WTF is up with root and snare

[Syft]

I have yet to land a root or snare on anyone, even players 8 lvl's lower with crap gear, EVEN PLAYER'S WHO ARE NAKED ON CR!

Just spammed 3 atol's on a naked guy and every one was resisted, atol's is supposed to have -10 mod on it so that means a guy with 15 mr resisted 3 spells back to back.

I'm sorry but that is broken as fuck!

[Faerie]

Root and snare won't land on anyone with mr gear + buff in my experience, and almost never lands on someone dispelled of mr buffs. Should be able to get them naked, though I've never really tried.

[Syft]

Dunno but my earth pet laughs at your plight

I know earth pets land but never seen a root be resisted by someone naked on live, not EVER!

[Elderan]

Basically there is a 5% chance for root/snare to land regardless of resist.

Which is way too high. Should be 1.5% if we are talking classic.

[Syft]

Ya it happens bro people have MR while naked u know. See warriors and dwarves

WHAT? I'm not talking about warriors and I don't think I've ever even seen a dwarf to kill, now your just trolling

[Syft]

Basically there is a 5% chance for root/snare to land regardless of resist.

Which is way too high. Should be 1.5% if we are talking classic.

but literally casted 3 atol's on a butt naked guy and spammed root on another butt naked guy yesterday all were resisted even with 5% one should have landed how the fuck can someone have a 95% chance and resist 3 in a row I garuntee something is bugged.

It feels like I'm rolling against my own mr and not there's.

[Fentanyl]

I have yet to land a root or snare on anyone, even players 8 lvl's lower with crap gear, EVEN PLAYER'S WHO ARE NAKED ON CR!

Just spammed 3 atol's on a naked guy and every one was resisted, atol's is supposed to have -10 mod on it so that means a guy with 15 mr resisted 3 spells back to back.

I'm sorry but that is broken as fuck!
I remember when you were playing your bard you were whining about how resists needed to be fixed because you didn't like getting rooted/snared. Silly guy.

[Stasis01]

Obviously this scrub didn't play on live - no one casted roots or snares on live, unless tash'd and malo'd - and it really dumbs down pvp and allows people with less gear to have no shot of pvp or surviving and turns them off from the entire server. Those spells didn't land and for good reason.

If it's still the same system, until you get 120+ you still have a really good chance of being rooted/snared.

[Nirgon]

My pal resisted a conflag from me, at even con, naked during the Kunark era. He had no resist fire etc on him. Further, spells got full resists more than you think without any buffs/debuffs on mobs.

Deal with it.

I was rooted on first/second casts MANY times here at 160MR.

[Faerie]

Obviously this scrub didn't play on live - no one casted roots or snares on live, unless tash'd and malo'd - and it really dumbs down pvp and allows people with less gear to have no shot of pvp or surviving and turns them off from the entire server. Those spells didn't land and for good reason.

If it's still the same system, until you get 120+ you still have a really good chance of being rooted/snared.

The spells didn't land because EQ devs didn't care at all about pvp. They put spells into the game with pve in mind, and however they worked in pvp is just how they were going to work.

A custom system could improve on the original dev's "meh" approach.

[Nirgon]

I never killed anyone or looted them in classic on my wizard with that system. OH LAWD IT WAS TERRIBLE AND UNFAIR.

O wait.

I did.

And what Stasis said makes sense.

L2P.

[Faerie]

I never killed anyone or looted them in classic on my wizard with that system. OH LAWD IT WAS TERRIBLE AND UNFAIR.

O wait.

I did.

And what Stasis said makes sense.

L2P.

I do pretty well for myself in pvp, for the most part. Think I've gotten pvp text once though, because 90% of my pvp victories end in the bad guy plugging. Druids are powerful without needing snare/root (which are already mostly useless).

Honestly though I'd rather see snare/root land maybe 50% of the time, but with hugely decreased duration. Why make spells completely useless?

[Infectious]

My alt has 152 mr... I was rooted 2 out of 5 last night. That is at lvl 29, by a lvl 8 spell. Only lasted maybe 10 secs tops, but it had me going wtf...

[Faerie]

My alt has 152 mr... I was rooted 2 out of 5 last night. That is at lvl 29, by a lvl 8 spell. Only lasted maybe 10 secs tops, but it had me going wtf...

I found that root and snare worked a ton at the lower levels (even twinks), but on 55+ it's nearly impossible to land.

[Something'Witty]

I can confirm that last night Syft tried to snare a naked 55 druid (on a CR from another PvP encounter - grats Tune and Ezpk) and snare was resisted.

[Nirgon]

Why make spells completely useless?

I found root to be extremely useful when people refused to loot and scoot or had a history of not doing so personally.

Worked great on charmed mobs and pets too.

[Faerie]

I found root to be extremely useful when people refused to loot and scoot or had a history of not doing so personally.

Worked great on charmed mobs and pets too.

Everyone LnSed on VZ, but point taken I suppose. I still don't see why root lasting 1-2 seconds on players wouldn't be an option for the spells.

Why go with a strictly classic system when we could make non-classic improvements to it?

[Something'Witty]

Honestly though I'd rather see snare/root land maybe 50% of the time, but with hugely decreased duration. Why make spells completely useless?

While trying to teach my wife how to PvP on her druid, she landed ensnare (13 min snare) on my monk a couple of times, and each time the duration was only a few seconds. So I think decreased duration is already in game, at least for some snares.

[Faerie]

While trying to teach my wife how to PvP on her druid, she landed ensnare (13 min snare) on my monk a couple of times, and each time the duration was only a few seconds. So I think decreased duration is already in game, at least for some snares.

Oh it for sure is, but I was meaning decrease it even more and let it land more often. Like if a druid dedicated themselves to spamming nothing but snare they could keep a person snared, but if they do anything else it will break.

[Nirgon]

Root landing is almost a guaranteed instant dirt nap in group/raid pvp.

Or death if you are kiting a few mobs.

[Faerie]

Root landing is almost a guaranteed instant dirt nap in group/raid pvp.

Or death if you are kiting a few mobs.

In raid pvp yes, but only in certain group situations. If you have one person spamming root, then you have one less person efficiently healing/nuking. How many times have you seen root/snare land 55+, anyway?

What if snare lasted 1-3 seconds, and root lasted .5-1?

[Nirgon]

I'm not going to say classic EQ was a perfect system, but it was the best one to date and we should emulate that instead of trying to make up some new game. Further, the strongest draw for this server is nostalgia, so that should be supported.

I'm not here to debate pvp mechanical balance though.

That said, the classic system on RZ was fine and very good. Few people cried about it.

[Syft]

I remember when you were playing your bard you were whining about how resists needed to be fixed because you didn't like getting rooted/snared. Silly guy.

I know your retarded but for the 8737th time I'm not Swyft, and you must really hate this bard to troll him on threads that have nothing to do with bards whatsoever gotta highfive that guy for pissing you off so much.

[Syft]

Root landing is almost a guaranteed instant dirt nap in group/raid pvp.

Or death if you are kiting a few mobs.

I don't think mr should land on anyone with over like a 125, but if your mr is like 60 or your naked no I'm sorry you shouldn't resist root over and over again makes a mockery of entire resist system

[Syft]

I can confirm that last night Syft tried to snare a naked 55 druid (on a CR from another PvP encounter - grats Tune and Ezpk) and snare was resisted.

Dude you weren't the only one by guy 4 I was like WTF is going on, either a pissed off Dev has me nerfed to fuck or this shit is broke as hell because I literally have never landed a root or snare not even one with -10 mod.

so 5% chance my fucking ass! for me it's 100%

I should fraps it because it is the most nerve wracking BS I've ever seen

[Fentanyl]

I know your retarded but for the 8737th time I'm not Swyft, and you must really hate this bard to troll him on threads that have nothing to do with bards whatsoever gotta highfive that guy for pissing you off so much.

No, sir, YOU'RE retarded. Chance of you being in Circle of Tyrants aka guild of RL friends like Severin, Burgerking, etc... and having a name remarkably similar to "Swyft" on a server with 150 but somehow not being Swyft is ridiculously, no, retardedly low. Why you gotta lie? I don't think you're such a terrible person just an obviously bi-polar person. Cmon dude, it's ok.

[juicedsixfo]

I'm Swyft

[Nirgon]

Just let Nilbog take out the 5% chance, help with mez, mage pet root, high sun and unlimited range spells then give it a rest for a while pals.

[big league chew]

Didnt sk snare.last full duration? Was that ever.fixed?

working as intended

[Nirgon]

I hope you realize there is also a chance for a spell to be resisted regardless if they dont go over the max value.

You *can* be immune to a spell if you go over that max value.

AKA at 200 magic resist a root would never land.

[Syft]

No, sir, YOU'RE retarded. Chance of you being in Circle of Tyrants aka guild of RL friends like Severin, Burgerking, etc... and having a name remarkably similar to "Swyft" on a server with 150 but somehow not being Swyft is ridiculously, no, retardedly low. Why you gotta lie? I don't think you're such a terrible person just an obviously bi-polar person. Cmon dude, it's ok.

You know this guys RL friends you sound like a gay stalker you mad cuz this guy Swyft likes girls? And I joined CoT because they ranked number 4 unlike your pos guild.

[Infectious]

Why everytime a normal post gets brought up, two retards decide to fight about some shit that has nothing to do with the topic. Their is a game. Log in and fight it out in tells.

[Nirgon]

Why is it when we try to fight it out on boards, someone from in game comes in and shits up the thread

[Syft]

Why everytime a normal post gets brought up, two retards decide to fight about some shit that has nothing to do with the topic. Their is a game. Log in and fight it out in tells.

LOL it's my thread this tard is complaining about some bard and trolling me for no reason. And I'd happily kill him in game but he'll gate at the sight of me.

[Fentanyl]

Lawled

[runlvlzero]

my pally has shit gear and 88 mr

its enough, wish i had more + all other resists, but i'm happy to pvp with that.

I wish pve resists were more in line with pve and not pvp. and pvp resists were more classic though.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

The spells didn't land because EQ devs didn't care at all about pvp. They put spells into the game with pve in mind, and however they worked in pvp is just how they were going to work.

A custom system could improve on the original dev's "meh" approach.


So for now, take this down a notch. Crash my car through your windooooooow. Make sure you're still alive. Just in time to kill youuuuuuuuu.

[Potus]

Landed root today on a twinked out iksar. It was great. Lasted full duration. Almost makes up for dots being worthless.

[Gustoo]

Confirmed people complaining too ez to resist and too easy to land.

[Faerie]

Confirmed people complaining too ez to resist and too easy to land.

Sounds classic to me :)

[aborted]

Sounds classic to me :)
We are so classic, its all in one thread. Instead of mucking around with resists, just muck around with the duration this stuff stays up when it lands.

[Syft]

Lawled

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Nuff said!

[filthyphil]

shutup swyft nobody likes you

[Nyrod]

Why is it when we try to fight it out on boards, someone from in game comes in and shits up the thread

what happens in forums stays in forums

or is it the other way around?

[runlvlzero]

Post count +1(1,000)

[dogbarf]

Snare used to last 13minutes not 18 seconds. Sucks they cant fix this, ensaring people on CR's was super classic.

[Vile]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/spider2_zps9c4dcafa.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/spider2_zps9c4dcafa.png.html)

Nuff said!

owned

[Nirgon]

what happens in forums stays in forums


What happens on the forums gets implemented on the server in many cases

[Syft]

Syft is obviously Swyft. Dude rages hard just like Swyft. I pissed him off so much with my wizard, he quit the bard and made a wizard. Now Pillar been nerfed and he mad as shit. Sad times for shit talking scrubs.

Syft is less than 2 months old rocking an advisor and is about to pass you on boards. Unlike you I don't need a zerg group or bugged spell to get kills, I have something you can't farm...

Skill in PvP!

[Fentanyl]

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Nuff said!

Indeed. But you're still a lame faggot nobody likes whom I could easily pin down and slap repeatedly with my flaccid penis in a helicopter motion before taking your ugly girlfriend in one sentence just to turn her ass out on the street to make me $10 so I can enjoy myself a milkshake and a pack of cigarettes to increase the pleasure of watching this meaningless ForumQuest battle get you so worked up. <--- kept it one sentence for effect.

[runlvlzero]

Syft isn't that bad. But I do think he is somewhat irritating to a small margine. He's had plenty opportunity to be an annoyance to me and has respectfully been chill.

[Fentanyl]

Nah nobody is all that bad he just gets so worked up. Its just a big game. Everything all just a big game.

[Gustoo]

Thats prolly because EQ is a game.

[Syft]

Indeed. But you're still a lame faggot nobody likes whom I could easily pin down and slap repeatedly with my flaccid penis in a helicopter motion before taking your ugly girlfriend in one sentence just to turn her ass out on the street to make me $10 so I can enjoy myself a milkshake and a pack of cigarettes to increase the pleasure of watching this meaningless ForumQuest battle get you so worked up. <--- kept it one sentence for effect.

And I'm the mad guy really lol how's the weather in crazy town.

P.S. I run around killing every person I see, obviously I'm not trying to win a popularity contest.

[Fentanyl]

And I'm the mad guy really lol how's the weather in crazy town.

Really weird weather its August and it was very lightly raining. Thanks for asking.

[Junkman]

you gonna reroll again wiz not good enough for syft? fucking whining bitch just play the game

[Runya]

Its pretty simple what's wrong with root....can't land on a 55 dru and your 51? I have 170 magic at 52 and get rooted by 60s np.....on my necro at 58......not likely.There was always a resist check that took player lvls into account and obvi it needs a tweak......resist check with lvls more on scale of what it would land like if you were a mob of same lvl plus your magic......I know mez reacts to a players lvl like a mob......Could this check be coded similar? Does a guy 1 or 2 lvls make a difference? Probably imagine 4-5 lvls.....prolly should be looked at......it could balance out resists a lil better.....shits possible

[Nirgon]

4 level range now, 4 level range forever.

May Nilbog make it classic.

[Syft]

Its pretty simple what's wrong with root....can't land on a 55 dru and your 51? I have 170 magic at 52 and get rooted by 60s np.....on my necro at 58......not likely.There was always a resist check that took player lvls into account and obvi it needs a tweak......resist check with lvls more on scale of what it would land like if you were a mob of same lvl plus your magic......I know mez reacts to a players lvl like a mob......Could this check be coded similar? Does a guy 1 or 2 lvls make a difference? Probably imagine 4-5 lvls.....prolly should be looked at......it could balance out resists a lil better.....shits possible

Your right lvl's taking way to much into effect on resist checks I actually landed a few roots the other night but it was only against players who were much lower lvl. It honestly seems like it's taking the lvl's into effect more than the gear or resist value. Which was the opposite on live lvl's modified resist check on resist value, not gear modifying resist check on lvls.

I just think it would be better like live if your naked your fucked oh well that's the game, and people with shit gear get rooted, because the way it is malo and tash are worth shit.

Poor Enchanters getting the shaft here hardcore made the class worthless for pvp.

[Nirgon]

I see players being able to be spam stunned or rooted the same as a PvE'r would see being able to spam stun and root on raid mobs.

[heals4reals]

To the windowwws, to ttthe walls

To tha sweat drip down my balls

[Something'Witty]

Didn't I see you 1v1 the other day? And you ran? harhar

Ya he is quick to run when the tables turn on him, kind of like a sniper, but who doesn't gate / run when it is obvious they are going to die? The guy plays for PvP points on the leadership board, nothing wrong with that.

[Nirgon]

Part of the wizard is knowing when to run

[Something'Witty]

Part of the wizard is knowing when to run

Same can be said for any class.

[Gustoo]

Paladins aren't allowed to run their deity will disavow them and they get de leveled.

[Faerie]

Paladins aren't allowed to run their deity will disavow them and they get de leveled.

Also disables their Lay Hands ability.

[runlvlzero]

I honestly stopped reading this thread lol

[Syft]

Umm.. Leaderboard is only 2 months old. Doesn't account for when I was leveling up, killing everyone I saw. Plus your bragging about having less kills than my alt? I only PvP solo with her unless its during a raid and we need more porters. Your argument is pretty lame, just like your previous identity, Swyft. Didn't I see you 1v1 the other day? And you ran? harhar

My character is only as old as the leaderboard so that means while I was lvling for the month of leaderboard you were free to run around and exploit POF, so with everything in your favor, gear lvl,s, exploits, and I still caught you in score lol. And run pls Nihilum's idea of 1 guy is a war group of 5, five Nihilum in DL zone outside of KC and suddenly you were alone? Running ahead of the group around the corner does not make you alone.

But that's some imagination you got there

Ya he is quick to run when the tables turn on him, kind of like a sniper, but who doesn't gate / run when it is obvious they are going to die? The guy plays for PvP points on the leadership board, nothing wrong with that.

Only time I've run from anyone is when I'm oom, heavily outnumbered, and everyone who's attacked me 1v1 when I had more than 10% mana has died, plugged, gated or been carried away by bard speed.

Guess I was quick to run Yesterday when I engaged 3 red con Nihilum at OT hammer, took a Harm touch and still killed Pookie!

[Syft]

Is syft a lvl 50 wizard?

51 atm and suspended from play

[Something'Witty]

Only time I've run from anyone is when I'm oom, heavily outnumbered, and everyone who's attacked me 1v1 when I had more than 10% mana has died, plugged, gated or been carried away by bard speed.

Guess I was quick to run Yesterday when I engaged 3 red con Nihilum at OT hammer, took a Harm touch and still killed Pookie!

A couple of days ago in OT you sniped my wife (47 shm) while myself (47 monk) and a couple other high 30's / low 40's melee were killing some mobs. I think only one of the other players was in range of you (you were a red con to me at 47), and I was the only player who had lev on and could get in melee range to hit you. The other player that I think was in PvP range of you was a newbie ranger (started on the server a few weeks ago), who at the time was 42ish. I don't think his bow dmg is anything to write home about. Regardless we dropped you to ~30% life and you gated. Maybe you were OOM, maybe 2-3 melee blue cons (only one of which could actually get in melee range) counts as being heavily out numbered, but you did "run."

Note that this isn't a criticism. You got a kill, didn't die, were pleasant after the fight, so kudos.

[Syft]

A couple of days ago in OT you sniped my wife (47 shm) while myself (47 monk) and a couple other high 30's / low 40's melee were killing some mobs. I think only one of the other players was in range of you (you were a red con to me at 47), and I was the only player who had lev on and could get in melee range to hit you. The other player that I think was in PvP range of you was a newbie ranger (started on the server a few weeks ago), who at the time was 42ish. I don't think his bow dmg is anything to write home about. Regardless we dropped you to ~30% life and you gated. Maybe you were OOM, maybe 2-3 melee blue cons (only one of which could actually get in melee range) counts as being heavily out numbered, but you did "run."

Note that this isn't a criticism. You got a kill, didn't die, were pleasant after the fight, so kudos.

Just don't know how that translates to

Ya he is quick to run when the tables turn on him, kind of like a sniper, but who doesn't gate / run when it is obvious they are going to die? The guy plays for PvP points on the leadership board, nothing wrong with that.

Because that sounds like some supervillian shit to me, attacking 2-3 people at the same time and sticking around till almost completely oom don't exactly sound like cowardice, sounds like God's Work!

P.S. I was only 50 at that time best spell in my arsenal was lvl 44 conflag at 5.8 cast time lol.

[Faerie]

51 atm and suspended from play

Suspended why?

[Vile]

PEDs

[Something'Witty]

Because that sounds like some supervillian shit to me, attacking 2-3 people at the same time and sticking around till almost completely oom don't exactly sound like cowardice, sounds like God's Work!

P.S. I was only 50 at that time best spell in my arsenal was lvl 44 conflag at 5.8 cast time lol.

Wasn't calling you a coward at all, your strat was sound and you executed it well, but in the end you did run.

[Syft]

Suspended why?

Don't know wasn't given a reason or timeframe, I don't hack, don't train, wasn't making personal attacks in ooc.

Here's the ooc at the time, don't see how that was a suspend offense, but I guess it was.

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