Black Dire

[Boilon]

So I found a group of people (not naming names right now) that were pulling Black Dire to the pond at the zone in to Mistmoore and kiting him around the pond while the Wizard in the group proceeded to nuke him down. The person kiting him around was a bard with slow song for agro and selo'ing around the pond so he didn't get hit (though he almost died at some point). Is this classic?

Also, is this considered exploiting pathing to kill a mob? I.e is this something that should be reported as intentionally exploiting pathing to kill a mob without physically engaging it? I'm not sure what sort of rules are in place with regards to pathing and higher named killing. At one point another member of the group was kiting black dire around the pond while waiting for the bard (who was low hp due to some spells I guess) to come back in to the zone to resume kiting... I have never seen anyone do this with Black Dire but let me know if there is anything wrong here.

[Stinkum]

This thread should probably be in the Petitions section under the 'Exploit' drop-down.

I am not saying it is an exploit, just saying where it belongs. I personally don't see how this is in anything other than standard low-HP kiting.

[Boilon]

This thread should probably be in the Petitions section under the 'Exploit' drop-down.

I am not saying it is an exploit, just saying where it belongs. I personally don't see how this is in anything other than standard low-HP kiting.

Naw this was not intended as low-hp kiting. It just happened that the bard got really low hp throughout the kiting process. I believe Black Dire casts sk/necro spells? So that was probably what he was getting hit by. But, you're right maybe indeed this is the wrong section, wasn't sure where to put it.

[kaos057]

Are you asking if aggro kiting is exploiting?

[Boilon]

Are you asking if aggro kiting is exploiting?

he kept walking back and forth through the pond (the bard) thus having Black Dire move in a fashion that the mob was never actually getting to him. Rather Black Dire should have moved through the pond rather than around the pond to attack him (thus looping Black Dire back and forth). I mean I'll post some screenshots maybe that might help I don't know but to me, unless I'm super tired it seems like there's something wrong with this. Or maybe like said above this is rather something for the petition/exploit forum.

[kaos057]

If he has to keep moving its not an exploit. It's not like he just stood in water and the mob just sat there looking at him while being nuked to death right? I'm actually surprised an NPC is actually following pathing. Usually they just warp around and walk through walls.

[lecompte]

I'm pretty sure this strategy isn't all that uncommon. I recall people doing it with lev and couple of pet classes... Takes forever though.

[Ele]

he kept walking back and forth through the pond (the bard) thus having Black Dire move in a fashion that the mob was never actually getting to him. Rather Black Dire should have moved through the pond rather than around the pond to attack him (thus looping Black Dire back and forth). I mean I'll post some screenshots maybe that might help I don't know but to me, unless I'm super tired it seems like there's something wrong with this. Or maybe like said above this is rather something for the petition/exploit forum.

People would do this with juggs in sebilis over the water before Trakanon's lair. It was considered a pathing exploit in that case. Certain locations would cause the juggs to bounce between pathing nodes.

[Boilon]

People would do this with juggs in sebilis over the water before Trakanon's lair. It was considered a pathing exploit in that case. Certain locations would cause the juggs to bounce between pathing nodes.

Well taking that example and relating it to what I saw then, would it be a similar situation? Is this something for this forum or more for something I should use petition/exploit ?

Also the fire giants in Solb can also be infinitely kited using the ledge near the castle to get them to run back and forth. Wouldn't this also be a similar situation? So what do we do with this sort of thing?

[kaos057]

I guess it depends how you look at it. Should the person doing it get in trouble? I would say no. Should it be fixed? Definitely (if it wasnt like that in classic)

[radditsu]

If the mob was still doing damage. It is just kiting, which is not a crime. Leving over buildings in com and dot rotting would be a crime. I bet a really really good shaman could solo.... if its not done already. Resists like a beast though

[pharmakos]

if this is an exploit then we're gonna need to ban every druid on the server

[Handull]

if you run in circles and avoid getting hit, thats not an exploit

if you dance around a very small area but the dance causes the mob to re-path and never reach you, or if you can stand still and the mob can never reach, thats an exploit

anything in between is grey and open for debate

regardless, if you want to submit the pathing to MM as a bug, then be more specific (pictures, video, maps, etc). if you want to report someone for exploiting, you came to the wrong place

[Alunova]

Don't see anything wrong here as long as Black Dire had the ability to attack and reach the player (if he caught up to the bard)

[big mouth chew]

he kept walking back and forth through the pond (the bard) thus having Black Dire move in a fashion that the mob was never actually getting to him. Rather Black Dire should have moved through the pond rather than around the pond to attack him (thus looping Black Dire back and forth).

sounds exactly like exploits tbh

[Alunova]

Meh missed that, original story was kiting around the pond. Will check it out

[Alunova]

Can't completely fix this, but it will be much harder to kite around the pond and there will be much less running back and forth after next reboot.

Fixed, pending update

[derpcake]

I can assure you, using pathing in the freeport arena to kill Jakom, and jumping in the arena to avoid PVE death xp loss, are 100% classic features.

Got suspended for it once.

Worked until 2005ish? Later even .. still works on P99 because its classic I guess :)

And same is done with levi at AM pit in guk, and then prolly in 100 other locations.