A Poll on Variance

[zanderklocke]

Since FTE shouts are implemented, should variance be reevaluated?

See Poll for the information I am interested in collecting.

Note: This thread is not about VP training or any other raiding issues of contention not mentioned in this thread. Please post about other issues in another thread.

[radditsu]

my vote is bush, towers. until i see a real poll

[zanderklocke]

Sorry, was trying to make it as full encompassing as a poll as possible. Sorry for delay.

[xarzzardorn]

150 people standing on a spawn point isn't classic, sorry. people forget that variance wasn't always here and that it got changed for a reason. clearing trak's lair so you can start pooping with your entire guild isn't quite as enjoyable as killing trak with his lair spawned and only as many people as you think you need to engage and kill it

further on, the only thing you're going to collect with a poll like this is a bunch of dog shit. have fun!

[zanderklocke]

150 people standing on a spawn point isn't classic, sorry. people forget that variance wasn't always here and that it got changed for a reason. clearing trak's lair so you can start pooping with your entire guild isn't quite as enjoyable as killing trak with his lair spawned and only as many people as you think you need to engage and kill it

further on, the only thing you're going to collect with a poll like this is a bunch of dog shit. have fun!

You should vote in the thread.

I am simply curious what the general community leans towards. If you don't vote, it doesn't help indicate how many people share your view. I'm pretty positive I had a poll option for your view.

[khanable]

Variance should be removed to allow for classic mechanics to exist. More simultaneous server repops.

Is what I voted on for the sake of classicness.

However I wouldn't mind much if variances stayed but we also received a weekly repop.

[Hitpoint]

I don't mind variance. But week long windows are utterly ridiculous. With FTE shouts and window extensions, mob windows should be cut in half at least imo. +-48 hours with extensions is just bad.

[Sarius]

Let 150 people poop, it will mean training will be inefficient and FTE shouts will work...provided the zones don't crash

[timhutton]

Let 150 people poop

[Stinkum]

The current ruleset only encourages the worst type of poop-socking behavior in order to succeed on the server.

On the other hand, I wouldn't try to raid even if there was no variance.. So, it pleases me that it to see these people forced to waste 100s of hours tracking, staring at the wall in Trak lair and being generally hermity virgins while I'm out partying on a weekend night.

[Ravager]

Where's the option that says no variance with forced rotations?

[Thulack]

There is FTE shout now. Take some exlax and let the poop flow.

[Thulack]

Where's the option that says no variance with forced rotations?

Pointless to put as option as dev's have said they wont force a rotation.

[zanderklocke]

In my opinion, Nilbog would be in favor of removing variance to make the game more classic, and as long as FTE shouts determined who had the mob even without variance existing, I would think that Rogean wouldn't really care if variance existed or not. I tend to interpret Rogean liking whatever gives him the least biggest headache in terms of sorting out player disputes. No idea what the other GMs would think?

EDIT: Shit who am I kidding, I have no idea what the motives of the staff are and what they would/wouldn't support based on player consensus.

However, in a dream world, which I don't believe would happen because it isn't classic, I would think it would be cool if all the mobs spawned simultaneously at a random time each week. This time would be based off variance. Players would receive a notification of like 30 mins to an hour before it happened maybe via a server wide message? Then everyone would race to the mobs, and the time each week this happened would be random to not screw over Euro people or anyone else in a different time zone from the majority. I want to distinguish that this is different from server repops; I mean this is the only way raid targets would pop. Not sure how this would work for mobs that are a less than 7 day timer like Trak/Maestro.

[Cecily]

Everything is fine the way it currently is on the server.

[Stinkum]

Everything is fine the way it currently is on the server.

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[Sarius]

Everything is fine the way it currently is on the server.

Back to RnF with you she-devil!

[webrunner5]

This is just a wild guess on my part but I think the reason there is variance on here, and Nilbog, Rogean, Sirken are so hands off on this is that they have RL jobs, and I would assume families.

Any other method would mean a lot more hands on, ergo, time out of their lives to do this. I think they just don't want to be bothered and I don't blame them. They probably devote a LOT more time to this server than you think the way it is.

[Sarius]

How would other methods require a lot more hands on time?

[Dentalplan]

This is just a wild guess on my part but I think the reason there is variance on here, and Nilbog, Rogean, Sirken are so hands off on this is that they have RL jobs, and I would assume families.

Any other method would mean a lot more hands on, ergo, time out of their lives to do this. I think they just don't want to be bothered and I don't blame them. They probably devote a LOT more time to this server than you think the way it is.
With the FTE shouts in there's no extra work created for the gms when multiple parties are vying for FTE, since everyone can see who got it. There's really no reason to keep variance in at this point except to preserve the status quo.

[zanderklocke]

With the FTE shouts in there's no extra work created for the gms when multiple parties are vying for FTE, since everyone can see who got it. There's really no reason to keep variance in at this point except to preserve the status quo.

On the other hand, I'm not sure the staff care about this, but there is still the flaw that 300 people show up to raid Trakanon.

However, that's why I like the idea of all mobs popping at once each week, although not classic. Server repops are really the best thing that is currently (If you count currently as every 1.5 months or so) happening to this server.

[Sarius]

Weekly server repops are not remotely classic. Top guilds will still got the majority of the mobs. What are you trying to accomplish? Bringing down the price of green scales and earth staff?

[zanderklocke]

Weekly server repops are not remotely classic. Top guilds will still got the majority of the mobs. What are you trying to accomplish? Bringing down the price of green scales and earth staff?

Yes, they get the majority of the mobs but not all of them. This is the only time that other guilds actually get some of the mobs. FE/BDA/IB/other guilds tend to get a few mobs.

TMO gets close to 100% of the mobs each week with just the current tracking system in place. FE sometimes gets a mob, and the other guilds may get lucky and be raiding a zone when a mob pops.

Yes, TMO gets the bulk of mobs with server repops, but other guilds get a chance and actually get to "compete" rather than wake up at 3 AM to kill a mob that was camped out for. TMO cannot be everywhere at once.

No variance seems like an interesting possibility too; however, it seems like it would be sort of like a coin flip to see who gets FTE on the mob. However, we now know who would get it based on the shouts. I think I'd rather have this than variance.

My humble opinion, which you can disagree with is:
Simultaneous repops > Classic mechanics > Variance.

I just don't think anyone wins in terms of "fun" with variance. No one likes tracking. Waking up at 4 AM in the morning isn't fun either.

[spoils]

what about he euros please! someone think about the euros! if the repops were during USA primetime, the euros are gonna get maddddd!~

[zanderklocke]

Then everyone would race to the mobs, and the time each week this happened would be random to not screw over Euro people or anyone else in a different time zone from the majority.

It's a dream though.

Server repops in off-peak times are probably the best chance for Euro people not in TMO.

EDIT: I have no problems with TMO or its players. I just think it would be cool if more people could compete with them like on repop days. I think many of them seem to like that competition too.

[Ahldagor]

Everything is fine the way it currently is on the server.

[Shinko]

Variance should exist with shorter windows, and more simultaneous server repops.