Enable 2-Boxing for Team99

[Naikon]

It might have been said already, but adding two boxing along with going to a strict classic resist system are what I care about most.

1. It is my understanding that a lot of people already two box on the other 99 servers. This could relieve some of the work load off of gms to focus on other discretion's, such as 3 boxing.

2. This server will have no where near a live 1999 population. Even on early red99 with a 700ish pop and a good starting guild I could not consistently get an xp group as a rogue. The addition of 2-boxing will allow players of all classes(melee) to "solo" there way to 50. It is a necessary addition to make up for non classic population.

3. There will also be a higher population with two boxing, albeit not real players, but on a pvp server a kill is a kill. Having 2-boxing will directly lead to more pvp, that is, more kills and deaths.

I am looking forward to trying the server either way.

-Naikon

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because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.

Thanks for posting. I agree that there will be those who will be at a disadvantage from not 2-boxing. However, I feel that those people will be a select few and will continue to play on the server. Where as the people who want to 2-box and cannot will leave the server and create the red99 model all over again. 2-boxing is better for the overall health of the server.

[SamwiseRed]

boxing is retarded.

[Rec]

no box for you

[big league chew]

Naikon has been added to the list of players ill keep my good eye on

once im a GM i mean

[Swish]

Two boxing... http://i.imgur.com/TFkPdsD.gif

[Sektor]

It might have been said already, but adding two boxing along with going to a strict classic resist system are what I care about most.

1. It is my understanding that a lot of people already two box on the other 99 servers. This could relieve some of the work load off of gms to focus on other discretion's, such as 3 boxing.

2. This server will have no where near a live 1999 population. Even on early red99 with a 700ish pop and a good starting guild I could not consistently get an xp group as a rogue. The addition of 2-boxing will allow players of all classes(melee) to "solo" there way to 50. It is a necessary addition to make up for non classic population.

3. There will also be a higher population with two boxing, albeit not real players, but on a pvp server a kill is a kill. Having 2-boxing will directly lead to more pvp, that is, more kills and deaths.

I am looking forward to trying the server either way.

-Naikon

/signed

[SamwiseRed]

What are the negatives on boxing? Saying its retarded because youve never done it or cus you played a solo class like druid isnt an argument against it.

Its enabled on every other pvp emu and majority of pve emus for a reason.

because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.

[big league chew]

got my good eye on sektors too

[Swish]

If you ever were unfortunate enough to play on the Sleeper, you'd have seen how shitty widespread boxing makes the game. Adding it to a PvP setting would be even worse imo.

[heartbrand]

here's the problem with keeping two boxing illegal, the GM's have admitted they can't do shit to stop it so the only people being penalized are the ones obeying the unenforceable rules while lite/brainz and co box with impunity

[SamwiseRed]

How does it force anyone to do anything. It makes the person an easier pvp target. The only role it fills is subbing a group slot for a class thats not online or a port.

ya easier to kill 2 people instead of one, totally makes sense.

[nilbog]

here's the problem with keeping two boxing illegal, the GM's have admitted they can't do shit to stop it

Link your source.

[Swish]

Positive correlation between people wanting 2-boxing and those banned for 3rd party programs, amirite?

[heartbrand]

Zade in our TS who admitted he knows Brainz for example boxes but there's nothing he can do

[SamwiseRed]

enabling 2 boxing will kill this entire project for me. if you want classic pvp with boxing enabled goto LoZ.

[SamwiseRed]

Zade in our TS who admitted he knows Brainz for example boxes but there's nothing he can do

lul why is Zade in your teamspeak?

[Darksinga]

Even on early red99 with a 700ish pop and a good starting guild I could not consistently get an xp group as a rogue.




waiiiit what? /char delete

[heartbrand]

enabling 2 boxing will kill this entire project for me. if you want classic pvp with boxing enabled goto LoZ.

it's already enabled as tons of people box with impunity on red99

[big league chew]

not on my fuckin watch

[Nirgon]

Oh never saw this one coming

[SamwiseRed]

it's already enabled as tons of people box with impunity on red99

and some people use mq doesnt mean we should enable it. find em, report them, and ban them is all we can do. nothing will cheapin this server more than enabling 2 boxing, well that or a cash shop.

[Nirgon]

Really hard to tell if someone is boxing

[Swish]

Keep the banhammer on those banned on R99...saves a lot of work from day 1.

[heartbrand]

mq is fundamentally cheating / hacking. boxing is "classic"

does anyone honestly think Lewis isn't going to be playing on every single team @ the same time on team99? lite? brainz? come on dawgs u smarter than that

[Sektor]

Zade in our TS who admitted he knows Brainz for example boxes but there's nothing he can do

Zade always told me he didn't want to join Forces vent because he didn't want people to think their was favoritism. Loooool. Also I agree with this quote about Lite and Brainz.

[heartbrand]

To Nilbog: we got one player brainz who made his box cleric named Lunchbox with the surname Boxcleric, I mean lol?

[Swish]

Integrity of new server in doubt already.

[heartbrand]

Zade always told me he didn't want to join Forces vent because he didn't want people to think their was favoritism. Loooool. Also I agree with this quote about Lite and Brainz.

It was just to talk about some of the concerns that Nihilum had immediately after the stream and talk some of them off the roof top, many lives were saved because of the intervention

[SamwiseRed]

The people against it make 0 argument against it.

Samwise you honestly think it would be harder to kill a boxed duo than a single box?

Whats the current example of bad - sleepers? Where im sure they are allowed to MQ for box control. Yeah thats not what Naikons asking for in OP. Thats a 3rd party program.

not sure if serious but in classic, before starfire, i barely had enough mana to kill an sk. not sure how 2 targets gonna be any easier. you act like boxing takes some kind of skill. this is eq, most classes, especially casters only need to hit a couple of buttons. explain to me how killing 2 boxed mages is easier to killing one. lol.

[SamwiseRed]

It was just to talk about some of the concerns that Nihilum had immediately after the stream and talk some of them off the roof top, many lives were saved because of the intervention

can the rest of the server get this privileged GM talk?

[SamwiseRed]

if boxing is make or break

LoZ is that way ->

[heartbrand]

can the rest of the server get this privileged GM talk?

o stop being such a faggot dude nothing happened, this is the part of the server that pisses me off people crying over the dumbest shit, QQ go roleplay in a corner somewhere with the mailman who banged your wife

[big league chew]

:0

[SamwiseRed]

? whos crying? i mean post what he said, no need to go into RL attacks.

[SamwiseRed]

Sam ur nice but ur bad at pvp. So when ur fighting a 2 box mage u oor the one not being driven and root pets. While ur 2 shotting the close 1 as hes running the far 1 into range you made it a 1v1 and got a YT.

Wanna imagine how it plays out when 1 is a melee and hes trying to stick melee range on u?

i didnt ask how to kill them, im asking how its easier to kill 2 over 1. it isnt. its not rocket science. 2 bolts thru wall gonna hurt alot more than 1, and trying to get OOR of machine gun rooting pets not easy in chewies home Guk.

[Swish]

o stop being such a faggot dude nothing happened, this is the part of the server that pisses me off people crying over the dumbest shit, QQ go roleplay in a corner somewhere with the mailman who banged your wife

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/scary_popcorn.gif

[SamwiseRed]

not sure what HBs problem is. i just wanna know what Zade said to extinguish the tears and the dude goes off on RL attacks. This is why we cant have nice things. too many scums cant separate fantasy from reality.

[Sektor]

lol swish

[Naikon]

because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.


Thanks for posting. I agree that there will be those who will be at a disadvantage from not 2-boxing. However, I feel that those people will be a select few and will continue to play on the server. Where as the people who want to 2-box and cannot will leave the server and create the red99 model all over again. 2-boxing is better for the overall health of the server.

[Nirgon]

So is banning people for mq / cheating

-- this was @ HB's comment for cheating/mq being classic. This thread is going to quickly speed through Dumb Valley.

[SamwiseRed]

if everyone is for it i guess its the right thing to do. i just dont see myself playing. gonna leave this discussion before HB starts posting pictures of my kid. peace.

[Sektor]

HB looking like a big douche talking about Sams RL. Pretty sure he's one of the few people posting Jew pictures.

[heartbrand]

So is banning people for mq / cheating

-- this was @ HB's comment for cheating/mq being classic. This thread is going to quickly speed through Dumb Valley.

my comment was boxing, something never illegal on EQ Live, was classic.

[Nirgon]

So is having to pay for each..

Heartbrand

fucking

I'm out for the day, ya'll have a blessed one

[heartbrand]

So is having to pay for each..

Heartbrand

fucking

I'm out for the day, ya'll have a blessed one

That's a ridiculous analogy. If you want to go down that road then everyone banned should have to pony up another $29.99 to fire up a new account, we should have 14.4k modems, etc. Come on man keep it legit the discussion, but "classic" isn't something you can use against boxing.

[Doktoor]

The people against it make 0 argument against it.


Here's the main reason it sucks and this is what happened on the VZ/TZ server:

You'd get a solo guy rolling up attacking you with full cleric/druid buffs, he'd get owned, he'd run off at 40-60% health to the zone over where his cleric/druid were parked, get fully healed and rebuffed, and come back, then keep doing that for hours which basically kept you from doing any content.

Here's another reason it sucks and what happened on the VZ/TZ server:

Contested raid zone would have one guild on one side and another guild on the other. Second guild to get here would roll up to the ZL with main and Bot, camp the bot, initiate PvP, and as soon as they died, log on their alt and continue fighting, so you had to kill 10 people 20 times to kill them all, which is retarded.

[mostbitter]

Boxing keeps people like Trophy, who has been lfg for three days without anyone responding to him. It would be great for the server, and as someone who played on vz/tz I can attest that fighting two boxed toons when you are on one can sometimes make it easier because they will flounder very hard on whatever toon they don't consider to be dominate.

Either way Samwise is like the worst person to listen to about anything. Here's thread one about boxing and he is threatening to quit the server that isn't made. I can't believe people like him are being listened to about what is going to be good for the server and I hope it is just a fluke that he is championing this teams server nonsense.

[Naikon]

Here's the main reason it sucks and this is what happened on the VZ/TZ server:

You'd get a solo guy rolling up attacking you with full cleric/druid buffs, he'd get owned, he'd run off at 40-60% health to the zone over where his cleric/druid were parked, get fully healed and rebuffed, and come back, then keep doing that for hours which basically kept you from doing any content.

Here's another reason it sucks and what happened on the VZ/TZ server:

Contested raid zone would have one guild on one side and another guild on the other. Second guild to get here would roll up to the ZL with main and Bot, camp the bot, initiate PvP, and as soon as they died, log on their alt and continue fighting, so you had to kill 10 people 20 times to kill them all, which is retarded.

I cannot argue with anything you said. It all sounds amazing and i hope that the new server is exactly like you just described.

[mostbitter]

You know what else happened ? 10-15 people could contest the big guilds. There was no long lasting zerg guild on vz/tz because people didn't have to be so desperate for players that they would have to stay guilded with people they didn't enjoy playing with. The PVP on that box was so much more prevalent than this one because of the two boxing dynamic.

[Sektor]

Boxing keeps people like Trophy, who has been lfg for three days without anyone responding to him. It would be great for the server, and as someone who played on vz/tz I can attest that fighting two boxed toons when you are on one can sometimes make it easier because they will flounder very hard on whatever toon they don't consider to be dominate.

Either way Samwise is like the worst person to listen to about anything. Here's thread one about boxing and he is threatening to quit the server that isn't made. I can't believe people like him are being listened to about what is going to be good for the server and I hope it is just a fluke that he is championing this teams server nonsense.

good post also. Sam is a good guy but threating to not play because of a rule change makes people not take your opinion seriously.

[Dacuk]

+1 for boxing enabled. will make the misery that is leveling up less miserable.

[Biaxil]

No 2-boxing. Get a friend to play with you, if you don't want to solo.

[Fame]

No 2-boxing. Get a friend to play with you, if you don't want to solo.

[heartbrand]

No 2-boxing. Get a friend to play with you, if you don't want to solo.

yaw that strat worked well for red99, lots of "brothers" and "cousins" and "parents" playing here

[SamwiseRed]

to be fair i wouldnt play p99 blue or red if boxing was enabled either. on sz you could only make your toon on one team. nothing will stop people from boxing an alt to the other team to find people/dispel/train) the potential for grief outweight the convenience of having your own port bot. i mean there are no IP bans so there is no harm in training your own team anyway, this will just make it worse. id be more more in favor of activating the combines than enabling boxing. i think boxing will hurt grouping as much as it will benefit for those not wanting to box, GL getting into groups. its already hard to get into the various cliques on the server, will be even harder when they need noone but their box. see brainz for example, boxing helped himself and only himself.

[Naikon]

No 2-boxing. Get a friend to play with you, if you don't want to solo.

unless that friend also makes a rogue.

[SamwiseRed]

maybe if you could restrict an IP to one team but i dont see how. also the people arguing that it allows a smaller group to contest a larger one, how does this make sense if the opposition can box too. nilly players are generally more serious about this game. if you dont think itll be damn near mandatory they box, you gotta be kidding yourselves. might as well multiply nilly by 2.

unless by contest you mean raiding a mob then ya i can see that.

[ChubbyBubbles]

Played vztz. I boxed. Pretty sure everyone did. I did it mostly to load up my wizard to port my group around instead of waiting on the +/- 100 pop to possibly port us around. It was also great self buffing and being able to level up multiple toons. It was also a huge hassle anytime someone found me two boxing and having to pvp with both toons while the person I was fighting could concentrate on just the one. I could go either way on boxing really.
But honestly I doubt the higher powers that be will give us boxing, because it kills most of the 'community' that comes along with forced grouping and socialization etc.

My 2cp

[heartbrand]

maybe if you could restrict an IP to one team but i dont see how. also the people arguing that it allows a smaller group to contest a larger one, how does this make sense if the opposition can box to. nilly players are generally more serious about this game. if you dont think itll be damn near mandatory they box, you gotta be kidding yourselves. might as well multiply nilly by 2.

there's a decently sizable number of players in nihilum because there's no other option rather than because their particularly enamored by the people in the guild. boxing suddenly creates alternate options for downing big bosses, and removes the necessity of being in a large guild to do so.

[SamwiseRed]

all im asking is for an even playing field without subjecting everyone to "forced" boxing to compete. in fact i hope they go hardcore SZ ruleset. one char per IP on one team. even more + is tie that one toon to their forum account. no more spies, no more BS. everyone accountable. i know thats unrealistic and probably far from popular but thought id throw that out there since people are suggesting boxing.

boxing was classic but at the expense of precious bandwidth (til broadband was everywhere) and at the cost of a 2nd account beig payed for plus the purchase of the game and its expansions. not til late velious did i really see boxing become popular, even then it wasnt as bad as it would probably be here. maybe i was just never exposed to it but it was seldom i was aware of someone boxing until luclin +.

[heartbrand]

I'd confidently estimate 20-25% of the server will be boxing upon release regardless, so the playing field already isn't "level"

[heartbrand]

boxing the single biggest improvement possible that could be made to this server no joke over anything including resists

[Biaxil]

yaw that strat worked well for red99, lots of "brothers" and "cousins" and "parents" playing here

Luckily my wife loves MMOs. She plays with me on here, when she's not playing Darkfall.

[heartbrand]

enable boxing and you'll see competition to nihilum and a thriving server literally overnight

[HippoNipple]

all im asking is for an even playing field without subjecting everyone to "forced" boxing to compete. in fact i hope they go hardcore SZ ruleset. one char per IP on one team. even more + is tie that one toon to their forum account. no more spies, no more BS. everyone accountable. i know thats unrealistic and probably far from popular but thought id throw that out there since people are suggesting boxing.

boxing was classic but at the expense of precious bandwidth (til broadband was everywhere) and at the cost of a 2nd account beig payed for plus the purchase of the game and its expansions. not til late velious did i really see boxing become popular, even then it wasnt as bad as it would probably be here. maybe i was just never exposed to it but it was seldom i was aware of someone boxing until luclin +.

People that play by themselves will still be welcomed in groups. I think the people that wouldn't allow you in their group of 2 (boxing) would most likely be the type that is going to solo if boxing isn't enabled.

Instead of looking for a group of 3-4 to be viable you can be a viable group with just one other person. If you have 3-4 real people you can drop the boxing or just have 1-2 people boxing clerics and play the class you want. People will always choose a real person over a second box.

To the discussion about big guilds being 2x as big, it really would be a cluster to have 20 people x 2 running around pvping. The competition comes into play when you can have a 12 person guild be able to have the numbers to do a decent raid. It is fun being in a guild of your choosing with a group of players that have the same mind set as you. Boxing does help this. If you want to be in a roleplaying guild like rule of rile you can and still be viable.

To those saying boxing will hurt them because of 2v1 pvp scenarios, it is just as easy to get away from someone boxing than 1 v 1. Also, if you are attacking someone that is boxing, you can normally target the one they aren't playing and sneak up on them before they even know they are being attacked. People boxing end up getting owned pretty easy when caught off guard. Imagine a melee with a support. The attacker can wait until the melee is occupied and focus on the support for a couple seconds before they even know what hits them. By that time the melee is 0 help because the support needs to be played just to stay alive. Switching back and forth at this point is not easy and ends up hurting the boxer.

[SamwiseRed]

throw boxing on the ffa server then. just dont fuck with the teams server yet. let us thrive without boxing.

ill admit its selfish but ive wanted and asked for a teams server for 2 years now and its finally coming. to have it ruined (in my eyes) with boxing before it even starts will be really sad :(

ive yet to play on a good ruleset, do not taint this last chance for glorious teams pvp.

[Sektor]

fame was suspended for boxing. His points mean nothing.

[Sektor]

Also until the server has 700+ active members boxing is needed. Half of these people against boxing are doing it and just want any type of advantage.

[nilbog]

Boxing isn't even open for discussion as far as I'm concerned. Rogean feels the same way.

I did want to respond to the following:

"classic" isn't something you can use against boxing.

Considering like 1% of the total population from 1999-2001 multi-boxed, I believe 'it' certainly is something you can use against boxing. Yeah I'm ballparking those statistics, and if you research it, you'll come to a similar conclusion. In 1999, 0.1%, in 2000, 0.5%, and in 2001, about 1%. By 2002, broadband began fueling the majority of the internet in the US, and things drastically changed... including the bad parts of eq I personally do not want to replicate.

EQwindows was not even working until late 2000. Meaning in addition to the monthly subscription fee, you also needed a dedicated box for each instance the client because you couldn't do it on the same machine.

[Naikon]

Boxing isn't even open for discussion as far as I'm concerned. Rogean feels the same way.

I did want to respond to the following:



Considering like 1% of the total population from 1999-2001 multi-boxed, I believe 'it' certainly is something you can use against boxing. Yeah I'm ballparking those statistics, and if you research it, you'll come to a similar conclusion. In 1999, 0.1%, in 2000, 0.5%, and in 2001, about 1%. By 2002, broadband began fueling the majority of the internet in the US, and things drastically changed... including the bad parts of eq I personally do not want to replicate.

EQwindows was not even working until late 2000. Meaning in addition to the monthly subscription fee, you also needed a dedicated box for each instance the client because you couldn't do it on the same machine.

Thanks for posting. A couple years ago there was no hope for a red99, after that there was no consideration for yellow text or global ooc. Then there was no way a teams pvp server would be created. Now here we are, so it never hurts to bring it up.

[HippoNipple]

Thanks for posting. A couple years ago there was no hope for a red99, after that there was no consideration for yellow text or global ooc. Then there was no way a teams pvp server would be created. Now here we are, so it never hurts to bring it up.

The trolls eventually wear you down. There is no beating the basement dwelling trolls of project 1999 and the server will be the way we want it!! MUAHAHAHAHAH

[heartbrand]

Naikon known pal and hero, legendary point guard @ the JCC in flordia, should take his advice

[Colgate]

personally do not like boxing myself but agree that it's better for the health of the sever to allow it

[Stasis01]

Would 1 box be so bad? I boxed my warrior on TZ 51-60 in the hole with a shaman.

It makes the annoying buff classes available for raids that no one wants to play - how many shaman hate their lives buffing 40 man raids by themselves etc.

I like the idea of having buff classes as boxes - they're gay as shit to main, which usually results in a lack of them and a bunch of the fun classes standing around with their dicks in their hands.

[wrxBRAH]

If you're going to have such a stern stance on 2 boxing, you shouldn't issue out ip exceptions for any reason.

[Stasis01]

Why not have like a certain population rule - under 200 you get 1 box etc.

If we're at a high population it won't be an issue - but if it drops low it keeps things moving, and allows people stuff to do within a low population server.

People doing things and having fun = attract more people.

[Silikten]

To Nilbog: we got one player brainz who made his box cleric named Lunchbox with the surname Boxcleric, I mean lol?

To heartbrand, your whole guild boxes including you. Why so many kettles?????

[Gustoo]

Two boxing... http://i.imgur.com/TFkPdsD.gif

[runlvlzero]

I'm indifferent about 2 boxing. Would prefer it on though. Because it enables people without large networks of friends to play at off peak hours etc... with the classes they like. With the double edge sword of making sure powergamers have port bots and everything they could ever need without playing with anyone else.

It would be more acceptable if they could fix the /q issues with boxing.

Otherwise I totally respect Nilbogs stance on never allowing it.

[Swish]

Amazed this made 10 pages.

[heartbrand]

To heartbrand, your whole guild boxes including you. Why so many kettles?????

Never boxed, not even once, show a single shred of evidence I have ever boxed here and I'll stream myself deleting all my chars.

[Bogart]

Multi boxing is lame. I don't want to level a separate teleport bot and buffer.

[Vile]

2boxing ftw

[Bogart]

Bogart really doesn't want to dispel in pvp is the real problem here.

Confirmed

That's why I'm also committed to catching the dishonest multi-boxers currently plaguing r99.

[heartbrand]

That's why I'm also committed to catching the dishonest multi-boxers currently plaguing r99.

They won't, or to correct myself, are basically handcuffed from doing so because it's nearly impossible for a GM to "prove" someone is boxing here even if it's "obvious."

[Bogart]

lol bogart thinks he is catching boxers.

Join any 6 person group on the server, someone will be boxing.

It's not even a question.

woosh right over your head

[Giovanni]

To Nilbog: we got one player brainz who made his box cleric named Lunchbox with the surname Boxcleric, I mean lol?

[Dacuk]

Boxing isn't even open for discussion as far as I'm concerned. Rogean feels the same way.


Nilbog, I'm sure you've mentioned it before, but what do you see as the major cons against boxing?

Personally, I think to the many hours I've spent lfg on my sk or an hour+ waiting for a port, and realize how much more enjoyable some of my time on this server could have been had boxing been enabled.

[Aenor]

Co-sign. Boxing is classic.

[Tradesonred]

Link your source.

I wont name any names but people have been doing it for months and months and not getting caught

Hint: VPNs

Not allowing people safe trades between 2 accounts while people box a full group is just ridic

I wouldnt duo over a full group, especially not with xp bonus incentive.

Just nice to be able to port etc at 2am while theres nobody around to do it

[Supreme]

If you want to see a successful PVP server then you must allow boxing.

Not just two boxing...but as many characters as you can manage.

PVP is not for everyone. And in order for it to be fun i think that we should maximize the number of online toons that people can kill for maximum enjoyment.

[Supreme]

I wont name any names but people have been doing it for months and months and not getting caught

Hint: VPNs

Not allowing people safe trades between 2 accounts while people box a full group is just ridic

I wouldnt duo over a full group, especially not with xp bonus incentive.

Just nice to be able to port etc at 2am while theres nobody around to do it

VPNs do not work with the login server using the same computer.

Even using virtual machines have its limits with MAC cloning/spoofing.

In addition they do have log "sentries" that detect when someone logs on with two characters from the same connection.

Ultimately anyone that does two-box ends up getting caught.

[Knuckle]

because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.

play a warrior, monk, rogue as your main. No casuals can play a melee on a new server. Most players can not play a melee without being able to grind 8+ hours a day. Untill servers have 1+ year and people can twink a melee for an alt or PL shit is dumb.

[SamwiseRed]

VPNs do not work with the login server using the same computer.

Even using virtual machines have its limits with MAC cloning/spoofing.

In addition they do have log "sentries" that detect when someone logs on with two characters from the same connection.

Ultimately anyone that does two-box ends up getting caught.

damn supreme just quantified that ass.

[Fame]

Pass on boxing, with the crews rolling pre-planned+some when the actual launch date announcement comes out, there will def be a quite a few melee carried along in the process anyway. Those will probably be the same people who end up main tanking regularly ect. So it's not like progression of any sort is gonna be halted by one of you fucks pussing out and not rolling the war like you and everyone else knows ya should. Someone wants the glory. Earn it imo

[SamwiseRed]

play a warrior, monk, rogue as your main. No casuals can play a melee on a new server. Most players can not play a melee without being able to grind 8+ hours a day. Untill servers have 1+ year and people can twink a melee for an alt or PL shit is dumb.

dont think you understand the concept of teams, many years of garage boxes has dulled you to shit. funny the same people who trolled me for years when i asked about teams server are suddenly making rediculous suggestions. put boxing on red99, let the ffa server become more chaotic since that is what ffa is to begin with. dont cheapin the experience with boxing, that is all.

[Agatha]

http://i.imgur.com/lJ2HX2o.jpg

[Colgate]

those who wanna box do anyway and everyone knows it so just enable it

[Darksinga]

I like boxing but it really degrades certain classes... Like who would main a cleric when every one can 2 box one? Who will main a druid when every one can have a port bot? You say pvping two targets is easier, but not if my cleric is hidden away somewhere and I feel like being a fgt and running back to get heals until I win. Sam's example of double bolting is perfect as well... And any one can double box a wizard, double ice comet, and shablam your dead.

Now with that being said, I'd be FOR boxing if we can't keep a steady population of 400+.

Probably the best thing about boxing is that, from a server select standpoint, players are much more willing to try the server if they see 500 players when in fact its 250 2 boxing.

Raiding is also made available to even the smaller guilds via boxing.

Boxing also makes guilds stay smaller = more competition. If you get 15 people in your guild and they can all 2 box, they won't want to expand the guild any further, creating maybe 5 top guilds instead of 2.

Boxing also works from an accelerated server stand point. If we really want to catch up to Red99 then boxing may be a good idea... Raid mobs downed faster, leveling made faster, gearing made easier.

So put in boxing if we don't have an epic colossal population. If we do, keep it out.

[heartbrand]

Can't speak for others but I'd use two boxing to exp when no one is on and to help fill put exp groups when the crew is on with essential classes no one likes to play as their main.

[big league chew]

box and get banned

[heartbrand]

VPNs do not work with the login server using the same computer.

Even using virtual machines have its limits with MAC cloning/spoofing.

In addition they do have log "sentries" that detect when someone logs on with two characters from the same connection.

Ultimately anyone that does two-box ends up getting caught.

Lite/brainz/chuck/tunak/badger have been boxing for over a year and a half. I'm sure there's plenty of others as well who box constantly, I'm just not privy to it. When amelinda was around it seemed like boxers such as the Ruthbader crew and Lewis and others got the ban hammer pretty fast. Now it seems no one does.

[Stasis01]

Pro's of boxing

- Stranded without ports to get to groups

- groups not having the necessary support classes ench/clerics

- lack of people willing to play the boring PVP classes

- I have seen at least 10 people box right infront of me, quoting no one does anything about it anyway

- Smaller crews can do content

Cons of boxing

- Top guild could pad serious numbers

- Everyone is max buffed for pvp

- People would feel forced to box possibly

- Would take group spots away from team members, hurting the community design we're trying to implement



I would say put it in Red99 as a trial and see if it brings people in, my theory is red99 is beyond fucked and no one has fun playing there regardless of being able to solo PVE content.

Red99 has no community anyway, so at the very least it would allow new players to level up characters on red99? I don't know, nothing can really save that shit hole at this point. On teams I am on the fence about boxing, but I do know insta plugging with IP exemptions, as well as people boxing while someone else is home incase Zade or Sirken show up, they can just say the guy is in the bathroom and call him over for the test.

IP Exemptions are a really sticky issue considering the advantages that people get from boxing, I am computer illiterate I am not a super nerd, therefore I don't even try the VPN/IP block shit - but I see a lot of people boxing and it creates an unfair advantage, while some melees cannot find groups and just give up.

[Stasis01]

I mean in theory I could get an IP exemption (my wife is a stay at home mom) so when I'm boxing I could just say hey come over here and run around space bar is jump do what he wants etc and there's no way they can prove it isn't a legit player.

I hate the entire situation - and after seeing rally/tune exploit the fuck out of insta camps, all of it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

It's a good feature that the real hardcore losers can exploit, ohwell.

[heartbrand]

Even if you don't put in boxing for team99 consider it for red99. I played on loz and at no time did I feel obligated to box to have fun even if others were. I just used a Druid bot occasionally for ports and would log it off after.

[Elderan]

Even if you don't put in boxing for team99 consider it for red99. I played on loz and at no time did I feel obligated to box to have fun even if others were. I just used a Druid bot occasionally for ports and would log it off after.

We of course know people 2box all the time. However making it acceptable would change the dynamic of the server for the worse. People would not stop at 2 boxing, they would 6 box in some cases. Raids would turn terrible as everyone would bring their 2box druid/shaman etc.

I was the original two boxer in EQ. No one did it before me, but I cannot support it anymore as it cheapens the game and makes it a lot less fun.

[Stasis01]

Elderan is OG everquest, hard as fuck.

[Stasis01]

It made me laugh IRL, and not with him.

[Elderan]

It made me laugh IRL, and not with him.

My experience gives me a unique perspective on the situation.

[Stasis01]

I am not saying ur not credible, just it sounded like a black rapper or something.

[Elderan]

I am not saying ur not credible, just it sounded like a black rapper or something.

If I were to rap it would most likely look something like those people in Whiteboyz.

[nilbog]

after seeing rally/tune exploit the fuck out of insta camps, all of it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.


Can people PM me any and all information they have about how to exploit ip exemptions/instant camp? I'll make a consolidated report for Rogean and we'll go from there.

[Nirgon]

We showed it to Sirken already bro, did he not send you anything? :/

Hughman even gave him a private showing in a vent channel, with full Q&A.

[nilbog]

We showed it to Sirken already bro, did he not send you anything? :/

Hughman even gave him a private showing in a vent channel, with full Q&A.

Sirken isn't a developer. I also received some reports about it a while back. I want more information so I can give Rogean more information about it.

[Elderan]

We showed it to Sirken already bro, did he not send you anything? :/

Hughman even gave him a private showing in a vent channel, with full Q&A.

Is he talking about the instant poof using ip exemption or the /exit and poofing 30 seconds even while in pvp combat?

[Andis]

yes, its the instant poof

if a player has an IP exemption, he can have the other account loaded

when the cheater wants to instantly poof (cuz hes about to get stomped) he either hits enter world or enters the server (forgot which one)

Nihilum use this quite often, in fact saw couple do it from Andis just last week

[Elderan]

yes, its the instant poof

if a player has an IP exemption, he can have the other account loaded

when the cheater wants to instantly poof (cuz hes about to get stomped) he either hits enter world or enters the server (forgot which one)

Nihilum use this quite often, in fact saw couple do it from Andis just last week

Not just Nihilum though. Since I don't fight Nihilum obviously I cannot say who does or does not in Nihilum.

However I have seen this about 25% of the time when fighting opposition. Azrael was terrible for it, Hresy seems to do it less at least from the new blood Heresy guys not those old Classic ones.

[Nirgon]

No its the instant poof I'm sure you guys use when you pull aggro or there's a train etc.

It's not just used in PvP.

Like when Fallen (Tune) would train fear on us, poof, and res you guys.

How's that pop doing lately? Heard about the teams server? Oof.

IMO no merge, keep teams clean of dirty red pixels.

[Elderan]

No its the instant poof I'm sure you guys use when you pull aggro or there's a train etc.

It's not just used in PvP.

Like when Fallen (Tune) would train fear on us, poof, and res you guys.

How's that pop doing lately? Heard about the teams server? Oof.

IMO no merge, keep teams clean of dirty red pixels.

We use FD to get rid of a train.

You guys won this trolling round.

Lost R99 and since you cannot compete in game you took to forum questing and to try and take revenge on Nihilum you had them kill R99.

Don't worry my friends and I will see you on T99.

[Nirgon]

You guys won this trolling round.


I took a minute to help you out here. I'm not sure your taste in fashion but... I gathered what I could based on reading your little doodles on here..

http://www.helmetzoo.com/assets/images/Ladybug.jpg

http://www.lib-tech.com/files/2012/07/1314-Lib-Tech-Lib-Logo-Helmet-Red.png

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4d765b9fccd1d5106b070000-480/image.jpg

https://www.link.com/media/gallery/Link_AHMD_Helmet_2.jpg

http://www.valiantarms.com/medieval-armor-images/imperial-roman-helmet-8112.jpg


But out of all of them, this one just screams "Eldermoran" to me:
http://content.animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/img_2_1352905449_helmet_02.jpeg

And remember, proper usage:
http://www.twowheelingtots.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bicycle-helmet-proper-usage.jpeg

Good luck in your quest. Please don't fire Nilbog.

[Elderan]

I took a minute to help you out here. I'm not sure your taste in fashion but... I gathered what I could based on reading your little doodles on here..

Good luck in your quest. Please don't fire Nilbog.

Nirgon likes to try misdirection because he cannot invalidate my points without using what is equivalent to a 5 year olds argument.

Keep trying, one day you might make a valid point.

[Nirgon]

Maybe some more of my invalid points will get patched into your server. Sorry the ones offered in this thread do not please you, Lord Helmet. Please don't flush me out the air lock.

[Zuranthium]

NO BOXING.

This is also a huge reason why the new SZ 99 server needs to have no rules (in terms of in-game play): because the GM's should be solely focusing on fixing bugs and suspending people who are trying to box/hack.

[HippoNipple]

You can't tell if people are boxing. I still say to this day that Kilkur/Brea were boxing when I saw them in game because they played so bad, but people stand behind them saying they were always two different people.

All they say is brea is bad and it takes her 20 seconds to move forward or take any action. It has seemed to hold up since they are both signed up for BoTB, no bans.

[Lu|z Sect]

http://blurbrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mailman.jpg

[Syft]

I'll give one reason why boxing is stupid

THIS GUY!
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/503/same3.jpg

AKA Sam Deathwalker, came at you in a shimmering wave of wizards and one shot draughted/lured suck players all night and day on sullon zek.

Wont be long till someone is rocking a similar setup and people are getting dual Sunstriked by Siamese wizard twins.

Lotta people here suffer from tunnelvision looking at things in the microcosm and not macrocosm.

Like YEA I'll lvl faster if I can dual box, and not "I just fucking died"

"how dude"

"Double sunstriked WTF!"

[HippoNipple]

I'll give one reason why boxing is stupid

THIS GUY!
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/503/same3.jpg

AKA Sam Deathwalker, came at you in a shimmering wave of wizards and one shot draughted/lured suck players all night and day on sullon zek.

Wont be long till someone is rocking a similar setup and people are getting dual Sunstriked by Siamese wizard twins.

Lotta people here suffer from tunnelvision looking at things in the microcosm and not macrocosm.

Like YEA I'll lvl faster if I can dual box, and not "I just fucking died"

"how dude"

"Double sunstriked WTF!"

People are always boxing on the current server, have you ever been double sunstriked?

[heartbrand]

Ah, the good ol slippery slope argument that is the foundation of the American criminal law system. Sure it's only a joint but tomorrow it might be blow and a bank robbery with a double homocide.

[Syft]

NO BOXING.

This is also a huge reason why the new SZ 99 server needs to have no rules (in terms of in-game play): because the GM's should be solely focusing on fixing bugs and suspending people who are trying to box/hack.

Do you have any idea what a clusterfuck that will be?

So your neutral team is doing chardok when all of a sudden a monk on your team runs the entire zone past you and feign deaths.

But ya see he's not really on your team he's on Evil team and his raid was waiting to enter outside and they do after you'll all wiped and good fucking luck getting those bodies back!

Not being able to roll another team once you picked a side on Sullon and having to pay an additional monthly fee to do this stopped some of the dumbshitery. But here

Bring on da Trainz

[heartbrand]

Not being able to roll another team won't work because you can just use a different IP address how will they ever enforce that unless you're retarded? It worked on live because you needed to buy another copy of eq and pay another sub.

[Elderan]

The server needs rules, if R99 has taught us anything it is the class of people who plan on playing on T99 most defiantly need rules...

[Syft]

Ah, the good ol slippery slope argument that is the foundation of the American criminal law system. Sure it's only a joint but tomorrow it might be blow and a bank robbery with a double homocide.

This isn't a court of law fuckwit it's an extremely exploitable game, you can be used as an example of HOW shit like this can't be allowed.

They allowed soulfire's to be used without equip, figuring who would be a big enough fag to farm these on a regular basis and blow an entire one to win TNF's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BduXioFL-yE

That's why all angles of a subject must be reviewed because the exploiters like yourself ruin it for everyone else.

[Syft]

Not being able to roll another team won't work because you can just use a different IP address how will they ever enforce that unless you're retarded? It worked on live because you needed to buy another copy of eq and pay another sub.

I'm saying training can't be made legal fuckwad, or fags like you will pull shit like that all day.

[Stasis01]

I wasn't trying to create a Nihilum vs others with the insta poofing.

I believe it was commonly used with Nihilum, and not Holocaust - because Nihilum played blue and knew about it, and Amelinda didn't really care for whatever reason.

Fallen a cleric, has had trains on him in fear and insta poofed - that's a huge advantage for breaking fear, and winning planar PVP.

Emumu has used it tons in the Sol B naggy days, it's rough when you burn down one of their heavy hitters, and have him insta poof at 20% or whatever and be right back in when it's convenient.

I am sure non Nihilum use it, and Holo probably wished they thought of it - but it's just a greasey bug that is basically insta camping macroquest ability.

I don't know the coding or specifically how it works as I don't have an IP exemption - but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to figure out, as said before having a second window open and logging in kicking ur other guy out of the world or some shit.

It has had significant effects in the past like the fear cleric resing scenario - but ultimately the same would have happened server wise, and really isn't a big deal other than it should be fixed for teams99 hopefully.

[Colgate]

Sorry the ones offered in this thread do not please you, Lord Helmet. Please don't flush me out the air lock.

chuckled

love that movie

[Darksinga]

Fallen a cleric, has had trains on him in fear and insta poofed - that's a huge advantage for breaking fear, and winning planar PVP.



Insta poof at North Wall. Cha chiiiing. Requesting IP exemption, my brother just moved in town..

[Elderan]

I wasn't trying to create a Nihilum vs others with the insta poofing.

I believe it was commonly used with Nihilum, and not Holocaust - because Nihilum played blue and knew about it, and Amelinda didn't really care for whatever reason.

Fallen a cleric, has had trains on him in fear and insta poofed - that's a huge advantage for breaking fear, and winning planar PVP.

Emumu has used it tons in the Sol B naggy days, it's rough when you burn down one of their heavy hitters, and have him insta poof at 20% or whatever and be right back in when it's convenient.

I am sure non Nihilum use it, and Holo probably wished they thought of it - but it's just a greasey bug that is basically insta camping macroquest ability.

I don't know the coding or specifically how it works as I don't have an IP exemption - but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to figure out, as said before having a second window open and logging in kicking ur other guy out of the world or some shit.

It has had significant effects in the past like the fear cleric resing scenario - but ultimately the same would have happened server wise, and really isn't a big deal other than it should be fixed for teams99 hopefully.

This should be an easy fix really. Just need to change the connection check for existing char logged in and take out when IP exemption is enabled. The user should get char is already logged in and have to wait the full timeout period.

This isnt just a problem on Red, it is used a lot on blue to pull as well.

[Nirgon]

Did Lovely leave because he got dominated or was he scared of me coming up in them levels without sploits

[Vile]

pras

[Nirgon]

95% of all raid targets yo

Might be 99.79 or 97.79 not sure.

[proaero]

tard

because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.


"because it forces everyone to box"

LOL

Ed

[SamwiseRed]

Doesn't take a genius to know fighting 2 chars is harder than fighting one

[Lu|z Sect]

Mailman 2 boxes. Get on his level.

[heartbrand]

Mailman 2 boxes. Get on his level.

Spit the gefilte fish out of my mouth on that one

[phacemeltar]

this is the most pointless thread.

[Loto]

Zade BROADCASTS - 'Boxing will get you EFFED in the AY. And my job is to check out that AY.'

Seems pretty final.

[Bogart]

this is the most pointless thread.

Banning 40% of the box for multi-boxing doesn't sound pointless to me.

[joel.popick]

No 2-boxing. Get a friend to play with you, if you don't want to solo.

I got my wife who loves me very much to play eq with me to level 2.5.

So close!

[gotrocks]

because it forces everyone to box to be on the same level. if i wanted to box id play live or some shit. one of the main attractions here is no boxing. also druid is one of many alts so not sure if serious. ive probably taken the boat more than most since i know how annoying it is to bother druids for ports.

this. I really have no interest in boxing two characters. But i'd have to in order to compete. So instead I just wouldn't play. I think you'd see a ton of people with this attitude.

I could be wrong, but its likely a very vocal minority that wants two boxing. It's not something i've been actively trying to talk to people about, though.