i personally can't wait for teams

[Colgate]

because of all the griefing potential it opens up

box gonna be dead faster than red99 was

[Tradesonred]

I might just join the grief em off the box team this time around so as to prevent any more people from wasting their time on these boxes

[Rec]

You guys are truly hardcore

[Fame]

Yo, grandmaster funk, although outspoken I always thought ya were kinda classy. What gives? I'd hate to think ya finally cracked under all the pressure to be the best. But something has changed man, I've been reading your posts for about a year and a half and from the outside looking in.. HB status dawg. Be the champion we deserve

[runlvlzero]

Yo, grandmaster funk, although outspoken I always thought ya were kinda classy. What gives? I'd hate to think ya finally cracked under all the pressure to be the best. But something has changed man, I've been reading your posts for about a year and a half and from the outside looking in.. HB status dawg. Be the champion we deserve

I haven't been reading. But I detect high levels of stress and adrenaline fueling this person. Takes one to know one. I mean. Colgate (Fame I quoted you for your wise words).

[Bazia]

gonna grief cuz ruleset so stupid

them levels 8s gonna get 1 rounded by my double attack dog

[Vexenu]

Judging by all the crying on the forum from the Red players over the Teams announcement, they're the ones most likely to get griefed off the new box.

[Tradesonred]

Judging by all the crying on the forum from the Red players over the Teams announcement, they're the ones most likely to get griefed off the new box.

I used to be like you, all innocent like and providing feedback to the devs. This could make things a whole lot better, surely they will listen?

[Rec]

Definitely can't wait for teams

[Godefroi]

I will be part of this shit and watch it die within 3 weeks.

[Colgate]

Yo, grandmaster funk, although outspoken I always thought ya were kinda classy. What gives? I'd hate to think ya finally cracked under all the pressure to be the best. But something has changed man, I've been reading your posts for about a year and a half and from the outside looking in.. HB status dawg. Be the champion we deserve

?

wut

i have always been the "box sucks burn it down" kind of person @ red99

[Pudge]

i think teams can be done in a way that can curb most of the grief.

just need to implement some protections.

1) can't dispel ppl on your own team if you not grouped
2) can't dispel a mob if someone from your own team already has debuffs on it
3) no training
4) same team spies standing at naggy going "huehue hue" might be trickier-- perhaps "FFA zones" could be FFA even for ppl on your own team..........? or just certain AREAS in a zone? (just flag an area within the zone an "arena")

[mendan]

they don't even get resists right on the current server... and you think they will be able to implement a new server with even more coding issues required...

this is just a smoke screen while they delay velious for another 2 years...

[Something'Witty]

they don't even get resists right on the current server... and you think they will be able to implement a new server with even more coding issues required...

^^^

[Itap]

will play

[Xantille]

team trainquest?

[nilbog]

because of all the griefing potential it opens up

box gonna be dead faster than red99 was

This type of attitude is one of the reasons r99 has a lower population than it should. Or, if you claim to be trolling, you should create your troll threads in rants and flames.

they don't even get resists right on the current server... and you think they will be able to implement a new server with even more coding issues required...

this is just a smoke screen while they delay velious for another 2 years...

Specifically mentioned the following:

-Getting at least one more developer to solely work on pvp-related code issues. Right now, you have zero
-It has nothing to do with Velious development because Velious development is content-related.

^^^

Following the piper.



Moved to rants and flames. You fuckers need to at least argue constructively.

[Bazia]

love nilbog thanks for attention bro

[Pitborn]

It's been an un-official Teams server for a while now with Nihilum vs everyone else, but there can't be any more excuses when everyone starts from scratch again.

If the same shit happens , you should never again doubt the resolve of neckbeard pixel whores.

Viva la resistance

[SamwiseRed]

This type of attitude is one of the reasons r99 has a lower population than it should. Or, if you claim to be trolling, you should create your troll threads in rants and flames.



Specifically mentioned the following:

-Getting at least one more developer to solely work on pvp-related code issues. Right now, you have zero
-It has nothing to do with Velious development because Velious development is content-related.



Following the piper.



Moved to rants and flames. You fuckers need to at least argue constructively.

See sig, nilbog has spoken u peons

[Silikten]

I agree with nilbog! Too many self proclaimed griefers/idiots that sit here complaining about problems that they create. The only problem is you. People who claim they will grief need to be treated the same way, by the whole server. This way, they have zero friends and zero things to do once they log in.

[Something'Witty]

Specifically mentioned the following:

-Getting at least one more developer to solely work on pvp-related code issues. Right now, you have zero
-It has nothing to do with Velious development because Velious development is content-related.

All I am saying is the idea of a new PvP server seems overly ambitious considering the issues the current PvP server has. I really hope the new Dev works out and is given the freedom to fix the problems associated with PvP on red99, I really do.

[nilbog]

I agree with nilbog! Too many self proclaimed griefers/idiots that sit here complaining about problems that they create. The only problem is you. People who claim they will grief need to be treated the same way, by the whole server. This way, they have zero friends and zero things to do once they log in.

Many of the pvp members are in a perpetual state of self-loathing.. and that's been a problem since the inception of red99. They can NOT be happy. Mostly posting negativity and doubt to discourage people that read the forums from playing. For those reading: if that's not your intention, that's the outcome, you fucking idiots. A non-productive slow troll.

You have the chance for a new server, and I encourage you not to screw it up before it's opened.

All I am saying is the idea of a new PvP server seems overly ambitious considering the issues the current PvP server has. I really hope the new Dev works out and is given the freedom to fix the problems associated with PvP on red99, I really do.

I specifically said that's what the pvp developer would be doing; working on pvp issues.

[Stasis01]

It is a small minority of extremely bitter players Nilbog - just get rid of them.

That and force guild vs guild to have a mandatory LNS policy, if the losing guild leader calls it.

You can add on more common sense rules - make this project fun and the people who constantly spam racial slurs/ruin the fun of the game for others, just get rid of them.

Keep it in a realm of PVP - and have GM's get rid of the small % of the population that just trains non stop/corpse camps/vocalizing the negatives of the box.

It needs to be a partnership with the players and the GM's to make this work.

[abacab-winner]

It is a small minority of extremely bitter players Nilbog - just get rid of them.

That and force guild vs guild to have a mandatory LNS policy, if the losing guild leader calls it.

You can add on more common sense rules - make this project fun and the people who constantly spam racial slurs/ruin the fun of the game for others, just get rid of them.

Keep it in a realm of PVP - and have GM's get rid of the small % of the population that just trains non stop/corpse camps/vocalizing the negatives of the box.

It needs to be a partnership with the players and the GM's to make this work.

Lord Stasis, what will we do about the plugging? and the AI killing?

http://i56.tinypic.com/vyo9zm.jpg

[Stasis01]

I don't remember that, but I didn't really take Altergate too seriously, for obvious reasons.

[Syft]

Many of the pvp members are in a perpetual state of self-loathing.. and that's been a problem since the inception of red99. They can NOT be happy. Mostly posting negativity and doubt to discourage people that read the forums from playing. For those reading: if that's not your intention, that's the outcome, you fucking idiots. A non-productive slow troll.

You have the chance for a new server, and I encourage you not to screw it up before it's opened.



I specifically said that's what the pvp developer would be doing; working on pvp issues.

Your right it's not the fact that we get trak toothed 4 times a week and watch people with vp gear greif lowbs and blow wands on guys 8 lvl's lower.

Where do you think our poor attitude comes from?

[Colgate]

This type of attitude is one of the reasons r99 has a lower population than it should. Or, if you claim to be trolling, you should create your troll threads in rants and flames.

wait, you mean the population is low because i'm pointing out the obvious flaws in the proposed ruleset and not because rogean peaced out day 1 without fixing things like guard assist, without banning people who are posting screenshots gloating about exploiting red wood wands, without banning people who post screenshots of nagafen dead in a wall with 14 level 30s, and then to return to ban another guild that did the same thing, followed by another year and a half of being MIA with a plethora of broken things like mage bolts, earth pets, highsun, infinite range pillars, spam root til you win pvp, 18 second tstaffs, 78 second rogue blinds, and banning people for stripping accounts while others like nizzar get off even when proven by GMs to have done it?

oh okay, got it

[Stasis01]

Need to let go pal and move on - this can't be healthy for u.

[nilbog]

wait, you mean the population is low because i'm pointing out the obvious flaws in the proposed ruleset and not because rogean peaced out day 1 without fixing things like guard assist, without banning people who are posting screenshots gloating about exploiting red wood wands, without banning people who post screenshots of nagafen dead in a wall with 14 level 30s, and then to return to ban another guild that did the same thing, followed by another year and a half of being MIA with a plethora of broken things like mage bolts, earth pets, highsun, infinite range pillars, spam root til you win pvp, 18 second tstaffs, 78 second rogue blinds, and banning people for stripping accounts while others like nizzar get off even when proven by GMs to have done it?

oh okay, got it

If you think rhetorical threads like this aren't negative and that negativity isn't bad for the server, then you're wrong. Posting a wall of bugs doesn't change that. It's a logical fallacy of trying to support your reason for being negative. Don't make troll threads in server chat from now on.

[Labanen]

Need to let go pal and move on - this can't be healthy for u.^

[heartbrand]

http://i.imgur.com/qYgPg5v.gif

[Syft]

If you think rhetorical threads like this aren't negative and that negativity isn't bad for the server, then you're wrong. Posting a wall of bugs doesn't change that. It's a logical fallacy of trying to support your reason for being negative. Don't make troll threads in server chat from now on.

Well it may be some trolling but a lot of what he's saying has some truth to it!

True posting bugs doesn't help solve the things but isn't that where dev's come in?

I heard you guys say in pvp discussions that Nihilum controls the server like 30 times, but nothing has been done on GM's or Dev's part to stop them from doing so?

Can't you see how exploiting instant click items like soulfire's, traks teeth, wands etc etc can allow anyone to control a server?

There's been hundreds of threads posted on this topic and not one has a GM or DEV responded to, is that you guys don't see how this could allow a guild to dominate in pvp or you just don't believe us that this is happening as frequently as it is?

Not to mention that they've literally been caught hacking more than any guild I've seen on Rallos or Sullon and just roll back in on alt's like cockroaches.

All of these things have left a very sour taste in player's mouths, and when the staff refuses to even acknowledge it a lot of the realistic player's who face it daily wonder how it's not gonna happen again in the future.

[Potus]

because of all the griefing potential it opens up

box gonna be dead faster than red99 was

Such as? Please explain.

[Labanen]

I heard you guys say in pvp discussions that Nihilum controls the server like 30 times, but nothing has been done on GM's or Dev's part to stop them from doing so?wait, what ?

[Stasis01]

Holocaust's plan was to grief everyone into submission.

While the Holo crew wouldn't keep doing content like Nihilum, allowing other groups to have their chance once we had our share, unlike the real weirdo no lifers.

We still helped set up the mentality of the server, and now we have a fresh start - we know what doesn't work, so let's try to put that behind us and focus on the new box and doing what is required to make it fun for a broader audience.

If you're that angry that you can't let go the shit we have gone through - just don't play man.

This isn't aimed at Colgate specifically - but the entire mentality of the skilled players who lost, it sucks, I get it, but Holo is heavily to blame also.

[SamwiseRed]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=dqsD5aJ5w9sV7M&tbnid=Z8fWz8dQ68qckM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tumblr.com%2Ftagged%2Fkazaam&ei=GRwlUr_aO7O_2QXSzYCICQ&bvm=bv.51495398,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNEb2J7Mf0IdD2c0QvGRbcTNKb_5mw&ust=1378250061758522

[Colgate]

If you think rhetorical threads like this aren't negative and that negativity isn't bad for the server, then you're wrong. Posting a wall of bugs doesn't change that. It's a logical fallacy of trying to support your reason for being negative. Don't make troll threads in server chat from now on.

there would be no negativity from me if not for the aforementioned reasons as to why the server has low population

threads like this seem to be the only way to get your attention, or at least a response

you want to know why there is so much negativity and so many "trolls"? it's because the staff never owns up to their mistakes. it seems like anybody who volunteers to be put in this "god" position of babysitting middle aged men addicted to 15 year old elf simulators is only doing it because of a massive ego

[Stasis01]

The reason the raid fights are stallfests, is because the attitude is so serious - and people want the other side to quit.

If people knew that after the loss, people would say good fight - maybe hit you with a res, or at least let you get your shti and be gone, we probably wouldn't have the 2 hr stallfests at zoneline's scared to make a move, unless the actual tactic is to take an advantageous spot and stall them out ofc.

Pvp should be a fun thing, and some drama should come - but this shit is weird, this box feels awkward, and way too serious.

[Labanen]

Thing works both ways, why would anyone put in hours of work to cater a bunch of sad egocentric whiners ? We as a community would stand a lot better chances of getting the bugs fixes by creating a less hostile community.

[Stasis01]

there would be no negativity from me if not for the aforementioned reasons as to why the server has low population

threads like this seem to be the only way to get your attention, or at least a response

you want to know why there is so much negativity and so many "trolls"? it's because the staff never owns up to their mistakes. it seems like anybody who volunteers to be put in this "god" position of babysitting middle aged men addicted to 15 year old elf simulators is only doing it because of a massive ego

This in itself is a troll.

Creating a new teams server is a fresh start, having a dev placed on resists.

Global OOC, EXP bonus (should be group), YT, recharging, T staffs.

I don't see how they could do more for improving the box - giving a fresh start, improving the areas people complain about, and you still won't be happy.

The desired result of this troll is further doubt the abilities of the GM/Dev crew - don't respond to it, just get rid of these type of people. I respect Cwall and his abilities, but he clearly hates the Dev/GM staff and won't change on that idea - so just do it bro's and man the fuck up.

[heartbrand]

Thing works both ways, why would anyone put in hours of work to cater a bunch of sad egocentric whiners ? We as a community would stand a lot better chances of getting the bugs fixes by creating a less hostile community.

Thats just inaccurate. Go back to the dev posts from the summer of 2011 before this server was launched. People like lethdar and other now forum "trolls" being positive, enthused, and helpful. People are "trolls" and "whiners" now because of what has happened here.

[Stasis01]

Holocaust was unbanned like a week or two after the naggy walling - because Rogean listened and got the whole story, everyone acts like it's this big conspiracy.

He just wasn't paying attention for X amount of time, Amelinda may have been sweeping it under the rug, she gave him the video and we got the standard response.

When hearing the whole story holo received a suspension and unban - to say they were still unhappy with our exploiting.

I doubt Rogean pulled the plug for Nihilum as they said in the video he can summon gear, what's the point, he could summon plat and sell it- why would he need a crew of no lifers to farm this plat from items, to RMT for a small cut.

He would be making tons of plat and just RMTing what he needs if that's the point. No one can know how much plat is on the box.

[Labanen]

Well, that did give us the server too...

[Stasis01]

PS Amelinda was fired, how would that happen.

[Colgate]

This in itself is a troll.

fuk

he clearly hates the Dev/GM staff

i don't hate them; i just think they're insanely egotistical

[Syft]

If you think rhetorical threads like this aren't negative and that negativity isn't bad for the server, then you're wrong. Posting a wall of bugs doesn't change that. It's a logical fallacy of trying to support your reason for being negative. Don't make troll threads in server chat from now on.

How come everytime someone brings up the abuse of click items and blatant hacking by Nihilum DEV's and GM's suddenly go mute?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=98343,filename=i_cant_hear_you.gif

It's only been 9 months of these threads with zero response

[heartbrand]

I've been forum questing here in the trenches for a while now. People didn't just start going to forums saying "fuck rogean" "fuck null" "server is shit" randomly one day. It started with questions / polls etc. Threads with null where we were told he was "looking into it" promises that staff were discussing it with null etc., only to find out from null himself in naikon vent that he had peaced out months ago and wasn't working on shit. Things like server rules being promised that never happened, amelindas infamous ask a question for the staff that never went anywhere and then the next one and then sirkens one etc. The players got the middle finger a lot of times here.

You don't think I realize this is free and a volunteer project? Of course I do. It's why you'll never see me upset about velious not being out or what not, it's a free project. What does piss me off is when people in power lie or bullshit rather than just being honest and sharing things like "sorry we just aren't spending time on red99 ATM guys" or "null isn't on staff position is open" why lead us on and bs? Even with the stream, which was good and showed a renewed willingness to look at eq pvp, seemed to have some "fu moments" that just seem so unnecessary. I was accidentally suspended once and a certain unnamed staff member (not Sirken) told me I fucking deserved it for " whining" about being randomly suspended for no reason. It's the hall monitor attitude shit that drives people crazy.

I have the utmost respect for you nilbog, you run a eq emu project with your own dollars at the expense of your own time. And to be fair it's not really you that 99% of frustration is directed at. All we ask for as players on this free project is honesty and mutual respect.

Shrug my two cents

[heartbrand]

And to add, yes there are some complete fags who just go full retard about staff, I do get that, but I think the majority of posters here were at least at one point in time pretty reasonable people.

I do hope the new server is a success and it is exciting and I do appreciate you're doing anything at all.

[nilbog]

How come everytime someone brings up the abuse of click items and blatant hacking by Nihilum DEV's and GM's suddenly go mute?



It's only been 9 months of these threads with zero response

You're blind and deaf then. I've been the main one trying to change things; you're complaining to the wrong person. If you slander the development team, I will certainly ban you though. Highly recommend you cease that stupid shit.

I've addressed all of the mentioned bugs as far as I know. I am also trying very hard to get new pvp developers. Clickies, I made it a point to address in the meeting, so you didn't listen or you're wasting my time. Regarding the 'blatant hacking', take it up with your GMs.

I'm the only 'egotistical staff'(lol?) that responded to this thread. If I see more of the same threads in server chat, I'll "hall monitor" ban the fuck out the posters. That seems to be what people want, so they can subsequently complain about it.

[abacab-winner]

You're blind and deaf then. I've been the main one trying to change things; you're complaining to the wrong person. If you slander the development team, I will certainly ban you though. Highly recommend you cease that stupid shit.

I've addressed all of the mentioned bugs as far as I know. I am also trying very hard to get new pvp developers. Clickies, I made it a point to address in the meeting, so you didn't listen or you're wasting my time. Regarding the 'blatant hacking', take it up with your GMs.

I'm the only 'egotistical staff'(lol?) that responded to this thread. If I see more of the same threads in server chat, I'll "hall monitor" ban the fuck out the posters. That seems to be what people want, so they can subsequently complain about it.

Dude, just ban them every time they troll; no mercy get this shit under control.

[mtb tripper]

thats ballshat

[heartbrand]

I feel that at times the staff treats anyone who disagrees as a "troll". Trolls are people like Cast/Kimm and yes even my pal Slathar [who would be honored with that title]. Not every post that disagrees with staff is a troll. Dunno, a lot of staff just always seem super on edge / defensive, and I get that there's plenty of retards out there on boards, and making dumb petitions and the whole nine yards, believe me I work in an industry where I deal with complete retards 24/7 who say all sorts of obscenities to me, but I just shrug it off / ignore them. Here a lot of the time they get responded to and the "good' posters are 'punished' for their sins.

I'm prolly already pushing the forum ban line even with that, which to me is a pretty honest and non-offensive, post. I wouldn't have donated to this server if I "hated" the staff or was a "troll." I care about the server, prolly way 2 much, yaw def too much, and so I and a lot of others have strong opinions. Anyways, it's good 2 see people care about red, it's good to see dev involvement, I hope the server is a big hit.

[heartbrand]

I was pretty against the idea of the server at first, but the more I've let it sink in, the more fun I think it's going to be.

[runlvlzero]

I feel that at times the staff treats anyone who disagrees as a "troll". Trolls are people like Cast/Kimm and yes even my pal Slathar [who would be honored with that title]. Not every post that disagrees with staff is a troll. Dunno, a lot of staff just always seem super on edge / defensive, and I get that there's plenty of retards out there on boards, and making dumb petitions and the whole nine yards, believe me I work in an industry where I deal with complete retards 24/7 who say all sorts of obscenities to me, but I just shrug it off / ignore them. Here a lot of the time they get responded to and the "good' posters are 'punished' for their sins.

I'm prolly already pushing the forum ban line even with that, which to me is a pretty honest and non-offensive, post. I wouldn't have donated to this server if I "hated" the staff or was a "troll." I care about the server, prolly way 2 much, yaw def too much, and so I and a lot of others have strong opinions. Anyways, it's good 2 see people care about red, it's good to see dev involvement, I hope the server is a big hit.

I prefer to just speak my mind. Its the highest form of respect I can show this community. Even when i'm being a total trolly asshole. So that ban hammer will be flying through the air at me one day too.

In this I think you are pretty cool HB.

[Syft]

You're blind and deaf then. I've been the main one trying to change things; you're complaining to the wrong person. If you slander the development team, I will certainly ban you though. Highly recommend you cease that stupid shit.

I've addressed all of the mentioned bugs as far as I know. I am also trying very hard to get new pvp developers. Clickies, I made it a point to address in the meeting, so you didn't listen or you're wasting my time. Regarding the 'blatant hacking', take it up with your GMs.

I'm the only 'egotistical staff'(lol?) that responded to this thread. If I see more of the same threads in server chat, I'll "hall monitor" ban the fuck out the posters. That seems to be what people want, so they can subsequently complain about it.

I've been asking the development team in the most respectful fashion about clickies for a long long time now, I've seen posts about this subject going back to 2012.

The first response I've gotten to the subject came with the threat of being banned, I guess I shouldn't ask questions anymore.

[abacab-winner]

I've been asking the development team in the most respectful fashion about clickies for a long long time now, I've seen posts about this subject going back to 2012.

The first response I've gotten to the subject came with the threat of being banned, I guess I shouldn't ask questions anymore.

Can't wait til' you're banned pal, never to take a swing at my newbish flesh on teams.

lel

[nilbog]

The point of offering up bans.. if you're just going to post negativity or simply trolling, you should do it in rants and flames. Considering you're ranting and/or flaming I don't see how this is a hard concept. 'You're', unless I'm addressing someone in particular, means anyone.

So, speak your mind if you want.. and don't worry about getting banned unless it violates forum rules. Just do it in the proper area.

People might be hating me now, but I'm not hating on them. I just want the forums (server chat) to be a respectable place for new and current players. I mentioned throughout this thread about posting in server chat, but that part was ignored.

edit:

blatant hacking by Nihilum DEV'sIf you claim something like this, you better back it up. I'm in charge of the developers, and won't have them slandered like that and repeated offenses will certainly get you forum banned. You can slander their work all you want, or mine, but the corruption claims are stupid and toxic.

Just going to close this I guess. The topics here can be discussed in other threads and this one is far removed from where it started.