kill multiquesting

[Reapin]

Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.

[Thulack]

Then the game has been broken for 14 years.

[kenzar]

Crying harder now Reapin? That should yield better results, I'm sure of it. Let's see where this goes, then off to RnF with it again.

Leveling past twenty would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.

[Khaleesi]

Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.

There's a thread from Toodles last year that touches on this.
I tended to agree. Classic vs non classic aside, MultiQuesting is simply unnecessary and creates a situation where greed once again dominates a server that's supposed to allow us to relive an old experience but in a more laid back environment, without all of the stresses and suffering once endured.

I constantly see pipes for example in Karnors snatched up by someone whom has no business looting it, because it's technically 'usable' by anyone since it can be multi quested.

[fishingme]

agreed with stopping MQ. half/half on whether or not it'd be a good idea to stop jboots MQ. But epic MQ for damn sure, can let the MQs continue for paladins though. But seeing a lvl 1 cleric with the epic is pretty ridiculous and not classic.

[Halius]

Lets enable instancing so everyone can farm everything themselves. Bots will help us solo it also.

Haha WoW and live EQ mixed into one. Nice.

[Bantam 1]

Lets enable instancing so everyone can farm everything themselves. Bots will help us solo it also.

Horrible straw man. Since when does eliminating a player greed issue make the game like WoW? Its like saying gay marriage will ruin thr American family.

[Pringles]

I have a feeling your posting privileges are going to be revoked after making an RnF post in server chat, getting it moved to RnF, then making a duplicate thread in Server chat.

[Spitty]

3 or 4 threads today.

Suspension incoming.

[lecompte]

This topic could be treated as a serious one acceptable for Server Chat if people would respond that way. I think Reapin has a valid point. Multiquesting does create some unsavory financial mechanics on our server but I don't know if it should, or even could, be removed.

... I haven't been keeping up on the forums today... based on the post above mine, this is just getting spammy?

[cukazi]

While we are at it we should also force TMO to start handing out the guts for the bard epic and other pieces that come off raid mobs.

But on a serious note the only epic or quest for that matter that this might help is ragefire for clerics (this will be solved when velious comes along with others) And since he drops loot he will be farmed anyway. If something you want or need is camped you wait in line for it or come back later. Jboots I see uncamped a lot. I guess I just don't undertand why people selling mq's is such a big deal. People who play this game are mostly trying to relive an experience they had 14 years ago but we have all grown up since then and a lot of us don't have unlimited time to throw at the game.

I earned my epic the first second and third time I did it on live. I will earn my epic here. If I need to wait to camp something I will because that is oart of the game.

I have seen many people give mqs away to people in need and theres no reason to fuck over them because some people want to sell stuff. Competition is fun deal with it.

[ncapatina]

This topic could be treated as a serious one acceptable for Server Chat if people would respond that way. I think Reapin has a valid point. Multiquesting does create some unsavory financial mechanics on our server but I don't know if it should, or even could, be removed.

... I haven't been keeping up on the forums today... based on the post above mine, this is just getting spammy?

No it just is a duplicate thread from one that got moved to the R&F forum.

Creating unsavory things you don't like isn't a reason to change the core way the game operates. The funny part is there will be even more people whining after said change who don't have the means to acquire an epic on their own, and are farming some low level mob so they can eventually afford to buy the MQ.

If they start trying to legislate behavior with game changes this server will be gone in no time. I have faith in the men (or women) behind the curtain to see that.

[ncapatina]

If I need to wait to camp something I will because that is part of the game.


Well said. And if you don't feel like waiting in line then go camp something else and sell that item. Then buy the MQ.

[Thulack]

Why don't we add in the trivial loot code too while we at it? Come velious how many people that actually need SCHW are gonna be the one camping it? I bet none. Your argument that greedy people MQ can also be said about any money camp in the game.

[Reapin]

Killing stuff to collect bronze to sell for your spells is far different than killing EPIC quest mobs for their loot for multiquesting.

Somehow the Epic weapon seems a little less so when you see a level 5 with one. I don't know if it is possible, but I have heard of certain players who have many corpses, each with an AC ring so they have a constant supply of rings for multi-questing. Its stupid. I remember on classic when I was level 40 and EARNED my jboots by killing the AC myself. It was a great battle and one of my favorite EQ memories. On this server, such an experience is robbed from people because so and so has a spawn down so well they could one shot kill it and auction it away. None of you see what MQing takes away from the game? Sure you do, but seeing your plat total go up is all you care about.

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play. People need to be encouraged to experience EQ and not take shortcuts. That's why we play right? Because we love the game. Well try playing it. There is nothing more classic than that.

[Spitty]

I like how you accuse people of being blind to how MQing "takes away from the game" when your ENTIRE FUCKING POINT is taking away something from everyone else's gaming experience.

You're a hypocrite and annoying as all get-out. Stop pushing your perception of the classic experience on us, you hypocrite.

[Reapin]

I like how you accuse people of being blind to how MQing "takes away from the game" when your ENTIRE FUCKING POINT is taking away something from everyone else's gaming experience.

You're a hypocrite and annoying as all get-out. Stop pushing your perception of the classic experience on us, you hypocrite.


I don't think I can help you because you are unable to see beyond your own selfish desires.

[ncapatina]

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play. People need to be encouraged to experience EQ and not take shortcuts. That's why we play right? Because we love the game. Well try playing it. There is nothing more classic than that.

So you're arguing your point of removing something by stating how popular it is with the general population?

Just because you had a certain experience doesn't mean other people shared it with you. Maybe someone camped the AC for days and hated every excruciating second of it and would have loved for someone to offer them a MQ for plat they had no other use for aside from twinking out an alt. Then they could have gone back to doing what they wanted to do, and "played the game" the way they felt it provided the most enjoyment.

You're acting like we're having a debate of two choices:
1) Buy all your gear via MQ
2) Eliminate MQing completely

In reality, the debate is this:
1) Give people the option to MQ if that is what the want to do
2) Eliminate the ability for someone to choose

What about the people who can't get a group together to take down an epic mob? By your logic everyone should have a fair shot at an epic, so why not make it a random world drop or off a soloable mob? By eliminating MQing you're actually reducing the amount of people who will have access to an epic weapon, not increasing it.

Honestly, if you were arguing that epics are too easily obtained because of MQing, or that you don't have to be a heavily invested end game raider type (which the weapons were really there for on live) to get one, and THAT is why MQing should be eliminated then I would still disagree but I'd probably see your angle a little better.

But you're not, you are arguing that people can farm quest pieces for alts and to sell so other people can't get at that content as often as they'd like.

One thing we completely agree on, seeing a level 5 with an epic sucks. I wouldn't mind one of those dudes tanking for me though.

[Stinkum]

List of people in this thread that need to calm down:

- Everyone

[Spitty]

I don't think I can help you because you are unable to see beyond your own selfish desires.

Wait, isn't that exactly what your entire argument is? Your selfish desire to force everyone to play through your classic-tinted glasses? Maybe you should turn that help-cannon on your own self, buddy.

I'm trying really hard not to label every lunatic moron on the internet a troll, but you're making that extremely challenging.

[thugcruncher]

If multiquesting is removed, people will just camp the mobs and destroy the nodrops instead of selling them, out of spite, or out of their lust for power.

[Spitty]

I was waiting for thread 5 or 6 before I brought up "WTS LOOT RIGHTS".

Because that shit is exactly what would happen if MQing was removed.

This guy's entire argument is a logical fallacy, fueled by 92-octane idiocy.

[Stinkum]

Spitty, you may have some anger issues friend.

[Spitty]

Don't 'friend' me, you fucking whackjob.

[SCB]

I was waiting for thread 5 or 6 before I brought up "WTS LOOT RIGHTS".

Because that shit is exactly what would happen if MQing was removed.

This guy's entire argument is a logical fallacy

not sure of his octane level, so i omitted that. otherwise qft.

[Reapin]

Something needs to be done beyond saying "No more Multiquesting"

If a player is below the level for the item, the quest mob should eat the turn ins or have the quest mob poof if killed by someone over a certain level.

Obviously just making a rule wont do it because the no lifers greed and selfishness has no bounds.

[Spitty]

Angry Spitty Labs tested the volatility of the posts and confirmed an A-weighted level at or above 92 per unit, peer certification pending.

We appreciate your QFT and will notify the research department that their efforts have not gone unnoticed.

[SCB]

Something needs to be done beyond saying "No more Multiquesting"

If a player is below the level for the item, the quest mob should eat the turn ins or have the quest mob poof if killed by someone over a certain level.

Obviously just making a rule wont do it because the no lifers greed and selfishness has no bounds.

Recommended Levels on items are a post-Velious addition to the game, and as such are not going to be added to P99.

You can have those when I can have my fucking compass back. RIP compassbro. You are missed.

[fastboy21]

It's not like the market is cornered. If you want to make pp and buy a mq you can. If you want to camp the quest bit you can do that too.

Yes, It is hella lame that lvl 1s are running around with their cleric and rogue epics..,but that is what happens when you take classic eq and play it on a never ending server that will forever be in classic. Think it is out of control now? Check back in another couple years...

This whole server is an experiment in how long a server can persist in classic content before the community collapses on itself. Five years? Seven? It's already lasted longer thn some said it would. Some folks already are calling for a server reset, etc.

[Ele]

Recommended Levels on items are a post-Velious addition to the game, and as such are not going to be added to P99.

You can have those when I can have my fucking compass back. RIP compassbro. You are missed.

Sold at vendors!

http://wiki.project1999.org/Compass

[citizen1080]

Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.

QQ

[SamwiseRed]

mqing is pretty stupid, got rogues with epic who have no idea how to get it.. lulz pathetic.

[Bantam 1]

Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.

Isn't your epic really cheap?

[Langrisser]

Wait, isn't that exactly what your entire argument is? Your selfish desire to force everyone to play through your classic-tinted glasses? Maybe you should turn that help-cannon on your own self, buddy.

I'm trying really hard not to label every lunatic moron on the internet a troll, but you're making that extremely challenging.

lol forced to .. play classic on a classic server for free...

yea. i think there is a reason maybe why that would be the trend that should be honored. hard to think why... hmmm

[Babayaaga]

On a server where there's about 1000 players, I would imagine that reputation has some value.

I'm new to project 1999 but if it is anything like Xegony back in the day, a spoiled reputation resulted in reduced opportunity overall.

If I'm right, then forget asking the devs to do something about it because the power lies with the player, and it starts with /ignore.

[t0lkien]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/t0lkien/images_zps6316da71.png

[Langrisser]

reputation... of the traded account? account you're going to trade? sold for plat?

or the profits from trading and rmting used to create "legit" characters with clean rep?

what rep? you think thats air you're breathing? you think you know everyones characters....

so mad so sad

[Langrisser]

Veltin and Jools are my only characters. *cough*. I could never get an epic with my rep I hear. That's why i have three. All without MQing and QQing.

touch my tip everyone

[Tecmos Deception]

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play.

Making platinum IS playing the game. So is putting in the (perhaps ridiculous) amount of effort required to get a drop/epic/whatever directly. It sounds like you aren't willing to do either of those things though. It sounds like you're part of Generation Entitlement. It sounds like you want what you want even if it isn't what the staff wants (even though it's their fucking server) or many other people want (who gives a fuck about them right? the greedy fucks, only caring about they wan... oh wait).

[Gel Mibson]

I don't think you need to kill MQ per say, but limit MQ's to 46+. Most of the purchases are for lvl 1 alts anywyz

[Spitty]

lol forced to .. play classic on a classic server for free...

yea. i think there is a reason maybe why that would be the trend that should be honored. hard to think why... hmmm

Are you fucking retarded for a living?

[Krycek]

I for one am glad there are ppl selling MQ's for various things, like rogue epic. I've already did all that jazz years ago and not really worried about "earning" it again. But nothing was stopping me from doing it myself. As far as jboots goes, I was able to get that camp a few different times til I got my AC to spawn, just do /who all sro, send a tell to someone there or run there and CC. If its camped ask the person if they'll send you a tell when they leave etc, same way as it was in classic, gotta wait your turn.

Now that I have a decently high lvl character I can afford to buy the MQ for an alt later on instead of having to camp it again, win win.

[Trojanman]

MQing was never intended in the game, it was more of an exploit. I agree it should be removed.

[skipdog]

I was waiting for thread 5 or 6 before I brought up "WTS LOOT RIGHTS".

Because that shit is exactly what would happen if MQing was removed. .

[kaev]

Sold at vendors!

http://wiki.project1999.org/Compass

Oh c'mon Ele. Implying that a nigh worthless piece of crap that uses an inventory slot and is unaffected by character skill is somehow the same/equivalent to a useful UI widget that works based on character skill is 100% disingenuous and you know it.

[cyryllis]

the ability to MQ has been a fundamental part of everquest from the beginning. I got most of my alts kael armor multiquested in velious on live because its not really fun for me to camp a set of armor / gems after doing it the first time or 2.

Whether they originally intended MQ to work or not, sony never removed the ability to do so in any expansion we will see on this server.

If you really think they would remove MQ from working, you are only fooling yourselves. Its as classic as recharging at vendors.

[nilbog]

MQing was never intended in the game, it was more of an exploit. I agree it should be removed.

To be fair, monk FD was not originally designed to function as a pulling tool.

[Spitty]

Nor was p99 originally designed as a playground for people who like to tell developers what to do.

[ncapatina]

Spitty, you may have some anger issues friend.

Don't call him friend, buddy.

[Ele]

Oh c'mon Ele. Implying that a nigh worthless piece of crap that uses an inventory slot and is unaffected by character skill is somehow the same/equivalent to a useful UI widget that works based on character skill is 100% disingenuous and you know it.

So it actually works better. :p We can use a rusty sword to find north. Blazing the wilderness trails.

[webrunner5]

The average person on here does not have the time or the knowledge to loot high end content. Unless you are in a high end guild raiding a lot for DKP you are not going to get these items. So MQ is probably the only way you may get them.

[Langrisser]

threfore you dont deserve them.

EQ is a harsh mistress my brews. Go back to WoW for easymodes.

[fastboy21]

threfore you dont deserve them.

EQ is a harsh mistress my brews. Go back to WoW for easymodes.

Since when was life about getting what you deserve? The reality is that in EQ if you have deep pockets you can get your hands on just about any item in game. It was like this on live too, just not as obvious with the shorter time line.

Welcome to classic EQ...

[citizen1080]

With plat all things are possible. As it should be. Shits classic

[Langrisser]

and if you cant earn the plats, just buy em

yea i remember everyone on live had every item.

shits vlassic

eat me RMTers

[Spitty]

Whatever the fuck drug you're on, Langrisser, you need to quit before it kills you.

[radditsu]

Whatever the fuck drug you're on, Langrisser, you need to quit before it kills you.

Trolling in server chat is a good idea and relevant. Keepin it classy since 1999!

[Langrisser]

im on the p99 brew... EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE

rmt wasnt allowed on live and thats what these mq'rs lead to.

they aint doin it for friends brews, just plats. why plats? $$

unvlassic

[Langrisser]

how can you kill that which has no life?

kill the mq'rs thats how

[Langrisser]

Making platinum IS playing the game. So is putting in the (perhaps ridiculous) amount of effort required to get a drop/epic/whatever directly. It sounds like you aren't willing to do either of those things though. It sounds like you're part of Generation Entitlement. It sounds like you want what you want even if it isn't what the staff wants (even though it's their fucking server) or many other people want (who gives a fuck about them right? the greedy fucks, only caring about they wan... oh wait).


if you are willing to spend that amount of time to make plats, you could do the quest.

if you cant, then qq more. sounds vlassic to me.. only difference is p99 catches the RMT.

Big ups to the staff for doing it better then live!

[Langrisser]

I for one am glad there are ppl selling MQ's for various things, like rogue epic. I've already did all that jazz years ago and not really worried about "earning" it again. But nothing was stopping me from doing it myself. As far as jboots goes, I was able to get that camp a few different times til I got my AC to spawn, just do /who all sro, send a tell to someone there or run there and CC. If its camped ask the person if they'll send you a tell when they leave etc, same way as it was in classic, gotta wait your turn.

Now that I have a decently high lvl character I can afford to buy the MQ for an alt later on instead of having to camp it again, win win.

cheat cheat

[radditsu]

sounds vlassic to me

Totally want a pickle now.

[Langrisser]

crunch crunch

"... and it seems to me, that you lived your life, like a Jimmy in the Wind...

Never knowin who to RMT with, when the Rustle sets in..."

[fastboy21]

im on the p99 brew... EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE

rmt wasnt allowed on live and thats what these mq'rs lead to.

they aint doin it for friends brews, just plats. why plats? $$

unvlassic

I don't see why selling MQ is anymore connected to RMT than selling straight high end items...

RMT also happened plenty on live, not sure which server you came from but it wasn't a stranger by far during classic.

[Langrisser]

erudites used to have to share different portals than high elves.

some things are obvious. like your penchant for RMT.

"... and i would have loved an MQ, but i was just a scrub..."

the two are directly connected on this server. if theres nothing left for you to do and you have godly plats, i guess you won. now quit.

[Langrisser]

"....the RMT burned out long before, the MQ never did..."

evil was acceptable so lets accept it. cool attitude brew. =\

[fastboy21]

are you drunk? i can't decode what you are trying to say.

[Langrisser]

Poor people can never be Happy.

Poor people are just millionaires down on their Luck.

Plat = Happiness. RMT = Plat.

These are facts you live by.

[Langrisser]

the white knight army continues to defend their RMT paymasters in the hopes of one day having plats.

sounds like real life!

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Reapin your guild never has anyone on when I log on to alt in it. Da fuq

[Bantam 1]

crunch crunch

"... and it seems to me, that you lived your life, like a Jimmy in the Wind...

Never knowin who to RMT with, when the Rustle sets in..."

Someone is off his meds.

[Langrisser]

true character is how you act when no one is looking

no one is looking at this game, and its a bunch of greedy cheaters having their way. accept it if you want, i dont play for the plats =\

going off meds would make me too depressed to have fun rustlin. im def on brew.

u not.... mad?

[Langrisser]

A+ response very substantive, will fuck again

[botrainer]

I agree to maintain a healthy server there has to be things done to help stop some camps from becoming over farmed. I don't care so much about j boot or some other non epic camps. But epic items yes anything related should be nerfed or changed to help the lower and poorer end players a way of completing their epics fairly and in a timely fashion.

And yes I believe people who can manage to complete whole epics mqs are a part of some shandy business going on. Some may be gearing alts but some could likely fuel the black market rmts. Everyone seems to flame anyone who suggests rmts happens. But honestly what's someone gonna do with mage earth staff mq cash asking 500k or something...how does this in any way help a part time player who plays a mage a chance at ever finishing their epic if the earth staffs value remains this high?

On my final note on live atlease after a few years so many expansion came out some if not most bottle neck parts of everyone's epics were nerfed and people could finally finish their epics. On this server its very unlikely that will ever happen. keeping the elite jobless a top the server and anyone else always and forever out of reach of ever making a real run at their epic with some epic mobs being killed within moments of spawning.

Peace.

[Langrisser]

and then there were two. very good post sir.

[Swish]

Cleric epic was bottlenecked, probably still is, due to the MQ crowd.

If MQ was taken away, it wouldn't take much to PL an account and do things that way. You can move the goalposts but you'll never stop people climbing over each other to make the Top 10 in the rich list.

Those people need to get a job/have a life, they'll wake up at 45-50 and realise their life passed them by otherwise :p

[Luchino]

If people couldn't mq the cleric epic they would still camp Ragefire for his loots. If only clerics could do the quest they would still be there, selling the loot rights to heart or just going after normal loots.

[Lyra]

Do you forget what "the project" is or do you make these posts just to keep the forums "classic" too?

[webrunner5]

This game is like real life. Money talks. It just happens to be plat on here. So like it or not people are going to farm the hell out of Fungi's, FBSS's etc. Perma camp the shit. So get over it.

[Weekapaug]

Multiquesting is as classic as 3 hour CRs and boat rides. Taking it out would be ridiculous.

I dont care that people are doing it or that people have advantages from having started earlier and/or putting in more play time...All MMOs have that and people who play a lot and got started earlier shouldn't be faulted for playing the game. People who have put in more time or started earlier should be rewarded for their efforts and time spent and if they want to use that to their advantage, who can really blame them? Most people would. Kunark's been out for 2 years....People have to have something to do so some are MQing epics.

The rub, for me, is that a lot of folks on the high end got a head start before the server was as "classic" as it is now. They got to level faster and acquire gear they wouldn't have live because there were non-classic features and mechanics available. When I started here 3 years ago there were translocators because the boats hadn't been put in, a compass, and map functionality etc, etc. All those little conveniences add up over time to a major advantage. An advantage that newer players will never have. The changes and nerfs that constantly come along to make the server more classic are great, but they don't undo the damage to the economy, the advantage that has given some people and, arguably, widen the gap even further. It's unavoidable.

Couple that with the fact that, until last week, you could legitimately sell your accounts to other players for in-game plat. Something that was NEVER remotely permitted on live. So they fixed it. Did they take back the plat that people got from selling their accounts? They can't, obviously, but how much of all of the above has compounded the problem?

All of which is why, after velious is out for quite a while and all the kinks are worked out, I hope we have a new server at some point.

[Langrisser]

Multiquesting is as classic as 3 hour CRs and boat rides. Taking it out would be ridiculous.

I dont care that people are doing it or that people have advantages from having started earlier and/or putting in more play time...All MMOs have that and people who play a lot and got started earlier shouldn't be faulted for playing the game. People who have put in more time or started earlier should be rewarded for their efforts and time spent and if they want to use that to their advantage, who can really blame them? Most people would. Kunark's been out for 2 years....People have to have something to do so some are MQing epics.

The rub, for me, is that a lot of folks on the high end got a head start before the server was as "classic" as it is now. They got to level faster and acquire gear they wouldn't have live because there were non-classic features and mechanics available. When I started here 3 years ago there were translocators because the boats hadn't been put in, a compass, and map functionality etc, etc. All those little conveniences add up over time to a major advantage. An advantage that newer players will never have. The changes and nerfs that constantly come along to make the server more classic are great, but they don't undo the damage to the economy, the advantage that has given some people and, arguably, widen the gap even further. It's unavoidable.

Couple that with the fact that, until last week, you could legitimately sell your accounts to other players for in-game plat. Something that was NEVER remotely permitted on live. So they fixed it. Did they take back the plat that people got from selling their accounts? They can't, obviously, but how much of all of the above has compounded the problem?

All of which is why, after velious is out for quite a while and all the kinks are worked out, I hope we have a new server at some point.

^ here here. well said then.

This game is like real life. Money talks.

this is like real life true. except here god is real and you are at their mercy... see, they can actually intervene.

nice analogy though and great defeatist attitude. you ruined America(tm)

[webrunner5]

^ here here. well said then.



this is like real life true. except here god is real and you are at their mercy... see, they can actually intervene.

nice analogy though and great defeatist attitude. you ruined America(tm)

Money has talked way before the time of Christ. Sorry if you don't have money, or like money. You can live in a cardboard box under a bridge. Lots of peeps do.

[Weekapaug]

You can live in a cardboard box under a bridge. Lots of peeps do.

When I lived in NYC I was walking home from work one night and passed a homeless guy laying in a refigerator box. Jerking off.

Instantly had a picture of that guy on a laptop playing EQ. Thanks! :P

[Langrisser]

You guys want some of my meds now? whats it like with the inmates running your asylum? hmmmm validation it feeeeeels so .... good. yea . it feels good.

thank you, and good luck!

[fastboy21]

You guys want some of my meds now? whats it like with the inmates running your asylum? hmmmm validation it feeeeeels so .... good. yea . it feels good.

thank you, and good luck!

they didn't remove multiquesting, back to your meds.

[Strifer]

MQ is classic. it stays.

[Ezrick]

Well said. And if you don't feel like waiting in line then go camp something else and sell that item. Then buy the MQ.

You miss the damage that MQ does entirely. It has nothing and everything to do with the economy.

You can't complete the camp, ever. Why? because someone who has no use for the item is camping it to sell for cash. It distorts the game and turns it into an economic simulator.

The game shouldn't be about how many hill giants you can slaughter to buy a FBSS. It should be about going to the deepest dungeon and slaying a foul foe and being rewarded.

I ran through South Ro a few days ago to see a bard camping the AC.

Let me say that again:

A bard camping the AC.

If that doesn't bother you, then you're playing the wrong game.

[fastboy21]

You miss the damage that MQ does entirely. It has nothing and everything to do with the economy.

You can't complete the camp, ever. Why? because someone who has no use for the item is camping it to sell for cash. It distorts the game and turns it into an economic simulator.

The game shouldn't be about how many hill giants you can slaughter to buy a FBSS. It should be about going to the deepest dungeon and slaying a foul foe and being rewarded.

I ran through South Ro a few days ago to see a bard camping the AC.

Let me say that again:

A bard camping the AC.

If that doesn't bother you, then you're playing the wrong game.

First, even bards need instant clickies.

Secondly, what makes EQ great is that you can play how you want. All this BS about play how you want in modern and next gen MMOs...total nonsense. EQ had real freedom when it came to how you interacted with the world and community.

If you have a problem with someone camping the AC because you don't think they should then you are probably playing the wrong game.

[zanderklocke]

I have Jboots on my bard. It helps a lot in situations where selos might run out or if I need to go into a dungeon.

[citizen1080]

Jboots on your bard is the best investment you can make.

Can AoE kite without twisting any speed songs.
And what zander said

[t0lkien]

I have Jboots on my bard. It helps a lot in situations where selos might run out or if I need to go into a dungeon.

+1

[Ezrick]

First, even bards need instant clickies.

Secondly, what makes EQ great is that you can play how you want. All this BS about play how you want in modern and next gen MMOs...total nonsense. EQ had real freedom when it came to how you interacted with the world and community.

If you have a problem with someone camping the AC because you don't think they should then you are probably playing the wrong game.

Nice rationalizing, all of you. And you all know it's so much BS. He's there to sell the MQ and we all know it, along with the shaman with three corpses on the hill storing rings. You can't rationalize the greed that permeates this server. Everyone sees it every time they log in.

A group of a dozen of us stuck with a ranger in Frenzy earlier this week. The poor guy was there for nearly 48 hours (and never did get a sash). Why did we do this for someone we had never met? We all knew that the minute the camp was free it may be a month or more before anyone but a level 60 item camper could play there again. (one showed up every hour or so, one even commented on how 'old school' it was to see an actual group camping the frenzy.)

It harms the server, and it especially harms newcomers to P99. We started a guild with 10 or so new players almost three months ago, only three of us are left. All the rest left for this very reason. Anything of value is camped to a monopoly by bored, high-level players. Prices on what is sold on the market are not reflective of what a new player can possibly pay, it's what another high-level player will pay for their twinks. I recall buying a FBSS on live for less than 2k. It's six to eight times that amount here.

People will actively give you advice on how to deal with this. My favorite was: "You need to level up a druid first. Do ports and kite giants for money to outfit your real character." Really? I somehow missed that in my classic experience.

This server is effectively dead to most new players. The only way to equip a character is in EC, the only way to obtain the plat to buy it is to sell in EC.

Try leveling up a new warrior with LFG on. You aren't invited to groups, you get tells asking what weapons you have and how well you are twinked (yes both have happened to my 22 warrior). Then they decide if they want to ask you to a group (no both times). Can you imagine that happening on live EQ in 1999?

I'd like a pair of Efreeti Boots for my 46 enchanter. Do you think there is a chance in hell I can get an appropriate group together and actually fight for them? Nope, by your method of playing I should just kill 867 Hill Giants and buy them from a level 60. Not classic. Not as intended. Not fun.

I'll go out on a limb here without actually checking in game first. By my recollection my level 46 character is using exactly ONE item that was obtained directly from a mob (a braided cinch cord if you must ask). Everything else had to be purchased.

What was intended as a PvE adventure game has been turned into a PvP economic simulator.

[t0lkien]

I don't know. I started levelling with an Iksar Warrior around the low 30's and even with his heavy XP penalties he has outleveled me and is now 10 ahead of me. I don't neckbeard, but play almost every day as a Bard, so that shows you how possible it still is to get groups and XP if you try. He's still going hard in the 50's.

Also, the other side of the inflated economy on p99 is that players are also much more likely to give stuff away - especially if you join a guild. I was gifted with all my armor and some half-decent weapons by guildies, and total strangers have just handed me stuff I could use as well (or paid for ports for CRs etc.) I've since passed the gifts on to other lower levels, and its likely they will pass them on themselves.

So while the big stuff is as hard as it ever was to accomplish (epics etc. for those of us with difficult epics), the little stuff is made significantly easier.

[Gimp]

As a new player on this server (started about a week ago), this is one of the things that frustrates me the most. I have been turned away from groups that were full of ridiculous twinks, only because of my gear. What about level 11 clerics and rogues with epics is even remotely "classic"?

This server is great for many reasons, but is nearly unplayable for new characters. I have personally witnessed three or four people quit within the first week because they felt that they would never be able to step foot into a raid zone such as PoF, PoH, etc..because of the elitist and selfish play that people on this server seem to have adopted. Fortunately, I have had a few players along the way help me out here and there with plat and gear, so I may be one of the lucky ones. Even then, it is severely disheartening to load up an EQemu server sporting a "CLASSIC" tag to see people MQ'ing epics left and right, level 3 clerics with fungis, etc. I guess I partially understand that the people that have been on this server since day 1 have all the reason (and plat) in the world to twink out whatever class they want, but it turns new people away from the game, very quickly. I hope you high level people twinking and plvl'ing in exp hot spots realize this (although I'm sure you don't give a shit).

I came to this server looking for the feeling I had when I loaded up Everquest back in 2000, and in a sense, I have found that. In another sense, this "classic" nonsense that is broadcasted in the server name and description leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. This will probably go unread by 90% of people, but I would really like all of you "old school" and "uber" players to realize that completely new people are trying to join every day, and are being turned off nearly immediately when they zone into Crushbone and see a pile of Orcs standing under a level 7 rogue with a Ragebringer. Shit is just fucking ridiculous.

As of now, I love this server, but after being inspected before being invited to a group earlier today, I am severely contemplating continuing. This. Is. Not. Classic. EQ. Not even close.

/rant

[t0lkien]

I feel you man, but what do you want? Are the devs supposed to implement non-classic things in order to maintain the server's classic nature? That's immediately self-defeating.

Epics on level 7's was always possible on Live. Level 3's with Fungi's was totally classic - that's often what they were used for actually, PLing alts.

I don't know what the answer is for the endgame congestion, though. I haven't got there yet so it isn't affecting me directly. Velious is going to ease a lot of this, even if it results in the top guilds blowing through the content in months, getting bored, and retiring, leaving the server less stressed for the rest of us.

[Gimp]

I feel you man, but what do you want? Are the devs supposed to implement non-classic things in order to maintain the server's classic nature? That's immediately self-defeating.

Epics on level 7's was always possible on Live. Level 3's with Fungi's was totally classic - that's often what they were used for actually, PLing alts.

I don't know what the answer is for the endgame congestion, though. I haven't got there yet so it isn't affecting me directly. Velious is going to ease a lot of this, even if it results in the top guilds blowing through the content in months, getting bored, and retiring, leaving the server less stressed for the rest of us.

I know this, but I feel like the level on which it is used on this server is just out of hand. Yes, on live, you saw an incredible twink with an MQ'd epic, full Kunark gear, Fungi, etc..but no where near the level it is on here. You can literally go into any newbie zone and find at least 2-3 solo twinks that are just retardely geared.

Back in CLASSIC EQ, a twinked warrior meant full crafted with dual SSoY. Twinked on P99 is an entire different dimension. New players can't compete with that. I feel bad for my buddies that are playing tank classes and routinely looking for groups in their self-earned gear, because they are being turned away left and right. It's just not right man. Especially when it comes to tanks, people are so gear judgemental that it's sickening.

[Lyra]

judgemental

Speaking of judgmental, how bout giving the server a little more than a week before making such bold commentaries.

[Silent]

This is not everquest live, MQ is classic. You know the reason WHY people have such crazy good gear and a twink is full out? There are WAY LESS players then EQ servers used to have, Stop complaining and be happy. Shit is fine.

[fastboy21]

Nice rationalizing, all of you. And you all know it's so much BS. He's there to sell the MQ and we all know it, along with the shaman with three corpses on the hill storing rings. You can't rationalize the greed that permeates this server. Everyone sees it every time they log in.

A group of a dozen of us stuck with a ranger in Frenzy earlier this week. The poor guy was there for nearly 48 hours (and never did get a sash). Why did we do this for someone we had never met? We all knew that the minute the camp was free it may be a month or more before anyone but a level 60 item camper could play there again. (one showed up every hour or so, one even commented on how 'old school' it was to see an actual group camping the frenzy.)

It harms the server, and it especially harms newcomers to P99. We started a guild with 10 or so new players almost three months ago, only three of us are left. All the rest left for this very reason. Anything of value is camped to a monopoly by bored, high-level players. Prices on what is sold on the market are not reflective of what a new player can possibly pay, it's what another high-level player will pay for their twinks. I recall buying a FBSS on live for less than 2k. It's six to eight times that amount here.

People will actively give you advice on how to deal with this. My favorite was: "You need to level up a druid first. Do ports and kite giants for money to outfit your real character." Really? I somehow missed that in my classic experience.

This server is effectively dead to most new players. The only way to equip a character is in EC, the only way to obtain the plat to buy it is to sell in EC.

Try leveling up a new warrior with LFG on. You aren't invited to groups, you get tells asking what weapons you have and how well you are twinked (yes both have happened to my 22 warrior). Then they decide if they want to ask you to a group (no both times). Can you imagine that happening on live EQ in 1999?

I'd like a pair of Efreeti Boots for my 46 enchanter. Do you think there is a chance in hell I can get an appropriate group together and actually fight for them? Nope, by your method of playing I should just kill 867 Hill Giants and buy them from a level 60. Not classic. Not as intended. Not fun.

I'll go out on a limb here without actually checking in game first. By my recollection my level 46 character is using exactly ONE item that was obtained directly from a mob (a braided cinch cord if you must ask). Everything else had to be purchased.

What was intended as a PvE adventure game has been turned into a PvP economic simulator.

The things you are describing all happened on live back in the day...they also have nothing to do with MQing.

FBSS is a huge demand item that can be easily solo'd by many lvl60 classes, so it is always going to be camped. You need to get in line and wait very patiently or just get lucky. It was always the case on live in this era that your best bet to get your hands on one was to save the pp and buy one unless you were lucky enough to get the camp (and win the roll if you weren't solo'ing).

Camps are actually far easier to get on p1999 than they were on live in this era. Mostly due to us having about half what live servers had population wise on during peak times. Obviously, the most demanded items are still camped...but you will many many exp camps and item camps open constantly if you look just off the beaten the path.

[fastboy21]

As a new player on this server (started about a week ago), this is one of the things that frustrates me the most. I have been turned away from groups that were full of ridiculous twinks, only because of my gear. What about level 11 clerics and rogues with epics is even remotely "classic"?

This server is great for many reasons, but is nearly unplayable for new characters. I have personally witnessed three or four people quit within the first week because they felt that they would never be able to step foot into a raid zone such as PoF, PoH, etc..because of the elitist and selfish play that people on this server seem to have adopted. Fortunately, I have had a few players along the way help me out here and there with plat and gear, so I may be one of the lucky ones. Even then, it is severely disheartening to load up an EQemu server sporting a "CLASSIC" tag to see people MQ'ing epics left and right, level 3 clerics with fungis, etc. I guess I partially understand that the people that have been on this server since day 1 have all the reason (and plat) in the world to twink out whatever class they want, but it turns new people away from the game, very quickly. I hope you high level people twinking and plvl'ing in exp hot spots realize this (although I'm sure you don't give a shit).

I came to this server looking for the feeling I had when I loaded up Everquest back in 2000, and in a sense, I have found that. In another sense, this "classic" nonsense that is broadcasted in the server name and description leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. This will probably go unread by 90% of people, but I would really like all of you "old school" and "uber" players to realize that completely new people are trying to join every day, and are being turned off nearly immediately when they zone into Crushbone and see a pile of Orcs standing under a level 7 rogue with a Ragebringer. Shit is just fucking ridiculous.

As of now, I love this server, but after being inspected before being invited to a group earlier today, I am severely contemplating continuing. This. Is. Not. Classic. EQ. Not even close.

/rant

You're stepping into a four year old behind the time-line classic server. It would be like rolling a new toon on live when everyone else was in planes of power gear.

Yes, it stinks having to play catch up when you want "the classic experience" but, 1) this is still closer than anything you can get anywhere else and 2) the only thing that would fix it for you is restarting the server (which wouldn't fix the issues you are describing for other new players when they stumble onto the server 4 years from now).

[Gazer75]

It's worrying to read some of these posts I must say. Being new on this server and looking for that good old EQ experience this does not bode well.

I can't really understand why people that have what gear they can get would camp stuff to sell for MQ. What is the point of stockpiling plat?

People with top of the line gear could help others level and gear up. It would encourage people to play.

We had plenty of high levels camping items for twinks, but they joined groups like any other and helped the group while waiting for their turn to loot the item. No rolls, simply first come first serve in group. But then E'ci I guess was special in that regard. Not many severs hosted public raids for all the casual people and were able to actually kill stuff.

So if what I read here is true, all sought after camps like in LGuk would be solo camped by a lvl 60 either for twinking or selling?

[Arteker]

You're stepping into a four year old behind the time-line classic server. It would be like rolling a new toon on live when everyone else was in planes of power gear.

Yes, it stinks having to play catch up when you want "the classic experience" but, 1) this is still closer than anything you can get anywhere else and 2) the only thing that would fix it for you is restarting the server (which wouldn't fix the issues you are describing for other new players when they stumble onto the server 4 years from now).

Clap finnaly a constructive well written post wich sums all the real trouble we realy have.
good job sir.

[fastboy21]

It's worrying to read some of these posts I must say. Being new on this server and looking for that good old EQ experience this does not bode well.

I can't really understand why people that have what gear they can get would camp stuff to sell for MQ. What is the point of stockpiling plat?

People with top of the line gear could help others level and gear up. It would encourage people to play.

We had plenty of high levels camping items for twinks, but they joined groups like any other and helped the group while waiting for their turn to loot the item. No rolls, simply first come first serve in group. But then E'ci I guess was special in that regard. Not many severs hosted public raids for all the casual people and were able to actually kill stuff.

So if what I read here is true, all sought after camps like in LGuk would be solo camped by a lvl 60 either for twinking or selling?

Not all. This morning there are 3 people in lguk. Odds are one of them is camping FBSS...just like on live in kunark era.

[Boone]

The two of us just started on the server this week, first time playing EQ since live (Velious) as a cleric/ war combo. I've read through this thread and it's the same complains as on live "back in the day". All the "good" items were camped 24/7 however usually by groups. From what I remember, the only good soloers were Druids and Necros. Now it seems to be über twinkled bards. Fully camped items is just sooo classic!

Pre-Velious, every dungeon you entered the first thing you did was yell "camp check" and then asked to be put on the list. That's how EQ always worked on live.

Is it scaring away new players? Beats me but I'm a new player, have met quite a few other new players and everyone I've talked to seems to be having a lot of fun!

Anyway, just my ramblings on a Sunday morning

[Silent]

I have a suggestion, come play on red so instead asking for a 'camp check' and talking it out with the person, you kill them and run them out. Then the camp is yours, simple.

[webrunner5]

The two of us just started on the server this week, first time playing EQ since live (Velious) as a cleric/ war combo. I've read through this thread and it's the same complains as on live "back in the day". All the "good" items were camped 24/7 however usually by groups. From what I remember, the only good soloers were Druids and Necros. Now it seems to be über twinkled bards. Fully camped items is just sooo classic!

Pre-Velious, every dungeon you entered the first thing you did was yell "camp check" and then asked to be put on the list. That's how EQ always worked on live.

Is it scaring away new players? Beats me but I'm a new player, have met quite a few other new players and everyone I've talked to seems to be having a lot of fun!

Anyway, just my ramblings on a Sunday morning

By the time you guys get high enough to loot Fungi's, FBSS's hopefully Velious will be out and all the Kunark drops will be more able to be camped or shared like stated above. How many people on live really EVER had a CoF, Fungi, Epic etc. If they did they RMT'ed the shit from Ebay. People act on here like they should all be the twink from hell. Crazy.

Just have fun and enjoy the ride.. And welcome aboard.

[Silent]

My monk on live had a fungi, cof, epic, legs off AoW amongst other things and I never paid a single thing for it, Wasn't even until mid velious that I realized people actually were selling accounts and things for money.

[webrunner5]

to get that loot andMy monk on live had a fungi, cof, epic, legs off AoW amongst other things and I never paid a single thing for it, Wasn't even until mid velious that I realized people actually were selling accounts and things for money.

And I would bet you were in one of the top 2 or 3 guilds to get it also. Just like you have to be on here. And you played a LOT to get that loot and to stay in that guild.

No way in hell you are telling me that you were high enough in Kunark to go to L Guk and Seb with pick up groups to get a Fungi, Maybe a FBSS, lucky as hell roll, T staff in KC etc. And get your Epic. You were in a TOP END guild and played till your ass fell off. Or pulling my leg big time. Or have one hell of a bad memory. Not even mid Velious.

[kaev]

Speaking of judgmental, how bout giving the server a little more than a week before making such bold commentaries.

No, no, we need to see what new people think, bold commentaries by newbs should be encouraged. After a few months he'll either be assimilated or have left in disgust. This is the only way we find out just how fucked up this server is from the perspective of a new member of the community. We already know how it's fucked up from the perspective of the various factions of bitter vets that post here.

When new people routinely see the server like the OP describes, I'd say it's a problem. And judging by the regularity we see threads like this one started by disappointed newbs, it does seem to be the routine newb experience here. Kinda like starting EQ during PoP woulda been on live, and gee, PoP era is when the live population seemed to stagnate.

[Gazer75]

What server did you play on webrunner5?

On E'ci there was no problem doing regular group rotation on camp spots in LGuk or Seb.
If a person left a new one on a list came down to replace as needed.
There was the occasional group whipes and some groups were not as effective, but you didn't need a guild to get stuff that could be done with a group.
I never did the bottom of Seb that much, but the few times I did it was with groups created at entrance with a friend or two.
As I said in previous post, I think E'ci was a bit unique in that the average player were pretty good.

The key for me and my guild was that everyone respected us. We were kind and helped people and got help in return if needed. No idea what rank Na Koa was, but not at the top, thats for sure. This made a big difference when I did my clerics epic quest. Believe I waited in line for Ragefire for about 2 months and camped him for almost a week with Nagafen popping up after 4 days.

All gear I got on all my characters were all camped for fair and square. No random rolls.
First come first serve was the common way iirc. Could take a week camping a single spot before I got even close to me being next in line for the item I wanted. And at that point you didn't leave until it dropped, even if it would take another 12+ hours.
Took me around 24 hours or so camping jboots in Najena. Think I sold one TBB once, but that I got only cause no one in group needed so it was randomed off.

[botrainer]

By reading the last few post, some people are agaist the MQuesting and it seems those agaist it might be the only ones making massive profits from it lol. I think everyone should be granted the same oppunity to EARN there epic rather then sit in EC collecting plat to buy there epic...same item in the end yes but the adventure has been completely removed...such a shame a few limited number of people are allowed to get there hands on it (Im mostly talking about epic MQs)

Ill vote to nerf MQing any day to help the community.

[Gazer75]

Problem is human nature unfortunately...Greed before need...

[Lyra]

No, no, we need to see what new people think, bold commentaries by newbs should be encouraged. After a few months he'll either be assimilated or have left in disgust. This is the only way we find out just how fucked up this server is from the perspective of a new member of the community. We already know how it's fucked up from the perspective of the various factions of bitter vets that post here.

When new people routinely see the server like the OP describes, I'd say it's a problem. And judging by the regularity we see threads like this one started by disappointed newbs, it does seem to be the routine newb experience here. Kinda like starting EQ during PoP woulda been on live, and gee, PoP era is when the live population seemed to stagnate.

So after one week, he has an opinion on how multi-questing has affected his game play? I've been in CB recently as I've been playing my level 11 completely untwinked cleric. No one inspected me. I just guilded a untwinked rogue who was grouped in CB at the time. Just what multi-quested item was ruining his chances of playing in CB? Something is not right with his post.

I started in January, well after most of you. I have had no problem leveling my characters. Druid to 51, Cleric to 56. Something might be fucked up, but it's not the server.

I type this while I'm sitting with my guild mate at the "impossible to get" AC camp in So Ro. Shocking, I know.

[Silent]

to get that loot and

And I would bet you were in one of the top 2 or 3 guilds to get it also. Just like you have to be on here. And you played a LOT to get that loot and to stay in that guild.

No way in hell you are telling me that you were high enough in Kunark to go to L Guk and Seb with pick up groups to get a Fungi, Maybe a FBSS, lucky as hell roll, T staff in KC etc. And get your Epic. You were in a TOP END guild and played till your ass fell off. Or pulling my leg big time. Or have one hell of a bad memory. Not even mid Velious.

Yes I was in the 2nd best guild on the server, But I didn't get my fbss or fungi from them. They helped me with my epic sure, and the raid loot from AoW yes. But I actually did farm my FBSS originally with just a random group until I received better via raid. You may find it hard to believe, but even in velious I still went back to lower guk and farmed everything from magi, frenzy etc that I could. Maybe it was partially out of nostalgia, or boredom.

But It was probably nothing like the blue server, which alongside red is frozen in time in kunark era for longer then it should be. There are 2 easy ways to gear your character up, especially when it comes to hard to get items. 1) farm lots of items/plat and save until you can afford X item, 2) take a group and go camp it. 2a) if you can't camp it because a 60 is poopsocking the FBSS camp solo for hours at end your SOL, roll red so you can kill them. We have no issues with camps here.

[kaev]

Problem is human nature unfortunately...Greed before need...

Define need. I'm serious bro. Define "need" in a video game. Now for extra credit, describe to us a way that your "need" can be verified, a method that cannot be trivially and undetectably scammed via alts.

Alternatively, go read what Plato tells us Socrates had to say about justice. Maybe that will help you see the real scope of the problem you foolishly imagine your silly undefinable and unenforceable NBG trope helps us to solve.

[fastboy21]

Define need. I'm serious bro. Define "need" in a video game. Now for extra credit, describe to us a way that your "need" can be verified, a method that cannot be trivially and undetectably scammed via alts.

Alternatively, go read what Plato tells us Socrates had to say about justice. Maybe that will help you see the real scope of the problem you foolishly imagine your silly undefinable and unenforceable NBG trope helps us to solve.

Forget justice, does Plato say anything about mean? Someone says NBG and you go ape shit.

[kaev]

So after one week, he has an opinion on how multi-questing has affected his game play? I've been in CB recently as I've been playing my level 11 completely untwinked cleric. No one inspected me. I just guilded a untwinked rogue who was grouped in CB at the time. Just what multi-quested item was ruining his chances of playing in CB? Something is not right with his post.

I started in January, well after most of you. I have had no problem leveling my characters. Druid to 51, Cleric to 56. Something might be fucked up, but it's not the server.

I type this while I'm sitting with my guild mate at the "impossible to get" AC camp in So Ro. Shocking, I know.

v0v

I've seen plenty of stupid shit much like the OP reports when playing untwinked alts. Seen plenty of morons opining at length about how awful it is to group with non-twinks and hybrids while playing my warrior twink. His anecdotes are every bit as valid as yours and mine. Honestly, you remind me of my brother and sister who insist that racial discrimination is over in the US because they never encounter it in their lily white suburban lifestyles.

[kaev]

Forget justice, does Plato say anything about mean? Someone says NBG and you go ape shit.

hmm... Reread my post and not seeing the "go ape shit" bit. You might want to take a couple deep breaths before your next post.

[fastboy21]

Maybe you don't realize how critical you sound =)

[kaev]

NBG doesn't work in the general case, it fails because people lie, they lie often, they lie to people they call their friends.

I abide by whatever loot position the rest of the group takes. I've certainly have passed on many items that I knew were upgrades for others, although I can't be 100% certain that they hadn't sold a better piece at some earlier time. I've seen players do the "I camped all my stuff" routine and have it turn out multiple times that it really meant "I saved all my pp & cash loots for my twinks because I can get randoms in PUGs to equip my main by claiming need".

NBG can work in a guild context, but only if being a member of the guild is more desirable to the potential liar/cheater than the pixels they're drooling after. Lotta toons in high end guilds who parasited off earlier guilds (either the player hopped guilds or the account was sold/traded), rewarding that shit is the real crime of the TMO's of this world against their server communities.

Final point: It's all greed. You play how you like and I hope you have a good time doing so, but don't expect me not to laugh at the notion of dressing up any player's pixel greed by calling it need. It's all greed.

[Lyra]

v0v

I've seen plenty of stupid shit much like the OP reports when playing untwinked alts. Seen plenty of morons opining at length about how awful it is to group with non-twinks and hybrids while playing my warrior twink. His anecdotes are every bit as valid as yours and mine. Honestly, you remind me of my brother and sister who insist that racial discrimination is over in the US because they never encounter it in their lily white suburban lifestyles.

If I were only playing in Old Sebilis and not in Crushbone, your analogy might fight. I play in Crushbone frequently and I am experiencing no "discrimination".

I'll note you refused to acknowledge I'm at the AC camp in So Ro yet so much complaining about how difficult the camp is to get. And just to clarify, I've never sold a MQ, ever.

[kaev]

If I were only playing in Old Sebilis and not in Crushbone, your analogy might fight. I play in Crushbone frequently and I am experiencing no "discrimination".

I'll note you refused to acknowledge I'm at the AC camp in So Ro yet so much complaining about how difficult the camp is to get. And just to clarify, I've never sold a MQ, ever.

Well, if it makes you feel better to have it explicitly acknowledged... I do hope you enjoy your often unavailable AC camp. You are now in the enviable position of denying that highly desired bit of content to others, does that help you feel good about yourself?

(Trying to lighten the mood, btw. This has gotten far too serious and I agree that I am partly to blame.)

[Tycko]

I'm at the AC camp in So Ro yet so much complaining about how difficult the camp is to get.

So your saying that because you have gotten the camp just recently that it is easy to get? I suppose that makes every camp in game easy to get into because someone is always at the camp. Your train of thought seems to be erroneous.

[webrunner5]

What server did you play on webrunner5?

On E'ci there was no problem doing regular group rotation on camp spots in LGuk or Seb.
If a person left a new one on a list came down to replace as needed.
There was the occasional group whipes and some groups were not as effective, but you didn't need a guild to get stuff that could be done with a group.
I never did the bottom of Seb that much, but the few times I did it was with groups created at entrance with a friend or two.
As I said in previous post, I think E'ci was a bit unique in that the average player were pretty good.

The key for me and my guild was that everyone respected us. We were kind and helped people and got help in return if needed. No idea what rank Na Koa was, but not at the top, thats for sure. This made a big difference when I did my clerics epic quest. Believe I waited in line for Ragefire for about 2 months and camped him for almost a week with Nagafen popping up after 4 days.

All gear I got on all my characters were all camped for fair and square. No random rolls.
First come first serve was the common way iirc. Could take a week camping a single spot before I got even close to me being next in line for the item I wanted. And at that point you didn't leave until it dropped, even if it would take another 12+ hours.
Took me around 24 hours or so camping jboots in Najena. Think I sold one TBB once, but that I got only cause no one in group needed so it was randomed off.

I played on the Torvo Server. I could not at the time devote that much time to EQ. I was working a lot of hours and had a large family to feed lol. Nice to see you did that well on E'ci.

[fastboy21]

the issue isn't whether it is easy or not to get, but whether it is unobtainable because of RMT driven play.

i don't see all the ruined game play from RMT that folks are reporting. i see the natural consequences of a 4 year old classic server (based on a 14 year old game) that folks love to play to excess.

[Randy]

NBG doesn't work in the general case, it fails because people lie, they lie often, they lie to people they call their friends.

I abide by whatever loot position the rest of the group takes. I've certainly have passed on many items that I knew were upgrades for others, although I can't be 100% certain that they hadn't sold a better piece at some earlier time. I've seen players do the "I camped all my stuff" routine and have it turn out multiple times that it really meant "I saved all my pp & cash loots for my twinks because I can get randoms in PUGs to equip my main by claiming need".

NBG can work in a guild context, but only if being a member of the guild is more desirable to the potential liar/cheater than the pixels they're drooling after. Lotta toons in high end guilds who parasited off earlier guilds (either the player hopped guilds or the account was sold/traded), rewarding that shit is the real crime of the TMO's of this world against their server communities.

Final point: It's all greed. You play how you like and I hope you have a good time doing so, but don't expect me not to laugh at the notion of dressing up any player's pixel greed by calling it need. It's all greed.


This is the sad reality. It still blows my mind that RMT even exists on this server and people lie to everyone. I think half the players don't like playing EQ as much as they just like being dicks and are so pathetic in real life they need to do it in pixels. I'll never understand the gratification of paying for an item or screwing over others.

[kaev]

This is the sad reality. It still blows my mind that RMT even exists on this server and people lie to everyone. I think half the players don't like playing EQ as much as they just like being dicks and are so pathetic in real life they need to do it in pixels. I'll never understand the gratification of paying for an item or screwing over others.

Don't make it out to be worse than it is. The jerks tend to stand out in your memory more than the inoffensive decent guys who handled themselves fine in your groups and didn't do anything wild to make you remember them. There're certainly more than enough jerks here, but they're still only a small minority of the total. Many of them are drawn to the endgame, there's a higher concentration there, but they're a minority still. And certainly IME there's a higher concentration of jerks amongst the RMTers also. Even so, I'm pretty sure that at all levels in this community, with the possible exception of the leadership cliques of certain organizations, the cool people outnumber the assholes who wrongly imagine themselves to be cool.

[Tecmos Deception]

I'll never understand the gratification of paying for an item or screwing over others.

So I take it you are one of those off-the-grid, live-off-the-land, doesn't have the internet because you can't stand the thought of using something that you didn't mak... oh wait.

RMTing for something in a video game is the same as buying something in RL. Some people like to put the work in to get something directly themselves and take special pleasure in the process. Other people want an end result and are ok skipping the process of getting there by just buying what they want.

[Langrisser]

RMT fan boi right here.

we know why people do it. it can be helped here, unlike this real world you seem to live in... everything is tracked by the real gods.

fail logic is fail. this is not real life. for some of us.

[Zhaige]

Just reading through this thread, I believe a lot of these issues would be eliminated if p1999 content progressed at the normal rate of live rather than having 2 years with stagnated content. Veterans have all this built up PP and gear to use on lowbie alts because they do not have new content to progress with their mains.

There is no fix-action for this other than starting a new server, which many would obviously not want. The results of the current situation seem only natural.

I would love to see a new server created once Velious is released for this very reason. Starting as a blank slate with everyone would definitely rejuvinate a large portion of the worn-out p1999 fans, but I guess this is just a pipedream? :)

[fastboy21]

Just reading through this thread, I believe a lot of these issues would be eliminated if p1999 content progressed at the normal rate of live rather than having 2 years with stagnated content. Veterans have all this built up PP and gear to use on lowbie alts because they do not have new content to progress with their mains.

There is no fix-action for this other than starting a new server, which many would obviously not want. The results of the current situation seem only natural.

I would love to see a new server created once Velious is released for this very reason. Starting as a blank slate with everyone would definitely rejuvinate a large portion of the worn-out p1999 fans, but I guess this is just a pipedream? :)

The problem is that if they do this the server would lose a ton of credibility...who wants to play a game like EQ (a game that literally soaks YEARS of RL time to progress your toon) if there is even a hint of a possibility that the devs would pull the plug.

It really all boils down to what Rogean and Nilbog want to do obviously...the reality is they could wake up tomorrow and decide that they are turning the server off without a moments notice. People are putting a lot of trust in them that they aren't planning to do something like this (and that they are mentally stable---the #1 reason to not play on Toop's server imo is that he IS crazy enough to just delete everyone's data and restart the server on a moment's notice).

[Zhaige]

The problem is that if they do this the server would lose a ton of credibility...who wants to play a game like EQ (a game that literally soaks YEARS of RL time to progress your toon) if there is even a hint of a possibility that the devs would pull the plug.

It really all boils down to what Rogean and Nilbog want to do obviously...the reality is they could wake up tomorrow and decide that they are turning the server off without a moments notice. People are putting a lot of trust in them that they aren't planning to do something like this (and that they are mentally stable---the #1 reason to not play on Toop's server imo is that he IS crazy enough to just delete everyone's data and restart the server on a moment's notice).

I don't think he would have to shut down the server, but maybe bring a new one up? Even with that though, it would probably cost more resources he doesn't have, plus there would still be a huge public outcry. Wasn't the end goal of releasing velious and getting it 99% classic to release the code to the public? Maybe I am getting this mixed with the SWGEmu goal. But if that is the case, maybe someone here would be willing to start a new classic server running parallel to project1999? A new server means a repeat of content, yes, but isn't that why we all create alts? Isn't that why most of us came back to p1999 in the first place? To relive the classic moments? Many individuals claim that the current environment does not simulate the classic feeling anymore because of the stagnation of content. What better way to fix this by creating a new server? Even Live would create new servers every so often for players to progress with a blank slate (of course those servers too would eventually catch up).