Would you participate in a server wide twitter based batphone for raid mobs? (poll)

[Tasslehofp99]

So a year or so ago I realized that if you want to experience the raiding content on p99 you are left with very few choices. There was one guild monopolizing most of the content and very few guilds who seemed interested in getting involved with the inevitable drama that comes with facing TMO.


Initially I just wanted to take all the guilds interested and form an alliance for raiding. Unfortunately this idea probably would not work out and would just lead to more guilds hating eachother. So I came up with the idea that we should just form a twitter batphone for everyone on p99.

It could be done a number of ways with many different ways to split loot and epic drops. But the vasic idea is that someone creates the twitter, anyone of sufficient level (58+ for kunark bosses, 50+ for old world bosses) could join and participate in raids. I understand there will be many kinks to work out as well as concrete rules/regulations to keep things fair.


This would also likely require a large capacity ventrilo server as well as perhaps a separate forum section. There will likely be many opponents to such ideas and that's fine because we have ket opposition every other time someone makes a suggestion to benefit the server/community.



So, I'm wondering who would be interested in participating in this type of thing?


What suggestions do you have in regards to splitting loot fairly?

How could we communicate amongst the folks interested?

What should we call ourselves?

Obviously every person wants to have their guilds and if said guilds want to mobilize and go after targets on their own that's cool too. But their chances alone arent as good as our chances would be together.


So I would vote to keep this simple, with interested players signing up on the batphone under their p99 character name(s) and parking their toons at whatever mobs we choose each week.

Loot could be randomed and split among those who NEED it, no alts/twinks. We can create a list of who needs what epic drops and base our priorities on that first.

Folks can take turns or track mobs in groups to break up monotony. We could start by choosing 3 or 4 mobs each week to focus on, and rotate the mobs each week in order to give folks chances to get tge items they need without buying them from TMO.

We could random the loot, keep track of who gets what and place a time limit on when winners will be allowed to random again to be fair.


Should members of TMO be excluded? considering the fact they have had 2 years to monopolize all the epic/dragon loot and their stance towards the rest of the server.



And lastly, is this even feasible? Worth it? Love to hear the opinions you all offer as long as they are constructive and not rnf-esque.

Again -- I understand something like this would be a lot of work and coordination and it would piss off a lot of people probably. But at this point I don't see another option for those folks who want to raid but refuse to get involved in.the shenanigans.


There are great players who refuse to raid on this server because of the toxic atmosphere and greedy lootwhores who must monopolize and sell loot rather than give other deserving folks a chance at kunark before velious is out. I mean, its been 2 years.

I suspect that naturally the server pop will dip before velious like it did prekunark but it really doesn't have to if the content wasn't cockblocked to fuck.

[quido]

Though I wouldn't participate, I would really enjoy seeing such an effort =)

[Zeelot]

Just follow Tiggles' p99 stream and you will know when most things spawn. We're already tracking for you <3

[mtb tripper]

im pretty sure they are gone

[Tasslehofp99]

I am more interested in the folks opinions who:

1. Have a guild capable of raiding that doesn't do so very often

2. Haven't joined a guild because they look at the raid scene with disgust

3. People who are in raiding guilds that feel they simply don't have the infrastructure
Or the numbers to compete against larger, more established guilds.


This was spoken about between a few members of different guilds and it seemed that everyone agreed it would be fun. On my live server after luclin there were public pickup raids for almost all of the content. Chat channels made stuff like this a little easier but with ventrilo and twitter we could make it work.


If all you had to do was sign up and park your toon out at specific mobs a couple of times a week to have a chance at getting your epics/desired items, would you?


I mean a year ago I would have said yes, but now it just seems people are already looking to velious to be the savior of p99 raiding.

So what y'all think?

[quido]

Tasslehof is just the moderate soul to round up a tidal wave of support.

[xarzzardorn]

gandhi of p99

[Tasslehofp99]

Tasslehof is just the moderate soul to round up a tidal wave of support.

Thanks for your continued support jeremy, appreciate it.
Luckily for you and others I'm not the only one who wants to get this going.
There will be plenty of help getting it started/maintaining it, if folks are interested.

Anyway, the only thing people would need to do to get in on this would be to create an email and a twitter account for that email. We will require folks to sign up using names that reflect their in game names.


We could also set it up in such a way that each guild interested can have 1 person be a representative of their guild on the batphone. This way we can interconnect a lot of players but keep the batphone system simple.

In other words lets say 5 guilds are interested, and they all have their own batphone set up. Each of those 5 guilds can choose a few folks to be on the batphone, and when a call goes out those folks can relay the message to their guild through their own batphone.



We can call it "the coalition of the willing" bros!

[quido]

I commit the undying support of <The Medulla Oblongata> - I hope you won't discriminate!

[Tiggles]

Just follow Tiggles' p99 stream and you will know when most things spawn. We're already tracking for you <3

[Visual]

doing less with moors™

[Tasslehofp99]

This is not sponsored by FE nor do I represent them or their leadership. This is about hopefully giving players who want to raid boss mobs the opportunity to do so without people having to saccrifice their RL duties to do so. Instead of buying their epic mq they can just participate and get their epic while having some fun with players of the community that they normally wouldn't get to play with.

[Tasslehofp99]

tasslehof stfu dumb fag

I appreciate the free bump, but why are you trying to shit my thread up?

[Tasslehofp99]

/sigh

[Cecily]

Need BP access plz.

[Autotune]

Need BP access plz.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Though I wouldn't participate, I would really enjoy seeing such an effort =)

[Swish]

My answer:

http://i.imgur.com/veopam5.gif

[Tecmos Deception]

tasslehof stfu dumb fag

Where's that "ignore p-niner" sig when you need it?

[Freakish]

I don't like zerg force kills on 32k dragons so no.

[Tecmos Deception]

I don't like zerg force kills on 32k dragons so no.

So you think there will be enough people for the plan to work. Great!

[Ravager]

I thought the point of joining TMO was so that you could be on the server-wide batphone.

[Ele]

Would like to see more people going for FTE.

[Droog007]

I like this idea a lot. I think it will be chaotic as hell... just the right salve for this festering sore.

If nothing else, it may cause intense, pounding headaches for the staff. Maybe shake things up and force their hand... wipe the server or something :p

[Laugher]

Around PoP era on Prexus there was a channel and I can't specifically remember if this was the original name as it came back every once in a while after PoP era but anyway there was a channel called puraid (short for pickup raid) wherein everyone would join when they logged in and raids would be randomly decided by people who had done the events/could lead a raidforce.. they got some good PoP progression flagging done for quite a few individuals in this way and also did events from other xpacs, all gear was /random and most people who participated at least got flags. I think I even got a couple flags off of it for my rog in planes haha.

I know channels aren't around in this era but figured I'd mention it since it was a relatively similar movement, gl:)

[runlvlzero]

So a year or so ago I realized that if you want to experience the raiding content on p99 you are left with very few choices. There was one guild monopolizing most of the content and very few guilds who seemed interested in getting involved with the inevitable drama that comes with facing TMO.


Initially I just wanted to take all the guilds interested and form an alliance for raiding. Unfortunately this idea probably would not work out and would just lead to more guilds hating eachother. So I came up with the idea that we should just form a twitter batphone for everyone on p99.

It could be done a number of ways with many different ways to split loot and epic drops. But the vasic idea is that someone creates the twitter, anyone of sufficient level (58+ for kunark bosses, 50+ for old world bosses) could join and participate in raids. I understand there will be many kinks to work out as well as concrete rules/regulations to keep things fair.


This would also likely require a large capacity ventrilo server as well as perhaps a separate forum section. There will likely be many opponents to such ideas and that's fine because we have ket opposition every other time someone makes a suggestion to benefit the server/community.



So, I'm wondering who would be interested in participating in this type of thing?


What suggestions do you have in regards to splitting loot fairly?

How could we communicate amongst the folks interested?

What should we call ourselves?

Obviously every person wants to have their guilds and if said guilds want to mobilize and go after targets on their own that's cool too. But their chances alone arent as good as our chances would be together.


So I would vote to keep this simple, with interested players signing up on the batphone under their p99 character name(s) and parking their toons at whatever mobs we choose each week.

Loot could be randomed and split among those who NEED it, no alts/twinks. We can create a list of who needs what epic drops and base our priorities on that first.

Folks can take turns or track mobs in groups to break up monotony. We could start by choosing 3 or 4 mobs each week to focus on, and rotate the mobs each week in order to give folks chances to get tge items they need without buying them from TMO.

We could random the loot, keep track of who gets what and place a time limit on when winners will be allowed to random again to be fair.


Should members of TMO be excluded? considering the fact they have had 2 years to monopolize all the epic/dragon loot and their stance towards the rest of the server.



And lastly, is this even feasible? Worth it? Love to hear the opinions you all offer as long as they are constructive and not rnf-esque.

Again -- I understand something like this would be a lot of work and coordination and it would piss off a lot of people probably. But at this point I don't see another option for those folks who want to raid but refuse to get involved in.the shenanigans.


There are great players who refuse to raid on this server because of the toxic atmosphere and greedy lootwhores who must monopolize and sell loot rather than give other deserving folks a chance at kunark before velious is out. I mean, its been 2 years.

I suspect that naturally the server pop will dip before velious like it did prekunark but it really doesn't have to if the content wasn't cockblocked to fuck.

I endorse the shaking up of blues server politics by creating a massive force that no single guild can compete against. I still think you should DKP, just / all zone require people to drop anon, and award dkp on the twitter via list, or link to a google doc.

Let the alts of alts join your zerg and put the server on farm status. Fair is fair for all. The only thing you have to respect is no guild affiliation should matter if they are a member of the 3rd party org. So if TMO wants to defect and help you. Let em. It will shake up their ranks a bit with infighting as well.

Test server did this and broke the brutal lock on pop raid mobs that were cockblocking several smaller guilds from progressing beyond PoP. We left primal brood in the dust and completely dominated GoD and onwards with no skill players. Who eventually learned to raid a bit.

Blue certainly has the population to do this =)

In other words you just need to get people to show up and reward them fairly somehow.

[Tasslehofp99]

Around PoP era on Prexus there was a channel and I can't specifically remember if this was the original name as it came back every once in a while after PoP era but anyway there was a channel called puraid (short for pickup raid) wherein everyone would join when they logged in and raids would be randomly decided by people who had done the events/could lead a raidforce.. they got some good PoP progression flagging done for quite a few individuals in this way and also did events from other xpacs, all gear was /random and most people who participated at least got flags. I think I even got a couple flags off of it for my rog in planes haha.

I know channels aren't around in this era but figured I'd mention it since it was a relatively similar movement, gl:)

Barbraid ftw. Sup fellow prexian!

[Acrux Bcrux]

Around PoP era on Prexus there was a channel and I can't specifically remember if this was the original name as it came back every once in a while after PoP era but anyway there was a channel called puraid (short for pickup raid) wherein everyone would join when they logged in and raids would be randomly decided by people who had done the events/could lead a raidforce.. they got some good PoP progression flagging done for quite a few individuals in this way and also did events from other xpacs, all gear was /random and most people who participated at least got flags. I think I even got a couple flags off of it for my rog in planes haha.

I know channels aren't around in this era but figured I'd mention it since it was a relatively similar movement, gl:)

Barbraid

Edit... shit i didnt keep reading, tass beat me to it.

[finalgrunt]

More importantly, who would be responsible for lawyering server wide?

[SCB]

I thought the point of joining TMO was so that you could be on the server-wide batphone.

Best post ever made.

[xarzzardorn]

serious post i don't know if you realize 'hof but the best way to do this would be to approach various leaderships in game. look at how free trakanons for divinity worked out with their huge dumptruck of dog poop thread. if that thread had never been posted they probably would have gotten a shot at the dargon

tldr forums are a cesspool

[Splorf22]

free trakanons for divinity

wut

also serious posts include caps

thats why i never use them

[planeofdreams]

I voted no because I dont have time to be apart of the raid scene, but I think you have a good idea Tasslehopf. If you really want to make it server wide, I think you should allow TMO members. Random loot/needs before greeds would be just as valid with one of their players participating. Plus fun for everyone = good for the server.

[Laugher]

Barbraid ftw. Sup fellow prexian!

haha /highfive that was it :D

[Pint]

Ive got 4 or 5 59-60 toons that I would park around norrath to assist on kills with, however I would probably only respond to like 1 in 10 batphones. Also you would have to have absolutely nothing to do with coordinating and running such an operation tasslehof since as your forum reputation clearly shows, you are to much of a queen to turn something like this into anything more than a few rnf threads of the same worn out complaints you always rehash.

[Tasslehofp99]

Ive got 4 or 5 59-60 toons that I would park around norrath to assist on kills with, however I would probably only respond to like 1 in 10 batphones. Also you would have to have absolutely nothing to do with coordinating and running such an operation tasslehof since as your forum reputation clearly shows, you are to much of a queen to turn something like this into anything more than a few rnf threads of the same worn out complaints you always rehash.

Prolly will be a group effort if there is enough interest in it to make it worth undertaking. I'm sorry you feel that way but this isn't rants and flames so take your pot shots there. Not trying to have my thread shitted up, thanks.

[Tasslehofp99]

haha /highfive that was it :D

I remember one specific barbraid where we were doing the boss in plane of innovation. It was VERY ugly with so many players lol but it was so much fun anyway. I think although the poll is locked in at dead even there may be enough players interested in this. I'm going to start asking around to certain guild's leadership if they want to participate. If you have a guild who would want to get in on this PM me or whatever.

[Splorf22]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

[Tasslehofp99]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).


Really good suggestion, loraen.

The issue is that I'm not even quite sure where the leadership of FE falls on this topic of discussion. I mainly just posted this to kind of get a feel for what others thought. What I was hoping is that we could just literally form a coalition among the servers guilds.


Like you suggested you really only need like 6 to 8 people to be on point and aware of whats going on. What I was hoping for was that we could all have our own guilds who operate on their own as usual.

We could pick 2 to 3 targets per week to just have people in the coalition park out at. Since I'm sure most guilds that raid have a batphone, we can just organize a small batphone for each guilds representatives to join. Representatives will be responsible for sending the call out to their respective guilds and making sure that their guildies are parked at the right targets throughout the week

As far as tracking goes and rewarding folks/keeping track of contributions that's where things get complicated as you suggested. I like the idea you propose I'm just not really in a position to approve such a measure. Id really like to hear where other guilds stand on this idea.


I dont really see an easier way for more casual folks to get involved with end game raiding. The idea of zerging shit down sucks, but in my opinion for the folks who need epic peices or gear having to sacrifice RL shit to get those items is worse.

Really though there is so many ways to do this, could even work out a system for rotating which guild gets epic peices and that way they could distribute loot the way they want. Anyone else got some good suggestions that we could discuss further?

[Tasslehofp99]

Loot distribution and coordination would be the main challenges for a project like this.

Anyone have any simple suggestions that may work and hasn't been discussed already?


I was thinking if this was an idea limited to a few guilds then a rotation for first pick of loot could be worked out, with each guild awarding loot themselves. This would just become an issue if unguilded or smaller guilds wanted to participate. So what are some other ideas short of creating an entire dkp page/roster dedicated to this?

[Autotune]

Loot distribution and coordination would be the main challenges for a project like this.

Anyone have any simple suggestions that may work and hasn't been discussed already?


I was thinking if this was an idea limited to a few guilds then a rotation for first pick of loot could be worked out, with each guild awarding loot themselves. This would just become an issue if unguilded or smaller guilds wanted to participate. So what are some other ideas short of creating an entire dkp page/roster dedicated to this?

The only way this would work. Is at the start, everyone started with a clean slate and you would have to do a loot council with equal officers from every guild voted on by all the raiding members.

Rolling on loot and rotating would just cause problems with that many guilds participating. If you are going to function as one raiding party, you need to distribute loot as a single raiding party. The key to your (sustained) success is how well (fairly) you feed your mass.

This would also require several damn good raid leaders, for obvious reasons.

[Trouble]

You'd probably have to random items between people that consider it an upgrade and just do it by who's at that raid at that particular time- that's how pugs work. Anything else would become more hassle than it's worth. Also you'd want to have a few peeps run a batphone that would be seperate from the guild batphones that each person would have to sign up for outside of the ones they're already on.

[Servellious]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

This.

[Estu]

Loot distribution and coordination would be the main challenges for a project like this.

Anyone have any simple suggestions that may work and hasn't been discussed already?

Why not keep it simple? Forget about guilds. Your idea is powerful enough that unguilded people should be able to join in too, anyway. Just, anyone who's at the raid and needs a given item rolls a /ran. Highest one wins.

[Tecmos Deception]

Randoms for loot are "fair" in that each person was there for that boss that that item dropped from, so everyone who [wants/needs] the item should get to roll on it.

Randoms for loot are terrible in that people who show up for 1 boss have a chance to win a godly drop over people who have been at the last 10 raids in a row and who will probably be at the next 10 raids in a row.


Even though this system isn't a guild, so it may not need as much emphasis on rewarding past effort in order to ensure continued future success, it still seems like a bad idea to me to do a totally random system. Happy medium, perhaps, would be a system where there are randoms for gear, but DKP awarded for prior raids add a flat number to your d100 or add a number of sides to your die roll.

[Tasslehofp99]

Why not keep it simple? Forget about guilds. Your idea is powerful enough that unguilded people should be able to join in too, anyway. Just, anyone who's at the raid and needs a given item rolls a /ran. Highest one wins.

That was my initial idea, but then how do you deal with folks who have multiple characters showing up and randoming on shit over and over again while some folks don't win randoms?

There has to be a fair way to distribute loot for folks to feel inclined to show up to raids. Although, I guess the fact that if they show up they actually have a chance at winning loot where as if they didn't they don't have a chance at all could be motivation. I just want to do this in such a way that all of the people interested can join in and feel as if they aren't wasting their time.

[Ravager]

Randoms for loot are "fair" in that each person was there for that boss that that item dropped from, so everyone who [wants/needs] the item should get to roll on it.

Randoms for loot are terrible in that people who show up for 1 boss have a chance to win a godly drop over people who have been at the last 10 raids in a row and who will probably be at the next 10 raids in a row.


Even though this system isn't a guild, so it may not need as much emphasis on rewarding past effort in order to ensure continued future success, it still seems like a bad idea to me to do a totally random system. Happy medium, perhaps, would be a system where there are randoms for gear, but DKP awarded for prior raids add a flat number to your d100 or add a number of sides to your die roll.

If the people who joined this coalition wanted that, they'd be in TMO already. I'm sure this kind of raid force would be filled with people tickled just to fight a raid mob and have any kind of a shot at loot as opposed to the no raid mobs and no chance of loot they have presently.

[Tecmos Deception]

If the people who joined this coalition wanted that, they'd be in TMO already. I'm sure this kind of raid force would be filled with people tickled just to fight a raid mob and have any kind of a shot at loot as opposed to the no raid mobs and no chance of loot they have presently.

I obviously think my idea was a good one, and I'm not in TMO. TMO requires (generally, I think?) tracking and attendance and trak ledge socking and such. That's a lot different than a random batphone list that rewards repeat raiders somewhat more than first-timers.

I'm one of the people that would come to raids with this idea, and I'm not "tickled just to fight a raid mob and have any kind of a shot at loot" (phat enchanter loot off those dragons, am i right? :P). How long will something like this keep working if the players who show up raid-in and raid-out keep losing out on gear they need to some level 56 with no resist gear who showed up for his first dragon ever because he was in the zone when it popped? If people are tickled at the chance to fight a raid mob and have any kind of shot at loot, probably not very long... long enough to see each boss once or twice maybe before they get frustrated with a minimal chance at loot despite their superior contributions and efforts?

Also, nothing I said suggested that a person who is on their first raid will be incapable of winning loot over someone who has done 1/10/100 raids before. Like I said, there is fair and there is fair. One fair gives everyone who shows up for THIS raid an equal chance at gear that they need. The other fair gives people who have contributed more in the past and/or more right now a better chance at the gear they need.

[Legend]

being 60 and losing your planar chest piece to a freshly dinged lvl 46 due to a bad
/random

classic

[Tecmos Deception]

being 60 and losing your planar chest piece to a freshly dinged lvl 46 due to a bad
/random

classic

Classic in a poorly-organized raid, a truly one-time pickup raid, or shitty guild.

[Tasslehofp99]

even your own guild lets you fly solo, why would the server care?
http://www.beautifulbodybistro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/405113_10150493048311785_101416801784_8886439_1374 238107_n.jpg

Thanks for this constructive contribution.

[Tecmos Deception]

He got you to reply to him instead of to the constructive posts though, so his mission is probably accomplished :p

[Tasslehofp99]

He got you to reply to him instead of to the constructive posts though, so his mission is probably accomplished :p


=/ I had to leave work, and when I'm at home I don't forumquest.

[runlvlzero]

Yeah honestly some type of DKP is the only long term way to make this work IMO. Got to keep track and reward people for showing up. Because those are the people that will begin to carry all the others. We useto /random rots (i.e. main did not need) so new people in zone would get a chance at loots before letting people spend DKP on alts. And they would spend double DKP on an alts item. Of course you than need to make people register their mains, but after about 4 raids its pretty clear ;p and if they switch they have to start over with DKP. People would also immediately start earning DKP so if you guys did more than one target people would get it for being there on their registered main, if they were unregistered they'd have their DKP for that night but wouldn't keep it if they didn't make that their main for future events.

Thats how you get the ball rolling for raid attendance though. And people would get bonus DKP for showing up ahead of time and poopsocking a bit. (Like if you know when their gonna pop). If their within 5 mins of the batphone (at the pull spot ready to engage) theyed get extra DKP based on the target.

[Bantam 1]

Random + extra added on if you show up a lot.

Sounds good enough, spread sheet + screen shots to show people.

[DarkwingDuck]

tasslehof stfu dumb fag

I don't know/care who this douchebag is, or his friends that's have small cocks, cluttering up this post (cough Jeremy ), you guys need to get a life, it's a fucking free, ripped off, fucking version of old everquest, just not coded as well. Get over yourselves. Yay you have no life we get it.

Ps. To the OP, I'd bring a Mage or an Epic Cleric anytime you guys got something up n going.

[bazzer_oz]

I've played EQ since 1999 and part of the reason that it has survived so long in my daily life is because of the community that lives along side and within the game.

With this is mind, I support what Tasslehof is trying to achieve here even though I probably wont have to time to participate myself.

At the very worst it creates some positive energy in a time when the P1999 economy and content timeline has stretched about as far as I would like it to go.

Enjoy the game and enjoy the drama..cause that's the point right?

Skala

[Joroz]

this idea worked on bristlebane but mostly off peak hours where people were not already raiding with their guilds. dkp was used and spending caps provided new comers a way to contribute and be up to speed fairly quick without being steamrolled on everything by people banking points. channels were used instead of batphone but same concept.

[adament1824]

Look all you do is have a spreadsheet, add anyone new to the raid on the spreadsheet thats not already on it from previous raids. People who have attended previous raids get a +bonus to their ran 100 roll the more raids without winning a piece +bonus get bigger. Once said person wins a piece of loot there +bonus goes back to zero.

[Badwar]

Look all you do is have a spreadsheet, add anyone new to the raid on the spreadsheet thats not already on it from previous raids. People who have attended previous raids get a +bonus to their ran 100 roll the more raids without winning a piece +bonus get bigger. Once said person wins a piece of loot there +bonus goes back to zero.

^ not bad

[Ravager]

How will the money be split when TMO offers 200k for FTE at the very first raid?

[Arteker]

growing despair. anyways good luck.

[Strifer]

I think its a great idea.

[Arteker]

1: slow.
2: cumbersome.
3: easily prone to drama and bitching.
4: another fantasy.

[Zyn]

As someone who is incredibly far from the raiding scene, and newer to the server.

It would certainly be nice to have access to my epic at some point down the line. From what I've heard, if I'm not in TMO or FE at 60, I won't have a shot at getting it.

Again, no credibility here, just sharing some thoughts.

[Tecmos Deception]

I think its a great idea.

[Atmas]

This idea is slowly taking shape to form the largest zerg guild ever seen.

[Lyra]

This idea is slowly taking shape to form the largest zerg guild ever seen.

theres more than one way to skin a cat

[skipdog]

It seems like many people think all that is involved in killing these mobs is just 'getting a zerg together'. Somebody has to coordinate where to park toons etc. Somebody has to coordinate/lead the raids. Somebody has to divy out the loot. Somebody has to be 'the leader' and make decisions. Trust me, decisions are not easy or fast when you have some sort of 'guild council' with guild leadership from multiple guilds trying to agree on something. Who makes these final decisions? Who makes day-to-day decisions? It just seems like too many people think that killing raid mobs on this server is about having 'a zerg' when there is so much more coordination and organization that goes on for this to happen. There is far more drama and soulcrushing in coordinating a bunch of random people from multiple guilds than I think some of you care to admit. Then there's just the whole aspect of getting people to sign up for this, getting leadership of other guilds to take a hands-off approach while still supporting the idea to its members, and I still don't quite see how you are going to get people to reliably track, without a hard-coded reward system in place.

I don't mean to be super negative about the idea... I just think you highly underestimate what will happen to this group's morale when TMO beats them to the punch the first few times and they start to realize that most of the time they respond to these batphones, it's just to waste time and hear/watch TMO get loot. So yeah, I support the idea, but the problem is that I really believe it has a very low chance to ever happen in the first place or that it will continue to happen if it does actually get off the ground. There are so many factors that have nothing to do with 'having a bunch of people being there to kill a dragon' that people don't think about.

Maybe the main point I am trying to make, is that organizing these things takes rock-solid drama-free leadership. Unless there is an extremely motivated and efficient leader in place, I can't see this plan having any chance for success.

[Arteker]

I remember one specific barbraid where we were doing the boss in plane of innovation. It was VERY ugly with so many players lol but it was so much fun anyway. I think although the poll is locked in at dead even there may be enough players interested in this. I'm going to start asking around to certain guild's leadership if they want to participate. If you have a guild who would want to get in on this PM me or whatever.
was this before or after flag removal? knowing you after.

[Arteker]

It seems like many people think all that is involved in killing these mobs is just 'getting a zerg together'. Somebody has to coordinate where to park toons etc. Somebody has to coordinate/lead the raids. Somebody has to divy out the loot. Somebody has to be 'the leader' and make decisions. Trust me, decisions are not easy or fast when you have some sort of 'guild council' with guild leadership from multiple guilds trying to agree on something. Who makes these final decisions? Who makes day-to-day decisions? It just seems like too many people think that killing raid mobs on this server is about having 'a zerg' when there is so much more coordination and organization that goes on for this to happen. There is far more drama and soulcrushing in coordinating a bunch of random people from multiple guilds than I think some of you care to admit. Then there's just the whole aspect of getting people to sign up for this, getting leadership of other guilds to take a hands-off approach while still supporting the idea to its members, and I still don't quite see how you are going to get people to reliably track, without a hard-coded reward system in place.

I don't mean to be super negative about the idea... I just think you highly underestimate what will happen to this group's morale when TMO beats them to the punch the first few times and they start to realize that most of the time they respond to these batphones, it's just to waste time and hear/watch TMO get loot. So yeah, I support the idea, but the problem is that I really believe it has a very low chance to ever happen in the first place or that it will continue to happen if it does actually get off the ground. There are so many factors that have nothing to do with 'having a bunch of people being there to kill a dragon' that people don't think about.

Maybe the main point I am trying to make, is that organizing these things takes rock-solid drama-free leadership. Unless there is an extremely motivated and efficient leader in place, I can't see this plan having any chance for success.
thats why u realize the troubles a zerg force assembled face.

it isnt about managing to kill or make casual kill wich can always happen maybe in a repop. but what about normal windows when u ahd to assemble the force wait for neverendin buff request, more people showing up and delaying? 90% of the raid efared or eatin aoes.

[Raavak]

Will people who want to be on this batphone be excluded? Or is it free and open?

[Tasslehofp99]

was this before or after flag removal? knowing you after.

Before flag removal, but thanks for your negative comment.

[slappytwotoes]

Posts like this are a great example of why Congress doesn't ever get shit done. So much talking, nothing getting organized

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

^ This idea is clearly the best.. now do it

[Tasslehofp99]

1: slow.
2: cumbersome.
3: easily prone to drama and bitching.
4: another fantasy.

You have nothing positive to offer this thread other than de-railing, please don't post.

This is a serious topic of discussion, and if you have an issue with it than when the time comes you don't have to be a part of it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Will people who want to be on this batphone be excluded? Or is it free and open?

Im not sure members of TMO would be allowed to participiate, but this idea is far from being organized yet. This thread was more meant to gauge interest and collect some ideas. Either way, Im not sure that allowing TMO members would be the most fair/productive idea for a raid force like this. Especially considering TMO has monopolized raid content for the greater portion of 2 years, and they also sell epic loots which is one of the reasons I'd like to start a raid force like this going. People should be able to get their epics without paying out of the ass for them from TMO or any other guild for that matter.

[quido]

Time for an anon alt I guess! =)

[Raavak]

Im not sure members of TMO would be allowed to participiate, but this idea is far from being organized yet.Once someone starts with the "four legs good, two legs bad" talk I start to question where the exclusion and control ends. Good luck to you, though.

I was on E'ci and there was some pretty successful "public" raiding. It took a really strong personality and leader to make it happen, though (Ashorty).

[Autotune]

Look all you do is have a spreadsheet, add anyone new to the raid on the spreadsheet thats not already on it from previous raids. People who have attended previous raids get a +bonus to their ran 100 roll the more raids without winning a piece +bonus get bigger. Once said person wins a piece of loot there +bonus goes back to zero.

This is the modified roll that we used in WoW back when I raided like crazy there.

It actually works pretty damn well, even if people bank their +bonus to really high it gets sent back to 1-100 after they use it.

We also made it so that anyone over 200 (least I think it was 200) just did a roll of their max to their max, like /ran 200 200 and they would get the item straight out unless someone with a higher max wanted it. This means they would just be awarded the item straight out and have their MR reset to 1-100. Keeps it so they don't save up for an item they really want and then get a shitty roll and rewards them for showing up.

[SCB]

Allow any person, from any guild. Have the entire server just zerg everything until everyone realizes that zerging old pixels is the opposite of fun.

Then let's all break into small guilds and issue MechWarrior-style batchalls to see who gets raid targets.

[applesauce25r624]

doing less with moors™

it's MOOPS!

[Borador]

I have led raids in EQ and WoW for big guilds as well as PUGs for a long time, I've also joined a numerous pick up raids. I'm new to p99, so I cannot comment on the claims that TMO are an evil raid force or if everyone else is just jealous. It seems like there are a lot of great individuals and a lot of douchebags on both sides. With that said, here are my comments on this idea:

You MUST have a strong leader or leaders that make quick intelligent decisions. If any decision takes more than 30 seconds you will lose people fast. Once enough people are there, cut it off and go, waiting for "just one more" because they really need an epic will eventually kill pick up raids.

/random for loot! At most add in a modifier for lower levels, but nothing that requires tracking. Tracking DKP for a PUG takes too much time. DKP will turn off more people and cause more issues than /random. Loot is for upgrade only, unless you aren't getting numbers, in which case you open it up to everyone in order to get people in the raid (No drop excluded). This again requires a knowledgeable, decisive, and fair leader.

Lastly, you have to succeed. If you are fighting for FTE, wiping, or wasting time with drama during a raid it will quickly fizzle. Success would almost solely be dependent on a consistent smart leader. If people know that soandso will give them a chance at loot without a headache, they will show up.

The only other thing I'll say is it sounds like TMO kills every road boss within an hour or so? Unless that changed I don't see any pug raids taking off at all, maybe once a month.

[Joroz]

thats why u realize the troubles a zerg force assembled face.

it isnt about managing to kill or make casual kill wich can always happen maybe in a repop. but what about normal windows when u ahd to assemble the force wait for neverendin buff request, more people showing up and delaying? 90% of the raid efared or eatin aoes.

Lets face the facts... it takes no strategy to kill anything on this server... A zerg can easily win on a contested raid mob without any key classes. This strategy to get toons of any type to a mob and on FTE is a winner.

[Arteker]

Lets face the facts... it takes no strategy to kill anything on this server... A zerg can easily win on a contested raid mob without any key classes. This strategy to get toons of any type to a mob and on FTE is a winner.

dear iki war i have see you and a horde of players at gore gettin wiped and killed.
First bda kill of gore was during endagered species event of tmo, bda wouldnt have made it without certain wizard wich loves alot rnf.


toc toc alarti are you there? can you insert the pics?.

[Joroz]

dear iki war i have see you and a horde of players at gore gettin wiped and killed.
First bda kill of gore was during endagered species event of tmo, bda wouldnt have made it without certain wizard wich loves alot rnf.


toc toc alarti are you there? can you insert the pics?.

still doesn't take strategy... fear can be a bitch.

how about all the bind rushing attempts/wipes on gore at kc? Those would be more interesting pictures.

[agdros]

i love this idea.

Do it.
We love the racing against other guilds.

Just don't let this turn into a 24/7 poopsock of all targets outside of vp... poopsocks are not fun... at all.

[Tecmos Deception]

That's dumb, Joroz, saying "there's no strategy! we only were wiping with an 80-man zerg because fear can be a bitch."

Not getting feared IS the fucking strategy. It isn't especially complicated, but that doesn't mean it isn't strategy.


Editted to be nicer!

[Joroz]

That's dumb, Joroz, saying "there's no strategy! we only were wiping with an 80-man zerg because fear can be a bitch."

Not getting feared IS the fucking strategy. It isn't especially complicated, but that doesn't mean it isn't strategy.


Editted to be nicer!

People wipe for a variety of reasons to any given raid mob... but in the end its hack/slash/heal/nuke.... if that's what you are calling strategy... there has been bigger epic failures than 80 people to gore. The point is this batphone idea is a good idea. Not everyone wants to join a 24/7 raid guild to raid, open raids like this might be just what this server needs, and there is a huge pool of people to pull into it.

[Arteker]

still doesn't take strategy... fear can be a bitch.

how about all the bind rushing attempts/wipes on gore at kc? Those would be more interesting pictures.

1: i want to see how you can bind the meles in kc, without los.
2: you still dont fixt the fear issue.
3: you forgot lag and other troubles.
4: with no resist proper solid agro and in general someone to chew gore wich with slow will be hard as fuck.



maybe you dont remember the first gore free raid we had in this server was like 1 year or 2 years ago. before bda with the help of some tmo scrubs bored as fuck take it down.

u got a total of 120 player pug to wipe x2 at the ice cave .

[heals4reals]

http://s.gullipics.com/image/p/g/w/hq2x3b-jt24lx-tl5/img.jpeg

[JayN]

Step one quit your fucking jobs, step two form gimp-a-tron and pilfer other guild's guildmates, step three farm soul-fires harder; step four scream at people to show up for raids theyll never ever get loot from. Step Five complete a few successful raids pilfer the bounties and repeat process!

Transatlantic Rampage MMO how to guide..... I knew this sounded familiar!

[doraf]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).




Really good suggestion, loraen.

The issue is that I'm not even quite sure where the leadership of FE falls on this topic of discussion. I mainly just posted this to kind of get a feel for what others thought. What I was hoping is that we could just literally form a coalition among the servers guilds.


Like you suggested you really only need like 6 to 8 people to be on point and aware of whats going on. What I was hoping for was that we could all have our own guilds who operate on their own as usual.

We could pick 2 to 3 targets per week to just have people in the coalition park out at. Since I'm sure most guilds that raid have a batphone, we can just organize a small batphone for each guilds representatives to join. Representatives will be responsible for sending the call out to their respective guilds and making sure that their guildies are parked at the right targets throughout the week

As far as tracking goes and rewarding folks/keeping track of contributions that's where things get complicated as you suggested. I like the idea you propose I'm just not really in a position to approve such a measure. Id really like to hear where other guilds stand on this idea.


I dont really see an easier way for more casual folks to get involved with end game raiding. The idea of zerging shit down sucks, but in my opinion for the folks who need epic peices or gear having to sacrifice RL shit to get those items is worse.

Really though there is so many ways to do this, could even work out a system for rotating which guild gets epic peices and that way they could distribute loot the way they want. Anyone else got some good suggestions that we could discuss further?

Tasslehof, why don't you talk to Morphius? He is doing exactly what loraen has suggested and was made an officer for this reason. Maybe you two can work together on getting it up and running. I'm down for the idea, but I believe every raider should be interviewed, prove they have the resist gear and what's needed to mobilize. I'm not giving some random Taken or whatever guilds member an epic just because they follow us around on raids. They better "DO DAMAGE!" and not be there to make our lives harder.

A group of unorganized part time scrubs with absolutely no real leadership, level, or gear would be worse than watching a fraps of TMO and FE competing on a daily basis. We cause enough trains on our own. Go Team Scrub would be raid banned every other raid.

[Joroz]

1: i want to see how you can bind the meles in kc, without los.
2: you still dont fixt the fear issue.
3: you forgot lag and other troubles.
4: with no resist proper solid agro and in general someone to chew gore wich with slow will be hard as fuck.



maybe you dont remember the first gore free raid we had in this server was like 1 year or 2 years ago. before bda with the help of some tmo scrubs bored as fuck take it down.

u got a total of 120 player pug to wipe x2 at the ice cave .

Until there are scripted raid mobs this shit is put resist gear on and attack.... not real hard, anyone can do it. If people want to create strategy for simple mobs go for it.. binding under where you want to pull a dragon so you can bind rush is retarded but hey... if you suck you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Arteker]

Until there are scripted raid mobs this shit is put resist gear on and attack.... not real hard, anyone can do it. If people want to create strategy for simple mobs go for it.. binding under where you want to pull a dragon so you can bind rush is retarded but hey... if you suck you gotta do what you gotta do.

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

you speak of bind. u forgot meles cannot bind per se anywhere unlike casters and there is limits.

the resists, the famous resists,,,, resistsd dont work always and i doubt more than a 10% of a pug have even proper resists.


you speak of pulls have you pulled a dragon to a far away designated place?.

idk man i see you are just: numbers everything.

but as i pointed you i have seen 120+ players take in a mob like gore and wipe.in this server and u where one of them

[SCB]

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

you speak of bind. u forgot meles cannot bind per se anywhere unlike casters and there is limits.

the resists, the famous resists,,,, resistsd dont work always and i doubt more than a 10% of a pug have even proper resists.


you speak of pulls have you pulled a dragon to a far away designated place?.

idk man i see you are just: numbers everything.

but as i pointed you i have seen 120+ players take in a mob like gore and wipe.in this server and u where one of them

There's a reason zerg guilds were constantly mocked during live - they get shit done in the most stupid/illegitimate of ways.

Serverwide batphone could clear all content in this game up to and including VP (if it weren't constantly trained by TMO, which lets be real it would be). Resists be damned, if you just send in waves after each fear, you'll pull the dps to drop any mob. Gore? Have all groups push in one direction, sending in a new wave of 25 people after each fear. Done. Who cares if 80 people die? The only objective worth discussing is "did the mob die?"

You use the exact same strats a real guild uses, you just send in a hundred undergeared people instead of 6 BIS rogues. Easy peasy.

Doraf talking like "undergeared scrubs" would be "carried" is laughable (no offense man, because you know I've got no hate for you at all). Everything counts in large amounts, as TMO proves any time there is a server repop. They've got the force to contest multiple mobs at once, and they get almost every mob as a result.

Edit: Personally, while I'd love to see the raid scene utterly turned on its head by this idea, I think the most legitimate, realistic option is the "unofficial FE member" route.

[Joroz]

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

What is fun is you actually are convinced anything on p99 is hard besides just getting people to a mob before its down. Server-wide bat phone seems to be working on addressing that.

[Splorf22]

maybe you dont remember the first gore free raid we had in this server was like 1 year or 2 years ago. before bda with the help of some tmo scrubs bored as fuck take it down.

u got a total of 120 player pug to wipe x2 at the ice cave .

If you are talking about the Gore PUG from last winter (I think it was Christmas morning actually! NECKBEARD ALERT) we had about 15. I forget exactly who came but I think we had about five A-Team, and I also recruited Bringback from Divinity, Sentenza and Zagum from TMO on their wizards, Aata from Taken on her monk, and Slozem from Europa on his cleric (apologies to the people I forgot). We screwed up a little bit because our bard went AFK during the pull and Sakuragi got feared sans MR buffs, but we still managed to get her to 60-70% or so IIRC.

We were regrouping for round two when Eccezan showed up with 15+ TMO. He took over the raid by dint of his new force and spending more time in shout than anyone else. With our new players we got her to 80-90%, probably because he moved all of the wizards out of the bard group and they got shredded by the AOE. At that point we all drifted off to Christmas dinner.

[JayN]

PIPE DREAMS; keep on smoking those rocks you bi polar maniacs

[Arteker]

What is fun is you actually are convinced anything on p99 is hard besides just getting people to a mob before its down. Server-wide bat phone seems to be working on addressing that.

hard? this easy man very very easy, back in the day figthing officers than a paladin could tank innoruck ct in potime was possible, these where fun and hard days

[Arteker]

If you are talking about the Gore PUG from last winter (I think it was Christmas morning actually! NECKBEARD ALERT) we had about 15. I forget exactly who came but I think we had about five A-Team, and I also recruited Bringback from Divinity, Sentenza and Zagum from TMO on their wizards, Aata from Taken on her monk, and Slozem from Europa on his cleric (apologies to the people I forgot). We screwed up a little bit because our bard went AFK during the pull and Sakuragi got feared sans MR buffs, but we still managed to get her to 60-70% or so IIRC.

We were regrouping for round two when Eccezan showed up with 15+ TMO. He took over the raid by dint of his new force and spending more time in shout than anyone else. With our new players we got her to 80-90%, probably because he moved all of the wizards out of the bard group and they got shredded by the AOE. At that point we all drifted off to Christmas dinner.

Nah it happened around same time some stupid have no better idea than post rl pics of coldblooded and such.