EQEMU Terrorists Sirken/Zade time to put your dicks down

[Stasis01]

100% I'm not helping random people who arent in my guild just cuz they're on my "team" and if ur on my team and camping something I want I'm going to train u or x team to get it


This behavior should be dealt with an iron fist, in game obviously - maybe he's all talk.

Or maybe these are the bitter scum, that should be governed by some PNP - well thought out rules of limiting the amount of bullshit they can pull.

- Same team training.

- Spamming OOC with racial slurs/insults all day

- Guild VS Guild LNS calling - where the losing guild may get their gear and leave the zone for 2 hours or some shit

- General common sense to over the top griefing aka training / training mobs on afk people, same team dispelling ETC.

[heartbrand]

Yes, what red99 needs is more judgment calls by GM's on matters of player self governance, you got it bro.

[runlvlzero]

I think a rule that we may only use nice posative uplifting speech only would be fun for awhile. I would probably get banned within 24 hrs though. But I would try it if the law was applied equally to all.

[SamwiseRed]

griefers gonna grief, this is in every game.

[Vexenu]

heartbrand is not a bad guy he's a hero in training. Just wait. He's working off the bitterness he's accumulated from too much Red.

[Colgate]

i will grief

[JayN]

*grabs his dick* this should get good!

[Syft]

look at this. want play nice rules now. maybe on ur way out with ur equipment we can SUCK YOUR FUCKING DICK YOU FAGGOT.

DO NOT SPEAK BAD ABOUT THE EMPEROR. YOU ARE WARNED.

I've been warned by GM's for saying something actually funny in ooc. Yet I get trak toothed or wanded by 60 Nihilum and hear shit like this spammed in ooc for hours.

Dropping the N bomb, literally spamming faggot, and that's not to mention the wall of text hate tells I receive.

Don't know why I'm being warned and they get away with this shit.

[Dullah]

Teams exist to encourage assisting each other, not to lord over the way people play the game.

I'm not one for griefing but some people need to stop imposing their anti-pvp mentality on players who like FFA pvp.

At the same time there actually needs to be measures in place to prevent players from exploiting the whole teams system when it comes down to contested spawns and raiding. Training someone who can't fight back shouldn't be allowed. The whole idea that someone can wrong you and you can't vindicate yourself is the reason why teams sucks, but I digress. Over small things like dungeon spawns, players will have to just learn to get along. Its the bed you made, now lie in it.

That said, people are always going to use their team protection against other players, especially those who are trying to raid. We desperately need to have raid zones go FFA when raid mobs are up because I already know the degenerates of this server will take characters protected by faction, impervious to pvp, and train, dispel or otherwise disrupt raids.

Theres no way I'd spend a minute on a server where I know the scum of this server can just waltz in and fuck with our raids without us able to do anything about it. That goes for pof/poh/poa solb/perma/seb/kc when raid targets are up. Gotta go FFA in those situations, or its just going to be a recipe for disaster and a giant headache for the staff.

[Smedy]

no amount of code can change dicks from being dicks

hardcoded teams will do nothing but create more lulzy grief scenarios, can't wait to see what you guys can come up with

[Sirken]

This behavior should be dealt with an iron fist, in game obviously - maybe he's all talk.

Or maybe these are the bitter scum, that should be governed by some PNP - well thought out rules of limiting the amount of bullshit they can pull.

- Same team training.

- Spamming OOC with racial slurs/insults all day

- Guild VS Guild LNS calling - where the losing guild may get their gear and leave the zone for 2 hours or some shit

- General common sense to over the top griefing aka training / training mobs on afk people, same team dispelling ETC.

im curious, how exactly are Sirken and Zade to blame fir what HB says?

[Dullah]

Can already tell you how this will play out.

People will roll toons on same team as Nihilum just to spy/disrupt/grief them. Few months later, servers will be merged and Nihilum will split up their arsenal of alts between two teams, allowing them to defend themselves against would-be griefers on the same team as Nihilum proper.

Nihilum wins.

Cant fight the neckbeard.

[Agatha]

Cant fight the neckbeard.

this a million times, no matter how many times i tell everyone. everquest, CLASSIC EVERQUEST, was never how good you were at pvp, it was about who zerged the hardest and who socked the longest.

Everquest was never fair, no matter what server we are on pals if you dont have a leadership/core that socks just as hard or more then nihilums core, you simply wont be able to compete.

Nihilum has proven very stable and very competent. They will be moving onto the new server with everything pre organized, who's playing what class, what group is going to be were, and when. They are already talking about this stuff, meanwhile the remainder of us are talking without our krews of 3, 6 people max, about what we are going to be doing.

we already lost the new box and it hasn't even been released.

Edit: i find it hilarious people actually think just because they are getting a "new start, or a fair shake" that they have any chance at taking the new server from nihilum. not happening. but good job crying hard enough to get a new server. The amount of grief this has caused nihilum is a win, and the only win you are going to get.

[Silikten]

Well, AGATHA, I FIND IT HILARIOUS that people focus so much on nihilum and end up raging and not having fun rather than enjoying the game for what it is. EVERQUEST.

L2havefun. Makes this GAME a whole lot easier to play.

[Syft]

this a million times, no matter how many times i tell everyone. everquest, CLASSIC EVERQUEST, was never how good you were at pvp, it was about who zerged the hardest and who socked the longest.

Everquest was never fair, no matter what server we are on pals if you dont have a leadership/core that socks just as hard or more then nihilums core, you simply wont be able to compete.

Nihilum has proven very stable and very competent. They will be moving onto the new server with everything pre organized, who's playing what class, what group is going to be were, and when. They are already talking about this stuff, meanwhile the remainder of us are talking without our krews of 3, 6 people max, about what we are going to be doing.

we already lost the new box and it hasn't even been released.

Many of the Nihilum here were Ruin on sullon zek, they got beaten by Darkenbane in many pvp engagements and Darkenbane was number 1 on pvp leaderboards with 10x the amount of points Ruin had. Darkenbane disbanded the guild and it took 3 years for Ruin to beat them in points!

They always controlled best spawns and had best gear and many of their players got banned for hacks(sound familiar).

When they tried to use egg shaped pumices with vendor recharge. Sony nerfed it!

The difference here No NERFS and DEV's and GM's letting trak teeth, soulfires and wands used on da regular by them!

Take away the clicks you take away their iron grip on the server leave it and your handing them the win by BS mechanics!

[Agatha]

Well, AGATHA, I FIND IT HILARIOUS that people focus so much on nihilum and end up raging and not having fun rather than enjoying the game for what it is. EVERQUEST.

L2havefun. Makes this GAME a whole lot easier to play.

exactly why i don't understand why we need a new server? why can't people have fun here? whats the point of the new server.

[runlvlzero]

No one to play with here. No groups, no mid game, no leveling. Just burnt out people in Nihilum and an opposition that is more busy and intersted in griefing bluebies in unrest then pvping Nihilum or red people at 50+

A lot hope a bigger population and more incentive will bring in some bluebies to the red community and bring some team players that supposedly want to play teams.

But it is boring to have aspirations of 'griefing heartbrand' off the box. i dont have a lot of motivation to go kill him.

Ide prefer more sportsmanship like conduct from my opponents to make them worth my time.

For me EQ pvp is much more than a deathmatch. Yet it seems this server has been corrupted beyond player agency mattering. Social constructs die in game because of bad calls and bad sportsmanship.

I like the box, red is better, then blue, i'll play here till it dies, i'll give a teams server a chance if theres a glimmer of hope for that more organized social experience that EQ was/is.

[Sirken]

whats the point of the new server.

to test a different rule-set in the name of science and see if it retains players like Blue99, or hemorrhages players like some other servers.

play on the server u like the best, or play on all of them, or play on two of them. it's all up to you. we arent retarded, we understand that a new server will attract people based solely on the fact its a new server and not so much the rule-set. so we will have to take all that into consideration. but most important thing in my opinion will be player feedback.

[Aenor]

to test a different rule-set in the name of science and see if it retains players like Blue99, or hemorrhages players like some other servers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ULMDV4HUi60/TGCgJjk-RvI/AAAAAAAABgs/-G3D64qGN34/s400/Untitled.jpg

Also I think OP was asking you to table ahem other activities and address the emu terrorism of known terrorists such as shekel man.

[abacab-winner]

I've been warned by GM's for saying something actually funny in ooc. Yet I get trak toothed or wanded by 60 Nihilum and hear shit like this spammed in ooc for hours.

Dropping the N bomb, literally spamming faggot, and that's not to mention the wall of text hate tells I receive.

Don't know why I'm being warned and they get away with this shit.

http://i44.tinypic.com/m7uu0i.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

Well, AGATHA, I FIND IT HILARIOUS that people focus so much on nihilum and end up raging and not having fun rather than enjoying the game for what it is. EVERQUEST.

L2havefun. Makes this GAME a whole lot easier to play.

this is why i like teams, to me it changes the 'end game.' its not about getting BIS, its about defending your territory and assulting the enemys. people will are more likely to pvp over idealogy than loots.

[Aenor]

People are more likely to pvp over idealogy than loots.

[Stasis01]

im curious, how exactly are Sirken and Zade to blame fir what HB says?

That is not what I'm saying Sirken.

I am saying that the new box should be built on a foundation of acting decent, and fun competition.

Examples are Guild VS Guild FORCED LnS LIKE 3.0 (I believe you created this rule? Or you were at least around.)

Not allowing people to spam RL attacks/racist jokes.

If people spam the same GM'S are corrupt, burn it down, ETC ETC get rid of them - we don't need that crowd here.

I am saying changing the general attitude on this server where people can be held accountable for their actions.

Having Nihilum roll up and corpse camp heresy's low 50's hate trash raid is unacceptable - If they wanted hate they could take it, and Heresy would be forced to leave.

They took it a step further, they killed us in hate, than went to the guild bind spot and literally camped them off the box. This was the only guild left in range to 60 on the box - you can't just allow people to act how they want, or it will turn into the same low population shit hole that it is now.

Solo PVP, people can just log off and wait it out - on a guild scale, corpse camping entire guilds - especially when the strength advantage is so one sided is just bad for the server.

Make some calls that piss people off - BANNING Holocaust was the right thing to do, we walled naggy twice in two weeks, we knew it was stupid.

Make Nihilum accountable to let losing guilds scoot, or whoevers on top - let people have a fun raid vs raid PVP where people can say good fight and the losers walk out.

I am not saying you need to get involved in every aspect of PVP - but don't feel guilty to get your hands dirty with the usual suspects this box pal - you have my support, and I hope you take a more proactive roll with fun competition/attitude of people on the box.

If people don't want to play here - give them a helping hand out the door. Probably a lot of repeated shit here I just mashed my keyboard gotta run.

[Zereh]

Finally, a post with some truth in it. All the talk about a new server has very little to do with making something for everyone to enjoy, it's really about trying to find some rules to hide behind so you can theoretically "stick it to Nihilum". They'll thrive no matter where you throw them - while the rest of you unorganized angries will end up in the exact same spot you're in now.

[Syft]

http://i44.tinypic.com/m7uu0i.jpg

LMFAO you spammed me walls of text BS for HOURS my replies were nothing compared to the immature madness you were sending me! And those screenshots are doctored BS.

Your actually more immature than the nilihlum and that's a bold ass statement!

[Absynthe2k5]

You folks seem to think that just cause you can fight back it stops someone from ruining your whole raid.

I like FFA it is no different to teams. You create a team just by joining a guild. No matter what rules you adopt the only thing that can stop a butthurt dipshit from training your raid is a GM. The only thing that can stop a dood from griefing you over and over if you happen to afk for whatever reason is a bunch of friends or a GM.

Over moderation of a game makes things bad, but a kick in the arse when your being a retard keeps things well oiled and chugging along. This is why the world has police because ther is always some dipshit waiting to piss in your cherios and kick your dog while your not looking.

[Absynthe2k5]

Many of the Nihilum here were Ruin on sullon zek, they got beaten by Darkenbane in many pvp engagements and Darkenbane was number 1 on pvp leaderboards with 10x the amount of points Ruin had. Darkenbane disbanded the guild and it took 3 years for Ruin to beat them in points!

They always controlled best spawns and had best gear and many of their players got banned for hacks(sound familiar).

When they tried to use egg shaped pumices with vendor recharge. Sony nerfed it!

The difference here No NERFS and DEV's and GM's letting trak teeth, soulfires and wands used on da regular by them!

Take away the clicks you take away their iron grip on the server leave it and your handing them the win by BS mechanics!

As much as everyone seems to hate you Syft you speak the truth about SZ. +1

Dunno about these clickies but if the small groups think that is what is keeping them down why not go through a trial on red99 making them unusable and see what happens? Anyone who is really good at pvp surely wouldn't object right? (consumables win pvp btw, not always about gear)

[Absynthe2k5]

no amount of code can change dicks from being dicks

hardcoded teams will do nothing but create more lulzy grief scenarios, can't wait to see what you guys can come up with

Have to agree with you there. +1

[Absynthe2k5]

This behavior should be dealt with an iron fist, in game obviously - maybe he's all talk.

Or maybe these are the bitter scum, that should be governed by some PNP - well thought out rules of limiting the amount of bullshit they can pull.

- Same team training.

- Spamming OOC with racial slurs/insults all day

- Guild VS Guild LNS calling - where the losing guild may get their gear and leave the zone for 2 hours or some shit

- General common sense to over the top griefing aka training / training mobs on afk people, same team dispelling ETC.

+1 agree 120%.

Unfortunately you can't expect people to come to the server when you got doods free basing oxy on a tinypic cam linked into ooc. People calling everyone "n" and acting as if they are some supreme bad arse gansta in a pixel box. Some of us are in law enforcement or have been and if you choose to snort your life away or racially attack folks that is your choice but do it elsewhere theres a whole bunch of servers on wow where everyone acts just like you.

You want to foster growth then some measure of honor and respect is needed. Over the top griefing, training and general common sense is really needed. Act a bit nicer you might get 30 more kills a day cause more folks are playing.

[Stasis01]

This will take everyone.

[heartbrand]

Finally, a post with some truth in it. All the talk about a new server has very little to do with making something for everyone to enjoy, it's really about trying to find some rules to hide behind so you can theoretically "stick it to Nihilum". They'll thrive no matter where you throw them - while the rest of you unorganized angries will end up in the exact same spot you're in now.

Yikes. Spoken like someone who has only played on one side.

[Xantille]

i will grief

[Zereh]

Yikes. Spoken like someone who has only played on one side.

Life definitely existed before R99. Don't assume. <3

[SamwiseRed]

Before red99 there was real life

[Nizzarr]

As much as everyone seems to hate you Syft you speak the truth about SZ. +1

Dunno about these clickies but if the small groups think that is what is keeping them down why not go through a trial on red99 making them unusable and see what happens? Anyone who is really good at pvp surely wouldn't object right? (consumables win pvp btw, not always about gear)

Ruin dominated pvp whenever it happened. I'm not sure what engagement that we lost to the newts? would you like to tell us that story again? I sure missed it! The only victory neutrals had over Ruin was when KEKE died in skyshrine and you guys camped his corpse for 3 days straight.

Sure darkenbane had more points after a year, surely wasnt because the fact evil were 60% of the server and newts had a big target pool? naw cant be that for sure mang!

[JayN]

why waste money on a box for a pop with less then 100 people, they should be spending time and effort on the majority of the player base not the minority....


Unless of course they are being compensated financially methinks.

[Syft]

Ruin dominated pvp whenever it happened. I'm not sure what engagement that we lost to the newts? would you like to tell us that story again? I sure missed it! The only victory neutrals had over Ruin was when KEKE died in skyshrine and you guys camped his corpse for 3 days straight.

Sure darkenbane had more points after a year, surely wasnt because the fact evil were 60% of the server and newts had a big target pool? naw cant be that for sure mang!

A year Guild was disbanded for 3 years before Ruin beat them in points, How about the time we killed Kirban in Netherbian Liar and corpse camped him jacyllne, cattylnne, macken till they had to bring in entire raid forCE to get their bodies back FROM 4 LVL 52'S. I guess when you say dominated you mean the engagements where you outnumbered us 5x1, Because every time we had even numbers you guys got your shit broke.

How about the time I wasted Kirban in Overthere 1v1 when I was 52 and he was 60?

how about the time we killed you in Iceclad?

Care to comment?

FACTS ARE ALWAYS MORE FUN THAN MEMORIES!

[nabsev]

Ruin zerged pvp.

[runlvlzero]

Finally, a post with some truth in it. All the talk about a new server has very little to do with making something for everyone to enjoy, it's really about trying to find some rules to hide behind so you can theoretically "stick it to Nihilum". They'll thrive no matter where you throw them - while the rest of you unorganized angries will end up in the exact same spot you're in now.

Bullshit. Theres like 4 people who pretend to talk big but never do a damn thing, and most of them are IN Nihilum. Heartbrand being a HUGE #1 proponent just to be a smartass. I don't think he is genuinely dedicated to griefing the box.

You got your mortal enemies on the box right now Rexx DEFENDING your fucking position.

YOU ARE A FUCKING GODAMN GOON. Zereh. Fuck you.

Also I heard from credible people IN Nihilum RIGHT NOW. that you guys cheat and hack. so all Nihilum credibility out the window as of last night AFAIK. They are afraid to give me evidence. Fearing for their lives afraid.

Serenity was better than Nihilum in every way, but you two guilds were sisters and very much alike. In that ya'll need to be victims to maintain your positions. Got to keep that all seeing eye of sauron turned away from you. If I was a GM on this box Ide be watching everys ingle one of you on multiple Gm accounts. Ide have a wall of monitors just for you.

There is plenty "probable cause" to justify that much attention at this point. You would get what you were asking for from me.

[heartbrand]

I disagree w/ plenty of what Nihilum does @ times, but no1 is hacking or cheating, at least @ a raid/guild level. If some random app or someone hacks on his own I have no idea, it's a big guild, there's bad apples everywhere.

[runlvlzero]

I disagree w/ plenty of what Nihilum does @ times, but no1 is hacking or cheating, at least @ a raid/guild level. If some random app or someone hacks on his own I have no idea, it's a big guild, there's bad apples everywhere.

Maybe its not hacking but its funny this guy refuses to tell me what is going on in /tells or anywhere I can "record it".

Either way I'de probably watch the top competitors the most still, ide be crazy watchin everything. And I'de randomly cycle through players on a few windows.

http://i.imgur.com/yBhiTri.jpg

[Danien]

Bullshit. Theres like 4 people who pretend to talk big but never do a damn thing, and most of them are IN Nihilum. Heartbrand being a HUGE #1 proponent just to be a smartass. I don't think he is genuinely dedicated to griefing the box.

You got your mortal enemies on the box right now Rexx DEFENDING your fucking position.

YOU ARE A FUCKING GODAMN GOON. Zereh. Fuck you.

Also I heard from credible people IN Nihilum RIGHT NOW. that you guys cheat and hack. so all Nihilum credibility out the window as of last night AFAIK. They are afraid to give me evidence. Fearing for their lives afraid.

Serenity was better than Nihilum in every way, but you two guilds were sisters and very much alike. In that ya'll need to be victims to maintain your positions. Got to keep that all seeing eye of sauron turned away from you. If I was a GM on this box Ide be watching everys ingle one of you on multiple Gm accounts. Ide have a wall of monitors just for you.

There is plenty "probable cause" to justify that much attention at this point. You would get what you were asking for from me.

Speaking as someone who have been playing with all parties and have very bad standing with nihilum (me being Roggeh) I'd have to say the exploit/cheat/general abuse chart would look something like

Azrael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nihilum >>>>>>>>>>>> Force

That being said I don't think there are a large number of people dedicated to the destruction of the box, though it will have its fair share of griefers.

[Azure]

No institutions on this box have a clean whistle I'll give you that. Many players do. Depending on your definition of clean whistle. Only a few have Chewie's level of cleanliness.

[Bogart]

This guy is using the word terrorist for someone playing a video game in a way he doesn't agree with. I'm going to try to help this person.

Dear Stasis,
the only rules in a game are the actual rules, not some imagined unspoken subjective idea of how you think it should play out. In a competition, as long as no one is breaking objective rules, then it's fair game.

With this realization you'll probably start thinking up a million rules, because you're probably pretty much a stalinist. Many of your desired rules will fall into two categories.
1 subjective
2 unenforceable

[Stasis01]

I'll slap you in the mouth with my dick.

[Bogart]

Getting angry is ok some times. But I want you to know I care about your ability to think critically and constructively. If people couldn't think critically, we'd probably have a bunch of people running in circles repeating the same mistakes again and again and again, like hard coded teams on a pvp mmo. That is a world I don't want to live in.

[Lu|z Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/UL38NuW.gif

[Syft]

Bullshit. Theres like 4 people who pretend to talk big but never do a damn thing, and most of them are IN Nihilum. Heartbrand being a HUGE #1 proponent just to be a smartass. I don't think he is genuinely dedicated to griefing the box.

You got your mortal enemies on the box right now Rexx DEFENDING your fucking position.

YOU ARE A FUCKING GODAMN GOON. Zereh. Fuck you.

Also I heard from credible people IN Nihilum RIGHT NOW. that you guys cheat and hack. so all Nihilum credibility out the window as of last night AFAIK. They are afraid to give me evidence. Fearing for their lives afraid.

Serenity was better than Nihilum in every way, but you two guilds were sisters and very much alike. In that ya'll need to be victims to maintain your positions. Got to keep that all seeing eye of sauron turned away from you. If I was a GM on this box Ide be watching everys ingle one of you on multiple Gm accounts. Ide have a wall of monitors just for you.

There is plenty "probable cause" to justify that much attention at this point. You would get what you were asking for from me.

How long have I been saying this, after 15 years of MMO's I know immediately when someone is hacking!

I disagree w/ plenty of what Nihilum does @ times, but no1 is hacking or cheating, at least @ a raid/guild level. If some random app or someone hacks on his own I have no idea, it's a big guild, there's bad apples everywhere.

LOL either your ignorant as fuck, or guilty yourself, because the shit I see is too damned blatant to ignore.

Dude's running at Bard speed with no bard on zone in, guys porting with no porter, finding people with no track in area's you'd have to be a damned psychic to find!
Appearing in zones the minute the AC spawns!

Finding people in the world over in over again that are set on anon in zones that have been dead for hour's, asking people there "has anyone come thru this zone", "Nah man I been here for hours" but 5 mins after I zone in Nihilum!

Able to bug mobs that you need to have code info to do! List goes on and on, can't imagine how someone could be in guild with people and not see it!

[heartbrand]

^ folks we got a moran on our hands

[Stasis01]

Syft is really weird, you should have heard him in vent - kids got downs/rage issues.

I don't know what the kids deal is.

As to Bogart I don't know what you want me to say, red99's state since creation has made me want to puke, so I guess I don't agree with your opinion?

[Bazia]

was sitting on nek wiz port and freez randomly came in by himself

he was immediately pooped on, but yeah was weird there was no porter or other people around

[Nizzarr]

How long have I been saying this, after 15 years of MMO's I know immediately when someone is hacking!



LOL either your ignorant as fuck, or guilty yourself, because the shit I see is too damned blatant to ignore.

Dude's running at Bard speed with no bard on zone in, guys porting with no porter, finding people with no track in area's you'd have to be a damned psychic to find!
Appearing in zones the minute the AC spawns!

Finding people in the world over in over again that are set on anon in zones that have been dead for hour's, asking people there "has anyone come thru this zone", "Nah man I been here for hours" but 5 mins after I zone in Nihilum!

Able to bug mobs that you need to have code info to do! List goes on and on, can't imagine how someone could be in guild with people and not see it!

no wonder we have such low population, we let these retards spew random bullshit on forums with no consequences.

I find it amusing myself, but for new players or random newcomers, they might be turned off by this kind of behavior.

[Lu|z Sect]

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[runlvlzero]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m02743rsRx1qb73tpo1_500.gif

Free Kimm!

[Stasis01]

no wonder we have such low population, we let these retards spew random bullshit on forums with no consequences.

I find it amusing myself, but for new players or random newcomers, they might be turned off by this kind of behavior.

The way you handle the #1 spot, and treat the rest of the server turns a lot of people off also.

I've seen a lot of #1 guilds, but Nihilum really takes it to another level of ego/immersion.

[Vamael]

I hate to say it but now its just gonna be like Tallon zek hahha. HB has the right mentality. I trained my own team for camps. I like FFA better, because you can attack them.

[Vamael]

KELDORN OHHHH BOI. INC TRAIN. OHHH SHITT.

[Edgat]

Having Nihilum roll up and corpse camp heresy's low 50's hate trash raid is unacceptable - If they wanted hate they could take it, and Heresy would be forced to leave.

They took it a step further, they killed us in hate, than went to the guild bind spot and literally camped them off the box. This was the only guild left in range to 60 on the box - you can't just allow people to act how they want, or it will turn into the same low population shit hole that it is now.


First of all they died to trash mobs in hate right before we ported up so we didnt get any kills (maybe 1 or 2)? Then we ported around and found them and got a first kill on most of them. Second does your hipocrisy know no bounds? 3 out of my 4 or 5 deaths to you have been me naked at my bind spot after dying to another player or a raid boss.

Stop being a hipocrite pvp is gonna happen

[Sektor]

KELDORN OHHHH BOI. INC TRAIN. OHHH SHITT.

LOL I remember Keldorn

[quido]

Stick Tune (Nihilum) in a 7000x7000 open zone and he can find the one person in it within 40 seconds every time.

He's just good.

[Stasis01]

First of all they died to trash mobs in hate right before we ported up so we didnt get any kills (maybe 1 or 2)? Then we ported around and found them and got a first kill on most of them. Second does your hipocrisy know no bounds? 3 out of my 4 or 5 deaths to you have been me naked at my bind spot after dying to another player or a raid boss.

Stop being a hipocrite pvp is gonna happen

You left people in Hate to CC, and then some went to Neriak to kill nakeds - I am not part of Rexx's crew, I was just trying to help the only non Nihilum guild do minor shit like seb groups or planar trash, while also finishing up 59 on my mage, or coming on my rogue.

I have seen how you guys act towards a group of people that has done nothing to you, and has a MASSIVE gear/level disadvantage (Knuckle is 53, Rexx is 55) - you guys are a large part of why this box sucks, people need to smarten up if we want the new box to attract a higher population, people on all sides.

If you are Nihilum core crew this post won't matter - but if you're on the fence about what you stand for as a guild, and what you're doing to the server, just don't help Nizzar ruin the new box like he did this one.

I would like for all Nihilum to drop their tags a few weeks to see how they get treated, and how the average member acts - but that's unrealistic. But if you notice what's going on, and don't have your head stuck in the sand - just don't be part of the machine that will ruin the box when it starts, just do your own thing and find a different crew.

Nizzar has lead the box to this state - they have been #1 since they beat Holo, look what they've done with it, no one wants to play here.

[heartbrand]

If there were no nihilum on this box, the box would be single digit pop. The competition has like 20 trak teeth and they have one single VP key to show for it. This box is what it is for a lot of reasons that we've rehashed over and over, but the main pop drop happened way before nihilum ever cemented itself as number one forever.

[Stasis01]

If you believe that, than there is no hope for you.

[heartbrand]

So you're claiming in fact the pop hadn't already dropped to the low 100's before the holo ban? You think if there were no nihilum the opposition would farm a dead box endlessly? No, the blue people who come here and app for a shot at pixels would simply never roll here.

[Labanen]

Might not have been before we cemented ourselves as no1, but it was definately before the holo ban, which actually for a few weeks raised the pop alittle. Before the days of single digits on euro time happened.

Since those days the minimum count is up about eight to ten times higher to be between 35-55 on euro time. Still very few of course, so although i am very unsure if the T99 is a good idea, its great to see that the people behind are putting in an effort, and who knows it might work once they merge the two pvp servers and release velious.

[Nirgon]

We really need a completely no rules server like SZ.

Who can cry favoritism then? heh.

[heartbrand]

The presumption seems to be that if only there weren't nihilum there'd be multiple guilds all contesting nightly, but from my experience on EQ Emu, I don't believe that would be the case at all. There would be another nihilum, though admittedly not nearly as devoted, that would take their place. Hopefully team99 fixes this, we'll see.

[Nirgon]

Stick Holocaust on a server where they're allowed to get away with everything Nihilum did.

:cool:

[heartbrand]

Holocaust got away with plenty, how many times did Donkee/Scowl/Slathar/Titanuk/Me train newbs with impunity on box? People only remember the bad, holo ban, and forget the rest.

[Nirgon]

I care about Titanuk training orc pawns trust me

[heartbrand]

Donkee trained spectres in oasis on newbs for months and months, which do you think truly had a bigger impact on server, all those people who quit griefed off, or the holo ban which actually raised pop?

[heartbrand]

People forget pop went UP when holo got banned and went down after it was undone.

[Elderan]

Its funny how bad most of these suggestions are for the new box. Most of these are coming from people with motives which are not inline with getting people to play and others are from people who have little experience in what makes a successful box.

Don't focus on raids so much. Keep the non raid people happy and you will have a nicely populated box. Blue is a great example of that.

[Nirgon]

Okay Donkee got away with training specs (and was reported)

How about training fear/FGs and using IP exemption exploit to drop it in a raid?

We counting training someone's raid the same as some moron training specs in oasis?

[SamwiseRed]

Holocaust got away with plenty, how many times did Donkee/Scowl/Slathar/Titanuk/Me train newbs with impunity on box? People only remember the bad, holo ban, and forget the rest.

donkee was a frequent offender.

[Elderan]

Okay Donkee got away with training specs (and was reported)

How about training fear/FGs and using IP exemption exploit to drop it in a raid?

We counting training someone's raid the same as some moron training specs in oasis?

I think we can agree with one thing. Training is going to be rampant on the new server. We know this because the same scumbags who played and quit playing on R99 are going to be on the new server.

The sad part is some people who unintentionally train will get suspended with the people who do it intentionally.

[Nirgon]

I'm not getting sucked into the moran vortex splitting hairs. We've beaten the horse to death. I'm just saying... what I said:

Stick Holocaust on a server where they're allowed to get away with everything Nihilum did.

[Doktoor]

If training and whatnot are not explicitly against the rules like they were on Vallon and Tallon live, then the server will just be another SZ grief fest reincarnation that hemorrhages players shortly after launch, just like SZ did.

The rule wont totally prevent it, but it'll cut it down and make the server playable for people who wont tolerate being trained repeatedly. And the worst offenders eventually get caught and banned, which discourages wholesale douchebaggery.