Even the playing field!

[Syft]

Remove Trak Tooth from pvp!

I think VP gear, 24/7 playtime, and the largest numbers on the server is enough of an advantage in PvP, don't you?

[Dullah]

Agreed. And with it, golem wands and soulfires, which have the potential of healing/removing even more hp than a trak tooth's damage.

14 years later when everyone utilizes things like this, its time to remove the ability for any class to become a cleric + enchanter in pvp.

[Syft]

Agreed. And with it, golem wands and soulfires, which have the potential of healing/removing even more hp than a trak tooth's damage.

14 years later when everyone utilizes things like this, its time to remove the ability to be a cleric + enchanter in pvp.

I don't care whether you agree or disagree your Nihilum so your opinion to me matters NOT!

I'm pretty sure no one else gives a fuck what you have to say either!

[Elderan]

I don't care whether you agree or disagree your Nihilum so your opinion to me matters NOT!

I'm pretty sure no one else gives a fuck what you have to say either!

I have said MANY times..

Add 3 sec cast time to golem wands and make them lore.
Remove DD from trak tooth or just make it not usable in pvp.
Make ct gate potions lore.

[Dullah]

I don't care whether you agree or disagree your Nihilum so your opinion to me matters NOT!

I'm pretty sure no one else gives a fuck what you have to say either!

I care that you don't care, because you are somebody and you matter.

[heals4reals]

Add me to petition to remove teeth wands soulfires doing 50% someones life that drops in 5s every 3 days


Just ..



Heh..

[Blackbilly]

def remove the lifetap from trak tooth.
also like the idea of wands w/ cast time and making all that shit lore.

[Mingo]

1005 instant click lifetap x 7 per week on average is pretty stupid. It literally means that 2-3 people can be instantly killed in mass pvp by the guild farming the teeth every single week. It's worse than conflagration wands, blazing wands, golem wands, snare nets, etc. Really, really brainless to leave this item in game, in my opinion, custom or now it's completely gamechanging and discourages pvp.

[Colgate]

Ender - R99 BANNED
Destin - R99 BANNED
Skank - R99 BANNED
Ehud - R99 BANNED

[Syft]

Add me to petition to remove teeth wands soulfires doing 50% someones life that drops in 5s every 3 days


Just ..



Heh..

I'm all for wand removal as well but the Trak teeth NEED to GO! There having the biggest negative impact on this server!

[Nyrod]

+1 on non classic fixes to game to prevent full retard on pvp

[visage]

In Syft we trust

[Runya]

Although I'm wanded daily flag/golem/trak toothed etc I think those 400+ damage chinese stars nizzar "chucks" are just as faggy and should be included with these homo antics

[tehruoh]

Shits fucking vlassic dawg

[Gustoo]

I don't care whether you agree or disagree your Nihilum so your opinion to me matters NOT!

I'm pretty sure no one else gives a fuck what you have to say either!

That's a dumbass comment. Why do you have to be mean to a guy agreeing with your custom PvP ezmode requests? Start all toons lvl 60 IMO.

If you can't beat them, ask GMs to wipe the box or remove their advantages IMO. That's what eq is all about.

[Nizzarr]

Should also remove wildfires/frost and draughts from landing in pvp

[Vamael]

draughts landed in pvp on live too.

[Vamael]

in fact i recall sunfire being more resistant than draught, i used a lot of pillars and draughts and lures.

[heartbrand]

Is it just me or are half the threads just ways to "get back" at nihilum?

Nihilums too big so lets cap guild sizes. Nihilums unfair lets make teams. Nihilum gets all the mobs lets put in variance. Nihilums gear is too good lets wipe! Blah blah.

This is a MMO, make your own fun, you all claim to be here for pvp and hate pve so who gives a fuck what nihilum does or doesn't do? Why is that affecting your enjoyment of the game? Unless, you're just as blue as you claim them to be and want all the shinies as well. Face it, it doesn't matter what fancy ruleset you put in, how many times you wipe, classic eq caters to massive cock blocking by huge guilds. You don't like that? Try one of the many current MMO's on the market with instancing.

[SamwiseRed]

its not nihilums fault that new players are too weak to fight the opposition. players like elderan who join the server and immediately app nihilum without even trying. the problem is new players are too damn lazy to work for anything. people want instant gratification like this is WoW or something.

[Nirgon]

No clicky nerfs.

[heartbrand]

Why do people app nihilum? Is it because the other guilds last two weeks on average, have an average age of 20.5 and cater to stoner age college kids? Is it surprising that a family guy in his 30's would have no interest in being guilded with people like agatha or freez or lite, people he has nothing in common with? The average age of nihilum is closer to 30 if not slightly higher. You can't force people to guild with people they don't like.

[heals4reals]

Ya cus 5 trak teeth every 3 days on an extended kunark timeline hella legit dawg its all the master plan to get back at nihilum

[heals4reals]

Oh HB - Heresy not being led by lite or agatha or brobb just sayin

[heals4reals]

Neither was dentists

T t t rippplleee

[SamwiseRed]

Why do people app nihilum? Is it because the other guilds last two weeks on average, have an average age of 20.5 and cater to stoner age college kids? Is it surprising that a family guy in his 30's would have no interest in being guilded with people like agatha or freez or lite, people he has nothing in common with? The average age of nihilum is closer to 30 if not slightly higher. You can't force people to guild with people they don't like.

why not start and build their own guild? i have nothing against people like you or the old school nillys because you've done your time in the trenches. i just dont get how players like elderan can even speak about the state of the server because hes part of the problem. its a terrible excuse to app nilly because the opposition does drugs. to say there arent a bunch of potheads in nilly is a little redic man and you know it. its not like northwest didnt talk about getting head from another players child. plenty of pill poppers on both sides of the fence. so drugs and moranic activity arent exclusive to the non nillys.

i cant think of a time i didnt hear ezpk taking a bong hit when i was in vent with him lol.

[Dullah]

draughts landed in pvp on live too.

Sometimes. With buffs and resist gear, not often.

[SamwiseRed]

plain and simple, people will find whatever excuse to app nilly for ez mode. no work and all gain. its an awful system that caters to zergs. its eq at its worst but eq nonetheless. pras.

[heartbrand]

I've been on both sides, fags are all across the board for sure, but on average people are friendlier more mature and more willing to help you in nihilum than any other guild here, again on average. What people truly hate apparently is non instanced content. Almost every live server with the exception of ones with a calendar had one or two top guilds, though most only one, who got the vast majority of content. It's why no modern MMO will ever use non instanced content as their main source of progression. You can't run a successful game where 99% of your subscribers can't access it. No matter what rules you change here nihilum or whatever guild takes it place will find a way around them, it's the nature of classic eq.

[BrobbVZ]

Force was on the server for a few months HB. We just gave up and quit though realizing the server was a huge waste of time. I was poopsocking hard, and realized how pathetic that was. Said GG and moved on, don't try to play the leadership card HB.

Also, we started on this server from scratch, we were the new blood this server needed, we got to 60 and tried what we could. From getting killed in hate raids when we were 52, all the way up to being vastly outnumbered in the end of our days we just realized there is no point. Say what you will but we tried.

[heals4reals]

Half the people in heresy and friends don't need anything yet we help our new members to the box with farming loot crs ports acquiring gear planar etc. Because we rnt faggots.

Defending nihilum having 1 day raid monopoly so u can horde dkp for velious is sad and pathetic. Your greed and the greed of the others you call pals in game and fags out of game are the reason server is frustrating and not reaching its potential.

[heals4reals]

Ya brobb, we all had high hopes for you guys. I warned your entire crew of what was going to happen once u merged w maximillian and lite but you refused to take warning and said it was like a 10 man board of directors leading and thry had no real weight.

Live and learn I guess

[heartbrand]

Half the people in heresy and friends don't need anything yet we help our new members to the box with farming loot crs ports acquiring gear planar etc. Because we rnt faggots.

Defending nihilum having 1 day raid monopoly so u can horde dkp for velious is sad and pathetic. Your greed and the greed of the others you call pals in game and fags out of game are the reason server is frustrating and not reaching its potential.

Yaw pretty much confirms everything I said, this guy wants his pixels real bad and is mad as fuck that classic EQ makes that real hard. You should try WoW, it's a lot of fun, it's actually challenging unlike EQ, you can join a guild that has the same set raid times every week and everyone gets a shot @ the end game content, the only thing that determines your ability to progress in WoW is your skill not arbitrary things like who was FTE or who has the most people in their guild. Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/Heartbrand/simple

[Dullah]

WoW graphics starting to look real dated.

[heartbrand]

The panda models are pretty impressive as is the new areas and mobs, but the old character models are dated 100%

[Nads]

I always hated how chest, arms, waist, and leg armor models were molded on your toon as if they were spray-painted on.

[SamwiseRed]

I always hated how chest, arms, waist, and leg armor models were molded on your toon as if they were spray-painted on.

ye the one good thing about luclin models if your armor isnt just a skinned texture.

[runlvlzero]

Yaw pretty much confirms everything I said, this guy wants his pixels real bad and is mad as fuck that classic EQ makes that real hard. You should try WoW, it's a lot of fun, it's actually challenging unlike EQ, you can join a guild that has the same set raid times every week and everyone gets a shot @ the end game content, the only thing that determines your ability to progress in WoW is your skill not arbitrary things like who was FTE or who has the most people in their guild. Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/Heartbrand/simple

Chestplate of Violent Detonation - Reported to the NSA.

[heals4reals]

Yaw pretty much confirms everything I said, this guy wants his pixels real bad and is mad as fuck that classic EQ makes that real hard. You should try WoW, it's a lot of fun, it's actually challenging unlike EQ, you can join a guild that has the same set raid times every week and everyone gets a shot @ the end game content, the only thing that determines your ability to progress in WoW is your skill not arbitrary things like who was FTE or who has the most people in their guild. Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/Heartbrand/simple

I replied to you saying every non nilly is retarded and selfish and semi retarded with a post telling you were mature and help gear up our members even when we ourselves dont need anything - out of comraderie. And you make some half assed didnt read comment about wanting loot and playing WoW.

Strip removes 1 u srs or dumb

[Syft]

Yaw pretty much confirms everything I said, this guy wants his pixels real bad and is mad as fuck that classic EQ makes that real hard. You should try WoW, it's a lot of fun, it's actually challenging unlike EQ, you can join a guild that has the same set raid times every week and everyone gets a shot @ the end game content, the only thing that determines your ability to progress in WoW is your skill not arbitrary things like who was FTE or who has the most people in their guild. Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/Heartbrand/simple

Your a fool and your guild doesn't farm the gear to acquire new things but out of FEAR, your afraid of what other's will do when you dont' have a massive advantage.

I've killed so many of your guildmates in an advisor robe it's fucking pathetic, I've seen the what the best of you can do and I'm not impressed!

[heartbrand]

Your a fool and your guild doesn't farm the gear to acquire new things but out of FEAR, your afraid of what other's will do when you dont' have a massive advantage.

I've killed so many of your guildmates in an advisor robe it's fucking pathetic, I've seen the what the best of you can do and I'm not impressed!

Hard to get past first three words, "your a fool".

[runlvlzero]

Threads are the same http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119417 why do we need two of these?

[Syft]

Hard to get past first three words, "your a fool".

But it's so adequate when applied to you.

[Nirgon]

The panda models are pretty impressive as is the new areas and mobs, but the old character models are dated 100%

I hate you for at least 2 weeks

[Malevz]

I'm all for wand removal as well but the Trak teeth NEED to GO! There having the biggest negative impact on this server!

Citation needed.

[Nizzarr]

Syft is a wizard and think hes good for killing nihilum people.

Heres a protip: no matter how much VP gear you got, wizards and druids will land nukes for full on this server.

[runlvlzero]

http://foreveruntiltheend.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/screenshot-2011-10-07-at-7.37.42-AM.png

[Syft]

Syft is a wizard and think hes good for killing nihilum people.

Heres a protip: no matter how much VP gear you got, wizards and druids will land nukes for full on this server.

I kill your wizards in Nihilum in an advisor robe, I killed your guild leader on Sullon at lvl 52, I don't think I'm good I know I am.

But I guess with a bag of gate pots and trak's teeth you don't need to be any good in pvp. It must bother you to know a trained signing monkey could perform as well as you do in that gear.

[Nirgon]

I got my utilities shut off. See Jeremy's signature.

[Syft]

Citation needed.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/00b3r/Strydurisanidiot.jpg

You can see Strydur say "nobody used a trak tooth you fucking scrub"

that was on a lvl 52, I see nihilum blow at least 5 a day on players but lemme guess your gonna lie like Strydur did and say you don't, RIGHT?

[heals4reals]

Trak tooth on lvl 52 edited cus . thought biznasty was bard

[Malevz]

I'm all for wand removal as well but the Trak teeth NEED to GO! There having the biggest negative impact on this server!


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/00b3r/Strydurisanidiot.jpg

You can see Strydur say "nobody used a trak tooth you fucking scrub"

that was on a lvl 52, I see nihilum blow at least 5 a day on players but lemme guess your gonna lie like Strydur did and say you don't, RIGHT?

You have failed to provide information on trak tooths and "There having the biggest negative impact on this server!"

[Syft]

You have failed to provide information on trak tooths and "There having the biggest negative impact on this server!"

You failed to provide any common sense, logic or reason.

You don't see how 1000 dmg insta click lifetaps could change the course of any raid battle lmfao

Look deep into the mirror and smack yourself in the fucking face, because you sir are an idiot.

[Swish]

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

/thread

[Malevz]

You failed to provide any common sense, logic or reason.

You don't see how 1000 dmg insta click lifetaps could change the course of any raid battle lmfao

Look deep into the mirror and smack yourself in the fucking face, because you sir are an idiot.

Personal attacks not withstanding, I agree they need to be removed, but your hypothesis was "There having the biggest negative impact on this server!". You've failed to provide anything that backs this up, thus the 'citation needed'. How are traks tooths a bigger problem than the resist system, Sickpuppy's twinks running around killing naked newbies, or the bullshit in ooc. I've talked 7 people into trying the server, 6 have left.

-5 quit because of the server environment, which in all cases when I asked a few questions all mentioned listening to ooc and what kind of impression that gave them about the server

-1 quit because the server pop was too low.

This would lead me to believe that red99's biggest problem is ooc. But far be it from me to argue with a known rager who quit his bard (who runs from low level rogues outdoors) to play what the strongest pvp class on the server these days, and doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

[heals4reals]

The 5 that quit cus ooc was harsh were either religious fanatic mormons, too dumb to L2mature filter or not cut out for red EQ to begin with. Thanks for bringing people 2 server tho.

And I don't remember you caring about ooc when northwest was saying my 3yr old performed sex acts and you and mendan and renian just spammed deadbeat dad in ooc

[Syft]

Personal attacks not withstanding, I agree they need to be removed, but your hypothesis was "There having the biggest negative impact on this server!". You've failed to provide anything that backs this up, thus the 'citation needed'. How are traks tooths a bigger problem than the resist system, Sickpuppy's twinks running around killing naked newbies, or the bullshit in ooc. I've talked 7 people into trying the server, 6 have left.

-5 quit because of the server environment, which in all cases when I asked a few questions all mentioned listening to ooc and what kind of impression that gave them about the server

-1 quit because the server pop was too low.

This would lead me to believe that red99's biggest problem is ooc. But far be it from me to argue with a known rager who quit his bard (who runs from low level rogues outdoors) to play what the strongest pvp class on the server these days, and doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

It's hard for me not to call you an idiot, when you had a bad word filter default turned to on, CHOOSE TO TURN IT OFF! And then got offended by what you heard.

Personally I think a 40 man crew of neckbeards that use click items to keep every high lvl spawn under their control and use hack compiles to know where every mob and person in the world is, is a much bigger detriment to the server.

But no one here is accusing you of having any common sense.

P.S. it's your guild that TORTURES newplayers way worse then MrBigs ever did, atleast he just stuck to unrest. Everyday their is a nihilum spamming dispels on low lvls, Savah and Bullet were doing it in Unrest, Shrimp and mittens in oasis ETC ETC. So spare me the hooker with the heart of gold story.

[Dullah]

It's hard for me not to call you an idiot, when you had a bad word filter default turned to on, CHOOSE TO TURN IT OFF! And then got offended by what you heard.

Personally I think a 40 man crew of neckbeards that use click items to keep every high lvl spawn under their control and use hack compiles to know where every mob and person in the world is, is a much bigger detriment to the server.

But no one here is accusing you of having any common sense.

P.S. it's your guild that TORTURES newplayers way worse then MrBigs ever did, atleast he just stuck to unrest. Everyday their is a nihilum spamming dispels on low lvls, Savah and Bullet were doing it in Unrest, Shrimp and mittens in oasis ETC ETC. So spare me the hooker with the heart of gold story.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_By-JVFjHOMI/TGfJKCKfY9I/AAAAAAAAANA/8EyVd9XKIkk/s400/all-babies-have-big-mouths-but-not-as-much-as-this-baby.jpg

[Syft]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_By-JVFjHOMI/TGfJKCKfY9I/AAAAAAAAANA/8EyVd9XKIkk/s400/all-babies-have-big-mouths-but-not-as-much-as-this-baby.jpg

Stop shitting up my thread with your nonsense, you gonna ask if I'm mad next, learn a witty insult or stfu

[Nirgon]

It's not classic to have 3 years of Kunark or this 100% xp rate shit

Don't blame the Trak Tooths

[heartbrand]

It's not classic to have 3 years of Kunark or this 100% xp rate shit

Don't blame the Trak Tooths

Pretty much this, but also when was the last mass pvp battle over a mob determined by trak teeth? Never? But I don't even care go ahead and remove them let's see what the excuse is next week.

[Malevz]

use click items to keep every high lvl spawn under their control

Citation needed.

and use hack compiles to know where every mob and person in the world is

Citation needed.


Everyday their is a nihilum spamming dispels on low lvls, Savah and Bullet were doing it in Unrest

Citation needed
Who is Savah?

Also I find your continued misuse of their, there, and they're not just baffling but a little disturbing.

Also you've yet to prove your original assertion about traks teeth "There having the biggest negative impact on this server!"

[Nirgon]

See if you can put your heads together and figure out why people didn't have countless Trak Teeth to burn on live.

Then consider when there were tons around to burn (oh hey lets farm these and abuse them!), SoE patched it.

[heartbrand]

See if you can put your heads together and figure out why people didn't have countless Trak Teeth to burn on live.

Then consider when there were tons around to burn (oh hey lets farm these and abuse them!), SoE patched it.

Is the answer: what is Velious

[Syft]

See if you can put your heads together and figure out why people didn't have countless Trak Teeth to burn on live.

Then consider when there were tons around to burn (oh hey lets farm these and abuse them!), SoE patched it.

Nirgon is making too much sense as usual waiting for heartbrands head to explode!

[heartbrand]

Actually you missed his point. He was saying this wasn't an issue on live because people used the teeth for their VP keys and by the time trak was on farm status velious was coming out and Kunark was left behind with keys not mattering anymore. Once that occurred and verant realized this, then they changed it. You're welcome for the free explanation.

[krazyGlue]

HB. Would donate for velious content

[Syft]

Actually you missed his point. He was saying this wasn't an issue on live because people used the teeth for their VP keys and by the time trak was on farm status velious was coming out and Kunark was left behind with keys not mattering anymore. Once that occurred and verant realized this, then they changed it. You're welcome for the free explanation.

Not at all you MORAN, he was saying if it was being used the way it currently was SoE would have patched it the way they did on live.

No server was meant to be 2 years of kunark, so when vellious came out everyone left kunark shit in the dust, no one expected a guild to be such faggots in pvp that they would abuse an endgame raid mob to not look like shitty pvper's they figured you guys with that much gear wouldn't need that to pvp successfully.

And even IF vellious is released you fags will STILL farm trak teeth to shut down others from raiding vellious mobs. And when that shit happens and people are getting trak teeth burnt in velks, I'll repost this shit in your lying ass face.

[Nads]

Syft, man, you need to take a breather; your nostrils are flaring. Go pour a stiff drink or something and relax.

[Syft]

Syft, man, you need to take a breather; your nostrils are flaring. Go pour a stiff drink or something and relax.

Always angry and I'm always drunk! The problem isn't that I'm angry the problem is that your not angry enough!


Anger is the catalyst for change, complacency equals stagnation.

[Nads]

I'm always drunk!


Good, I was worried for a second.

[Syft]

Good, I was worried for a second.

plus Im out of weed

[Mingo]

I think Trak teeth weren't an issue on live because Kunark was out 5 months before Trakanon was dying to any organized guild. Then it was another few months before Veeshan's Peak was even a target.

Also, on live these guilds were fielding twice the numbers required to kill these targets as are currently being used on P99. I dont think Trakanon was ever killed on Vallon Zek pre-Velious with 20 players. Farming 30 Trakanon teeth is very different than 60, not including the amount of teeth that were ignored/spent/lost/destroyed before the quest was even discovered.


The arguments are non-sensical and the concern for legitimate or classic is not the point. It's basically persiflage to argue that trak's teeth fit the timeline, the argument is clearly that trak teeth having a 1005 instant tap is gamebreaking to PVP and pretty stupid when it is completely controlled by the already dominant side.

I'm approaching TLDR but i'll hazard that the point of this summit, in general, is to try to figure out what's wrong with the server and how to foster a larger population and good competition. In that direction, these teeth are relevant issue. Nilbog has already said he would abandon the 'classic' requirement for PVP balance.

I'm retired 51+ until these teeth are nerfed/removed. I'm too valuable a killshot to be handing out to idiots with a broken click, sorry bros.

[Syft]

I think Trak teeth weren't an issue on live because Kunark was out 5 months before Trakanon was dying to any organized guild. Then it was another few months before Veeshan's Peak was even a target.

Also, on live these guilds were fielding twice the numbers required to kill these targets as are currently being used on P99. I dont think Trakanon was ever killed on Vallon Zek pre-Velious with 20 players. Farming 30 Trakanon teeth is very different than 60, not including the amount of teeth that were ignored/spent/lost/destroyed before the quest was even discovered.


The arguments are non-sensical and the concern for legitimate or classic is not the point. It's basically persiflage to argue that trak's teeth fit the timeline, the argument is clearly that trak teeth having a 1005 instant tap is gamebreaking to PVP and pretty stupid when it is completely controlled by the already dominant side.

I'm approaching TLDR but i'll hazard that the point of this summit, in general, is to try to figure out what's wrong with the server and how to foster a larger population and good competition. In that direction, these teeth are relevant issue. Nilbog has already said he would abandon the 'classic' requirement for PVP balance.

I'm retired 51+ until these teeth are nerfed/removed. I'm too valuable a killshot to be handing out to idiots with a broken click, sorry bros.

thank you for so eloquently stating the problem at hand, nicely done sir!

[Tradesonred]

I kind of pride myself on speaking my mind, no matter which side of the fence im sitting, so here goes.

For the month i was in nihilum, i can honestly say its the less loot whoring environment ive been in. Was handed that dracolich 2h about 2 days in by a random officer. Maybe cuz they out of bank space and swimming in loot (lol) but still a long way from having guildies roll on a really good shaman piece they cant use (fungi), that i would use all the time to pvp for the guild, to put on their lowbie ranger or whatever, which happened to me in azrael, twice. The first time the guy who won and rolled against me was actually already wearing one.

Nihilum though does like that gear gap, doesnt appear to want healthy competition that keeps things interesting for everyone, so unfortunatly, most things ive seen posted here from them, especially dullah, is intended to make them keep that dominance, no matter the consequences on the servers population.

Nihilum should really take a good look at themselves and ask themselves if they really gonna have fun farming pixels on a dead server. I think unfortunatly again the answer is yes, cuz the pvp they seem to be addicted to is gear advantage + overwhelming numbers for cheesy wins. This would not have mattered if people were allowed to challenge Nihilum with lower numbers from the get-go, which because of xp loss in pvp, they were prevented from doing. People would have contested them daily and Nihilum would have had to work hard, daily, to get those drops. Not having a free for all, uncontested loot fest for a year straight. All of this would have provided daily, fun as fuck tugs of war camp contests, like on Rallos.

The fault doesnt really fall with Nihilum though. Its the devs who should have stepped in when players (especially persistently annoying people like me) who kept repeating, day in day out, week after week, months after months, that xp loss in pvp only advantages zergs, lets people farm raid zones uncontested, helps griefers bleed out potential new blood out of the server. Id say thats where 95% of where the fault lies. Nihillum and griefers were just using the tools the devs were handing out to them. I think we would have a totally different server if devs had reacted quickly to correct the situation instead of kneejerking ``this isnt cod``. Players didnt even have to actively think about this, the way the server was set up by the devs at launch, dramatically and by default tipped the balance in favor of guilds that have huge numbers. It was the same story with holocaust when server launched, nobody would go in Guk and challenge them for it. This was pointed out to them from the servers launch, repeatedly. There is no ``maybe you people should stop griefing`` excuse for it.

Protip for would be leaders and players: its just a fucking game. Rolling on a fungi with your chanter against a main shaman is retarded and doesnt build a community feeling where everyone feels theyre sticking up for each other.

I dont think ive ever seen this level of loot whoring in any other game before than here on p99 red, and im not talking about Nihilum. Not totally pissing on azrael, some cool people in it like jezibell.

-Ecoli

[Dullah]

Most of the suggestions about how to fix the server are mostly ways you can make it bluer, remove pvp or attempt to wipe or in some way handicap nihilum.

By "nihilum doesn't want competition", you obviously mean nihilum likes to win. We have no control over what the competition does when they do not. I understand how that can be confusing to you.

ps. you forgot to talk about pvp exp loss. have you finally gotten over the trauma? Are your sessions going ok?

[Tradesonred]

Most of the suggestions about how to fix the server are mostly ways you can make it bluer, remove pvp or attempt to wipe or in some way handicap nihilum.

By "nihilum doesn't want competition", you obviously mean nihilum likes to win. We have no control over what the competition does when they do not. I understand how that can be confusing to you.

ps. you forgot to talk about pvp exp loss. have you finally gotten over the trauma? Are your sessions going ok?

Something the devs wont ever be able to fix though, is that chunky part of the population thats acting like fucking idiots most of the times. Ill give em that.

[Syft]

Most of the suggestions about how to fix the server are mostly ways you can make it bluer, remove pvp or attempt to wipe or in some way handicap nihilum.

By "nihilum doesn't want competition", you obviously mean nihilum likes to win. We have no control over what the competition does when they do not. I understand how that can be confusing to you.

ps. you forgot to talk about pvp exp loss. have you finally gotten over the trauma? Are your sessions going ok?

As usual your disillusioned, everyone likes winning that's why they call it winning.

But some people want to beat their opponent using strategy, to defeat someone in an even competition of skill.

No one wants to watch an MMA match where the one of the fighter's pulls out a gun and shoot's the other fighter in the face. Or a guy driving a corvette wins the new York marathon. And that's whats happening here.

Nizzar once challenged anyone to come into south ro and fight him and stated he would use golem wands, trak teeth, and i.hoop on anyone who did lol.

I've seen Vap conflag wand and trak tooth lvl 52's for insta kills.

One of the main reasons everyone wanted to play on a classic server that ended before Luclin was no manaburn no lifeburn nonsense. But someone being killed in.5 milliseconds is much worse than manaburn!

I don't care you guys have better gear I've beaten many nihilum in an advisor robe but watching pvp degrade into who has the most 1 click items turns the server more blue than anything else it literally makes the game into farmquest and not red eq pvp.

[Elderan]

I think Trak teeth weren't an issue on live because Kunark was out 5 months before Trakanon was dying to any organized guild. Then it was another few months before Veeshan's Peak was even a target.

Also, on live these guilds were fielding twice the numbers required to kill these targets as are currently being used on P99. I dont think Trakanon was ever killed on Vallon Zek pre-Velious with 20 players. Farming 30 Trakanon teeth is very different than 60, not including the amount of teeth that were ignored/spent/lost/destroyed before the quest was even discovered.


The arguments are non-sensical and the concern for legitimate or classic is not the point. It's basically persiflage to argue that trak's teeth fit the timeline, the argument is clearly that trak teeth having a 1005 instant tap is gamebreaking to PVP and pretty stupid when it is completely controlled by the already dominant side.

I'm approaching TLDR but i'll hazard that the point of this summit, in general, is to try to figure out what's wrong with the server and how to foster a larger population and good competition. In that direction, these teeth are relevant issue. Nilbog has already said he would abandon the 'classic' requirement for PVP balance.

I'm retired 51+ until these teeth are nerfed/removed. I'm too valuable a killshot to be handing out to idiots with a broken click, sorry bros.

There are at most 6-10 trak teeth introduced into the server every week.. However there are possibly up to 90 golem wands introduced.

One comes from a raid mob, one comes from a 35ish mob. They are equally as powerful..

[Slathar]

There are at most 6-10 trak teeth introduced into the server every week.. However there are possibly up to 90 golem wands introduced.

One comes from a raid mob, one comes from a 35ish mob. They are equally as powerful..

just gona let this one sink in guys. they're equal!

LOL

[SamwiseRed]

ya golem wand totally more OP than trak tooth lol

[Tradesonred]

just gona let this one sink in guys. they're equal!

LOL

elderan is a new guy but fits right in this nihilum thing i was talking about. Retarded advantage, what retarded advantage? Be better at the game!

1k insta DD same thing as insta debuffer riiiiight

[Syft]

There are at most 6-10 trak teeth introduced into the server every week.. However there are possibly up to 90 golem wands introduced.

One comes from a raid mob, one comes from a 35ish mob. They are equally as powerful..

They are not equally powerful by any means but as I stated I'm for the removal of all insta clicks items, even gate pots! Nothing that game changing shouldn't have a cast time.

No item should decide the victor in pvp, no item should make pvp riskless!

All of these items were bad idea's verant admitted to as mistakes and later nerfed!

On live I never got manaburn or nexus gate on my Wizard because I considered these cheap talentless tactics employed by weak player's! It's called honor and integrity sadly this box lacks these two things most of all and it is up to the DEV's to step in and even the playing field!

[Nirgon]

One comes from a raid mob, one comes from a 35ish mob. They are equally as powerful..

Oh good gracious

You realize the damage on trak tooth results in a heal for you too right

Might want to rerun the numbers on that Dr. Doofus

[Syft]

Jan 1st - Aug 24

Syft kills on Nihilum

Nothx - Alt Necro with most deaths on server
Shrimp - Noob
Shrimp - Naked Noob
Shrimp - Naked Noob
Erdriick - Lvl 52 App with no raid gear
Pookie - App who has a few planar pieces but doesn't raid


Please show me the evidence of all the Nihilum wizards you own sir.

If a lvl 52 wizard killing a lvl 60 necro means nothing than how come you never got a single kill on anyone till you were in Nihilum? Oh and Erdriick was red to me at 51 when I killed him 1v1. And his gear was definitely wayyyyyy better than mine. I killed Pookie 3v1 with chmel healing him and ate a HT!

Funny not giving someone credit for the things you never could do yourself!

P.S. If you have nothing to post about the relevant topic at hand which is insta click items? then stfu, everyone knows your a lil whiny tool that got all your kills exploiting pillar range, stop making it so obvious! Can't believe your bashing your own guildmates to take a shot at 52 wiz in advisor, Nizzar should have removed you long ago for generally embarrassing his guild at every turn, first with poor pvp skills and later with whiny antics in ooc and forums.

[Syft]

I actually did a lot of pvp on my bard until I found my weakness, wizards. I like pvping on both. Even with Pillar fix, I'm still getting kills. Though I do have wands, trak tooths, hoops, conflag wands, and soulfires. I rarely use them in PvP unless I'm outnumbered. I've had the same soulfire, 3 golem wands, and 1 trak tooth for the last 3 months. Finally trak toothed Andain in nfp bank the other day just for the lawls =), and the 500pp.

Stop shitting up the thread with your whining, I outranked your wizard before I even hit 52 if killing people is so easy with a wizard then why cant you seem to outrank me? Literally everything you say contradicts the last thing you said

I've got more kills and less deaths on a wizard in a fucking advisor robe with zero spam click items!

That's how bad you are!

[heals4reals]

http://img6.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-moustache-197926.jpeg

[Syft]

I'm sorry that I only play a few hours on Tyva a week? lol
I'm also playing 5 characters. Twainz, Tyva, Cosmos, Josiah, and Bumblebeetun. I don't spend all my time on one character looking for pvp. The last 2 days I logged on between LoL matches to pvp while it loaded. Most of the time I run around looking for pvp and the people log or port away. Also half my deaths are from T staffs lol. I'm not afraid to die which is why I ran into KC against a full group of melees in a hallway. I killed one and got owned by a rogue and warrior.

Glad to know your /timeplayed is 10x mine and still can't beat my score. My character's entire life is on the boards every death since lvl 16 even as a butt naked wiz by Mrbigs in unrest, cry more pls.

If I really cared about my score on here I would equip Tyva with better gear and lots of clickies and cure pots. .

So to beat a wizard rocking an advisor's score, you need MOAR gear! LMFAO

MFER you got diamond rod and a manastone WTF more you need to pvp! Can't believe your srs!

And if you want to compare scores, please get the logs from the 6 months before you played where I was pvping on my wizard and it wasn't logged.

You mean exploiting pillar range, which is pretty much why your kills dropped off a cliff after the fix!

I don't have time to explain to you how retarded you are Swyft. Go back to crying in ooc, the boards are to hard for you kid.

^This is that whining shit I'm talking about!

You really have no clue how retarded you sound do you?

[raka]

I have a belly button

[Dullah]

ya golem wand totally more OP than trak tooth lol

In small scale pvp, trak tooth might be better depending on class make up and your opponents buffs.

In group or large scale pvp, golem wand is better hands down, more accessible, and capable of removing almost twice the hp in buffs, haste and targets resists. Casters stripped are like 1 nuke or backstab away from death, and melee without haste is only half the threat.

[Nirgon]

Destin, is something wrong with the interwebs?

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Dullahan

[Syft]

In small scale pvp, trak tooth might be better depending on class make up and your opponents buffs.

In group or large scale pvp, golem wand is better hands down, more accessible, and capable of removing almost twice the hp in buffs, haste and targets resists. Casters stripped are like 1 nuke or backstab away from death, and melee without haste is only half the threat.

This is what happens when you fail at math!

BTW some people go pvping only with their own buffs I know fucken crazy right, and if anything you said were true enchanters would be the shit in pvp.

Logic hurt head!

[heals4reals]

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/slap.jpg

[Syft]

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/slap.jpg

LOL

[Dullah]

Destin, is something wrong with the interwebs?

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Dullahan

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Rakariz

[Syft]

I was going to type a reply, but I do not have time for children atm. I'll log on the forums tonight when I get home from the gym.

it's not the time you lack it's the wit