Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Autotune]

The point of the thread is that the rules are fucked in VP, and not a good representation of what VP raiding was on live. Everyone says training was allowed in VP on live yet there is not one single shread of evidence of this, do you happen to have any?

Would you shut the fuck up on this already. You keep preaching the same shit that has already had light shed on it.

1) Rules for VP here aren't based on the rules for VP on live.

2) P99 non CSR for VP isn't the same as Live's non CSR for raid zones.

3) Certain servers trained in VP regardless of what the rule book said because some GMs didn't enforce the rules as strictly as other servers.


NOTE: See my signature for Rogean's response to this ignorant asshat.

[Tasslehofp99]

Prove it

Would you shut the fuck up on this already. You keep preaching the same shit that has already had light shed on it.

1) Rules for VP here aren't based on the rules for VP on live.

2) P99 non CSR for VP isn't the same as Live's non CSR for raid zones.

3) Certain servers trained in VP regardless of what the rule book said because some GMs didn't enforce the rules as strictly as other servers.


NOTE: See my signature for Rogean's response to this ignorant asshat.

Not everyone is as smart as you autotune, I'm trying to enlighten the folks like arteker/alarti who are still convinced training was allowed on live by GM's.

[quido]

I like training Tasslehof. Come join TMO and you might get the chance too!

[Alarti0001]

Not everyone is as smart as you autotune, I'm trying to enlighten the folks like arteker/alarti who are still convinced training was allowed on live by GM's.

It was... on Fennin Ro for sure :)

[Arteker]

Not everyone is as smart as you autotune, I'm trying to enlighten the folks like arteker/alarti who are still convinced training was allowed on live by GM's.

unlike you seems i did raid in live and training was a hugue factor .or it was in solusek ro server.
i dont even remember a gm showing up or bothering to do nada about it.

but instead we had lots of wonderfull gm events and no one complained.

Gms where around to help individual people and do events and in general help when they can , most guides where useles.

in raid scene they never moved a finger.

Gms like brenloo, pugigi or mrylokar did though that way.

[Tasslehofp99]

unlike you seems i did raid in live and training was a hugue factor .or it was in solusek ro server.
i dont even remember a gm showing up or bothering to do nada about it.

but instead we had lots of wonderfull gm events and no one complained.

Gms where around to help individual people and do events and in general help when they can , most guides where useles.

in raid scene they never moved a finger.

Gms like brenloo, pugigi or mrylokar did though that way.



Prove it.

There is substantial proof that training was not allowed by live GMs in any zone, yet you still make claims that sol ro was different....where is your proof?


By your logic, training was allowed in plane of hate/fear/sky too then?

It certainly wasn't, but these zones all share the same "non-csr" tag with VP, where you insist training was allowed by live GMs.

The only argument for training in VP being allowed that has been presented so far is that pathing there is so bad that training is inevitable and would lead to excessive petitions for the gms to deal with. That makes no sense though because now you're making it impossible for people to zone in/explore/experiment and offer input that may aid in fixing the pathing.


Furthermore, the entire raiding scene is instilled with doubt in terms of what kind of fair/competitive raiding scene awaits in velious if 2+ years after kunark release training is still allowed in the final raiding zone.

[Llodd]

I don't think the zone is that unique, I believe it just hasn't seen much from the devs.

Not to mention, that while the zone was going to be released, the pathing dev was called out to be abusing his powers (true/untrue as it may have been) and ultimately quit. This left VP without anyone to focus on its pathing as the other devs, I believe, were/are focused on Velious.

From what I have seen now there is a new dev working on pathing, but he/she either isn't an expert (not being an ass), has given VP very little attention, or has been focusing on Velious zones more (or some combination of those).

It is quite bewildering that the endzone of kunark receives such little care and attention.

Should we conclude that the endzones of velious will similarily receive as little attention? Worrying.

[Arteker]

Prove it.

There is substantial proof that training was not allowed by live GMs in any zone, yet you still make claims that sol ro was different....where is your proof?


By your logic, training was allowed in plane of hate/fear/sky too then?

It certainly wasn't, but these zones all share the same "non-csr" tag with VP, where you insist training was allowed by live GMs.

The only argument for training in VP being allowed that has been presented so far is that pathing there is so bad that training is inevitable and would lead to excessive petitions for the gms to deal with. That makes no sense though because now you're making it impossible for people to zone in/explore/experiment and offer input that may aid in fixing the pathing.


Furthermore, the entire raiding scene is instilled with doubt in terms of what kind of fair/competitive raiding scene awaits in velious if 2+ years after kunark release training is still allowed in the final raiding zone.

or claiming venril rathir aoe lifetaps.

[Hitpoint]

It's obvious that everyone except tmo thinks this rule is trash, and it isn't even classic. So why is it still allowed? What is it going to take for the GMs to change their stance on this?

[Alarti0001]

It's obvious that everyone except tmo thinks this rule is trash, and it isn't even classic. So why is it still allowed? What is it going to take for the GMs to change their stance on this?

Is it obvious?

[Tasslehofp99]

It is quite bewildering that the endzone of kunark receives such little care and attention.

Should we conclude that the endzones of velious will similarily receive as little attention? Worrying.

This is exactly why I'm not very excited for the release of velious on this server.

[Autotune]

It is quite bewildering that the endzone of kunark receives such little care and attention.

Should we conclude that the endzones of velious will similarily receive as little attention? Worrying.

I was referring to the pathing and gave the best reason as to why it is the way it is. The dragons and mobs hit boxes, abilities, etc have all been updated and tweeked a few times.

Velious is an entire different thing, it's the last planned expansion and there (at the moment) isn't any drama circling the pathing dev afaik.

[Alarti0001]

it's very obvious.

this poll alone speaks otherwise.

[Tasslehofp99]

It's obvious that everyone except tmo thinks this rule is trash, and it isn't even classic. So why is it still allowed? What is it going to take for the GMs to change their stance on this?

Wondering what it takes myself, really. I mean, at this point more competition in the raid scene would benefit the server as a whole. The current rules in VP destroy competition, and basically only benefit one guild. It's almost a joke to me at this point. :rolleyes:

[Autotune]

Wondering what it takes myself, really. I mean, at this point more competition in the raid scene would benefit the server as a whole. The current rules in VP destroy competition, and basically only benefit one guild. It's almost a joke to me at this point. :rolleyes:

Except, you already know what it's going to take.

[Alarti0001]

Would train Alarti in RL

You wouldnt do shit.

[newsmurf]

The current rules in VP destroy competition, and basically only benefit one guild. It's almost a joke to me at this point. :rolleyes:

Actually on the contrary they provoke competition. It's just a form most people on the server are too spineless to carry out. The carebear mentality you enerds have developed is that training in a zone, where training is allowed mind you, is morally undignified. Makes sense right? And why is everyone worried about VP when you can't even kill trak consistently? If FE actually killed Trak everytime they engaged him, you would have more keys than TMO. However, you sadly engage too early or just wipe for w/e reasons usually. Maybe before you throw bitch fits about VP kill the big lizard first?

[Llodd]

I was referring to the pathing and gave the best reason as to why it is the way it is. The dragons and mobs hit boxes, abilities, etc have all been updated and tweeked a few times.

Velious is an entire different thing, it's the last planned expansion and there (at the moment) isn't any drama circling the pathing dev afaik.

I appreciate that (I think I was refering to the pathing too). And obviously you're not staff so anything said here is based on players experience, again something you're probably more qualified at than most all things considered.

And fwiw I don't blame the staff at all. They stay out of these discussion, and never give timetables or finish dates for obvious reasons.

But still. It is perplexing that the endzone (really is worth stressing that I feel) of Kunark just hasn't been sorted out after all this time.

Even if training were never to be discarded in there it would make sense, to my mind atleast, to make that a bit more challenging. As it currently stands (as far as I know) there's very little skill invovled in being able to dump trains on others and live fairly easily. The staff don't appear to be adverse to the train situation, prossibly as a result of their non pve background, but I think it would be beneficial to address the pathing issues comprehensively to atleast add some element of skill.

[FoxxHound]

After I trained you I would pee on you

[Tasslehofp99]

Actually on the contrary they provoke competition. It's just a form most people on the server are too spineless to carry out. The carebear mentality you enerds have developed is that training in a zone, where training is allowed mind you, is morally undignified. Makes sense right? And why is everyone worried about VP when you can't even kill trak consistently? If FE actually killed Trak everytime they engaged him, you would have more keys than TMO. However, you sadly engage too early or just wipe for w/e reasons usually. Maybe before you throw bitch fits about VP kill the big lizard first?

The problem is that training shouldn't be allowed in VP, especially if we are trying to emulate classic live as closely as possible.


Also, FE has killed trak plenty of times but that has nothing to do with this thread or the flawed rules which it was meant to discuss.


If training in VP "provokes" competition, then how come anyone with a VP key that isn't in tmo pretty much refuses to zone into VP? Your post makes no sense at all.

Bring classic rules to VP and you will see an increase in competition in VP as well as other zones since removing training would force TMO to reprioritize their targets on repops and perhaps even through regular repops.

[Luchino]

Dreaming about poopsocking pd gets you off, doesn't it.

[Autotune]

I appreciate that (I think I was refering to the pathing too). And obviously you're not staff so anything said here is based on players experience, again something you're probably more qualified at than most all things considered.

And fwiw I don't blame the staff at all. They stay out of these discussion, and never give timetables or finish dates for obvious reasons.

But still. It is perplexing that the endzone (really is worth stressing that I feel) of Kunark just hasn't been sorted out after all this time.

Even if training were never to be discarded in there it would make sense, to my mind atleast, to make that a bit more challenging. As it currently stands (as far as I know) there's very little skill invovled in being able to dump trains on others and live fairly easily. The staff don't appear to be adverse to the train situation, prossibly as a result of their non pve background, but I think it would be beneficial to address the pathing issues comprehensively to atleast add some element of skill.

I made it a point to talk to staff and their friends(players) as often as I could, just to see how things were and to just generally be friendly. I was also a part of VP opening up and had the privilege of hearing the reasons why VP was delayed (the many different stories/reasons). I'm sure I am not 100% spot on with everything, but mostly close.

When VP was released, Rogean and Nilbog both attended the first, second, and even the third round of VP raids (I think they even came in after changes later down the road). The one thing that didn't happen when they made changes (that I ever noticed) was seeing VP pathing getting updates as the encounters were. Nilbog made sure the encounters were as close to classic as possible and not long after that moved on to Velious it seemed. Rogean makes changes, but as most know he doesn't focus on pathing issues. Basically you have a zone that functions, but pathing is horrid. One of the reasons given to VP being delayed so long in the first place was that it just wasn't functioning and when players pushed for it to be released... well we got it (after another slight delay).

The staff here work very hard for being something they do for free. Focusing on releasing Velious is far greater than focusing on a zone that very little of the server will experience even if it was functioning properly and had proper classic rules (no training). Pleasing the greatest number of people and drawing more players back is far greater than satisfying a few raiding guilds for a few weeks. You can argue that not fixing pathing and enforcing rules is an option, but it's not when CSR says it's not so we fall back on waiting until Velious or hoping that the new pathing dev can find time outside of working on Velious to fix VP's issues.

The end-game zone of Kunark just isn't a top priority compared to other things (pathing wise) and CSR already has the work load they are comfortable dealing with in their spare time.

In the end, players can only blame themselves for VP and its rules after pushing a pathing dev (who was pretty decent) off the project. I doubt you'll find anyone in TMO who will shed a tear on that note though.

[Tasslehofp99]

Dreaming about poopsocking pd gets you off, doesn't it.

Another great intelligent addition to the discussion from someone who only posted here to derail with rnf type posts. Why did you waste your time clicking on this thread if that's all you have to offer?

All 100 pages of this post have 1 thing in common, and that is the shithead trolls trying to derail a serious discussion which a lot of folks feel strongly about. Please fuck off to rants and flames and let the mature adults have a peaceful discussion about the future and present state of p99 endgame raiding, thanks. Fuck where da forum mods at.

[Luchino]

I'm not the one reiterating the same drawn out argument. Tmo came to VP as underdogs and won. You guys had a lot of momentum earlier this year, Druushk was a great kill. But then it seems we shut the door on you. I hear you guys just bank teeth? Key up and try again. Before fte shouts we had to petition every mob. If I was a GM coming home from work knowing that I had to look over 10 fraps videos and a laundry list of whiney petitions, on top of my normal resposibilities, I wouldn't want to log in. That's exactly what it's going to be like if they stop training.

[Tasslehofp99]

Or people could just not train like newbs.


No reason to train.
No reason to pull every dragon in VP to entrance, this is how trains/pathing exploits occur.
You're just using the whole GM side of it as an excuse to defend griefing and training of other players.

[Autotune]

Or people could just not train like newbs.


No reason to train.
No reason to pull every dragon in VP to entrance, this is how trains/pathing exploits occur.
You're just using the whole GM side of it as an excuse to defend griefing and training of other players.

No, he stated it's allowed and gave the correct reason why.

the reason to train is because they don't like you.

[quido]

Tasslehof was completely willing to take part in training for VP until his team lost momentum.

[Luchino]

Just play the game you have in front of you. We're not paying a monthly subscription. They will fix shit as they can, as they always have. Releasing Velious would benefit the many, where putting man hours into VP would benefit the few... very few. Also, no one in their right mind would ever clear up to the dragons. Two minute respawn time on trash with chances of splits or double splits? You're going to need numbers that zone has never seen before. With Harmony being removed soon, training trash away will be undoubtedly be the way to go, as it has been.

[Tasslehofp99]

Tasslehof was completely willing to take part in training for VP until his team lost momentum.

Yeah, totally!

I could still zone into VP and attempt training anytime I want, but I've chosen to instead work towards fixing a non-classic mechanic in the p99 raiding scene. I just don't understand all of the ruffled feathers really, just trying to help fix p99s raiding scene while also refuting the belief that trains were ever allowed by live GMs.

[JayN]

tmo I have fraps running

TMO IS WIPING OUR RAID FROM AOE CONE DEADLY LIFETAP!



shit like the above is why you cant even kill a one groupable broken mob with a raid force; your zerg force doesnt even know wtf they are doing or fighting.

Zergling go forth with your soul fire and pray for fte and another guild showing up killing it for you.

this is sad and pathetic... should hurry up and sac hoff down like shinko did.

Maybe you can properly spell something at the tunnel with your corpses lol

dont forget to award meaningless dkp for the zerglings you force to organize your corpses at the tunnel for you

[Tasslehofp99]

Just play the game you have in front of you. We're not paying a monthly subscription. They will fix shit as they can, as they always have. Releasing Velious would benefit the many, where putting man hours into VP would benefit the few... very few. Also, no one in their right mind would ever clear up to the dragons. Two minute respawn time on trash with chances of splits or double splits? You're going to need numbers that zone has never seen before. With Harmony being removed soon, training trash away will be undoubtedly be the way to go, as it has been.

Maybe you never played in vp on live during classic era.


You can use invis/harmony/factioned coth mages to move wherever you want without training...its quite easy really. So they take harmony out, big deal...you can still engage/kill any mob in zone without training.


There is literally no reason to allow training in eq in any zone, if you are trying to emulate live eq as closely as possible.

[Tasslehofp99]

tmo I have fraps running

TMO IS WIPING OUR RAID FROM AOE CONE DEADLY LIFETAP!



shit like the above is why you cant even kill a one groupable broken mob with a raid force; your zerg force doesnt even know wtf they are doing or fighting.

Zergling go forth with your soul fire and pray for fte and another guild showing up killing it for you.

this is sad and pathetic... should hurry up and sac hoff down like shinko did.

Maybe you can properly spell something at the tunnel with your corpses lol

dont forget to award meaningless dkp for the zerglings you force to organize your corpses at the tunnel for you

Man trolls coming out of the woodwork tonight. Anyway, like I previously stated to art...no one claimed VS was aoe lifetapping. Tortue/kline were attacking VS from the front side to cause ripostes which lead to lifetap procs. We did about 110k dmg to VS, dropped him to 30% health twice only to watch him heal to 90% then we got him down to about 45% a third time before our tank died.


Zerg force? We had 23 ppl there and a lvl 56 warrior tanking. You guys wiped to sev recently with 36.

[JayN]

trains happen in EQ this is not WOW mobs dont leash; the only time GM's ever did anything is once something was reported and petitioned.

then they'd come observer and have to catch someone in the act, no SS's or fraps were ever permitted as evidence.

the GM's here are very fair TMO has been punished when they broke the rules(very few times). Many times gms have ruled for the under dogs (not TMO)... later gms have to go back and reveres decisions... Talendor comes to mind.

I dont think you should punish the people that actually make the effort to be where they are...
Dont worry you can just always be farming the previous expansion dont be ashamed, many guilds would do that on live It is in fact a very classic approach to playing EQ

[JayN]

Man trolls coming out of the woodwork tonight. Anyway, like I previously stated to art...no one claimed VS was aoe lifetapping. Tortue/kline were attacking VS from the front side to cause ripostes which lead to lifetap procs. We did about 110k dmg to VS, dropped him to 30% health twice only to watch him heal to 90% then we got him down to about 45% a third time before our tank died.


Zerg force? We had 23 ppl there and a lvl 56 warrior tanking. You guys wiped to sev recently with 36.


Any proof of them doing what you said?

your zerg force was lead by a 56 warrior; see this is what im talking about how can you really be complaining about not getting a fair shake at targets when you show up with level 56 tanks and only way to heal is soulfires.....

you have a very unreal expectations

[Luchino]

Man trolls coming out of the woodwork tonight. Anyway, like I previously stated to art...no one claimed VS was aoe lifetapping. Tortue/kline were attacking VS from the front side to cause ripostes which lead to lifetap procs. We did about 110k dmg to VS, dropped him to 30% health twice only to watch him heal to 90% then we got him down to about 45% a third time before our tank died.


Zerg force? We had 23 ppl there and a lvl 56 warrior tanking. You guys wiped to sev recently with 36.

Reposts dont lead to lifetaps. They're trying to remedy this now under current bug reports.

[Thu Sep 05 19:31:10 2013] Mirumoto shouts, 'tmo out of the room'
[Thu Sep 05 19:31:17 2013] You shout, 'shut up truckie'
[Thu Sep 05 19:31:28 2013] Mirumoto shouts, 'lifetapping him on purpose is raid interference'
[Thu Sep 05 19:33:08 2013] Calabee says out of character, 'fuck off, u all got lifetapepd so he regened like crazy'

Sorry to derail even further!

[Tasslehofp99]

Any proof of them doing what you said?

your zerg force was lead by a 56 warrior; see this is what im talking about how can you really be complaining about not getting a fair shake at targets when you show up with level 56 tanks and only way to heal is soulfires.....

you have a very unreal expectations

What are you on dude? Unreal expectations to kill vs with 23 ppl? Fe killed their first VS kill ever with 13 players. Your guild regularly accesses our forums so you can see exactly how many people we have at each kill as well as how many people have soulfires. You still sit there posting lies and bullshit even though you have access to all the info you need, that my friends is pure stupidity. I would say not a single soulfire charge was used on that last VS. Also, a 56 warrior is fully capable of tanking Vs, in fact the same warrior tanked him the last 2 times we killed VS flawlessly.

You keep posting such ignorant troll posts its kind of sad you're wasting your time typing up these posts which are full of lies and inaccurate information.

Reposts dont lead to lifetaps. They're trying to remedy this now under current bug reports.

[Thu Sep 05 19:31:10 2013] Mirumoto shouts, 'tmo out of the room'
[Thu Sep 05 19:31:17 2013] You shout, 'shut up truckie'
[Thu Sep 05 19:31:28 2013] Mirumoto shouts, 'lifetapping him on purpose is raid interference'
[Thu Sep 05 19:33:08 2013] Calabee says out of character, 'fuck off, u all got lifetapepd so he regened like crazy'

Sorry to derail even further!

Ive been lifetapped on a riposte by VS before, I'm fairly certain anyway. Either way you guys were interfering by standing on top of thr mob were engaged to, but I swear I saw tortue and kline both get lifetapped and healed by tmo healers.

[JayN]

we killed VS flawlessly

your fucking hilarious and delusional

please provide proof of what you say raid interference ..

you have none and are lying or someone would be suspended already and loot would have been awarded to FE

[Tasslehofp99]

Lol, that's a joke.


Plenty of conclusive fraps taken in the past, ephi told us fraps is not used as evidence anymore.
Just last week we fraps tortue continously FD mobs on FE members and submitted to ephi, he tells us fraps isn't used by gms to determine if training was intentional.

How did TMO go about using fraps as evidence the 2 times they got FE raid suspended?

This is what I'm talking about when I say fair enforcement of rules.

[Tasslehofp99]

This would've been our 3rd VS in a row, tortue did whatever it took to prevent that from happening.

[Arteker]

What are you on dude? Unreal expectations to kill vs with 23 ppl? Fe killed their first VS kill ever with 13 players. Your guild regularly accesses our forums so you can see exactly how many people we have at each kill as well as how many people have soulfires. You still sit there posting lies and bullshit even though you have access to all the info you need, that my friends is pure stupidity. I would say not a single soulfire charge was used on that last VS. Also, a 56 warrior is fully capable of tanking Vs, in fact the same warrior tanked him the last 2 times we killed VS flawlessly.

You keep posting such ignorant troll posts its kind of sad you're wasting your time typing up these posts which are full of lies and inaccurate information.



Ive been lifetapped on a riposte by VS before, I'm fairly certain anyway. Either way you guys were interfering by standing on top of thr mob were engaged to, but I swear I saw tortue and kline both get lifetapped and healed by tmo healers.

mobs dont proc on riposte u should as many in your guild take ur time to read bug reports and trying to understand them.

but ey dont worry if u say VS cast cazic touch it must be true since great hoff said so and everyone know the great hoff cannot be wrong :p

[Godefroi]

well tortue is an inbred in a wheelchair. Doesnt really surprizes me.

bann him 6 months again please

[Arteker]

well tortue is an inbred in a wheelchair. Doesnt really surprizes me.

bann him 6 months again please

would make me happy alot sadly in this case its anotehr hoff fantasy world, i was groupd with him while fe wiped and didint drop a single hp , infact mofo was afk for first mins of engage .he was more busy cursing because we didint get fte before fe did .

[Tasslehofp99]

Bump, apparently stacking up 5-10 characters right in the way of another guild's tank and DPS while they are engaged to a raid mob isn't interference. Either way, lets remove training in VP and make the raiding scene a better, more classic, experience.

[Kika Maslyaka]

http://gucomics.com/comics/2007/gu_20070511.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Bump, apparently stacking up 5-10 characters right in the way of another guild's tank and DPS while they are engaged to a raid mob isn't interference. Either way, lets remove training in VP and make the raiding scene a better, more classic, experience.

first the excuse was VS aoe lifetaps... now you scramble for this? lol

[heartbrand]

meanwhile on red99 no drama or trains to deal with http://www.twitch.tv/heartbrand
trakanon about to die with 19 people

[Kika Maslyaka]

meanwhile on red99 no drama or trains to deal with http://www.twitch.tv/heartbrand
trakanon about to die with 19 people

...I swear, if another "commi" promotes RED again, I will start posting in PvP forums with titles like "Jesus would want you to be playing on Blue"...

[NegaStoat]

Lol, that's a joke.


Plenty of conclusive fraps taken in the past, ephi told us fraps is not used as evidence anymore.


Take the Fraps anyway, and host it on Youtube and provide a link + explanation post in RNF. I'd bet anything that a large number of us forum lurkers would be entertained with the results. Especially if it's horrendously blatant evidence and nothing is done about it.

[Tasslehofp99]

first the excuse was VS aoe lifetaps... now you scramble for this? lol

I never once claimed VS aoe lifetaps, and if someone else did they are retarded. I simply was under the impression that he lifetapped on ripostes, which seemed logical at the time when tortue was attacking VS from front and he was healing. On that particular fight we dropped VS to 30% and he healed to 90% like 3 times. Pretty sure we parsed over 100k damage on him, but I've had no luck figuring out who initially posted the parse in guild chat. There was plenty of reason to cry foulplay on that VS, if not the lifetaps then at the very least stacking your players right in our way.

not suprised really, this isn't the first time tortue has been guilty of interfering..I'm just wondering why the same people are allowed to interfere with impunity.

[Drone]

/d
guild champion vs guild champion
smash dicks for pixels

[Arteker]

This would have been your 3rd POOPSOCKED VS in a row. But you failed :confused: Are you aware Tortue did nothing to interfere with your raid at least? Or you still think he did?

nah i dont think he realizes, its true they managed to drop him to 6% then chained several lifetaps , but they where lackin mele dps , most his casters where oom and they have almost no mele dps .

Tortue was grouped with me , luchino , solkunar, desmo , kaimandroth and he never got touched.

it was calabee and truckie blaming aoe lifetaps , hoff poped after we killed it . he wasnt even present at the figth .

[Arteker]

main problem of a mob like vs is or u kill fast or u got troubles ,FE had the healing power but no dps to a fast kill.

they fougth it for almost 6 mins till clerics went out and soulfires chasrges where used.

his low lvl war was killed and then wipe.

its easier to use tortue as scapegoat the same way last sev someone was using mem blurr in sev .

tmo or Fe i dont know the new staff member maybe could answer it.

[Tasslehofp99]

nah i dont think he realizes, its true they managed to drop him to 6% then chained several lifetaps , but they where lackin mele dps , most his casters where oom and they have almost no mele dps .

Tortue was grouped with me , luchino , solkunar, desmo , kaimandroth and he never got touched.

it was calabee and truckie blaming aoe lifetaps , hoff poped after we killed it . he wasnt even present at the figth .

I was there, just not on my druid!


main problem of a mob like vs is or u kill fast or u got troubles ,FE had the healing power but no dps to a fast kill.

they fougth it for almost 6 mins till clerics went out and soulfires chasrges where used.

his low lvl war was killed and then wipe.

its easier to use tortue as scapegoat the same way last sev someone was using mem blurr in sev .

tmo or Fe i dont know the new staff member maybe could answer it.

No one memblurred sev, there is a known bug that FTE shouts go off near or at the mob's death. There is already a thread in the bug section regarding this!

[Arteker]

I was there, just not on my druid!




No one memblurred sev, there is a known bug that FTE shouts go off near or at the mob's death. There is already a thread in the bug section regarding this!

then u should admit tortue was even afk for start of ur figth with vs he raised later ,was mytha dorf paladin who called out vs was up in our guild channel.

than tortue was talking shit ? yes he did , than he touch vs false. u guys just lacked dps for a clean kill.

about SEV i recall watching it doing the blink emote several times .

now my question for you is the following.

you said you are agaisnt popsock yet while TMO politic is to camp in the zone and wait for a traker call, FE just drop as many people as they can in the zone to get a shot at the mob .

this kind of tactics of course is fucked up due to variance rule wich u prety much hate.

why i regard all ur post about as a a joke because all ur ideas are aimed to benefeit ur guild FE tactics not the general server hoff.

tmo follow up a doctrine of 2 dragon kills up in vp unless its pd yet u guys dont scout anymore Vp or try it again .

u guys know the drill u guys trained the shit out of tmo yet why not apply what tmo does to dodge the trains and have dedicated people to mirror our strategy and actualy attemp to get kills?

even if tmo wins the train war i doubt we have a trouble to rez ur comrades inside of vp and allow u guys to get out in a safe way.

we did it in the past, myself rezed several members of ur guilds and draged them to safe spot or to one of your clerics.


i think if the issue if tmo vs FE and im not sure u a officer of FE maybe its time to growth some balls invite zeelot or tmo officers and talk about a way to calm down tmo FE guild relations.

the main issue is old FE claims destroying Tmo wich will not work tmo fall will be hard to achieve by other guild.

Yet FE could take the claim of 2 guild in server and live and compete in a better enviroment without hate monger doctrine btw 2 guilds.


give it a chance, ask both guilds to stop the QQ angry shit and other stuff and just race upon some rules of courtesy .

u dont need a gm or forum quest forever because liekwsie u will not do nada.

stop looking at forum man ur answer are in game .

be honest to yourself swallow ur hate for tmo or tmo memebrs and deciate urself to ur guildmates .

[radditsu]

then u should admit tortue was even afk for start of ur figth with vs he raised later ,was mytha dorf paladin who called out vs was up in our guild channel.

than tortue was talking shit ? yes he did , than he touch vs false. u guys just lacked dps for a clean kill.

about SEV i recall watching it doing the blink emote several times .

now my question for you is the following.

you said you are agaisnt popsock yet while TMO politic is to camp in the zone and wait for a traker call, FE just drop as many people as they can in the zone to get a shot at the mob .

this kind of tactics of course is fucked up due to variance rule wich u prety much hate.

why i regard all ur post about as a a joke because all ur ideas are aimed to benefeit ur guild FE tactics not the general server hoff.

tmo follow up a doctrine of 2 dragon kills up in vp unless its pd yet u guys dont scout anymore Vp or try it again .

u guys know the drill u guys trained the shit out of tmo yet why not apply what tmo does to dodge the trains and have dedicated people to mirror our strategy and actualy attemp to get kills?

even if tmo wins the train war i doubt we have a trouble to rez ur comrades inside of vp and allow u guys to get out in a safe way.

we did it in the past, myself rezed several members of ur guilds and draged them to safe spot or to one of your clerics.


i think if the issue if tmo vs FE and im not sure u a officer of FE maybe its time to growth some balls invite zeelot or tmo officers and talk about a way to calm down tmo FE guild relations.

the main issue is old FE claims destroying Tmo wich will not work tmo fall will be hard to achieve by other guild.

Yet FE could take the claim of 2 guild in server and live and compete in a better enviroment without hate monger doctrine btw 2 guilds.


give it a chance, ask both guilds to stop the QQ angry shit and other stuff and just race upon some rules of courtesy .

u dont need a gm or forum quest forever because liekwsie u will not do nada.

stop looking at forum man ur answer are in game .

be honest to yourself swallow ur hate for tmo or tmo memebrs and deciate urself to ur guildmates .

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[Porz]

Can this be moved to rnf yet?

[zel]

then u should admit tortue was even afk for start of ur figth with vs he raised later ,was mytha dorf paladin who called out vs was up in our guild channel.

than tortue was talking shit ? yes he did , than he touch vs false. u guys just lacked dps for a clean kill.

about SEV i recall watching it doing the blink emote several times .

now my question for you is the following.

you said you are agaisnt popsock yet while TMO politic is to camp in the zone and wait for a traker call, FE just drop as many people as they can in the zone to get a shot at the mob .

this kind of tactics of course is fucked up due to variance rule wich u prety much hate.

why i regard all ur post about as a a joke because all ur ideas are aimed to benefeit ur guild FE tactics not the general server hoff.

tmo follow up a doctrine of 2 dragon kills up in vp unless its pd yet u guys dont scout anymore Vp or try it again .

u guys know the drill u guys trained the shit out of tmo yet why not apply what tmo does to dodge the trains and have dedicated people to mirror our strategy and actualy attemp to get kills?

even if tmo wins the train war i doubt we have a trouble to rez ur comrades inside of vp and allow u guys to get out in a safe way.

we did it in the past, myself rezed several members of ur guilds and draged them to safe spot or to one of your clerics.


i think if the issue if tmo vs FE and im not sure u a officer of FE maybe its time to growth some balls invite zeelot or tmo officers and talk about a way to calm down tmo FE guild relations.

the main issue is old FE claims destroying Tmo wich will not work tmo fall will be hard to achieve by other guild.

Yet FE could take the claim of 2 guild in server and live and compete in a better enviroment without hate monger doctrine btw 2 guilds.


give it a chance, ask both guilds to stop the QQ angry shit and other stuff and just race upon some rules of courtesy .

u dont need a gm or forum quest forever because liekwsie u will not do nada.

stop looking at forum man ur answer are in game .

be honest to yourself swallow ur hate for tmo or tmo memebrs and deciate urself to ur guildmates .

ROFL so you are saying that if for instance Silverwing was the only dragon up in VP that TMO would not bother racing / training FE for it since there weren't 2 dragons up that and it isn't PD?

I highly doubt that bullshit, even considering SW loot probably rots most of the time anyway...

[heals4reals]

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[MaksimMazor]

Bump for no one cares still

[Tasslehofp99]

lol bump since theres another thread going about the same thing