Body aggro is not FTE?

[t0lkien]

Tonight in OOT on the Seafury island a pet class pulled a fury off me that had popped on me and aggroed, saying I hadn't damaged it and so it was up for grabs. I charm kite two mobs there at a time, keeping one as my pet (pet was almost dead so the aggroed mob was a free pull basically). I have to body pull the mob that isn't used as a pet so it aggroes my pet and not me - it's how aggro works, and is particularly sensitive on p99. If I damage the other mob in any way, it's almost impossible to charm kite it.

So, my question is, is that the way First To Engage (FTE) rules work on p99? Now the guy was just being a dick, but the point needs clarification. Does body aggro not qualify as aggro?

For the record (and I'm on Seafury Island almost every night lately) there are a lot of players who compete for seafuries, and it's understood I and other classes could pull the entire island and handle it easily if we wanted to. We don't do that, we share most of the time. I can say I'm always considerate of other players and have forgone mobs I could have taken because I know the other player has been looking for a while etc. So for me it's a matter of principle, not greed. The mob is irrelevant. The point is important (and also, I hate assholes in any form - in or out of game).

[Zeelot]

FTE = First person on the NPC aggro list. The type of aggro means nothing, be it body pulling, pet pulling, javelin, etc.

[Wudan]

lemme guess.... was it Tiggles on his fag mage?

[t0lkien]

No Tiggles is actually good natured and fair from what I've seen - on Seafury Island anyway :)

[gotrocks]

Fairly sure 'fte' only applies to raid mobs. Also fairly sure that for all other types of mobs, its sort of a 'common sense' applies kind of thing. The mob was clearly yours. This guy was simply being a dick. Not much else to it.

I really think a lot of you would like red. It's not the shitfest its made out to be on the forums. I'm a bluebie and have been playing there lately and having lots of fun - plus, this kind of bogus bullshit doesn't happen over there. Most people are actually pretty cool and willing to help each other.

Not trying to pitch red btw, just thought i'd point that out because its relevant.

[gotrocks]

Oh, also relevant. FTE has always meant the first player the mob has aggro on. I believe sirken made some sort of rule change regarding fte to instead mean first to damage on certain raid mobs or in certain situations. Raid mobs being the key word.

My whole point, tolkien, is that you were in the right, that guy was being a dick, and I think in general it sounds like you're a stand up player in and out of game. Unfortunately, you're going to have to do what a stand up player does and be the better man and just move on. If it keeps happening its probably worth a petition.

[Jarnauga]

FTE rules change with the position of the planets in the sky.

[Painperdu]

FTE rules change with the position of the planets in the sky.

To talk like this you surely are a shaman :D

[Tiggles]

Tonight in OOT on the Seafury island a pet class pulled a fury off me that had popped on me and aggroed, saying I hadn't damaged it and so it was up for grabs. I charm kite two mobs there at a time, keeping one as my pet (pet was almost dead so the aggroed mob was a free pull basically). I have to body pull the mob that isn't used as a pet so it aggroes my pet and not me - it's how aggro works, and is particularly sensitive on p99. If I damage the other mob in any way, it's almost impossible to charm kite it.

So, my question is, is that the way First To Engage (FTE) rules work on p99? Now the guy was just being a dick, but the point needs clarification. Does body aggro not qualify as aggro?

For the record (and I'm on Seafury Island almost every night lately) there are a lot of players who compete for seafuries, and it's understood I and other classes could pull the entire island and handle it easily if we wanted to. We don't do that, we share most of the time. I can say I'm always considerate of other players and have forgone mobs I could have taken because I know the other player has been looking for a while etc. So for me it's a matter of principle, not greed. The mob is irrelevant. The point is important (and also, I hate assholes in any form - in or out of game).

You had FTE

No Tiggles is actually good natured and fair from what I've seen - on Seafury Island anyway :)

GET OFF MY ISLAND

[Autotune]

Fairly sure 'fte' only applies to raid mobs. Also fairly sure that for all other types of mobs, its sort of a 'common sense' applies kind of thing. The mob was clearly yours. This guy was simply being a dick. Not much else to it.

I really think a lot of you would like red. It's not the shitfest its made out to be on the forums. I'm a bluebie and have been playing there lately and having lots of fun - plus, this kind of bogus bullshit doesn't happen over there. Most people are actually pretty cool and willing to help each other.

Not trying to pitch red btw, just thought i'd point that out because its relevant.

Actually, roaming mobs are FTE unless someone is camping a single spawn point.

You can't "camp" several sea furies. It's all about who can tag (fte) the fastest.

Most people use dmg as an indicator that they have tagged at sea furies tho, leaves no room for guessing. Body pulling is acceptable tho, just not standard there unless camping a single spawn.

[t0lkien]

If damage is the only indication of FTE, then a Bard/Enchanter only ever has "FTE" aggro on their pet when kiting and not the mob/s the pet is damaging. The other mobs are aggroed and damaged, but the player isn't credited with the damage by the aggro system. If you want to test this, sit down next to the mob/s when the pet has broken charm.... the non-pets will aggro you and not the Bard. The same holds true for all pet classes until they actually nuke the mob directly.

Also, what about root/snare? Do these not comprise aggro?

For me it's simple, if a mob is running at all, it's aggroed and so someone else has FTE and I leave it alone. If it's beating on either the player or their pet, it's aggroed. If it's rooted, it's aggroed. Heck, if there is a player in view running toward it, I go elsewhere. It takes a strange sort of entitlement to think otherwise IMO.

[Tiggles]

If damage is the only indication of FTE, then a Bard/Enchanter only ever has "FTE" aggro on their pet when kiting and not the mob/s the pet is damaging. The other mobs are aggroed and damaged, but the player isn't credited with the damage by the aggro system. If you want to test this, sit down next to the mob/s when the pet has broken charm.... the non-pets will aggro you and not the Bard. The same holds true for all pet classes until they actually nuke the mob directly.

Also, what about root/snare? Do these not comprise aggro?

For me it's simple, if a mob is running at all, it's aggroed and so someone else has FTE and I leave it alone. If it's beating on either the player or their pet, it's aggroed. Heck, if there is a player in view running toward it, I go elsewhere. It takes a strange sort of entitlement to think otherwise IMO.

Problem is assholes will do this and GMs usually won't respond, sometimes you have to inact island justice

[radditsu]

I like to root rot 7-8 seafury's at a time.

[t0lkien]

Problem is assholes will do this and GMs usually won't respond, sometimes you have to inact island justice

Survivor!

[t0lkien]

I like to root rot 7-8 seafury's at a time.

... and apparently you're not the only one. Thank God for track + Selos I say.

[Tiggles]

I like to root rot 7-8 seafury's at a time.

Fuck you!

Sirken confirmed that if you do more then 4 at once I can rob you of the rest

[Thulack]

Fuck you!

Sirken confirmed that if you do more then 4 at once I can rob you of the rest

And watchout cause if you do have more then 4 Tiggles WILL take mobs off you.

[Tiggles]

And watchout cause if you do have more then 4 Tiggles WILL take mobs off you.

100% confirmed

[Gadwen]

Fairly sure 'fte' only applies to raid mobs. Also fairly sure that for all other types of mobs, its sort of a 'common sense' applies kind of thing. The mob was clearly yours. This guy was simply being a dick. Not much else to it.

I really think a lot of you would like red. It's not the shitfest its made out to be on the forums. I'm a bluebie and have been playing there lately and having lots of fun - plus, this kind of bogus bullshit doesn't happen over there. Most people are actually pretty cool and willing to help each other.

Not trying to pitch red btw, just thought i'd point that out because its relevant.

FTE applies to everything, if you are sitting on a spawn for 4 hours and someone comes by just as it pops and snags it before you do it isn't considered a KS...sad but it has been proven to be true here.

[quido]

if tiggles took even one off of me because I had more than 4, I'd make sure the rest got on him

[Gadwen]

Fuck you!

Sirken confirmed that if you do more then 4 at once I can rob you of the rest

Does this go for any wandering mobs?

[Tiggles]

if tiggles took even one off of me because I had more than 4, I'd make sure the rest got on him

I agree, more gems that way!

[Autotune]

I agree, more gems that way!

Seriously, who can't take every seafury down at once?

Also, to the other guy talking about dmg being the only way... I just told you it was just the most common way.

[Nirgon]

if tiggles took even one off of me because I had more than 4, I'd make sure the rest got on him

None could interrupt the BundyQuest

We fly

No lie

You know this

[Lyra]

Actually, roaming mobs are FTE unless someone is camping a single spawn point

No, I was told just recently roaming mobs are not camp-able. Period. Single spawn point or not.

I learned this after camping the So Ro AC for five hours with a guild mate.

Just want to make this nice and clear.

[Autotune]

No, I was told just recently roaming mobs are not camp-able. Period. Single spawn point or not.

I learned this after camping the So Ro AC for five hours with a guild mate.

Just want to make this nice and clear.

Told by who?

Greetings,

We will be tweaking this along with some other rules as we move forward but it is time to address some issues with camps that have been coming up. I will try to use some examples to clarify rules.

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

*Example* You are doing Ghoul Magi, Lord, and Frenzy in lguk. Another group arrives to claim a camp. If they stumble upon a spawned room devoid of players, they can claim it. Where your group resides is your camp; choose wisely.

2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.

3. The efreeti spawn kind of covers both of these situations, with this camp in particular if you are not at the spawn and another group arrives, you lose it.

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.
*Example* An enchanter and lvl 40 ranger are in a group. The enchanter leaves to go kill frenzy and the ranger stay at lord. In this instance both camps are not considered held as the ranger could not survive this camp on his own without the enchanter.

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen.

7. We do not have a rule for how a camp will be handed off to another player. It is recommended the player interested in obtaining a camp work that out with who is on the camp already.
*Example* Player a is on jboots, player b comes and sits and just waits. If player a wants to hand off to his friend rather than player b, he has that right. If player a wants to hold a list and give to the next player on that list, that is also his right. GMs will not moderate that unless player b can prove he was deceived by player a with how the camp would be handed off.

Any deal between players trumps any of these rules so long as all players agree. These rules are here to be a guide to players for what rights they have while in the game. In my opinion this is very similar to what SoE did with camp disputes in game. As Nilbog has said in this thread, in 99 every named spawn in zones would have entire groups at them. If one group was capitalizing on more than one spawn and a second group wanted half or to share and then petitioned, PNP would be enforced and the groups would be forced to share. This is a guide explaining how we would like things to be shared.

Failure to comply and respect these rules will be viewed as disruptive behavior and players will be subject to disciplinary action. Please dont let it come to this.

[Lyra]

Told by who?

Ambrotos - August 11, 2013 at 10pm central


"The AC in South Ro is not Campable"

[t0lkien]

All of which has nothing to do with body aggro and FTE.... FYI.

However, everyone recognizes the South Ro AC camp as a camp, so go figure.

[Lyra]

All of which has nothing to do with body aggro and FTE.... FYI.

However, everyone recognizes the South Ro AC camp as a camp, so go figure.

I was correcting his statement. And ....Not everyone recognizes the camp but I'm not going to send this to RNF so will not elaborate.

I do apologize for steering off topic momentarily.

[JonathanHancock]

FTE means First To Engage soooooo.....


If the mobs is the "first to engage" does that make him up for grabs!?

[Acrux Bcrux]

I learned this after camping the So Ro AC for five hours with a guild mate.

Time for me to spend some more time in sro when people are doing that stupid ass cycle thing i guess.

[Autotune]

Time for me to spend some more time in sro when people are doing that stupid ass cycle thing i guess.

Yeah, kinda weird that Sro AC isn't a camp now, but if the rules changed, then they have.

SRO AC is (well was) a static spawn point that had a small straight line path back and forth.

[t0lkien]

Yeah, kinda weird that Sro AC isn't a camp now, but if the rules changed, then they have.

SRO AC is (well was) a static spawn point that had a small straight line path back and forth.

It still is. I really don't think anyone is going to seriously take an AC from someone camping it. That would be the height of asshattery. It's already such a long, painful camp without having to deal with someone else stealing the spawn when it finally happens.

[Lyra]

It still is. I really don't think anyone is going to seriously take an AC from someone camping it. That would be the height of asshattery. It's already such a long, painful camp without having to deal with someone else stealing the spawn when it finally happens.

I completely agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it did happen and Ambrotos responded saying it wasn't a camp. Wound + Salt = Hell hath no fury

[t0lkien]

I completely agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it did happen and Ambrotos responded saying it wasn't a camp. Wound + Salt = Hell hath no fury

Yeah, that's an odd call IMO.

[Ravager]

The rule should be changed to LTE. Whoever gets the slay message should get the exp and the loot rights.

[finalgrunt]

More like First To Petition.

[Handpartytowel]

why dont you just kill this person if he is being an asshole?

[t0lkien]

So.... this escalated today. Same Necro tried to steal a mob. I took it back with charm. He carried on in /ooc like it was justified and accusing me of a heap of stuff I've never done. Then he and another of his guildies (an Enchanter) started with their pets and nukes and fear etc. on any mob I pulled. I have no idea what this guy's (if he's older than 15 - I have my suspicions) issue is, but rather than get dragged into a pissy little KSing war I've petitioned.

I'd really like a response from a GM on this. I can keep it all ingame and just fight back and retaliate if that's the preference, but if not, what is the preferred way to handle this? I've screenshotted everything etc., but really, who wants to deal with this shyte.

[Tiggles]

So.... this escalated today. Same Necro tried to steal a mob. I took it back with charm. He carried on in /ooc like it was justified and accusing me of a heap of stuff I've never done. Then he and another of his guildies (an Enchanter) started with their pets and nukes and fear etc. on any mob I pulled. I have no idea what this guy's (if he's older than 15 - I have my suspicions) issue is, but rather than get dragged into a pissy little KSing war I've petitioned.

I'd really like a response from a GM on this. I can keep it all ingame and just fight back and retaliate if that's the preference, but if not, what is the preferred way to handle this? I've screenshotted everything etc., but really, who wants to deal with this shyte.

Name/Shame

[t0lkien]

Name/Shame

Trying to avoid that but it's becoming an option.

[Tiggles]

Trying to avoid that but it's becoming an option.

I'm in OOT right now so who is it,

ISLAND JUSTICE

[Tiggles]

Update

Barretz and Phacemeltar

[phacemeltar]

FUCK YOUUUUU

some bard gets to qqing in forums and i get harassed in game? AWESOME.

[Tiggles]

FUCK YOUUUUU

some bard gets to qqing in forums and i get harassed in game? AWESOME.

You done fucked up boy.

EQ is a game of Reputation.

Your short stay on this server is already at an end.

[phacemeltar]

i'd like to file a complaint

[phacemeltar]

You done fucked up boy.

EQ is a game of Reputation.

Your short stay on this server is already at an end.

and what is that supposed to mean, lady?

[t0lkien]

Hey, to be fair, and regardless of all the smack talk, the only one who admitted to actually messing with my mobs was Barretz. There were two pets on my mob at one stage and I put two and two together via the aggro in /ooc, but Phace could just have been taking a guildy's side, which is what we would all do. This is why I didn't want to name just yet :/

As you discovered, there's a lot of attitude going on, but he may be innocent of all but that.

[Cidz]

... really man, we brining this to the forums under lies ? Ok, I am the one who he is talking about, but I never stole any mobs from him. I had my pet on attack and was casting my dot on the mob ... as i had agro and the seafury was sicking my pet this guy came running by doing minor dmg to him stealing him away, as he did so my pet was still running at him did dmg and re took agro. Awen then got butt hurt and spammed /ooc chat about it and said he would steal every mob from me and continued to train mobs on me the rest of the night. Bottom of the line, he did so and every person on the island but Sslash saw Awen was a greedy bard pulling every mob on a Busy Seafury when he was the last person to show up on the island thus stealing our camps and being an incopnsiderate person (you were taking much more than 3 mobs man) we brought it up you bitched then you trained us ... is was that simple. I am done with this but want the public to know how it is ... read the logs or what ever its enough proof .. peace.

[Tiggles]

These two jokers are trying to KS a lvl 60 epic mage at lvl 45.

[t0lkien]

Oh good God what a pack of lies. I've never intentionally trained anyone, in 6 years of playing EQ all up. I was standing under the mob - which is how I simultaneously get body aggro and make certain I'm not pulling someone else's mob. That's right - I body aggro to avoid KSing accidentally (people often root mobs so it's hard to tell, and if hits me and then runs at me, it's free). It aggroed me long enough for me to run away land a dot (3+ seconds), then you attacked. You admitted in /ooc it was mine! What are you on? I didn't even know it was you who did it until you replied in /ooc to my "it was tagged" message.

And there's never any point to pulling more than 2 at a time to charm kite. If a third pops on me as I'm charming, I deal with it, but it's highly annoying because one will inevitably aggro me instead of my pet. Why would I pull more than 2 *ever*? Your accusations are not only completely false they are stupid, and only show you don't understand how bard charming works on p99. I *could* pull the island if I wanted to, but it's incredibly difficult to control and I'm screwed if I run out of mana which is likely, so why would I? I wouldn't do it anyway because I share, and that's not how I play. I don't even do it if I'm the only one there and there are seafuries everywhere. It's dangerous and stressful, and I spend my entire time running from a marauding pack of killer mobs. In the end there's little point to it.

What I do hate are KSing, lying, abusive assholes, and they get zero tolerance from me.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/t0lkien/barretzSS_zps138ea941.jpg

[Psipher]

I was not involved in the earlier incident, but i was on the island at the time.

We all know that sometimes people make mistakes. I personally did not witness it.

What I did witness was Tiggles coming in and KSing 3 mobs in a row from myself and phacemelter, after we had tagged them.

i was able to nuke one enough to loot it, after he went as far as to follow down to the beach side and put his epic pet on it.

and he calls us trash in ooc ?

yo'k.

[phacemeltar]

yea im a lvl 45 enchanter duoing furies with a mage, we killed the named too after "someone" trained it on us. we were owning the place until this lvl 60 came to KS us and "investigate" as he put it in ooc.

[Psipher]

So basically what happens is i get bullied by TMO TV cause some bard apparently lost ONE seafury 3 hours ago... precious.

[Kraftwerk]

This makes me want to log my Bard on and agro as many SFs as possible and kite them to FP.

[arsenalpow]

You done fucked up boy.

EQ is a game of Reputation.

Your short stay on this server is already at an end.

Tiggles rep speaks for itself

[quido]

Tiggles is a lot nicer in game than you are, Chest.

[arsenalpow]

Tiggles is a lot nicer in game than you are, Chest.

How do you figure?

[Psipher]

The above ooc picture shows that me and phace were busy killing the quag that got trained on us at the time this occured. While this was going on, we were struggling for our lives down on the beach while my pet was tanking the mob we already had and the quag that was trained by onto my pet.

Sorry Tiggles, I know you were there to put things right in some misguided way, but you took it out on the wrong people.

Honestly I think you owe me an apology.

[phacemeltar]

ill have what he's having!

[quido]

How do you figure?

server chat bro or I would happily oblige

[Psipher]

Problem is assholes will do this and GMs usually won't respond, sometimes you have to inact island justice



This "justice" apparently involved KS'ing other people than the one you were seeking.

[flatt]

You don't go to a whore house if your not looking for some ass, you don't go to that island if your not looking for drama

[quido]

I goto that island looking for ass

[Psipher]

Now as to the bards original post, the body contact pull, I dont see anything wrong with it, but you have to realize that when you drag the mob over other people and you have not done damage or something to the mob to get hate, it WILL hit them instead.

[t0lkien]

Now as to the bards original post, the body contact pull, I dont see anything wrong with it, but you have to realize that when you drag the mob over other people and you have not done damage or something to the mob to get hate, it WILL hit them instead.

Yes of course, and that's the Bard's responsibility to minimize that. Nothing you can do about people running near your mob though. As an aside, this remains true even if the mob has lost a lot of health from your pet (and you have since killed your pet). The mob aggros on you, but it's still just soft aggro, so you can't train it over anyone while looking for another pet. I learned that one the hard way.

[t0lkien]

I completely agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it did happen and Ambrotos responded saying it wasn't a camp. Wound + Salt = Hell hath no fury

FYI, on his stream last night, Sirken absolutely categorically contradicted this, and on CSR stuff he is pretty much the last word. If Ephi did say this (and that's not confirmed unless Ephi himself posts he did), Sirken has overruled it. The AC in South Ro is recognized as a legitimate camp and that will be enforced if necessary.

Also, for those who corpse camp this (by winning a ring and then dying and leaving it on their corpses so they can effectively "hold" multiple Lore rings), Sirken pretty passionately explained that by dying people have relinquished the camp. So if someone does this and claims the person waiting can't take the camp because the corpse campers port straight back or leave someone to hold the camp, the person waiting can (and should) claim the camp and enter a petition ticket if there is trouble. The corpse camper will not only lose the camp but gain a death touch and temporary suspension, as Sirken made it pretty clear he is none to fond of those who use such methods to monopolize spawns on important items, keeping players from gaining them in the normal way.

Lots of interesting tidbits on Sirken's stream. I recommend it.

[Sarius]

FYI, on his stream last night, Sirken absolutely categorically contradicted this, and on CSR stuff he is pretty much the last word. If Ephi did say this (and that's not confirmed unless Ephi himself posts he did), Sirken has overruled it. The AC in South Ro is recognized as a legitimate camp and that will be enforced if necessary.

Also, for those who corpse camp this (by winning a ring and then dying and leaving it on their corpses so they can effectively "hold" multiple Lore rings), Sirken pretty passionately explained that by dying people have relinquished the camp. So if someone does this and claims the person waiting can't take the camp because the corpse campers port straight back or leave someone to hold the camp, the person waiting can (and should) claim the camp and enter a petition ticket if there is trouble. The corpse camper will not only lose the camp but gain a death touch and temporary suspension, as Sirken made it pretty clear he is none to fond of those who use such methods to monopolize spawns on important items, keeping players from gaining them in the normal way.

Lots of interesting tidbits on Sirken's stream. I recommend it.

If a corpse camper hands the camp off to somebody to hold his spot, then reclaims it when he gets back, it is still his camp. This is defined in the server rules. There is no waiting list or next in line. Whoever holds the camp can hand it off to whoever he/she likes.

[t0lkien]

If a corpse camper hands the camp off to somebody to hold his spot, then reclaims it when he gets back, it is still his camp. This is defined in the server rules. There is no waiting list or next in line. Whoever holds the camp can hand it off to whoever he/she likes.

You know, he didn't specifically cover this practice in his comments that I remember. By his tone I'm guessing he's not going to be sympathetic to it, but he'd have to answer it for us to know for sure.

But seriously, what sort of douchebag does this if there are other players legitimately waiting? The act of dying relinquishes the camp, that's the message I got from what Sirken said. If there are others in the group who "hold it" while the camper ports back and loots a corpse, leaving the Lore item on the corpse, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that that situation is not covered in the server rules.

[Lyra]

FYI, on his stream last night, Sirken absolutely categorically contradicted this, and on CSR stuff he is pretty much the last word. If Ephi did say this (and that's not confirmed unless Ephi himself posts he did), Sirken has overruled it. The AC in South Ro is recognized as a legitimate camp and that will be enforced if necessary.

Also, for those who corpse camp this (by winning a ring and then dying and leaving it on their corpses so they can effectively "hold" multiple Lore rings), Sirken pretty passionately explained that by dying people have relinquished the camp. So if someone does this and claims the person waiting can't take the camp because the corpse campers port straight back or leave someone to hold the camp, the person waiting can (and should) claim the camp and enter a petition ticket if there is trouble. The corpse camper will not only lose the camp but gain a death touch and temporary suspension, as Sirken made it pretty clear he is none to fond of those who use such methods to monopolize spawns on important items, keeping players from gaining them in the normal way.

Lots of interesting tidbits on Sirken's stream. I recommend it.

It was Ambrotos, not Ephi. We know that these kinds of infractions have to be dealt with immediately, because once the ring becomes someones J-boots it's too late. Ambrotos was the decision maker at that moment. It's not like I can request a review of his decision and get an answer before the ring becomes boots. I did put in a petition after reading this thread, but apparently there are 20 pages of petitions. It's whatever. I managed to get Algna her boots in OOT, so I hope I've revived her faith in the P99 community for now. Still working on my recovery.

[t0lkien]

It was Ambrotos, not Ephi. We know that these kinds of infractions have to be dealt with immediately, because once the ring becomes someones J-boots it's too late. Ambrotos was the decision maker at that moment. It's not like I can request a review of his decision and get an answer before the ring becomes boots. I did put in a petition after reading this thread, but apparently there are 20 pages of petitions. It's whatever. I managed to get Algna her boots in OOT, so I hope I've revived her faith in the P99 community for now. Still working on my recovery.

Sorry Lyra, don't know what's wrong with my eyes. You clearly said Ambrotos and I remembered Ephi :/

I'd bump your petition a few times as it pushes it back to the top, and Sirken also approved (and suggested) doing that, as petitions that are below the fourth page disappear into a black hole never to be seen again. I'm not sure what can be done in your situation, but Sirken seemed fairly passionate about this issue in the positive.

The only condition was that PH's and nameds were taken down within minutes of popping i.e. you were clearly clearing the camp and being active, not AFK.