Harmony in Veeshan's Peak?

[Ele]

Would like additional input from the community regarding the use of the Druid/Ranger spell Harmony in Veeshan's Peak. I've been told via anecdotes that this spell should not work in VP eventhough VP is flagged as outdoors (similar to levitate/dmf/atone being disabled in Sky and shrink outdoors/KC).

Found this quote on the Druids Grove regarding the usage of Harmony and its prior disabling in VP. The post is from June 2003, but references back to the original VP. The second post is in reference to the first post "Thanks for not nerfing our Harmony" in relation to VP.

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-2681.html

They unnerfed harmony. Harmony didn't used to work there but Pacify did even though it was outdoors. Was quite annoying.

[nilbog]

Any further evidence?

Easy to nerf.

[Zapatos]

As much as I don't want it to be true, it's true at least by the PoP era(eqmac). Sorry dudes

Edit - I just ran my druid in on the mac server to test it out. I'd never really gone in there anyways otherwise I'd have known. Below is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIBs6FzSk4

[Raavak]

06-03-2003, 09:58 AM

Veeshan's Peak
Raptors are animals, but have been tagged uncharmable. I have no data on how enchanters do with charm. Thanks for not nerfing our Harmony.

They unnerfed harmony. Harmony didn't used to work there but Pacify did even though it was outdoors. Was quite annoying.
Leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/ isn't helping any.

[Ele]

As much as I don't want it to be true, it's true at least by the PoP era(eqmac). Sorry dudes

Edit - I just ran my druid in on the mac server to test it out. I'd never really gone in there anyways otherwise I'd have known. Below is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIBs6FzSk4

Nice, thank you.

[Arteker]

we didint have a single keyed druid for vp , but yes 2 rangers in kunark vp , and we always used them as pullers for most dragons.


i recall the pacify lull stoped working in the revamped version , wich was launched at first in stormhammer server.

but we always though it was due to the massive nerf ,encs ,clerics got in the lull line in pop.

aswell monk lull did not worked, and yes for some people who dont know, monks got a lull later in game .:p

[pasi]

we didint have a single keyed druid for vp , but yes 2 rangers in kunark vp , and we always used them as pullers for most dragons.


i recall the pacify lull stoped working in the revamped version , wich was launched at first in stormhammer server.

but we always though it was due to the massive nerf ,encs ,clerics got in the lull line in pop.

aswell monk lull did not worked, and yes for some people who dont know, monks got a lull later in game .:p

I don't remember using harmony since FD + CoS pulling made for clean pulls, so I'm not taking a stance in this thread. However, I'm going to clarify the broken english here - VP did undergo changes in early PoP - and no I'm not referring to the change of the zone to elemental Plane Level.

I don't know if EQMac would be absolute proof for either side, but the state on EQMac might not mirror the Kunark-Luclin live state.

[nilbog]

the raptor thing was a nerf unrelated to VP i believe, this project currently has uncharmable (by druid) raptors in TD

Correct. Harmony nerf would be zone-related, not npc-related.

[Tasslehofp99]

Nevermind.

[nilbog]

I don't remember using harmony since FD + CoS pulling made for clean pulls, so I'm not taking a stance in this thread. However, I'm going to clarify the broken english here - VP did undergo changes in early PoP - and no I'm not referring to the change of the zone to elemental Plane Level.

I don't know if EQMac would be absolute proof for either side, but the state on EQMac might not mirror the Kunark-Luclin live state.

Considering it wasn't revamped until 2004, the state of VP on EQmac is the oldest in existence.

Harmony may no longer be used in VP, pending update.

[Arteker]

Considering it wasn't revamped until 2004, the state of VP on EQmac is the oldest in existence.

Harmony may no longer be used in VP, pending update.

actualy the live revamp released to normal servers was 2004 in stormhammer it was late 2003 . i was part of the few stormhammer players who actualy had the key pre revamp and field etst the zone in private with then GM lead Pugigi.

this initial revamp didint have quests but yes planar items level drops and the chance to spawn mini bosses for the classic loot.

quests where added later along the event for the new key .

[nilbog]

actualy the live revamp released to normal servers was 2004 in stormhammer it was late 2003 .

Cool, didn't know that.

Either way, eqmac is PoP era which is 2002. If further evidence presents itself later, or before next patch, update this.

[Arteker]

Cool, didn't know that.

Either way, eqmac is PoP era which is 2002. If further evidence presents itself later, or before next patch, update this.

i had printed stormhammer bulletyn and the addons for the new zones revamps updates sadly i dont own a scanner.

i only can tell you the lvl 65 pacify worked in vp as well harmony .

the main thing come to mind is they removed actualy the insta repop chance and the 1500 hitter wurms .

eqmac is pop era but as far i saw there is tweaks from further expansions like stun nerf agro.

[Nirgon]

Harmony may no longer be used in VP, pending update.

http://gartic.uol.com.br/imgs/mural/_c/_casper/mother-of-god.png

Ele & co... gj.

[pasi]

Considering it wasn't revamped until 2004, the state of VP on EQmac is the oldest in existence.


VP did undergo changes in early PoP - and no I'm not referring to the change of the zone to elemental Plane Level.

I used 'early' since I refer to PoP era as the PoP to GoD era without regard to LoY or LDoN for obvious reasons.

May 13, 2003 - Veeshan's Peak - We have changed this zone to make it more appealing, particularly for those playing with one or two groups. We have removed the restriction against using gate in this zone and modified the zone population. Over all, the zone will be better to play in.

VP underwent a mini-revamp on May 13, 2003. They added a bunch of named NPCs, changed the respawn of the zone, changed pathing, changed it so you can gate, removed what we called splitters, removed the ass-rape melee wurms, and some other stuff that I'm not recalling.

Anyhow, I'm not aware of what date EQMac goes up to. EQMac has a functional PoTime which would put its patch to May 20ish, 2003. However, they don't have Veksar which would push this date back. To top matters off, their Allakhazam Mirror lists nameds from this version of VP that I'm referring to, but also lists NPCs from the Elemental-VP revamp which clearly isn't the case.

This is what I thought Arteker was referring to. I can't see any reason for them to remove harmony to make the zone more difficult when the goal was to make the zone easier, but EQ patches aren't known for their precision. Overall, I agree with the decision to remove Harmony from VP.

[Treats]

EQMac Client didn't get anymore updates after October 2002 (Approximate).

Hobart has fixed some bugs there but I don't think anything was ever changed regarding Veeshan's Peak.

[pasi]

EQMac Client didn't get anymore updates after October 2002 (Approximate).

Hobart has fixed some bugs there but I don't think anything was ever changed regarding Veeshan's Peak.

Much love as always Treats.

Did Hobart specifically add PoTime to EQMac on his own then?

[SamwiseRed]

druid and ranger stock just went down a little. pras.

[Handull]

druids and rangers were already doomed in vp. hide being fixed to invis only means they aren't safe, and the current single target harmony and despell bugs didn't help.

[Tasslehofp99]

I just fail to see the importance of removing harmony in VP when only one guild ever zones in there due to the flaws in the rules concerning the zone. Training isn't classic, so whats the issue with harmony being used there?

[cyryllis]

because once harmony is nerfed, there is even less of a chance of other guilds to succeed there

hooray