Why Red has such a low pop

[Syft]

Dear Rogean & Nilbog,

I know you cant legally make any money off server, but you can legally make money off the Wiki banner's and advertisements, and more red players= more clicks= more revenue. Now catering to blues by making red more blue is not gonna help attract new player's. Let's face it the guys who want to play on red are mostly oldschool pvp server player's from original EQ.

And it's not the OOC making them not wanna play, it's not the hostile environment and ruthless pvp. Basically all the shit that makes you guys not want to play, a red player jerks off too.

What makes people not want to play HERE is the BS coding that resembles nothing classic. So a true hardcore red player logs on and says WTF is this BS and quits. Now some things need unique coding like traks teeth(because on live there wasn't 1000 of these things floating around getting blown 20 times a day. But the spell coding you shouldn't fuck with.

I'll give ya a quick list

5% random land never existed on live was more like 2% with high resists

Fire & Cold this shit did not land on live when you pushed the 160 mark, ya can't have sunstrikes landing like lures shits dumb as fuck.

Highsun was a worthless spell on live ya can't give a class that can escape everything a 3 sec lockdown stun that strips cmon that's common sense.

Mage Pet's You cannot make mage pet's land everything those fucken pets are two nasty to give them a land everything root and epic stun. Mages have a malo line on live they had to use it here u make a mage AI easy mode.

Jboot spell refresh, melee haste vs 2 second wait is some BS. Not to mention it lets to many casters pull a gate off because after you hit um ya gotta wait till gate is almost over to hit an interrupt. Lets to many people escape, when they should go splat!

Instant click Mania: to many of these items in circulation and stocked up on for you to correct with drop rate or variance nerfs. Ya gotta put cast times on gate pots conflag wands. shouldn't let anybody win in PVP by acting blue that's not classic EQ by any means. nobody on classic was gate poting everytime they were in trouble or trak toothing/conflag/golem wanding someone 5 times a day.

Epics on Noobs: Ya got a real problem with noobs being griefed off by player's who epic out lvl 20's no one pre lvl 46 should be rocking an epic'd toon. Make it 46 or no equip.

[heartbrand]

FF14 real good

[Silent]

The main thing is epics on rogues, And if you can't deal with that I dunno what to say. Yeah people have alt epic rogues they are very easy to obtain. Level past them. Gate pots, Golem wands, whatever. Highsun should be fixed for sure, shits dumb but I don't expect anything done about it. People have brought up these issues and more before in the past months repeatedly. We are stuck with what we have for now. Trak tooth are hilarious imo, especially when you get toothed and still live. And even if you die to one, I personally don't consider it a kill.

[Rec]

What are some of the examples of making red more blue?

[Syft]

The main thing is epics on rogues, And if you can't deal with that I dunno what to say. Yeah people have alt epic rogues they are very easy to obtain. Level past them. Gate pots, Golem wands, whatever. Highsun should be fixed for sure, shits dumb but I don't expect anything done about it. People have brought up these issues and more before in the past months repeatedly. We are stuck with what we have for now. Trak tooth are hilarious imo, especially when you get toothed and still live. And even if you die to one, I personally don't consider it a kill.

I don't care about epic'd rogues whatsoever, but for new players here that shit aint fair man, a day 1 guy don't stand a chance vs that.

True a lot of this stuff was classic but people on classic weren't making sure they farmed it daily. Basically it wasn't everywhere it was once in a blue moon kinda stuff here it's everyday everywhere.

And all of that will turn off a red player new to the box.

[runlvlzero]

Yeah, I ran into that shit later on in EQ a lot, with deleveld pks. But on live shit was rare year 1-2... kinda don't care how "classic" shit is, lets replicate that feel. Not to mention those PK's had to fight versus 20, non-twinked players. They might get lucky and get a few ganks, but they couldn't log on every 45 mins to troll 1 solo noob in rags.

Don't have to be an ace to know what sportsmanship is. Buncha fuckin retards on this server don't give blue players a chance.

Well yeah, everyone starts from a blue perspective almost. Even the reddest of the red did back in the day. But it was a lot less prevalent and discouraging.

To say "suck it up, your not cut out for red" is to sell people short. Maybe their not. But they should be answering that question around level 40, not level 15.

I think its kinda dumb how everyone takes the cop out, roll a level 55 druid and twink a fungi + epic. Its like everyones cop out for TMO on blue. Bluebie behavior.

Its the bluest of the blue to roll a twinked fungi rogue in unrest for that matter. Prove you can dunk, don't prove you can invest 2 years time into an alt.

[Syft]

What are some of the examples of making red more blue?

Farming items like conflag wands/golem wands/ gate pots and traks tooth one button clicks that decide pvp. So you killed an npc an that let you destroy a player in pvp. Sounds blue as fuck to me.

[Not_Kazowi]

yeah clickies need to get fixed, i never remember anyone using soulfires on live. I dont think anyone but a paladin could even click it.

[XiakenjaTZ]

I'll give ya a quick list

5% random land never existed on live was more like 2% with high resists

Fire & Cold this shit did not land on live when you pushed the 160 mark, ya can't have sunstrikes landing like lures shits dumb as fuck.

Highsun was a worthless spell on live ya can't give a class that can escape everything a 3 sec lockdown stun that strips cmon that's common sense.

Mage Pet's You cannot make mage pet's land everything those fucken pets are two nasty to give them a land everything root and epic stun. Mages have a malo line on live they had to use it here u make a mage AI easy mode.

Jboot spell refresh, melee haste vs 2 second wait is some BS. Not to mention it lets to many casters pull a gate off because after you hit um ya gotta wait till gate is almost over to hit an interrupt. Lets to many people escape, when they should go splat!

Instant click Mania: to many of these items in circulation and stocked up on for you to correct with drop rate or variance nerfs. Ya gotta put cast times on gate pots conflag wands. shouldn't let anybody win in PVP by acting blue that's not classic EQ by any means. nobody on classic was gate poting everytime they were in trouble or trak toothing/conflag/golem wanding someone 5 times a day.

Epics on Noobs: Ya got a real problem with noobs being griefed off by player's who epic out lvl 20's no one pre lvl 46 should be rocking an epic'd toon. Make it 46 or no equip.[/QUOTE]

I also agree on the soul fire charges. Make it Paladin only.

Please do these things. Lets not kid ourselves that we are playing in 99. Some things should be fixed for the health of the server. We all know too much about the game and all farm the same game breaking loots.

Badger

[Dacuk]

solid list Syft - I agree with all points

/signed

[HippoNipple]

Still melees own the server but every change is about casters.

[Dacuk]

Still melees own the server but every change is about casters.

if you look at the pvp leaderboard, 4 out of the top 20 are melees so not sure what you are basing that on. 9 out of the top 20 are wizards.

[Syft]

if you look at the pvp leaderboard, 4 out of the top 20 are melees so not sure what you are basing that on. 9 out of the top 20 are wizards.

Most of the changes do address casters that why I asked for jboots CD refresh which was classic because if you changed all those other things casters would suck hardcore without it.

[Elderan]

I really think there are 3 separate issues which need to be addressed to really get this server bringing people in again.

Issue #1 - Resists are still out of whack, we know this and it is not a simple fix.
Issue #2 - Clickies, there are far too many easy to acquire clickies which cause far to many issues. Golem wands, conflag wands, mage wands, soul fires, trak teeth and many more I cannot think of right now.
Issue #3 - There are not many leveling groups because there are no safe areas. We need to assign an area as a safe area so people who are rolling in new have some place they can go experience and not get ganked.

I still don't understand why people think Red should or would have a large population. In live only 5% of the players in EQ played red servers. So the fact that red gets 10-18% of blues population on any given night is actually doing better then it should be.

However I still think with the right changes red could add 200 more people playing a night pretty easily.

[Stasis01]

Great list. This has been going on since root nets in perma when roots would land for like 30% of the time since most people had around 110 MR unbuffed/shit MR coding - They just don't get it.

LOL Elderan same old lines. Maybe because of the early population, and all the people/crews that have quit - something you have no context of.

[Stasis01]

Insta plugging and shit, they wanted to put in code to remove zone pluggers when people would just IP exemption log out all day.

There's been gimmicky buggy shti since day #1 - completely frustrating aspect of the box PVP wise and why a lot of people have dropped off over the time IMO.

30vs30 fights are over in 5 minutes, everyone drops instantly. Garbage.

[krazyGlue]

I love
Mrbigs

[Elderan]

Great list. This has been going on since root nets in perma when roots would land for like 30% of the time since most people had around 110 MR unbuffed/shit MR coding - They just don't get it.

LOL Elderan same old lines. Maybe because of the early population, and all the people/crews that have quit - something you have no context of.

Stasis...

You want to make changes to bring back the OLD players.
I want to make changes to bring in NEW players.

Trying to appease old players to bring them back is fools gold. Most of these players at this point would never play long term no matter the changes. The players you are referring to have been going from pvp box to box for years and they are not the type of people who will hold onto one thing for a long time. Also at most you would bring in a very small amount of old players, 30-50 in my estimation and most wont last long. Adding something like variance would very well cause the sever to lose 20-30 people also. So your net changes are minimal.

Making changes to bring in NEW players is clearly the way to go. Group exp bonus, removal or hybird exp penalty, safe zones could easily add 100+ new players a night. Doing something radical like releasing Velious on RED 1-2 months before blue would be a HUGE boost in the population. Yes you would not keep all of the players once blue got Velious but you might keep 20% or so which would be worth it.

[heartbrand]

Variance is dumb and has been proven dumb on every server in the history of eq. Not sure why were talkin about it on a 60 person server where no one else can even kill the mobs uncontested as if somehow 400 people are on the fence waiting for variance to join.

Also ff14 really good.

[Syft]

I really think there are 3 separate issues which need to be addressed to really get this server bringing people in again.

Issue #1 - Resists are still out of whack, we know this and it is not a simple fix.
Issue #2 - Clickies, there are far too many easy to acquire clickies which cause far to many issues. Golem wands, conflag wands, mage wands, soul fires, trak teeth and many more I cannot think of right now.
Issue #3 - There are not many leveling groups because there are no safe areas. We need to assign an area as a safe area so people who are rolling in new have some place they can go experience and not get ganked.

I still don't understand why people think Red should or would have a large population. In live only 5% of the players in EQ played red servers. So the fact that red gets 10-18% of blues population on any given night is actually doing better then it should be.

However I still think with the right changes red could add 200 more people playing a night pretty easily.

There are tons of players that come from oldschool pvp server's that would love to play here, people from guilds like Hate, Tow, Ascending Dawn, Black Crown, Ruin etc
But these players here about the UNIQUE non classic coding and say fuck that noise.

Sorry but I'm not trying to get blue's to transfer over lol I'm trying to get new player's to red.

To be honest Blue player's on red does nothing for the wiki traffic, but new players
is more clicks. Your not asking for new player's your asking for blue player's.

I could fill server up to 500 easy as fuck by just posting on guild forums about this server, but since the environment and coding resembles nothing like RZ,VZ,TZ, or SZ. There not gonna stay.

Your guild using trak's teeth to grief everyone off lvl 50+ content also doesn't help.

[Syft]

Variance is dumb and has been proven dumb on every server in the history of eq. Not sure why were talkin about it on a 60 person server where no one else can even kill the mobs uncontested as if somehow 400 people are on the fence waiting for variance to join.

Also ff14 really good.



But I never said variance was why people aren't joining did you even read the post?

[Elderan]

Your guild using trak's teeth to grief everyone off lvl 50+ content also doesn't help.

I have seen you use the trak teeth thing far too much. Golem wands are just as powerful as trak teeth and they come off a level 35 mob and 12 can drop in a given day.

At most 5 trak teeth drop every 3 days. 5 kills in 3 days is not exactly game breaking. I personally would not have a problem with trak teeth being nerfed in PVP, however I would have a problem if they are nerfed and Golem Wands are not.

[Colgate]

elderan literal retard

[Swish]

I think clickables should be disabled on Wednesdays, Fridays and every second Sat/Sun...with the exception of the 13th of the month.

Now, please implement this because what I think matters.

[Syft]

Stasis...

You want to make changes to bring back the OLD players.
I want to make changes to bring in NEW players.

Trying to appease old players to bring them back is fools gold. Most of these players at this point would never play long term no matter the changes. The players you are referring to have been going from pvp box to box for years and they are not the type of people who will hold onto one thing for a long time. Also at most you would bring in a very small amount of old players, 30-50 in my estimation and most wont last long. Adding something like variance would very well cause the sever to lose 20-30 people also. So your net changes are minimal.

Making changes to bring in NEW players is clearly the way to go. Group exp bonus, removal or hybird exp penalty, safe zones could easily add 100+ new players a night. Doing something radical like releasing Velious on RED 1-2 months before blue would be a HUGE boost in the population. Yes you would not keep all of the players once blue got Velious but you might keep 20% or so which would be worth it.

Your suggesting things with a hidden agenda you don't want to bring in new or old players you want to transfer blue players to red so you can replenish Nihilum's very depleted ranks.

Which does nothing for wiki traffic which helps server revenue not at all!

Everyone who used to play here literally stated in thousands of threads this is why they left, and any new player's I talk to about server hear about resist coding here and say that's stupid!

Safe zones would be horrible for server no red player's want to be safe they want low lvl pvp to break up that boring grind they just don't want to get one shot backstabbed by a lvl 20 guy with an epic.

I'm suggesting things that will help Rogean gain revenue and the server gain population, your suggesting things that will help your guild.

I have seen you use the trak teeth thing far too much. Golem wands are just as powerful as trak teeth and they come off a level 35 mob and 12 can drop in a given day.

At most 5 trak teeth drop every 3 days. 5 kills in 3 days is not exactly game breaking. I personally would not have a problem with trak teeth being nerfed in PVP, however I would have a problem if they are nerfed and Golem Wands are not.

That's 10 player's that can be wiped out a week by clicking a button, and you don't see how something like that could grief player's off the box? That's roughly 450 player's that have died due to button click in the last 9 month's since you guys have had trak on steady rotation.

I srsly doubt you'd feel the same way if other guilds had access to Trak Teeth.

[Andis]

only way nihi kills FF is trak teeth and icy wands and conflag wands

nerf trak teeth, the end

[Elderan]

Your suggesting things with a hidden agenda you don't want to bring in new or old players you want to transfer blue players to red so you can replenish Nihilum's very depleted ranks.

Which does nothing for wiki traffic which helps server revenue not at all!

Everyone who used to play here literally stated in thousands of threads this is why they left, and any new player's I talk to about server hear about resist coding here and say that's stupid!

Safe zones would be horrible for server no red player's want to be safe they want low lvl pvp to break up that boring grind they just don't want to get one shot backstabbed by a lvl 20 guy with an epic.

I'm suggesting things that will help Rogean gain revenue and the server gain population, your suggesting things that will help your guild.

Really.... Nihilum is doing very well on members right now. We are fine.

What I want to see is people leveling and grouping a ton more then they do now. This makes a server strong. Before you can have more pvp you need more people and to get more people you need more NEW people who are leveling and grouping.

I don't care if they are blue, red or purple. When you come to red you are red. What I don't want to focus on is those VZTZ retreads burnouts who have been bouncing from server to server for years. You will NEVER make them happy or keep them long term.

Let me break it down.

# Fixing resist (Making them classic) I estimate brings in/back maybe 20-30 more people a night.
# Fixing clickables (nerfing what we have talk about) I estimate brings in 5-10 more people a night.
# Making server more group friendly (Ideas I mentioned above) I estimate would bring in 100-125 more people a night
# Releasing Velious on Red 2 months before Blue (We wont keep the people perm but some will stay) I estimate red will get 400 more people a night during those 2 months and then 20% will hang around. So I estimate this would gain red 80-100 more people a night.

My suggested changes should boost us to 300-350 active population a night which most agree is a good target number.

[HippoNipple]

if you look at the pvp leaderboard, 4 out of the top 20 are melees so not sure what you are basing that on. 9 out of the top 20 are wizards.


Casters can gate and easily get away in most situations. Casters can gank players easier. This helps them get easy kills and boost points but when pvp matters Melee are still very powerful on this server.

[Syft]

Really.... Nihilum is doing very well on members right now. We are fine.

What I want to see is people leveling and grouping a ton more then they do now. This makes a server strong. Before you can have more pvp you need more people and to get more people you need more NEW people who are leveling and grouping.

I don't care if they are blue, red or purple. When you come to red you are red. What I don't want to focus on is those VZTZ retreads burnouts who have been bouncing from server to server for years. You will NEVER make them happy or keep them long term.

Let me break it down.

# Fixing resist (Making them classic) I estimate brings in/back maybe 20-30 more people a night.
# Fixing clickables (nerfing what we have talk about) I estimate brings in 5-10 more people a night.
# Making server more group friendly (Ideas I mentioned above) I estimate would bring in 100-125 more people a night
# Releasing Velious on Red 2 months before Blue (We wont keep the people perm but some will stay) I estimate red will get 400 more people a night during those 2 months and then 20% will hang around. So I estimate this would gain red 80-100 more people a night.

My suggested changes should boost us to 300-350 active population a night which most agree is a good target number.

FACT One guild farming all high lvl content and locking other player's out has caused more server's to die in MMO's than anything else.

When your guild has contributed more to the server's low pop and you blindly and illogically ignore that fact I doubt you know what will help the server.

FACT there have been more posts about resist coding and instant clicks than any other subject about population here.

In RL when people keep discussing the same thing and asking for the same thing we call that a statistic. It's how poll's are formed and facts established.

What your suggesting is conjecture based on nothing but your opinion.

[ChubbyBubbles]

Lol @ safe zones.

http://www.picgifs.com/glitter-graphics/glitter-graphics/ariel/glitter-graphics-ariel-106574.gif

[mostbitter]

Safe zones are what ruined eq pvp. I hate you Elderan

[Elderan]

FACT One guild farming all high lvl content and locking other player's out has caused more server's to die in MMO's than anything else.

Except on Veeshan we killed everything for years. No one got a dragon kill but FOH until well into Velious. Yet there were 2k people a night on. In almost all cases one guild dominated the high end content, yet the servers still had high population.

When your guild has contributed more to the server's low pop and you blindly and illogically ignore that fact I doubt you know what will help the server.

It all depends on perception. If you come to this server and expect to kill raid mobs and don't join Nihilum then you are most likely going to quit. Sure this is Nihilums fault, but it would be the fault of any guild who was on top.

FACT there have been more posts about resist coding and instant clicks than any other subject about population here.

In RL when people keep discussing the same thing and asking for the same thing we call that a statistic. It's how poll's are formed and facts established.

Sure it is a big topic, and it needs to be addressed. However its the single most complicated issue they could possibly address. I am thinking better bang for the buck so to speak. They could spend months on changes resist or spend hours on changing something else which would bring in tons of people also.

What your suggesting is conjecture based on nothing but your opinion.
I base my opinion on 17 years of hardcore MMO experience. I also have 13 years of software development experience in the professional world. I know how to prioritize things and what makes for the best effect.

I never say anything without facts to back it up.

[heartbrand]

FACT One guild farming all high lvl content and locking other player's out has caused more server's to die in MMO's than anything else.

When your guild has contributed more to the server's low pop and you blindly and illogically ignore that fact I doubt you know what will help the server.

FACT there have been more posts about resist coding and instant clicks than any other subject about population here.

In RL when people keep discussing the same thing and asking for the same thing we call that a statistic. It's how poll's are formed and facts established.

What your suggesting is conjecture based on nothing but your opinion.

GO PLAY A GAME WITH INSTANCES U FAGGOT

edit: i suggest ff14 gud game

[mostbitter]

tough talk coming from the guy who ran to a guild more than twice the size of any other so he could sit in zones with only friendlies.

[valithteezee]

This is pretty much what is wrong with the server and what needs to happen to fix it.

[heartbrand]

dunno dawg I was on the losing side the majority of my time here and I didnt take to the forums crying for variance so we would get a better shot @ naggy, I manned up and tried 2 get people together to kill nilly, and ALLEGEDLY may have trained them.

[Syft]

dunno dawg I was on the losing side the majority of my time here and I didnt take to the forums crying for variance so we would get a better shot @ naggy, I manned up and tried 2 get people together to kill nilly, and ALLEGEDLY may have trained them.

Your the only one crying about blue shit and variance which this post has literally nothing to do with. Like variance would do a damn thing when you guys just use hack compiles to know when every mob is up in the world anyways, and mirc the info off the dummy account running it so you don't get caught derp you guys don't even hide it well.

GO PLAY A GAME WITH INSTANCES U FAGGOT

edit: i suggest ff14 gud game

Your the best geared warrior on the server and you need a soulfire and trak's tooth just to kill anyone. And you beg for help even when faced with lvl 52's.

If anyone here is a faggot it's the man in your mirror.

Except on Veeshan we killed everything for years. No one got a dragon kill but FOH until well into Velious. Yet there were 2k people a night on. In almost all cases one guild dominated the high end content, yet the servers still had high population.

Veeshan was a blue server!!! That literally has no relevance to what were talking about I feel like your having a different discussion than the rest of us.

P.S. This is too Sirken often I've heard you say you need to sift through the Bs on post's to get to any real facts or good suggestions, well if you take a look at most threads, It's a lot of people making sense and 10 Nihilum shitting up the thread with nonsense, so if you want to easy read important stuff throw them on ignore.

[Andis]

The trak teeth used by multiple nihi a night, ruins servers pvp

fact

[Andis]

golem wand and trak tooth not comparable, not even in the slightest

[Nirgon]

People were busy doing other things than farming Kunark for years re: consumables. Deal with it.

Epics are already reported with evidence.

Resist of the shit is a big duh.

[Nirgon]

17 years of hardcore experience

Doesn't play his own char on a 100 pop server botb

I don't even

[krazyGlue]

Take my epic . Go for it. Mrbigs was doing work waaay befor he had an epic =} I have a efreetie spear for this reason . Come at
Me broS

[Elderan]

17 years of hardcore experience

Doesn't play his own char on a 100 pop server botb

I don't even

Jesus dude...

My daughter had an exhibition at her gymnastics class at 10am, then she had a dance recital at 5pm that day. The BoTB was scheduled for 1pm. I had already signed up, and instead of being a no show I asked if Nizzar wanted to play me a few days before the event.

Not sure what you expected me to do.

[Stasis01]

Cast is right, it's pointless.

People aren't even arguing with the Nihilum crew, just drones. Arguing with HB over Nihilum/the box is probably the most hilarious waste of time here. All these guys talking could vanish it wouldn't change a thing for the guild, devs almost certainly don't read it.

Rogean tried tho pals, was a good dream.

[lite]

Variqnce. Long as there's a second guild server prospers, soon as its gone pop plummits. Basically impossible to make a second guild thrive with such small population compared to live servers.

[Rec]

There's a thing scheduled for saturday night, why do people feel so hopeless?

[lite]

I have no interest of returning without variance of some sort. I don't mean to sound arrogant but I have a.pretty strong following. 2nd to nilly I'd say. My pressence is relevent to box.numbers. gms need.to identify what isnt working much sooner, and need.to get.proactive.when server is thriving. Not as a last resort after.it.goes from almost 200 per night to barely 100.

[Andis]

pop spiked cuz of exp bonus

now that it was lowered, or taken away, pop dropped

its that simple.

[lite]

I personally will be listening to the stream, but I am afraid most people don't understand the dynamics of this box. The politics of trying to herd cats, combined with Kunark's easily monopolized terrain, and tiny numbers. Special accommodations need to be made to this special circumstances box.

[lite]

I will just exit this thread with that. Andis and mornin quickly reminded me of the kind of opinions you have to deal with in open forum discussion.

[Andis]

whats up? whats the question?

[s1ckness]

I have no interest of returning without variance of some sort. I don't mean to sound arrogant but I have a.pretty strong following. 2nd to nilly I'd say. My pressence is relevent to box.numbers. gms need.to identify what isnt working much sooner, and need.to get.proactive.when server is thriving. Not as a last resort after.it.goes from almost 200 per night to barely 100.

laughed irl

[Andis]

I have no interest of returning without variance of some sort. I don't mean to sound arrogant but I have a.pretty strong following. 2nd to nilly I'd say. My pressence is relevent to box.numbers. gms need.to identify what isnt working much sooner, and need.to get.proactive.when server is thriving. Not as a last resort after.it.goes from almost 200 per night to barely 100.

powered and max still log in - andis dropped max in ferrott other day 1v1 i had fun

[Andis]

since no one cares about contesting nihilum too much atm, everyone broke into their own little pvp guilds, doing what us pvpers like to do...pvp

pretty sure the majority had enough of nihilum and their pve skills, so for now we let them farm server while the rest of us have fun pvpin lol


if you guys really care about contesting, we would need everyone on the same page, and the guild politics dropped

god gave each of us a set of skills, with the right work and communication, shit can get done.

till then have fun pvpin eachother


dunno bout you guys, I'm having a blast getting trak toothed daily

[lite]

powered and max still log in - andis dropped max in ferrott other day 1v1 i had fun

what does that have to do with the thread? Get over yourself, for fucks sake. I will suck everyone on red's dick if for once in your life you enter a conversation not talking about yourself.

[krazyGlue]

andis that sounds stupid!.. why would you pvp on a Red server

[Andis]

lol was just a funny

Im all ears

see the post I made after that one - for conversation starter

[jcmtg]

# Releasing Velious on Red 2 months before Blue

Cute idea. I say they try it.

[runlvlzero]

GO PLAY A GAME WITH INSTANCES U FAGGOT

edit: i suggest ff14 gud game

HB already playin wow, he needs friends to group with in his instances.

[Andis]

why server pop is low:

-some people taking break
-exp bonus was removed

there were a bunch of new players who loaded in game to try it out when exp was increased. now that it is gone, these new players stopped logging in

[Andis]

why server is not appealing:

sickpuppy and other twinks load in unrest on their epicd rogs and gank, these new players that are giving red a shot.

you gank these people and they log off and wont log back in


reason 2: 40+ nihi login on raid day to slay all the mobs. they know the exact timing of when their precious pixels will be spawning, so the 40+ drones go in and make sure nizzar loots his 20th trak bp for re$ale

I know Red was supposed to not have variance to support pvp for raid mobs, but given this population and this god-damn circumstance (nihi) its just not working. (sirken pls read this)

[runlvlzero]

I'm tryin to play but you 60's will most likely not see me in range for years... thats another problem as well. Not enough pop to support every play style. This is not a personal complaint. I'm just using myself as an example of a type of player that is not immediately #1 60 BIS with 6 chars on the box.

Heck not sure how bad tradeskills are broken right now... but that could put a crimp in some peoples playstyle too. Stuff like combines being broken on and off repeatedly.

*** Maybe its because i'm unwilling to 2box and cheat/exploit the game. I don' know. lot of people got to 60 BIS in very cheep ways. Hence the HUGE majority screaming for WIPE.

[runlvlzero]

why server is not appealing:

sickpuppy and other twinks load in unrest on their epicd rogs and gank, these new players that are giving red a shot.

you gank these people and they log off and wont log back in


reason 2: 40+ nihi login on raid day to slay all the mobs. they know the exact timing of when their precious pixels will be spawning, so the 40+ drones go in and make sure nizzar loots his 20th trak bp for re$ale

I know Red was supposed to not have variance to support pvp for raid mobs, but given this population and this god-damn circumstance (nihi) its just not working. (sirken pls read this)


For a bluebie all it takes is once. They cant become red if they cant have fun pvp at level 1.-30 because they don't know what good stuff to look forward to.

Right now they are only seeing the worst of the worst and quitting immediately.

Ya'll seriously wanna do the box some good, use banded, a few peices of MR gear,a nd something like SBDs and play fair. Go ahead and bag those epics for when trollface nili alts come on.

In other competitive games, like quake and even IRL bowling, people play with handicaps vs noobs. Ya'll are a bunch of scum of the earth though.

Most of the unrest twinks would have quit after 1 gank had it been them in their shoes. But no nice people like me hand held them through guk and seb and the server was a lot less hostile.

Nice way to pay it back dipshits.

[Bazia]

pvp just to pvp gets boring is why people dont play

need a guild doing big things other then nihi, same old story

[runlvlzero]

pvp just to pvp gets boring is why people dont play

need a guild doing big things other then nihi, same old story

Or something more fun to pvp about... item loot. w/e

[Andis]

no item loot is not fun, i hate people who think item loot is good, its fucking not

dunno bout u, but id rather fight during pvp, then bag my good gear just in case.

shits stupid. get gear like normal, get levels, grps, gear

[runlvlzero]

I'm open to other non-classic ideas to give pvp a lil more meaning then who can YT who. I like the idea of being able to get EXP potions from pvp that are trade able. Or something like a "fungi regen" potion. Either through some honor point system or token turn in system. Of course the 60 BIS'ers will not want anything to boost anyones PVE so they can become more of a threat.

[Silikten]

First off, Cast is never right. He's literally mentally insane.

Second, everyone is saying the same thing in this thread. Not sure if srs or dumb. I, personally, think elderans ideas are pretty solid (the first post he made). Those are key points to this server.

Also, Nihilum is slowly, but surely, getting owned on a daily basis (if you saw HB's 6 epic/vp 60s vs 9 poorly geared mid 50s stream). We're not even 60 yet. Don't fret pals!

[Andis]

Def, this past weeks pvp has been fun

mid 50s shitting on nihilum vp gear 60s

just gonna take time to level lol, ive been through this shit 3 times over lol

[Elderan]

Def, this past weeks pvp has been fun

mid 50s shitting on nihilum vp gear 60s

just gonna take time to level lol, ive been through this shit 3 times over lol

Nihilum has 72 kills to 18 deaths since Sunday of this week.

[Rec]

New players can handle getting ganked, they just can't handle being ganked constantly. On Sullon Zek there was an ebb and flow to the people who showed up to kill leveling areas. Zones had it's own defenders against solo'ers, groups showed up to chase out any real greater coordination. The population of the server didn't start to die till they added the pop books and that ebb and flow went right out the window.

[Andis]

Andis,

Why you always running from mid 50s wizard 1v1?

good one

[runlvlzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S93T5z9eCVg

[runlvlzero]

New players can handle getting ganked, they just can't handle being ganked constantly. On Sullon Zek there was an ebb and flow to the people who showed up to kill leveling areas. Zones had it's own defenders against solo'ers, groups showed up to chase out any real greater coordination. The population of the server didn't start to die till they added the pop books and that ebb and flow went right out the window.

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.

[Elderan]

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.

Agreed, the solution to pvp is to first get more people playing on the box.

Group exp bonus
Remove hybird exp penalty
Safe zones
Classic resist
Nerf clickies

[Agatha]

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.


im pretty much done being the facilitator of guild merges and putting guilds on my back personally, its tired me out. so i will be a loner from now on. If there is nihilum pvp shoot me a tell, if you want to exp, shoot me a tell. I just cant do it anymore for everyone else. Someone elses job from now on.

also, if you want to be the dude who brings this server back from the brink and raises a army to combat nihilum, i leveled up characters anon, and would exp with people i could confirm were new, and would then "join" my guild with them together. without leveling up those cleric chanters along side the new pop they never make it past 30. Just something to think about.

[timhutton]

You guys are insane for thinking there are so many people that want to play on this server.

With the perfect ruleset, the perfect community, and all of the people who started and quit with intentions of playing long term back you're looking at 300-400 people tops.

EQ PvP has NEVER been anywhere as close to as popular as PVE, and blue pulls in ~1000 players on a good night. Best case scenario for red is getting maybe a 1/3rd of that.

This is a dead game we play bros, new blood is not coming in at a fast pace, and all the old blood together is only going to combine for a given fraction of what blue has, just like happened on live.

It's never happened, it will never happen. Enjoy what we've got.

(I'm not saying it can't be better, but I think the idea of having blue-like population on the box and every zone full and inviting to new players is a pipe-dream. Players are always going to be soloing at low levels here because of nobody to group with. Any change or event would only be temporary at best).

[runlvlzero]

Agreed, the solution to pvp is to first get more people playing on the box.

Group exp bonus
Remove hybird exp penalty
Safe zones
Classic resist
Nerf clickies

Pras Elderan and his good posts throughout this thread.

im pretty much done being the facilitator of guild merges and putting guilds on my back personally, its tired me out. so i will be a loner from now on. If there is nihilum pvp shoot me a tell, if you want to exp, shoot me a tell. I just cant do it anymore for everyone else. Someone elses job from now on.

also, if you want to be the dude who brings this server back from the brink and raises a army to combat nihilum, i leveled up characters anon, and would exp with people i could confirm were new, and would then "join" my guild with them together. without leveling up those cleric chanters along side the new pop they never make it past 30. Just something to think about.

I hear you. I'm pretty much an antisocial player but I try to overcome that myself. I don't think the focus needs to be on getting newbz into the endgame or pushing them in a direction.

A quick PL to ten doesn't hurt. But if I got on Vari or Niem, or took over Miria and dedicated my time to constant PLing it would probably hurt the server more.

I'm all in favor of people having a lot of random alts though. But having a few different alts to pvp in many diff zones is a huge time investment I'm not currently willing to undertake having chars locked at a specific level yet. I don't have a main even.

So I don't blame you or anyone from Lite, to Max, to Sam, to the Swedes for not coaching new players. There's not enough of us to do it.

*** Quick update, not that being antisocial is bad, but Red99 does attract more antisocial people then blue. The demographics of this server are nothing like live or blue.

[runlvlzero]

You guys are insane for thinking there are so many people that want to play on this server.

With the perfect ruleset, the perfect community, and all of the people who started and quit with intentions of playing long term back you're looking at 300-400 people tops.

EQ PvP has NEVER been anywhere as close to as popular as PVE, and blue pulls in ~1000 players on a good night. Best case scenario for red is getting maybe a 1/3rd of that.

This is a dead game we play bros, new blood is not coming in at a fast pace, and all the old blood together is only going to combine for a given fraction of what blue has, just like happened on live.

It's never happened, it will never happen. Enjoy what we've got.

(I'm not saying it can't be better, but I think the idea of having blue-like population on the box and every zone full and inviting to new players is a pipe-dream. Players are always going to be soloing at low levels here because of nobody to group with. Any change or event would only be temporary at best).

Then box should be instant 51 (non planar gear) or get rid of the boring part of the game for returning pvpers. /testbuff to 25 with reasonable MR gear and kunark weapons.

[heartbrand]

Then box should be instant 51 (non planar gear) or get rid of the boring part of the game for returning pvpers. /testbuff to 25 with reasonable MR gear and kunark weapons.

holy fuck thank god staff doesnt listen to you

[runlvlzero]

http://i.imgur.com/Be4cjNq.jpg

Keep thinking concretely. I provided multiple options that are not concrete. You keep complaining about having to bribe people into your favor'd guild of the month. /testbuff to 25 with bloodstained mantle would alleviate a lot of your hardship. The reason I display the ignore screen shot is so you don't feel the need to needlessly reply to what you think is my needless opinion. Which is what you do. A lot. Much like Dullah =)

[runlvlzero]

Seary bringing lots of whitespace to the table. Definitely will help bring up population.

[heartbrand]

This man makes a good point. Ya'll need to stop embarrassing yourselves in this thread.

Coach ff14 just don't feel complete without you dawg

[heartbrand]

http://i.imgur.com/Be4cjNq.jpg

Keep thinking concretely. I provided multiple options that are not concrete. You keep complaining about having to bribe people into your favor'd guild of the month. /testbuff to 25 with bloodstained mantle would alleviate a lot of your hardship. The reason I display the ignore screen shot is so you don't feel the need to needlessly reply to what you think is my needless opinion. Which is what you do. A lot. Much like Dullah =)

Nice I got a forum killshot

[Casezilla]

My experience starting on this server this month: the few people I run into in PvP range are almost all either twinks or downleveled toons with tons of resist gear. I'm almost never able to land spells on these guys, so all I can really do is try to avoid PvP.

I think teams could help as then there'd at least be some folks around not out to gank you.

Not sure about the suggestion to change resists to make casters even weaker. As an enchanter I already feel like I'm going to be pretty useless in PvP against anyone with decent MR (i.e. everyone).

[Grozz]

I think rangers and necromancers is to powerfull atm, they will need more nerfing in pvp ( irony )

[mostbitter]

the problem with the box is four fold right now.

The resist system is not classic and caters to zerging more than playing skillyfully, roots,snares landing far too often, partial resists non existant, highsun, stuns etc etc etc.

Most changes made in the interest of being more classic just take the fun out of the game and make content more difficult for the people outside of nihilum.

The player base is scummy as hell. There are undoubtedly 40+ people who started off in Red Dawn, VV, Azrael, Force, Classic, whatever and sold out everyone who helped them to join Nihilum and help Tune get loot for his alts. I have personally helped countless people who have betrayed me. That's the worst problem this server has is that even when people come to play here with the best intentions of helping the community, the community punishes them for it until those sorts of people have to adapt or quit.

The players don't trust the staff. I think it is pretty clear at this point that Nihilum cheated every bit as much as Holocaust. I think it is pretty clear that Arzak feeds them information related to resets and upcoming patches. It shows that the server still has no trust for the staff when decisions like Roggeh being restored polarize the server so much. The time for being fair about this has passed. That was the true death blow to the red99 project.

Work on that shit, or don't.

[heartbrand]

I just can't help but crack up every time I read you post something like that knowing you tried to steal my manastone and deleted my char which was used to port our guild to raids and to PL our guildies.

[Smedy]

everytime heartbrand posts i go http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu2mmedWYb1r4my9to1_400.gif

[heartbrand]

Cool story

[Loli Pops]

http://i.imgur.com/A44k8Y0.jpg

[lite]

everytime heartbrand posts i go http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu2mmedWYb1r4my9to1_400.gif


http://i.imgur.com/ADROz64.png

As essential for surfing the web as adblockers... get with the program.

[mostbitter]

I just can't help but crack up every time I read you post something like that knowing you tried to steal my manastone and deleted my char which was used to port our guild to raids and to PL our guildies.

that was your punishment for selling out to nihilum, too bad rogean decided to change the rules for you 20 hours later. Not sure why you find it funny. I am guessing you are not willing to admit you are part of the problem. If you hadn't been a two timing whore that would have never happened. Notice how none of the other people who have given me their info had that same issue?

[Nirgon]

You better take Heartbrand off ignore or I'm not donating to this shitty board anymore

[runlvlzero]

http://i.imgur.com/Be4cjNq.jpg

[heartbrand]

that was your punishment for selling out to nihilum, too bad rogean decided to change the rules for you 20 hours later. Not sure why you find it funny. I am guessing you are not willing to admit you are part of the problem. If you hadn't been a two timing whore that would have never happened. Notice how none of the other people who have given me their info had that same issue?


I guess that makes your recent app to nihilum all the more lolworthy

[Loli Pops]

I vote lol worthy.

[runlvlzero]

I would lol. I am really suprised my cleric account wasn't in Nihilum when I came back.

[heartbrand]

Mostbitter to nihilum?

he apped but it got rejected

[Syft]

he apped but it got rejected

But you took Anzy, Pierott, and Drakar???

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv88/Happa-Fate/Doctor%20Who%20Gifs/FaceSlap.gif

[runlvlzero]

they want people without free will, while sickpuppy can be an annoying douche sometimes, he has free will

[krazyGlue]

My theory on low population ... People like syft flood ooc with garbage 24.7 lowers pop by 25%

[lite]

the guy who had to get a voice modifier and create a new character in order to sneak into nihilum. Talking about people people not being accepted into nihilum....cheesus

[heartbrand]

Voice modifier? Sneak in? Lol u dum bro, big OJ asked me if I'd be interested in apping. I told him red dawn was done and I think it would be a good idea. He said it would be a tough sell and to go incognito at first. I didn't use voice changers or any shit like that. Tune knew who I was as did mellow and mostly everyone.

[Stinkum]

wow, heartbrand used voice modifiers to sneak into nihilum? Not surprised.

[nabsev]

HB link the voice mod you used

[Colgate]

Voice modifier? Sneak in? Lol u dum bro, big OJ asked me if I'd be interested in apping. I told him red dawn was done and I think it would be a good idea. He said it would be a tough sell and to go incognito at first. I didn't use voice changers or any shit like that. Tune knew who I was as did mellow and mostly everyone.

can vouch for seeing young ricardo being PLed by oddjob at like level 30

that was the only time he was safe in unrest

[lite]

http://i.imgur.com/Ag1bOob.png srsly, dont bother.

[Syft]

My theory on low population ... People like syft flood ooc with garbage 24.7 lowers pop by 25%

This from a guy who griefs off lowbs with an epic in unrest CLASSIC!

Sooo killing naked people new to the server is A OK! But OOC makes you wanna

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3772496+_9fdda045087e345ea455f3e1fefe1774.gif

[runlvlzero]

I honestly don't mind Syfts OOCs that much he's pretty tame compared to a lot of people. Myself included. Rarely ever curses or uses derogetory terms in /ooc.

[Syft]

I honestly don't mind Syfts OOCs that much he's pretty tame compared to a lot of people. Myself included. Rarely ever curses or uses derogetory terms in /ooc.

http://i.imgur.com/Z4trg.gif

Sickpuppy after hearing mean ooc

[Syft]

dunno dawg I was on the losing side the majority of my time here and I didnt take to the forums crying for variance so we would get a better shot @ naggy, I manned up and tried 2 get people together to kill nilly, and ALLEGEDLY may have trained them.

How Heartbrand views himself
http://www.entertainmentbuddha.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/f7938bd9-smush-kelloggs-cavill-superman-man-of-steel.jpg

How everyone else see's him
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/SwtNemesis/Retard.gif

[Loli Pops]

http://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/super-jew.jpg

[Syft]

http://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/super-jew.jpg

LMFAO Shekel Man!

[runlvlzero]

http://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/super-jew.jpg

[Aenor]

/thread

[Syft]

Lol I love this movie.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e4/Hebrew_Hammer_DVD_cover.jpg/215px-Hebrew_Hammer_DVD_cover.jpg

LMFAO great movie!

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbaq6xOpWV1qltub8o1_500.gif