't want to see anyone on teams ding 20 lvls a day because they had a bard friend. Bard's can solo lvl with swarming just fine, but I don't wanna see neckbeards with 7 alt's lvl 40 day one because they happened to roll a bard.

and YES I am here to shit in everyone's cool-aid!

so its okay for bards to take up all mobs and bard kite to 60 but if they have friends in group its wrong? or you talking about low health agro kiting?

[Syft]

so its okay for bards to take up all mobs and bard kite to 60 but if they have friends in group its wrong? or you talking about low health agro kiting?

Talking about low kit argo, and like I said earlier idc about it on red99 but allowing it to happen on launch of teams99 gonna be a serious problem.

[SamwiseRed]

not many zones like that in classic, the karanas maybe lol and some dwarves in BB.

[Syft]

not many zones like that in classic, the karanas maybe lol and some dwarves in BB.

Dude there releasing with kunark what the shit are you talking about?

[SamwiseRed]

so manastones are gonna drop in kunark? they said accelerated timeline i thought (meaning classic to start)

[SamwiseRed]

i assumed it was gonna start classic, wtf YOU talking about?

[Darksinga]

Dude there releasing with kunark what the shit are you talking about?

Kunark is not releasing for at least 2-3 months after new server release... Well at least thats what the whole population wants. Did GMs state server was starting in classic and progressing? Didn't watch the entire stream.

Really no point starting in Kunark. Defeats half the classic content to be progressed through. And I want to shine in my Lambent armor;(

[Bardalicious]

Do not attempt to reason with Syft. I tried telling him 10 different times that Kunark wasn't being released out the gate.

And now he's backpedaling by saying he's talking about low hp kiting when he really just wants all bard AE kiting broken.


Nerfing argo I'm fine with BUT if the option is release new server with AE group kiting or remove AE kiting all together, I'll take the latter.

And that's how logic and common sense works, you prioritize things based on a global NOT singular view. It's impact on the server being far more damaging then it's effect upon the one class.

Can't even keep up with his own sandy vagina I guess.

And based on a global view? Do you open your own threads to re-read your own comments and pass over all the rest? Because you should see you're not getting much support in this thread. NOT singular indeed... laughable.

[Syft]

Do not attempt to reason with Syft. I tried telling him 10 different times that Kunark wasn't being released out the gate.

And now he's backpedaling by saying he's talking about low hp kiting when he really just wants all bard AE kiting broken.



Can't even keep up with his own sandy vagina I guess.

And based on a global view? Do you open your own threads to re-read your own comments and pass over all the rest? Because you should see you're not getting much support in this thread. NOT singular indeed... laughable.

Holy shit you mean i'm not getting support from the 7 other bards that posted here WOW SHOCKING!

Nerfing argo group kiting I'm fine with BUT if the option is release new server with AE group kiting or remove AE kiting all together, I'll take the latter.


Can you read engrish?

P.S. GM's still up in the air to release with kunark or not did you watch video? And wif does it matter if they do or don't wtf says Kunark is necessary to AE group kite with I was doing it in the karana's and skyrocketed groups to 35+

[Bardalicious]

Holy shit you mean i'm not getting support from the 7 other bards that posted here WOW SHOCKING!



Can you read engrish?


Everyone that disagrees in this thread is a bard as much as everyone that calls you an idiot in global ooc is an alt of Nihilum pal.

[Bardalicious]

I'd rather have both nerfed than bog the staff down trying to figure out how to fix argo issues. When they already have so much to do.

Backpedaling moran says wot?

I mean really.. how do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously when you can't even keep up with your OWN retarded arguments in your OWN retarded threads?

[Syft]

Backpedaling moran says wot?

I mean really.. how do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously when you can't even keep up with your OWN retarded arguments in your OWN retarded threads?

YES lol if the option is NERF AE kiting or release with Group AE kiting I choose nerf all AE kiting WTF don't you understand about that statement!

LOL I'll go slow for the moron. IF DEV's cannot figure out a way to release without nerfing the AE group kiting argo by time of launch I'd rather see them nerf all bard AE kiting then let neckbeards one guild control the server absolutely!

WTF would you want to lvl faster and tank the whole server just to have your guy higher lvl quicker lol must be nihilum alt only way you could possibly be that stupid.

[Agatha]

http://i.imgur.com/lJ2HX2o.jpg

[Bardalicious]

But on new server none of this BS should go down, they nerfed bard AE's to 4 targets on live because of this nonsense.

Again... show some fucking proof that this nerf was done during the era in which this server emulates.

Bind yourself right outside OT Fort, ding 30-52 in a day, yea sounds legit. Sorry but Swarm kiting is really good enough for a bard to solo to 60 faster than any other class in game.

When this became prevalent on Live they nerfed it, of course 15 years later everybody knows exactly how to do it and most toons on this server hit 60 because of it. On live 80% of the toons weren't bard lvl'd to 60.

AGAIN... fucking Kunark is not open on release, making 90% of your complaining in this thread irrelevant. Do you even know the difference between "swarm" kiting and pbae kiting? Do you understand that "SWARM" kiting doesn't even function here as it should?

Here's a great explanation of how Bard AE kiting is used now and why it was not something used in classic!

And then you proceed to link a post about LOW HP AGGRO KITING which is entirely different than standard bard AE kiting.

Again, if your argument is that LOW HP AGGRO KITING should be nerfed, I agree. But that's entirely separate from bard PBAE kiting, something that I did on live through all of Velious.

Learn to fucking read long enough to realize I'm in agreement that low hp aggro needs to be fixed before the new box releases.

I'd rather have both nerfed.

Pretty obvious that you simply want the mechanic removed all together. Either that or you don't understand that Bard AE kiting = running in circles to AE mobs whereas swarm kiting = abusing social aggressiveness of NPCs to charm one out of a group of 15, /pet attack then break charm before the whole grp kills your pet so you can finish it for xp.

Do not presume to know what the staff can and cannot handle in terms of coding. Low hp kiting could very easily be fixed if they indeed wanted it to be. Either adjust the hate generated by bard AE, adjust the hate modifier that having low HP uses, or do both.

But again.... bard kiting will be viable to 30-35ish AT MOST when this server is released. And considering how many people will be populating every single classic zone, it's going to be slow as fuck. Use some common sense, seriously.

[Syft]

Everyone that disagrees in this thread is a bard as much as everyone that calls you an idiot in global ooc is an alt of Nihilum pal.

Greego=Vap's alt
Angir=Strydur Alt
Tronz=Ababcab=Nihi app wannabe
Agatha=Nihi app
Bardlicious/Cananbis=Nihi App wannabe

But can't really call you a nihi app because your more like the guy who sucks the porn fluffer's taint to keep them horny enough to fluff the stars on set.

So basically you'd suck the taint of the guy who's sucks the dick of a nihilum app!

P.S. at no point did I confuse swarm kiting with Ae kiting you shit sucking lil rodent, I'd love for them to just remove AE group kiting since I have a bard MORON but if they can't I'd rather them remove Ae kiting all together then let you and your RL nihilum friends ding to 50 day 2.

[Bardalicious]

Greego=Vap's alt
Angir=Strydur Alt
Tronz=Ababcab=Nihi app wannabe
Agatha=Nihi app
Bardlicious/Cananbis=Nihi App wannabe

But can't really call you a nihi app because your more like the guy who sucks the porn fluffer's taint to keep them horny enough to fluff the stars on set.

So basically you'd suck the taint of the guy who's sucks the dick of a nihilum app!

Whoever called you the Alex Jones of Red99 hit the fucking nail on the head, kid. I thought Strydur had issues, but holy fuck, you're really taking the cake there princess.

[Agatha]

Whoever called you the Alex Jones of Red99 hit the fucking nail on the head, kid. I thought Strydur had issues, but holy fuck, you're really taking the cake there princess.

this a million times, he's been fucked so hard he see's nihilum everywhere. l0l

edit: he thinks im nihilum. lol.....

[Bardalicious]

this a million times, he's been fucked so hard he see's nihilum everywhere. l0l

edit: he thinks im nihilum. lol.....

agatha is my nihilum recruitment sponsor

was promised trak bp + dick pics if I joined

[Agatha]

Greego=Vap's alt
Angir=Strydur Alt
Tronz=Ababcab=Nihi app wannabe
Agatha=Nihi app
Bardlicious/Cananbis=Nihi App wannabe

.

p.s 2 of those names are me lol

[Syft]

p.s 2 of those names are me lol

SWEET knew you'd fall for that ruse damn your dumb, and everyone knows u app'd Nihi lol spy!

[Potus]

Guys I think Bard AE Kiting needs buffed.

[Potus]

Gonna roll a bard now on the new server and plevel Syft to 60 so we can purge the server of Nihilum.

[Nirgon]

low hp aggro broken atm, rape and pillage

[Syft]

Everyone that disagrees in this thread is a bard as much as everyone that calls you an idiot in global ooc is an alt of Nihilum pal.

To all my Nihi Taint Licker's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7xH72dFySg

[Edgat]

Everyday I see a group with Bard AE kiting, pwrlvling noobs up to 50 range, which is fine on red99. But on new server none of this BS should go down, they nerfed bard AE's to 4 targets on live because of this nonsense.

I don't want to see anyone on teams ding 20 lvls a day because they had a bard friend. Bard's can solo lvl with swarming just fine, but I don't wanna see neckbeards with 7 alt's lvl 40 day one because they happened to roll a bard.

and YES I am here to shit in everyone's cool-aid!

not sure if troll

they never nerfed # of bard aoe targets i bard kited well into expansion 7 or 8 on live and at some point they made it so the bard aoes only ticked if the mobs weren't moving but this was like 5 years ago on live NOT CLASSIC bard aoe dots infinite targets through any expansion this server will ever support

[Vamael]

I agree, lets all be communist to make it fair for everyone. Too bad, AoE kiting with wizards, and enchanters was the most fun i had during pve. Looks like we are gonna go back to kiting guards using pets.

[Stasis01]

I don't see any issue with this, who really fucking cares.

[Syft]

I don't see any issue with this, who really fucking cares.

You will on launch of teams99 lol

[Mittens Romney]

Pretty sure that bards AE kite was nerfed well before a team based pvp server was live. If so then it should be nerfed before our classic teams server is up.

[runlvlzero]

16 mobs =) Otherwise if a bard agros one more, DT bard and port to shadowrest with 4 hr rez timer.

Actually would be a great solution to training, and make it an interesting pvp tactics too if that was extended to all players =)

The gods have smitten you for your foolish gameplay!

Should make the lavastorm thunder sound rumble through the zone when it happesn too... and if theres a large lightening strike graphic/particle that too.

[Syft]

16 mobs =) Otherwise if a bard agros one more, DT bard and port to shadowrest with 4 hr rez timer.

that would even be fine currently bards do 100-200 and go from blue to red con's in a matter of hours.

On an established server like red99 where there already tons of 60's who really cares but on a brand new server at launch this is gonna be a serious problem.

Don't understand why everyone is pretending like it wouldn't be.

Basically the team running the most bard groups would be able to lock down the server right at the starting gates and that's something everybody doesn't seem to want but doesn't oppose the things that would stop it from happening.

[SamwiseRed]

You will on launch of teams99 lol

This server is launching classic. No place to kite even 20 mobs lol

[heartbrand]

This server is launching classic. No place to kite even 20 mobs lol

This guy clearly never heard of east or south karana.

[Absynthe2k5]

Guys I think Bard AE Kiting needs buffed.

+1

Having been laughed at for asking to group with folks a few times now, and being a new player with no "bro's" in game I say leave bards alone. What class do you play, I am sure I can find plenty of needed nerfs with other classes in game if you really wanna go that route. Besides I sat by the other night while a hi lvl druid PL'd a dood on the mobs I had been killing until he was my lvl then the two of them tried to kill me....so fuck anyone who wants to change my class.

Besides, for anyone kiting mobs all it takes is one net stutter, one cpu flutter to end your good time anyway. While some folks may think kiting is ultra easy it isn't for everyone and twisting while maybe not requiring huge skill, still takes some skill and wrecks your hands after awhile and since no one thinks that my CC/Group buffs/heals/slows/dots are worth having in a group then fuck em. After 30 i'll become a lvling god and everyone not on the bandwagon can kiss my rosy red ass.

A no named nobody feedin citizen.

Fookin Groovin

[Potus]

+1

Having been laughed at for asking to group with folks a few times now, and being a new player with no "bro's" in game I say leave bards alone. What class do you play, I am sure I can find plenty of needed nerfs with other classes in game if you really wanna go that route. Besides I sat by the other night while a hi lvl druid PL'd a dood on the mobs I had been killing until he was my lvl then the two of them tried to kill me....so fuck anyone who wants to change my class.

Besides, for anyone kiting mobs all it takes is one net stutter, one cpu flutter to end your good time anyway. While some folks may think kiting is ultra easy it isn't for everyone and twisting while maybe not requiring huge skill, still takes some skill and wrecks your hands after awhile and since no one thinks that my CC/Group buffs/heals/slows/dots are worth having in a group then fuck em. After 30 i'll become a lvling god and everyone not on the bandwagon can kiss my rosy red ass.

A no named nobody feedin citizen.

Fookin Groovin

Yeah I could make an argument to nerf any class in this game, even rangers! That's why this thread is pretty bad.

[Syft]

+1

Having been laughed at for asking to group with folks a few times now, and being a new player with no "bro's" in game I say leave bards alone. What class do you play, I am sure I can find plenty of needed nerfs with other classes in game if you really wanna go that route. Besides I sat by the other night while a hi lvl druid PL'd a dood on the mobs I had been killing until he was my lvl then the two of them tried to kill me....so fuck anyone who wants to change my class.

Besides, for anyone kiting mobs all it takes is one net stutter, one cpu flutter to end your good time anyway. While some folks may think kiting is ultra easy it isn't for everyone and twisting while maybe not requiring huge skill, still takes some skill and wrecks your hands after awhile and since no one thinks that my CC/Group buffs/heals/slows/dots are worth having in a group then fuck em. After 30 i'll become a lvling god and everyone not on the bandwagon can kiss my rosy red ass.

A no named nobody feedin citizen.

Fookin Groovin

I'm Done with this convo you all want exploit a tactic that never existed in 1999 whatever guys thx for tanking new server to be a fucking jew!

Yea I play a bard you douchebag and with AE group kite you hit lvl 45 in 1 day flat sounds legit in EQ thx

Yeah I could make an argument to nerf any class in this game, even rangers! That's why this thread is pretty bad.

Yea you could be a retard but rangers can't lvl entire groups to max fucking range in 1 day now can they lil exploiter guy

[Potus]

I'm Done with this convo you all want exploit a tactic that never existed in 1999 whatever guys thx for tanking new server to be a fucking jew!

Totally existed in 1999 hope that helps!

[Bazia]

plays bard cries for bard buffs and wizard nerfs

plays wizard cries for wizard buffs and bard nerfs

you're a fucking faggot dude

[runlvlzero]

"We don't want to force anyone to play a certain way"

Through innaction and support of a specific set of rules that favor certain play.

You force us to play a certain way.

Essentially all we are hearing over and over is:

Roll a bard or necro. Twink, and pvp at level 20, therefore griefing the population off the server.

Congratz...

Its almost impossible to enjoy this game in the state it was meant to be enjoyed because of a draconian lust for certain methods of play.

I wish you all were on the other side of the fence, wanting people to play the game as intended, in a group. The reason it was designed as such.

With a few minor exceptions, not the the extremes its being pushed now.

Continuing my rant... this game has become a solo game. The only players left on the server are solo players. Or dedicated PvE raiders who wish to run small crews of their elite powergaming pals to dominate pixel content.

Theres a few diehard pvpers left. But they mostly run a solo toon and play solo on twinks. There are random duo's/groups if your lucky, theres an influx of newbies.

All the groups I'm in are with alts of these guys who graciously accept newbs into the fold. But there aren't enough to sustain a growing population. The only new players we get are mostly the ones willing to grind the toons, and (now inflated plat since blues economy is boiling over into reds).

Teams99 will die a quick and brutal death if this is the approach we all take to gaming on it.

[Syft]

plays bard cries for bard buffs and wizard nerfs

plays wizard cries for wizard buffs and bard nerfs

you're a fucking faggot dude

Played BARD asked for highsun nerf

Played wizard asked for pillar range nerf

I m the the only guy asking for my own classes to be fair

NICE TRY!

Suck player that will never be anything on server calls me faggot

[Syft]

"We don't want to force anyone to play a certain way"

Through innaction and support of a specific set of rules that favor certain play.

You force us to play a certain way.

Essentially all we are hearing over and over is:

Roll a bard or necro. Twink, and pvp at level 20, therefore griefing the population off the server.

Congratz...

Its almost impossible to enjoy this game in the state it was meant to be enjoyed because of a draconian lust for certain methods of play.

I wish you all were on the other side of the fence, wanting people to play the game as intended, in a group. The reason it was designed as such.

With a few minor exceptions, not the the extremes its being pushed now.

Continuing my rant... this game has become a solo game. The only players left on the server are solo players. Or dedicated PvE raiders who wish to run small crews of their elite powergaming pals to dominate pixel content.

Theres a few diehard pvpers left. But they mostly run a solo toon and play solo on twinks. There are random duo's/groups if your lucky, theres an influx of newbies.

All the groups I'm in are with alts of these guys who graciously accept newbs into the fold. But there aren't enough to sustain a growing population. The only new players we get are mostly the ones willing to grind the toons, and (now inflated plat since blues economy is boiling over into reds).

Teams99 will die a quick and brutal death if this is the approach we all take to gaming on it.

Pretty much what I'm saying but they would all rather lie make nonsensical arguments and tank the server so they to can exploit the system neckbeards are gonna use to destroy server.

"why not nerf rangers"

lol you fucking kidding me if people were hitting 50 at weeks end at live EQ would come down with nerf hammer so fast would made your head spin, this aint wow guys EQ wasn't meant to hit 45 in a days work sorry go back to vanilla wow with ur BS.

[SamwiseRed]

This guy clearly never heard of east or south karana.

sk goes light blue at 39, i kited my bard there in classic. aint no body getting to 50 in the karanas unless you are kiting the 5 or 6 guards in NK?

basically im saying there isnt anything like OT and definitely not BW in classic.

[Bardalicious]

plays bard cries for bard buffs and wizard nerfs

plays wizard cries for wizard buffs and bard nerfs

you're a fucking faggot dude

Hahaha right?? how this nig expects anyone to take him seriously is beyond reasonable comprehension.

[Bardalicious]

Pretty much what I'm saying but they would all rather lie make nonsensical arguments and tank the server so they to can exploit the system neckbeards are gonna use to destroy server.

"why not nerf rangers"

lol you fucking kidding me if people were hitting 50 at weeks end at live EQ would come down with nerf hammer so fast would made your head spin, this aint wow guys EQ wasn't meant to hit 45 in a days work sorry go back to vanilla wow with ur BS.

You see, the problem is that anyone that played a bard beyond kiting in OT on red99 is easily able to call you on your whiny illogical bullshit. Sam knows what's up. And I've been saying the same thing since page 1. But you're so hungry for your own cock that you can't accept logic beyond the scope of reinforcing your own retarded agenda.

You played the easiest class to win pve with, then you rolled the easiest class to PvP with right after. You're a fucking joke dude.

P.S. still taking applications to join bard xp group on Teams99!

[Syft]

sk goes light blue at 39, i kited my bard there in classic. aint no body getting to 50 in the karanas unless you are kiting the 5 or 6 guards in NK?

basically im saying there isnt anything like OT and definitely not BW in classic.

skyrocketing to 40 and then grinding out the last 10 lvls still causes the same problem

[Syft]

You see, the problem is that anyone that played a bard beyond kiting in OT on red99 is easily able to call you on your whiny illogical bullshit. Sam knows what's up. And I've been saying the same thing since page 1. But you're so hungry for your own cock that you can't accept logic beyond the scope of reinforcing your own retarded agenda.

You played the easiest class to win pve with, then you rolled the easiest class to PvP with right after. You're a fucking joke dude.

P.S. still taking applications to join bard xp group on Teams99!

Your actually the tunnel vision retard here, using personal attacks to protect a broken mechanic that was never used in this era.

Not one reason for why it should be allowed came out of your mouth except the obvious I WANNA DO IT!

LOL you don't have trak teeth kid these insults are gonna get you killed by me and soon

[Bardalicious]

skyrocketing to 40 and then grinding out the last 10 lvls still causes the same problem

Oh shit, I thought bards were gonna be "skyrocketing" to level 60 when the server came out? Is that the sound of a retard backpedaling yet again?

Broken mechanic... lmao. That's why they left it in for like 4+ years right?

For example @ this link:
http://www.graffe.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-11078.html?

Discussions about bard AE kiting even as late as November 2003.

Even EQMac still allows bard AE kiting and they are up to PoP at least. If you had any semblance of intelligence you'd realize that bard AE xp is the best chance for casual players to stay caught up. People gonna be poopin in socks to level regardless of bards, do you plan on crying til there are /played time caps imposed on characters as well?

[Junkman]

Like I said IDC about it on red99, but if you allow for it on new teams server, people are gonna be crying about lvl 60 nihilum week 2 of server launch and you really don't want that.

I don't argue for things if they benefit me alone, but argue for the good of the server.

not sure if serious dont even need bard kite group to get 60 in 2 weeks if you play enough btw did you play a bard o wait you couldnt handle that shit

[Vamael]

you guys don't need kunark to get from 39-50 for bard kiting... DUDES GUARDS. ITS ALL GUARDS.

[Bardalicious]

You do, however, need kunark zones to make it a considerably faster process than other solo classes. Which was the premise of this thread.

[Syft]

Syft, since you are such an expert about Live servers, did you play on every server? No way you could know if people did this back in 1999, unless you played on every server all day long.

No one was doing this in 1999, I knew many bards none of them AE group kited it didn't become prevalent until planes of power error.

All bard's swarm kited back then

That's why there isn't a single shred of evidence that can be found about it until that time. If you dig deep enough about any strategy in game you will find something.

[SamwiseRed]

skyrocketing to 40 and then grinding out the last 10 lvls still causes the same problem

skyrocketing? you guys are really overestimating how much xp it is per pull. its like 8 gnolls and 12 birds. also with 1 times xp lol. nobody gonna "sky rocket" anywhere.

[SamwiseRed]

btw the birds go light blue around 34 so pretty much 35-38 you have 8 blue mobs in ek (possibly more if you can find the occasion blue roaming bird/cent)

comparing classic zones to kunark is fucking crazy. also no xp bonus was in classic.

go kite your pals to 50 in classic with 1x bonus. hehe prove me wrong.

[Stasis01]

A wizard no lifing it beat a bard using this strategy, and cast went hard.

We'll see if it's as big of an issue as u think, I don't know.

[Syft]

btw the birds go light blue around 34 so pretty much 35-38 you have 8 blue mobs in ek (possibly more if you can find the occasion blue roaming bird/cent)

comparing classic zones to kunark is fucking crazy. also no xp bonus was in classic.

go kite your pals to 50 in classic with 1x bonus. hehe prove me wrong.

I don't have to prove you wrong just gotta wait till new server drops Nihilum will do that for me, then you'll whine about death of new server while you all told me I was crying.

Short sighted morans!

[SamwiseRed]

dude you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. we have a big xp bonus here

2. max pull gonna be like 20 mobs in classic and thats pushing it xp wise. probably EK will be biggest pulls but you are talking about mobs that will only take you to 25 or so.

a pair of wizzies or druid and or mages will level alot faster.

level a bard in classic witha full group, i assure you, you wont be first to 50 nor will you even be in the first 20 people to hit level cap. not grouped anyway.

[HippoNipple]

dude you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. we have a big xp bonus here

2. max pull gonna be like 20 mobs in classic and thats pushing it xp wise. probably EK will be biggest pulls but you are talking about mobs that will only take you to 25 or so.

a pair of wizzies or druid and or mages will level alot faster.

level a bard in classic witha full group, i assure you, you wont be first to 50 nor will you even be in the first 20 people to hit level cap. not grouped anyway.

Swyft is refusing to comment on anyone talking about classic, he keeps bringing the argument to an imaginary server that is opening in Kunark era.

[Nirgon]

A wizard no lifing it beat a bard using this strategy, and cast went hard.

We'll see if it's as big of an issue as u think, I don't know.

The Coach took a big meth nap.

Tortoise and the hare nawmean.

[Syft]

dude you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. we have a big xp bonus here

2. max pull gonna be like 20 mobs in classic and thats pushing it xp wise. probably EK will be biggest pulls but you are talking about mobs that will only take you to 25 or so.

a pair of wizzies or druid and or mages will level alot faster.

level a bard in classic witha full group, i assure you, you wont be first to 50 nor will you even be in the first 20 people to hit level cap. not grouped anyway.

SK aviaks, gnolls, centaur's for 60+ mobs and farm quillmane cloaks while doing it, win win

See ya on new server smucks.

[SamwiseRed]

SK aviaks, gnolls, centaur's for 60+ mobs and farm quillmane cloaks while doing it, win win

See ya on new server smucks.

ya try that and see how far it gets ya lol

while you are kiting light blues in a group with bard xp penalty and 1x xp rate, the rest of us will be bugging naggy thru a wall. have fun :)

[Lu|z Sect]

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[Syft]

ya try that and see how far it gets ya lol

while you are kiting light blues in a group with bard xp penalty and 1x xp rate, the rest of us will be bugging naggy thru a wall. have fun :)

Nah you'll be running around like a bad cosplay elf getting slaughtered by Nihilum on one team and me on the other.

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[Bogart]

dear god

[SamwiseRed]

dont think OP has any experience on a 1x xp classic server. god help him.

[Azure]

Server will not be 1x

[Syft]

dont think OP has any experience on a 1x xp classic server. god help him.

Well we all know how much pvp exp you had on live LOL didn't know mez's landed on player's of any lvl

ive been doing some homework on this. only half an hour looking at old pvp strats from lvl 60 chanters. NONE of them mention using any other mez other than rapture. not sure if its because its so good or because the other dont work but alot of them say if you dont get rapture off to back off. no evidence yet but i dont see other mezzes being mentioned.

[Seary]

First bard to get out to SK will own the zone and be miles ahead of anyone else who comes later.

At red99 launch both Dekadenz and I were fighting over wisps in NK the first night, EK the second night, and SK later on. I won every fight and kicked him out of all the zones, even while carrying Kringe in my group the entire time :)

But yeah, one bard will rule it all. Also I have screenshots with over 70 exp messages in a single pull from SK, and it is definitely the best place to level up to Lvl 40 for a bard. The next step would be dwarves in bb to 50, it's a lot slower than SK but it's still the best route (I tried everything else, trust me).

Either way, no one posting here will be the first bard to hit the karanas - most of yall are mental midgets. And if you're the second bard, there will already be groups at your level and you will be fucked. You are either the front runner or you're not leveling in karanas and you better find different spots/groups :)

[Syft]

First bard to get out to SK will own the zone and be miles ahead of anyone else who comes later.

At red99 launch both Dekadenz and I were fighting over wisps in NK the first night, EK the second night, and SK later on. I won every fight and kicked him out of all the zones, even while carrying Kringe in my group the entire time :)

But yeah, one bard will rule it all. Also I have screenshots with over 70 exp messages in a single pull from SK, and it is definitely the best place to level up to Lvl 40 for a bard. The next step would be dwarves in bb to 50, it's a lot slower than SK but it's still the best route (I tried everything else, trust me).

Either way, no one posting here will be the first bard to hit the karanas - most of yall are mental midgets. And if you're the second bard, there will already be groups at your level and you will be fucked. You are either the front runner or you're not leveling in karanas and you better find different spots/groups :)

YES SIR! and whatever guild that bard belongs to will be able to put a stranglehold on server very easy.

Especially if training is legal holy fuck!

And anyone who thinks for a second that any other form of lvling compare's in the slightest is either trolling or a severe noob

[Potus]

1 bard

To rule them all

Replace Bards with Beastlords before it's too late, Rogean!!

[Awwalike]

ur a dip shit syft lol swarming doesn't even work on dis server.

cry harder, im gonna be 50 in 2 days on new server