Silly Poll (SZ Style Teams)

[SamwiseRed]

Just to get an idea of how numbers might end up, just pick which team you think you will be on. Yea we dont know ruleset nor what teams will be comprised of but its very likely its going to be 3 teams and loosely revolve around deity (good, newt, evil.) Ofc shit could change but again just curious.

You don't really have to comment since there are about 12 teams threads going, just vote.

[Rec]

I will be on the forces of good

[runlvlzero]

I like having gods that align with my alignment and the Neutral gods are not pussies or faggorts like the evil/good gods are.

[Kevynne]

Tunare for life.
May roll my Veeshan cleric again if they add in sz deity/race/class combos

[SamwiseRed]

Fame just became first KOS player of new server :)

[SamwiseRed]

damn salty and grimtoad going newt, things starting to get real around here.

[SamwiseRed]

represent your set.

[Bazia]

human team, because that's what race my absurdly decked out red99 toon will be when he merges over

[Azure]

Bristlebane all the way :p

[Elderan]

Selected teams makes the most sense..

Select team 1,2,3 on char creation.

[Bazia]

SZ plz i want to camp misty ec/crushbone and slay level 8s with my level 60

just for the lulz

[Vexenu]

SZ plz i want to camp misty ec/crushbone and slay level 8s with my level 60

just for the lulz

The lulz will be when you attempt to do this, then get PKed and corpse camped by a few high level enemies while the level 8 newbs take screenshots squatting over your corpse.

[Rokannis]

SZ plz i want to camp misty ec/crushbone and slay level 8s with my level 60

just for the lulz

/who level 60
/msg level 60's "halp CB under attack"
/level 60 reply "on the way"
level 60 kills you, you lose exp and you are bound far away, have fun getting your body. Level 60 then buffs lowbies and they grind out exp. Lowbies then /praise their newfound hero and look forward to being as powerful as the hero of Crushbone enticing them to play more and level faster.

[Bazia]

yeah that will happen

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma38t5fF8u1qb97ggo1_500.jpg

[Rec]

Bazia needs to go back to the grief drawing board

[Bazia]

well i actually play on a pvp server

unless ur irl friends with somebody or guilded they give 0 fux about u getting griefed

this isnt 99 with the days of whiteknights and antipks

[Tiggles]

I was nuet then later evil on SZ.

I'd play what ever TMO decides to roll as.

[Bazia]

hope u do better then IB did on r99 launch

bind camped relapsee's faggot ass off the server

[Alecta]

Someone let Bezer know that greenie needs griefing...

[Bazia]

necrious/snackums VS nizzar/tune

battle of the beards

[Tradesonred]

The lulz will be when you attempt to do this, then get PKed and corpse camped by a few high level enemies while the level 8 newbs take screenshots squatting over your corpse.

Yeah cuz we all know this pop will be all over white knighting for a noob getting lulz'ed by griefers. You know, time away from raiding dragons, etc

Will totally happen, im sure

[Rokannis]

Yeah cuz we all know this pop will be all over white knighting for a noob getting lulz'ed by griefers. You know, time away from raiding dragons, etc

Will totally happen, im sure

Red99 pop wouldn't do it. But thats a pop of 80-100 people. This server aint gonna be like Red99 brah. Old schoolers be coming out of the woodworks to show you how its done. You'd be surprised what hard coded teams can do to your mentality to protect your zones. It opens up a whole new meta. But I understand its hard to see if you've never played it.

[Bazia]

yeah hes stupid ecoli hes never played emu or EQ for years, he doesnt realize no one gives a fuck about white knighting or antipk anymore

shtis gonna be grieftastic

[Vexenu]

Lol this guy thinks team zone control is white knighting or "anti-PK".

Hint: Teams PvP is a completely different dynamic than FFA PvP on a mostly empty server.

PvP on Red is like being in a gang. If you don't have friends who've got your back, you're fucked. PvP on a teams server is like being in a war. You have known allies and enemies, and each team exercises control over certain zones. If you fail to protect those zones, your team suffers.

[Tradesonred]

Lol this guy thinks team zone control is white knighting or "anti-PK".

Hint: Teams PvP is a completely different dynamic than FFA PvP on a mostly empty server.

PvP on Red is like being in a gang. If you don't have friends who've got your back, you're fucked. PvP on a teams server is like being in a war. You have known allies and enemies, and each team exercises control over certain zones. If you fail to protect those zones, your team suffers.

Yes and people are gonna give a fuck about the team why?

Evils gonna rule anyway, so whats the point

[Rec]

undecided cowards!

[Bazia]

what ecoli said

[Vexenu]

Yes and people are gonna give a fuck about the team why?

Evils gonna rule anyway, so whats the point

Because a team that takes care of its leveling zones will have a significant advantage in player retention over one that doesn't. You let your newbs get griefed off the box and you will have zero backup when the other teams start to steamroll you, and will have no lower level feeder guilds to recruit new raid-level players from.

And yeah evil would dominate without the fixes I suggested in my thread. Those changes would do a lot to address the natural imbalance.

Too many people are basically imagining the Red server with a Teams ruleset. That's the problem. The reality is that the environment created on a fresh server with a Teams ruleset would be totally different from Red. There are plenty of Blue players and currently inactive players who would roll on Teams and would have no problem competing against Nihilum in both PvP and PvE.

If you try to play on a Teams server the way you play on Red (basically with total self-interest, or guild-interest at best) you will be screwing yourself over. When you have two enemy teams hardcoded to be KOS to you, you need all the backup you can get.

[Bazia]

people can PL and help newbs to recruit in their guilds right now on red, and all guilds are hurting for people

guess what they still dont rescue them from pks or give them gear

because they dont give a fuck

[Colgate]

evil or ur dum

[Tradesonred]

Because a team that takes care of its leveling zones will have a significant advantage in player retention over one that doesn't. You let your newbs get griefed off the box and you will have zero backup when the other teams start to steamroll you, and will have no lower level feeder guilds to recruit new raid-level players from.

And yeah evil would dominate without the fixes I suggested in my thread. Those changes would do a lot to address the natural imbalance.

Too many people are basically imagining the Red server with a Teams ruleset. That's the problem. The reality is that the environment created on a fresh server with a Teams ruleset would be totally different from Red. There are plenty of Blue players and currently inactive players who would roll on Teams and would have no problem competing against Nihilum in both PvP and PvE.

If you try to play on a Teams server the way you play on Red (basically with total self-interest, or guild-interest at best) you will be screwing yourself over. When you have two enemy teams hardcoded to be KOS to you, you need all the backup you can get.

I just told you that a bunch of people's purpose in their EQ life is to grief people off the box and youre talking to me about them caring about player retention?

Your suggestion thread is the only thing ive read that makes me think a SZ server might be something else than a massive fail. Just a regular fail. But i wouldnt expect them to act on it. I argued for literally months me and others against xp loss in pvp because it killed box population. Devs waited until it was too late to act, to act.

Evils will dominate and box will be deader than dead (Cept for zerg guild variation of nihilum, or nihilum itself) in less time than it takes to say red99

[Rokannis]

people can PL and help newbs to recruit in their guilds right now on red, and all guilds are hurting for people

guess what they still dont rescue them from pks or give them gear

because they dont give a fuck

Because zone control has no meaning in FFA. Durp. And the only people left on that server are those who love playing in a cess pool.

[Vexenu]

This is basically all I hear from Red players against the new server:

"Our server fucking sucks, the players on it are all complete shitheads, and if you try to make a new server, all the shitheads from here will ruin it, so don't bother. BUT PLEASE COME FIX OUR BOX, WE DESERVE IT!"

And they probably wonder why the server is a ghost town.

[Rec]

don't worry, the teams server will put FFA out of its misery :)

[Bazia]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

[Vexenu]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

No, not everyone is like that, and if you honestly think so, you will be quite surprised to see high level players defending newbies they don't know. It happened every day on SZ. It will happen on the new Teams server.

I honestly think the remaining Red players have some kind of Stockholm Syndrome going on. They've literally become traumatized by their experiences there. They've been wallowing in shit for so long they can't imagine that anything better is possible.

WALK TOWARD THE LIGHT RED PLAYERS, STEP INTO A BETTER WORLD!

[Rokannis]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

Keep basing your thoughts off your shit ass community of 100 players in a shit ass rule set that promotes griefing and I'll base mine off something that worked with 1000-1500 players.

[Tradesonred]

Keep basing your thoughts off your shit ass community of 100 players in a shit ass rule set that promotes griefing and I'll base mine off something that worked with 1000-1500 players.

I base my thoughts from the fact that SZ was alot harsher to me on live than Rallos, and that i was griefed off SZ after a day or 2.

I didnt get camped by a 45 wizard on Rallos starting out, just saying.

[Bogart]

I kind of enjoy watching carebears fight it out over what hardcoded forced zerg/nutcupping rules will make the game palatable enough for the fabled casuals. I thought this whole train of thought died off ten years ago. But the carebears on p99 still holding strong no matter how many team pvp mmos have failed, believing their personal petty tweaks will be the secret formula to make a fundamentally broken system work.

[Tradesonred]

People thinking its gonna be anything else than evil team shitting on the rest of the box until 2 other teams are dead and its another purple box puts a smile on my face.

[Rokannis]

People thinking its gonna be anything else than evil team shitting on the rest of the box until 2 other teams are dead and its another purple box puts a smile on my face.

*Points to the Neutral and Goodies leading the polls*

Lets not forget the fact everyone who comes back to play will want to be fighting against Nihilium simply to show them up.

[SamwiseRed]

Sad that most of the people against teams only pvp experience are these emus. Zone control was very important on teams servers and yes people will come and white knight their lowbies. I did it for over a year here on a shitty rule set. Best believe many others and I will be there to hold down the fort. Reminds me of brotherhood going into guk with a full group to fight our way through enemy territory (flowers). Or may protecting the lowbies in unrest from the super twink buffed griefers.

[Rokannis]

Sad that most of the people against teams only pvp experience are these emus. Zone control was very important on teams servers and yes people will come and white knight their lowbies. I did it for over a year here on a shitty rule set. Best believe many others and I will be there to hold down the fort. Reminds me of brotherhood going into guk with a full group to fight our way through enemy territory (flowers). Or may protecting the lowbies in unrest from the super twink buffed griefers.
Pretty much Samwise. Lets just hope the devs don't trust their trolling neckbeard red core. While catering to the, they alienate hundreds, potentially 500-800 other people that would love to populate teams. If they are going to take a risk and do a "science" experiment as they say, then hopefully they take the risk in taking our word on deity teams SZ style. They have nothing to lose, only players to gain.

[Tradesonred]

To me its no hair loss on my dick (you know you dont wanna get bald, THERE) if they implement a team server, i just dont think it will work. I think ill play it actually, just cuz i think itll be a fun month or 2 to watch it get burned to the ground.

[nabsev]

2 years of this faggot Tradesonred crying about xp loss

[runlvlzero]

2 years of this faggot Tradesonred crying about xp loss

I love how its the first thing he uses and its a strawman argument because no one knows.

[Tradesonred]

I love how its the first thing he uses and its a strawman argument because no one knows.

Meaning?

Nobody whos not an idiot will admit xp loss in pvp was a total failure and put nihilum where it is now.

Even people like Andis who used to say xp loss in pvp was a non-factor came around.

Some random guy on the internet calling me a faggot like im in elementary school, no hair off my dick.

[runlvlzero]

No one thinks XP loss is that great around here... well a few people do. But it came up and I doubt its going to ever be implemented again. Hard core SZism (which is why xp loss was on R99 in the first place) was a failure and most people realize that. What I mean is you dragged it into almost every post you've made since teams were announced.

[Tradesonred]

No one thinks XP loss is that great around here... well a few people do. But it came up and I doubt its going to ever be implemented again. Hard core SZism (which is why xp loss was on R99 in the first place) was a failure and most people realize that. What I mean is you dragged it into almost every post you've made since teams were announced.

Well we are having a discussion about what failed, what worked, what could work, whats gonna be a problem, are we not?

And please stop hyperboling, i dont place it in every post

[runlvlzero]

LOL dood. You are ranting over and over about the same thing and NOT EVEN participating because you didnt bother to read. No one has asked for official input. And 99% of the posts I see are flames comin in at how the staff fucked up and will fuck up again.

Shove it where the sun don't shine Ecoli, cause thats where you belong.

[Syft]

Sorry but alignment based server wont work!

As they stated they are going to merge red99 with team server.

So what if you made a necro or are an ogre and all your friends choose good on teams server, now you can't play with your friends and guildmates!

There can be 3 teams but alignment based won't work with server merger.

[Syft]

LOL dood. You are ranting over and over about the same thing and NOT EVEN participating because you didnt bother to read. No one has asked for official input. And 99% of the posts I see are flames comin in at how the staff fucked up and will fuck up again.

Shove it where the sun don't shine Ecoli, cause thats where you belong.

Can you really blame them tho.

Unlimited range pillar's were bitched about everyday on forums and left in the game for 2 years!

You don't have to look far to find a thread about highsun being unresistable and it's STILL IN THE GAME.

Click threads as far as the eye can see and it's not even being addressed.

P99 has literally become who has the most clicks at high end pvp and they do nothing to stop it whatsoever can you really blame the player's for losing all faith?

[SamwiseRed]

Sorry but alignment based server wont work!

As they stated they are going to merge red99 with team server.

So what if you made a necro or are an ogre and all your friends choose good on teams server, now you can't play with your friends and guildmates!

There can be 3 teams but alignment based won't work with server merger.

people are more concerned with merger rather than the actual new server. lets not get ahead of ourselves. sz ruleset took care of all the bs in rz,tz,vz and made it a truely immersive pvp server. if every decision will be based around merger then its just gonna end up being an ffa server lol

[Syft]

people are more concerned with merger rather than the actual new server. lets not get ahead of ourselves. sz ruleset took care of all the bs in rz,tz,vz and made it a truely immersive pvp server. if every decision will be based around merger then its just gonna end up being an ffa server lol

Doesn't change the fact that the mechanics wont allow for that particular ruleset to happen.

There can be a 3 team server but you cannot have alignment based if your merging it with an FFA, I'm not here to daydream but be realistic.

[SamwiseRed]

Doesn't change the fact that the mechanics wont allow for that particular ruleset to happen.

There can be a 3 team server but you cannot have alignment based if your merging it with an FFA, I'm not here to daydream but be realistic.

not sure where you are getting at. makes no sense for teams if its just team 1, team 2, and team 3 lol. its gonna be race or deity, no other way for it to happen unless you are trying to emulate counterstrike or something.e

[Greegon]

evil is the only way

[SamwiseRed]

evil is the only way

you shall be cleansed my friend, in the name of our lord and saviour smedy christ.

[Tradesonred]

LOL dood. You are ranting over and over about the same thing and NOT EVEN participating because you didnt bother to read. No one has asked for official input. And 99% of the posts I see are flames comin in at how the staff fucked up and will fuck up again.

Shove it where the sun don't shine Ecoli, cause thats where you belong.

Well they did fuck up

Just like it was inconsiderate/ill thought of them to leave red99 to rot while they were getting feedback on a silver platter on how to fix things it would be inconsiderate of them to let people who put so many hours into their characters in limbo for months not knowing if theyll be willing to continue on the new ruleset, if they will be able to roll with their friends. The good/evil wife combo was mentioned in a post somewhere.

No one asked for their input because maybe people stopped giving a shit after the long radio silence months where you had to guess if server was left to rot forever, or what. Admittedly its gotten a bit better since those days.

Not acknowledging that is brown nosing

[runlvlzero]

Well they did fuck up

Just like it was inconsiderate/ill thought of them to leave red99 to rot while they were getting feedback on a silver platter on how to fix things it would be inconsiderate of them to let people who put so many hours into their characters in limbo for months not knowing if theyll be willing to continue on the new ruleset, if they will be able to roll with their friends. The good/evil wife combo was mentioned in a post somewhere.

No one asked for their input because maybe people stopped giving a shit after the long radio silence months where you had to guess if server was left to rot forever, or what. Admittedly its gotten a bit better since those days.

Not acknowledging that is brown nosing

I honestly think they are making an attempt. I honestly think they want to see a bigger pop on their PvP server. Sirken was pretty adamant today on being succesful and not just a troll. Heard the emotion in his voice. When he was answering questions for a few mins before his comp blew up.

[SamwiseRed]

up, raise those signs up.

[Dullah]

Horrible teams. Would not play.

[SamwiseRed]

not my fault sony based their teams around lore to make sense of pvp.

[Dullah]

not my fault sony based their teams around lore to make sense of pvp.

Its not my fault deity based teams with the stock racial deity limitations make for very imbalanced teams.

[Rec]

it's not my fault sz teams are so super cool

[SamwiseRed]

eq is one of the most unbalanced pvp mmos there is (if ever) which is one of the reasons i like it. its unique and SZ made it to where some classes were unique to some teams. (sorry if that doesnt make sense lul) its one of the reasons why i thought vanilla wow was so great. shit wasnt balanced (although more than eq) and each faction had a unique class.

[SamwiseRed]

pvp just doesnt make sense to me without teams for reasons other than grief. i mean why would a halfling druid kill another halfling druid over a PKT? so he can sell it on the forums for pp? its like killing someone for a pair of their shoes, only a scum would do it (yea i just compared mmo pvp to RL, mad?) however i could totally justify killing someone in the name of Smedy. wars over idealogy are so much more involved than wars over material gains, i think it works the same way in mmos.

[Dullah]

Only the ignorant call EQ pvp imbalanced.

EQ pvp is perfectly balanced, because the classes are so extremely diverse. Saying one class is "more powerful" than any other is comparing apples to oranges. Every class has its proper place and is necessary, especially in kunark/velious.

Something modern mmo players just don't understand is that class diversity and distinction is the key to balance, not evening out dps meters.

[runlvlzero]

Only the ignorant call EQ pvp imbalanced.

EQ pvp is perfectly balanced, because the classes are so extremely diverse. Saying one class is "more powerful" than any other is comparing apples to oranges. Every class has its proper place and is necessary, especially in kunark/velious.

Something modern mmo players just don't understand is that class diversity and distinction is the key to balance, not evening out dps meters.

Yep

[SamwiseRed]

lul good one.

[Potus]

Only the ignorant call EQ pvp imbalanced.

EQ pvp is perfectly balanced, because the classes are so extremely diverse. Saying one class is "more powerful" than any other is comparing apples to oranges. Every class has its proper place and is necessary, especially in kunark/velious.


Ok please tell me where Necromancers fit in Kunark/Velious pvp.

[Zuranthium]

Only the ignorant call EQ pvp imbalanced.

EQ pvp is perfectly balanced, because the classes are so extremely diverse. Saying one class is "more powerful" than any other is comparing apples to oranges. Every class has its proper place and is necessary, especially in kunark/velious.

Something modern mmo players just don't understand is that class diversity and distinction is the key to balance, not evening out dps meters.

I don't think you understand balance, lawl.

It's not about evening out, it's about "my unique abilities are approximately as useful as your abilities."

EQ is not balanced. It's possible to have the diversity of EQ and still have it be balanced.

[runlvlzero]

I don't think you understand balance, lawl.

It's not about evening out, it's about "my unique abilities are approximately as useful as your abilities."

EQ is not balanced. It's possible to have the diversity of EQ and still have it be balanced.

Its hard, WoW did not pull off the diversity of EQ IMO. Name a few that do?

Shadowrun the FPS almost did, but still lacked a few core abilities like root/freezing opponents.

Team Fortress Classic and New falls short but, you have snipers (Tank/DPS/AE), soldiers (AE), Demo (AeSpam), Medics (Heals), Agents (Stealth), Recons (Mobility)...

And by no means were any of the Team Fortress classes balanced either. A minigunner would splatter the fuck out of a recon if the recon wasnt already conc jumping by at hyperspeeds, even then you could catch them in the air and stop em in their tracks, was glorious gibbing a recon in flight towards the flag =)

Yet a recon could use terrain/level design to get arounda minigunner or snipe them slowly from cover. Thats how balance was introduced by players.

[Zuranthium]

Its hard, WoW did not pull off the diversity of EQ IMO. Name a few that do?

Guild Wars 1. Way more diversity than classic EQ.

Ofc, that game was not balanced a lot of the time either, but it had some shining periods and is fairly well balanced at the current point in time. I really wish someone would pick up the Guild Wars 1 system and continue to refine and broaden it, because it's the best ever. A real tragedy how the developers abandoned it for Guild Wars 2.

[Gustoo]

Halfling Cleric probably. Bristlebane.

[SamwiseRed]

lol lookin like good and evils may need to ally up :)

[Guttzs]

Rallos Zek

[SamwiseRed]

darkies starting to come out, brace yourselves.

[Chronoburn]

Neut for life.

Evil is setup to be team ez but maybe this time around, more people will grow a set and play with under dogs. (I really hope the goodies actually impact the server this time instead of just annoying the other 2 teams)

[Producer]

Rallos Zek

[SamwiseRed]

savah will B$ make a come back?

[runlvlzero]

Guild Wars 1. Way more diversity than classic EQ.

Ofc, that game was not balanced a lot of the time either, but it had some shining periods and is fairly well balanced at the current point in time. I really wish someone would pick up the Guild Wars 1 system and continue to refine and broaden it, because it's the best ever. A real tragedy how the developers abandoned it for Guild Wars 2.

Yeah I'll give you guild wars had some good design.

[SamwiseRed]

not going to lie, i seriously feel like going all out on this box before teams launch. havent been this motivated since i started VV but ff14 is so good (pve-wise) and im getting my pvp fix on DCUO. not sure what it is but console MMOs are growing on me.

[runlvlzero]

not going to lie, i seriously feel like going all out on this box before teams launch. havent been this motivated since i started VV but ff14 is so good (pve-wise) and im getting my pvp fix on DCUO. not sure what it is but console MMOs are growing on me.

Simplicity. And refined interface.

Simplicity != lack of depth. FF14 probably has some good gameplay from what I hear.

Its what makes me quit EQ... can't control it with a joystick so much.

[Auchae]

Bert's my boy, but not sure. Maybe Inny.

[SamwiseRed]

need more goodies.

[Dullah]

Ok please tell me where Necromancers fit in Kunark/Velious pvp.

On a server where resists actually work, necros are gods. Apparently you're new to EQ.

[Chronoburn]

Against a melee, the average Necro got shit on in Velious. Shit, I remember 1 shotting some (/duelist double-backstabbing)

[Azure]

Against a melee, the average Necro got shit on in Velious. Shit, I remember 1 shotting some (/duelist double-backstabbing)

Haha, thats all clothies.

[HippoNipple]

Server launches with team rules in place.

Server barely gets into Kunark, giving just enough time to level up, get keyed and have some fun guild vs guild.

Shortly after the two pvp servers merge.

Nihilum has neglected the new server the entire time and built a force on a dead box that will prosper if teams are enforced on the merged server.

Teams server is back to red99 status in 5 months.

[Chronoburn]

Haha, thats all clothies.

Especially Necros

[Rokannis]

MAN EVIL SURE IS LEADING THE WAY, BETTER MAKE THEM A DISCORD TEAM CUZ THEY WILL BE SO OP LULZ

[Rec]

I think we will have more than 88 players on the server, who may or may not be telling the truth, who may or may not change their minds.

[Chronoburn]

Undecided = Evil

[SamwiseRed]

I think we will have more than 88 players on the server, who may or may not be telling the truth, who may or may not change their minds.

True it's why I put silly in thread title

[Colgate]

pras ct

[SamwiseRed]

Undecided = Evil

Also true lol

[Elderan]

Server launches with team rules in place.

Server barely gets into Kunark, giving just enough time to level up, get keyed and have some fun guild vs guild.

Shortly after the two pvp servers merge.

Nihilum has neglected the new server the entire time and built a force on a dead box that will prosper if teams are enforced on the merged server.

Teams server is back to red99 status in 5 months.

This is part of why this server makes no sense right now. The end result is the same.

[Nirgon]

Overthere hammer

Evil

Sup

[Elderan]

Overthere hammer

Evil

Sup

Main thing everyone has to keep in mind.

Teams need to be setup so if R99 merged into T99 that players can choose their team from R99. We have been assured this will be the case.

However if they plan on merging T99 into R99 which I have been told is the most likely case then I am all for whatever teams they do.

Also T99 should be linked to R99 so names on R99 cannot be used for T99. It will make a merger a ton easier.

[Nirgon]

Ask your boy Arzak about the greatness of a "pure" server.

Keep red's shit off that teams server. Thx that is all.

[Elderan]

Ask your boy Arzak about the greatness of a "pure" server.

Keep red's shit off that teams server. Thx that is all.

Sorry not going to happen...

Servers are going to merge at some point.

[Pudge]

should be a choice, keep all your pixels and move to blue, or transfer to teams99 with only no-drops

[Elderan]

should be a choice, keep all your pixels and move to blue, or transfer to teams99 with only no-drops

A red server will NEVER merge with a blue.

Straight from a GM.

This is my entire point. We need to focus on changes to red that builds people who want to level and pvp some and have fun. Rebuild from the ground up.

[HippoNipple]

A red server will NEVER merge with a blue.

Straight from a GM.

This is my entire point. We need to focus on changes to red that builds people who want to level and pvp some and have fun. Rebuild from the ground up.

I wouldn't say never.

They mentioned it being possible this weekend.

If team99 ends up being more successful than red and red only has a couple PvE players left it could happen.

[klant]

elderan, your boys already destroyed what fun the current pvp server could have been by zerging the fuck out of it. don't try to chime in on how you could make the new server better please

[Elderan]

I wouldn't say never.

They mentioned it being possible this weekend.

If team99 ends up being more successful than red and red only has a couple PvE players left it could happen.

This was clarified after the stream as being a slip of the tongue.

T99 will merge into R99 or R99 will merge into T99 but never BLUE.

[Elderan]

elderan, your boys already destroyed what fun the current pvp server could have been by zerging the fuck out of it. don't try to chime in on how you could make the new server better please

The server has low population for many reasons. Your point is only a small reason.

[Something'Witty]

If team99 ends up being more successful than red and red only has a couple PvE players left it could happen.

Even if there are only a couple people actively playing on R99, everyone will transfer their old R99 characters to the destination server before R99 is wiped for good. The sheer influx of plat / tradable items would wreak havoc on the destination server's economy, and I doubt the Devs would allow that to happen to Blue.

[heartbrand]

I hope they don't merge personally.

[Elderan]

I hope they don't merge personally.

Fixing R99 and then releasing the T99 6 months after velious makes the most sense.

[SamwiseRed]

Evils starting to show their faces. Intredasting

[heartbrand]

Fixing R99 and then releasing the T99 6 months after velious makes the most sense.

Why would you wait half a year to release a server people want now? No matter how many fixes you make to red it will never thrive, repeat, it's never going to thrive. Red is what it is, it's max is 160 pop, nothing more than that and velious will only exasperate the gear differential and make fighting nihilum impossible. Since we all agree a wipe is bad, a fresh server is the best of both worlds.

Team99 will attract a different brand of player moreso than take away from reds player base. It's attracting people who never were going to try red99 regardless of clickies or resists, and you're seeing this born out by the flux of new posters here and on the blue forums. I know you only rolled here when the server already was down the shitter, making its final circle down the sewage drain, so you prolly still have that rose tinted glasses optimism I had once, "if only they do x red will thrive," they've done x 100 times over here: global ooc, YT, boosted xp rates, remove exp loss from deaths, etc., now we are hearing just fix clickies / resists / variance and red will thrive. When are people going to realize this server is never going to thrive, the dream is dead, it doesn't mean some fun times can't be had occasionally, but the dream of 400+ concurrent pop will never occur here.

Bring on team99 and no merge plz.


Edit: I got plenty of play invested on red99, I'd much rather see the server thrive than a new server, believe me. But I'm also a jew and a realist, and two years in I know it's just not going to happen.

[SamwiseRed]

Teams 99, it was just a dream 2 years ago as people trolled me. All worth it pras. I went full retard on red99 once with a good aligned diety based guild. Now I get to do this for real. Expect a lot of sock from me.

[Bogart]

Teams 99, it was just a dream 2 years ago as people trolled me. All worth it pras. I went full retard on red99 once with a good aligned diety based guild. Now I get to do this for real. Expect a lot of sock from me.

I'm so happy for you.

[Dullah]

Why would you wait half a year to release a server people want now? No matter how many fixes you make to red it will never thrive, repeat, it's never going to thrive. Red is what it is, it's max is 160 pop, nothing more than that and velious will only exasperate the gear differential and make fighting nihilum impossible. Since we all agree a wipe is bad, a fresh server is the best of both worlds.

Team99 will attract a different brand of player moreso than take away from reds player base. It's attracting people who never were going to try red99 regardless of clickies or resists, and you're seeing this born out by the flux of new posters here and on the blue forums. I know you only rolled here when the server already was down the shitter, making its final circle down the sewage drain, so you prolly still have that rose tinted glasses optimism I had once, "if only they do x red will thrive," they've done x 100 times over here: global ooc, YT, boosted xp rates, remove exp loss from deaths, etc., now we are hearing just fix clickies / resists / variance and red will thrive. When are people going to realize this server is never going to thrive, the dream is dead, it doesn't mean some fun times can't be had occasionally, but the dream of 400+ concurrent pop will never occur here.

Bring on team99 and no merge plz.


Edit: I got plenty of play invested on red99, I'd much rather see the server thrive than a new server, believe me. But I'm also a jew and a realist, and two years in I know it's just not going to happen.

They haven't done x 100 times. They've put bandaids on a server dismembered by bugs, bad resists and an image of neglect. Soon as devs actually start talking and saying things are going to get fixed, the population starts to climb. Were they actually to fix these issues and announce Velious in the coming months, population would no less than double.

Also, you don't want a merge because you have unlimited free time to play video games, while many people, including the neckbeards in Nihilum, do not. The other reasons you don't want a merge are obvious, you intend to go all in on t99 with a different team and you don't want Nihilum's past progress to stand in your way down the line.

Lets be real here.

[heartbrand]

I don't want a merge because it makes no logical sense for EITHER server. If you're a blue player who thinks teams is fun and then it merged into a FFA red99 server six months down the road are you going to stay? Does it make sense to merge them into our VP geared chars with our cohesive unit to get slaughtered? Those people are probably quitting. If you merge red99 into team99 you're completely killing the balance of team99. I can't think of a single logical argument to merge the two other than rogean doesn't want to pay for it. To ascribe other reasons to it is ludicrous.

I completely disagree with your assessment about velious and fixes, and if you recall, you made a similar assessment about Kunark which I disagreed with, and who turned out to be right on that one? Now in all fairness there were no fixes with that launch but you never attached fixes to the pop boost you claimed Kunark would bring. Red99 is just not an attractive option to most people. I've made thread after thread, post after post, in the blue forums, those people just aren't interested in FFA pvp regardless of how classic resists are here. They don't care they're getting cock blocked by TMO and could reroll here to contest for pixels. Teams is a completely different story, which again is why merging is retarded, and could jeopardize the health of the new server

My position for the longest time has been red needed fresh blood to ever thrive, not the return of the same 60 people who will burn out again, which is exactly what will happen a couple of months after velious. Since rogean and nilbog completely shot down the idea of blue transfers, and since I severely underestimated the desire by blue players for a team server, I truly believe this is the way to go.

Edit: I have no intention of "going hard" team99. I could never endure raiding VP on two servers at once or anything like that or even leveling to 60 again to be quite honest. What I do want is a chance to fuck around in classic where there's 30 people in every zone again and have a blast just pvping while talking sports and other things in a relaxed atmosphere. If anything my future on team99 is completely dependent upon the ultimate look and rules as well as timing, as I'm expecting a second child in December. If it launches then I may very well never even roll on team99, but that doesn't mean I still don't believe a merge is retarded, certainly one that's team99 to red99.

[Colgate]

They haven't done x 100 times. They've put bandaids on a server dismembered by bugs, bad resists and an image of neglect. Soon as devs actually start talking and saying things are going to get fixed, the population starts to climb. Were they actually to fix these issues and announce Velious in the coming months, population would no less than double.

Also, you don't want a merge because you have unlimited free time to play video games, while many people, including the neckbeards in Nihilum, do not. The other reasons you don't want a merge are obvious, you intend to go all in on t99 with a different team and you don't want Nihilum's past progress to stand in your way down the line.

Lets be real here.

..?

[Dullah]

I completely disagree with your assessment about velious and fixes, and if you recall, you made a similar assessment about Kunark which I disagreed with, and who turned out to be right on that one?

I did, and you know it.

r99 was at like 30 players when I said population would be well over 100. Not only did it hit 150 almost immediately, it climbed to over 200 for weeks not long ago. That was without even fixing most of the major issues, and introducing new bugs along the way.

[heartbrand]

Red99 was experiencing a semi boost before Kunark with Vae Victus. Samwise had the pop steadily rising and Kunark brought a large number of nihilum members back. Like all new content in every MMO, pop went up for a bit as people grinded 60 and new shinies but it was still a deserted waste land. How much pvp was there in Kunark those opening weeks? You all were in city of mist and Sebilis while we were in KC. I couldn't even find a cleric to group with or an enchanter the vast majority of time. I used sharlen and a paladin to heal me for the majority of Kunark. You even admitted it did not lead to the boost you thought it would.

I am not claiming velious and fixes wouldn't boost the pop here, certainly it would. But by how much? Shouldn't the goal be not to hit 200, which for velious is incredibly low especially considering 40-50 of those would be us, but to hit 350-400? Team99 has the possibility to do that, whereas I personally don't believe red99 ever has a shot at reaching that.

Personally, I don't think any of this matters. I've seen how decisions have been made around here in the last and I'm beyond skeptical that this launch will A) even happen B) make any sense C) bugs being fixed before its too late, etc.

[Dullah]

Red99 was experiencing a semi boost before Kunark with Vae Victus. Samwise had the pop steadily rising and Kunark brought a large number of nihilum members back. Like all new content in every MMO, pop went up for a bit as people grinded 60 and new shinies but it was still a deserted waste land. How much pvp was there in Kunark those opening weeks? You all were in city of mist and Sebilis while we were in KC. I couldn't even find a cleric to group with or an enchanter the vast majority of time. I used sharlen and a paladin to heal me for the majority of Kunark. You even admitted it did not lead to the boost you thought it would.

I am not claiming velious and fixes wouldn't boost the pop here, certainly it would. But by how much? Shouldn't the goal be not to hit 200, which for velious is incredibly low especially considering 40-50 of those would be us, but to hit 350-400? Team99 has the possibility to do that, whereas I personally don't believe red99 ever has a shot at reaching that.
It tripled, if not quadrupled the population in the months following kunark. I might have thought it would have gone up more suddenly, but I can't imagine why I'd have ever said it didn't boost it like I thought it would.

[heartbrand]

If you want me to concede the point of Kunark pop boost, sure, it got us from double digits to mid 100s at prime time (shit was still a barren wasteland during the daytime). But do you truly in your heart believe that fixes plus velious will get us to the 300+ pop mark? Listen man I'd love to see it happen, tons of guild v guild v guild pvp, lots of skirmishes all over norrath etc, it would be great. I just don't see it. But hey I wear glasses.

Edit: that doesn't mean I don't think they should make fixes or abandon red99. I'm not advocating that at all. Again, personally I MUCH prefer FFA pvp over teams. I hate in wow how I can't kill people on my side who are farming something I want. I like freedom in my MMO's. But apparently there's a lot of people here who would only roll if it was teams.

When I first heard the stream where rogean and crew basically ignored red99 and spoke about the new server I was livid. But after taking the time to see the response by a bunch of new people who seem really enthused about teams, I'm willing to concede that maybe it will workZ

[heartbrand]

I was heavily in the camp when this was announced that this is a win for the trolls who want a wipe as a way of sticking it to nihilum. However take a look at the people against team99. Cwall / retti / lite / tunak all people who seemed disgusted by the path the devs were choosing to go. The biggest enemies of nihilum seem to be strongly in the "just fix red99" camp. There really is a big amount of new blood interested in this. Shrug.

[Dullah]

Problem is, people will go where the most players are on a pvp server, so the less popular server will essentially be wiped without a future merge.

I personally hate teams pvp because its one step away from being completely blue and I know unless a lot of policing is involved and other hardcoded rules to prevent griefing, it won't be any more popular then r99 down the line.

For the sake of the community though, I'd be willing to compromise permitted they made the right decisions regarding a new server. One of those decisions would be to merge the less popular server into the more popular down the line (like they intend to). Another one of those decisions would be to allow a FFA team on the teams server to give us the best of both worlds.

It would be one thing if r99 was at the end of velious and the server was being merged with another server earlier in the timeline, but the gear gap in kunark is minimal. It just seems to me you have some sort of ulterior motive, because I don't personally believe you are stupid enough to actually think a guild with VP gear has that much of an advantage over other kunark players who don't. Especially when the merge won't take place until after t99 will be VP capable.

[Colgate]

vp gear ain't no thang

check the title

[heartbrand]

Problem is, people will go where the most players are on a pvp server, so the less popular server will essentially be wiped without a future merge.

I personally hate teams pvp because its one step away from being completely blue and I know unless a lot of policing is involved and other hardcoded rules to prevent griefing, it won't be any more popular then r99 down the line.

For the sake of the community though, I'd be willing to compromise permitted they made the right decisions regarding a new server. One of those decisions would be to merge the less popular server into the more popular down the line (like they intend to). Another one of those decisions would be to allow a FFA team on the teams server to give us the best of both worlds.

It would be one thing if r99 was at the end of velious and the server was being merged with another server earlier in the timeline, but the gear gap in kunark is minimal. It just seems to me you have some sort of ulterior motive, because I don't personally believe you are stupid enough to actually think a guild with VP gear has that much of an advantage over other kunark players who don't. Especially when the merge won't take place until after t99 will be VP capable.

My main concern with a merge is that according to Zade and Sirken the intention or hope would be that team99 merges into red99. If you have a bunch of players coming only because of the team aspect and then pull the rug out from under them six months in that seems like a bad move in my opinion. The red99 into team99 isn't as bad a possibility, but it depends completely upon the timeline aspect. There's a lot of unknowns still, which makes this all hard to predict or form opinions on, but the one thing I do believe is that team99 into red99 would be bad.

[Dullah]

I was under the impression that the less popular server would be merged into the more popular, though after only 3 months of classic and 3 months of kunark, any pvp server would be more popular than another one thats been stuck in kunark for over a year.

[Bogart]

I was under the impression that the less popular server would be merged into the more popular, though after only 3 months of classic and 3 months of kunark, any pvp server would be more popular than another one thats been stuck in kunark for over a year.

Me too, there's no way red99 can't lose.

[Elderan]

My main concern with a merge is that according to Zade and Sirken the intention or hope would be that team99 merges into red99. If you have a bunch of players coming only because of the team aspect and then pull the rug out from under them six months in that seems like a bad move in my opinion. The red99 into team99 isn't as bad a possibility, but it depends completely upon the timeline aspect. There's a lot of unknowns still, which makes this all hard to predict or form opinions on, but the one thing I do believe is that team99 into red99 would be bad.

But that is basically the deal they are offering. New server for 6 months but then you got to deal with the merge.

No merge means no new server.

[heartbrand]

You're new to the game here elderan. Promises / half promises / claims etc are constantly changed here. I'm still skeptical the server will even happen.

[Elderan]

You're new to the game here elderan. Promises / half promises / claims etc are constantly changed here. I'm still skeptical the server will even happen.

Me too but the limbo state they placed R99 into is very real.

[Lu|z Sect]

Thankfully.

[SamwiseRed]

le bump

[Drone]

is it gonna be deity based? good guys gonna right what once went wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjK9GJMBpt0

[Humerox]

Teams? I'd have to make time to come back. Good or newt...leaning newt but then again I pretty much always go with the underdogs.

[Lowlife]

evil human cleric

[SamwiseRed]

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